(CNN)Journalist and Intercept co-founder Glenn Greenwald said Saturday he believes both the CIA and FBI as well as Russia interfered in the US presidential election.
CNN’s Michael Smerconish asked Greenwald whether he gave “any credence to the conspiracy theory” that the CIA, along with the Russians, had attempted to manipulate the results of the election, and the journalist replied simply that it “was probably both.” And he asserted the FBI had also played a part.
“I also think the FBI clearly sided with Donald Trump and did a lot of damaging leaks on purpose to hurt Hillary Clinton,” he added, an apparent reference to the bureau’s handling of the investigation into Clinton’s email.
Greenwald went on to sum up the 2016 election as “a proxy war … for unseen forces.”
He said he hoped for a “real investigation” into what happened, “where the evidence is publicly disclosed so that we can stop playing these games with anonymous leaks by people with unseen agendas trying to manipulate public opinion.”
The CNN item here. If you think this is inaccurate, direct your criticisms at CNN.
I think that it is perfectly accurate.
Precisely.
AG
I am distinctly not an admirer of Mr Greenwald. And I wish he had specified the unseen forces, else it looks like he’s just engaged in fact-free speculation.
Oh wait. Fact-free speculation….
You write:
Did you read your own post, JDW?
The first sentence?
“Fact free speculation?”
The “evidence” has been spread out in the headlines for all who still have an independent mind to see for months!!!
Leak after leak after leak. Innuendo and counter-innuendo. Accusation and counter-accusation.
Oh. You want “facts.” You expect to get some pieces of paper that spell out what highly secretive forces…like the CIA, the FBI and Russian intelligence…have been doing? Hell, man…we can’t even find out how much money the CIA takes out of the U.S. budget. No one seems to know for certain how many corporate entities are CIA fronts worldwide.
Does a bear shit in the woods? If you repeatedly find bear shit, you can be damned sure there are bears involved, even if you don’t see them.
WTFU.
AG
There’s a typo in the header. It’s not ‘Russian Electoral Interference’, it’s “Russian fraternal greetings and invitations to explore mutual peaceful relations.”
Common enough typo. I see it made all the time.
Would that be fraternal greetings to Comrade Trumpski?
When do we change our nation’s name to United Soviet States of America? Surely the executive order would be in the works, no?
“He said he hoped for a ‘real investigation’ into what happened, ‘where the evidence is publicly disclosed….'”
And there is the sticking point, of course: public disclosure. How that is supposed to happen if the evidence comes from classified counter-intelligence operations, say, is a mystery.
You write:
You expect that, apparently.
How you can so thoroughly contradict yourself in such a short period of time in such a small post is absolutely beyond me.
Oh, wait. JoelDanWalls.
Nevermind…
AG
You mean Greenwald doesn’t have to specify the unseen forces because he’s The Incorruptible Sage of Rio de Janeiro?
Oh. You don’t yourself specify who the unseen forces are, either, do you? “PermaGov” is your shorthand. That’s not an explanation. You just ridicule anyone who asks for more specificity.
Look, congratulations, AG, you did in fact recognize the evil power of Donald Trump way back when. Credit where credit is due. That doesn’t mean you get to fall back on “PermaGov” as a crutch.
Not sure what contradiction you see in what I wrote, AG. The insistence on openness, on full disclosure of sources as though in a courtroom, has been demanded by the folks who think the allegations of Russian hacking are nonsense.
Sigh…
You quoted CNN/Greenwald specifying the identity of those “unseen forces” in the first sentence of your post!!!
Could he be much clearer?
Could you be much more confused?
Are there any other likely suspects aside from possibly the Chinese, who have not even been publicly mentioned by anybody in regard to this cyberwar in which we are embroiled??
Aliens trying to destabilize the earthling civilizations maybe, so they can take over and mine the planet to within an inch of its life using devolved human labor?
Artificial Intelligence forces trying tho get rid of the pesky humans slo that they can evolve in peace?
I mean…really!!!
Who else, JDW?
Mossad?
The Brits?
Small potatoes in comparison.
And there is always the cui bono idea.
Who profits?
Who else?
I will repeat what I wrote above:
I will also repeat:
Cui bono?
Who profits in the event of a Trump loss, impeachment or if at the very least he is forced into a long lame duck-like, one term stalemate??
The entire centrist establishment with its trillions and trillions of dollars worth of graft.
And…who profits if Trump dominates?
The new gang in town. Same trillions, different thieves.
Figure that out…which is pretty easy to figure given the evidence so far at hand, including the massive, concerted PermaGov-run media attacks on Trump and the repeated anti-Permanent Government leaks over the past year or so (each obviously calculated to help Trump)…and you’ve got a good grasp on the fundamentals regarding just who those “unseen” forces might be.
They remain “unseen”‘on an evidential level because…because that’s their fucking job, fer chrissake, and overall they are very, very good at it.
But their shit is smeared over the whole system for anyone with half a nose to smell.
You don’t smell it?
Too much mental Febreze, it seems to me.
Get out more.
AG
Why would Greenwald call the unseen forces by name and then revert to the unseen forces jargon? He wouldn’t be that dumb. So in fact “unseen forces” remains undefined, as does your PermaGov. But go ahead and keep telling me to WTFU and remarking about mental Febreze and worrying about people giving your diaries insufficiently worshipful ratings.
A dramatic representation of AG Explaining It All To Us:
You don’t see those forces…just like about 95% of the population. Thus they are…generally…”unseen.”
Greenwald sees it.
I see it.
Many others do as well, including a number of people on this site.
And…glacially slowly…so do more and more commentators. It is so plain to see.
After the commentators comes the public.
Watch.
So it goes.
Trump beat the PermaGov fix. The media united in opposition to him, both during the primaries and during the presidential campaign. It was supposed to be Bush III vs. Clinton II. The media failed. Bush III failed. Clinton II failed. Now the whole mass media and almost the entire DemRatPublican UniParty oppose his every move.
Snipe as you must.
The evidence is plain to see.
WTFU.
Trump is no hero, he is just the lucky beneficiary of a devolved fix system.
You don’t see this? Refuse to see it? Cannot see it? Make believe you don’t see it because you are inextricably involved with the devolved center?
Whatever.
Then it is you…and the rest of the centrist dinosaurs…who are headed for the tarpits of history.
Not the working class.
You.
You over already.
You just don’t know it yet.
So that goes as well.
Happy trails to you.
Go watch some Roy Rogers reruns.
AG