Rejecting Purim Spiel, Putin Tells Netanyahu to Stop Dwelling on Bibical Times

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   JoelDanWalls on March 24, 2017 at 11:38 pm

   Admittedly I did not click on every single link, but I didn’t notice anything about the Purim holiday, a rather festive affair that took place recently.

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     Oui on March 25, 2017 at 5:59 pm

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     compare putin with obama …

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   JoelDanWalls on March 24, 2017 at 11:42 pm

   “…front-states of Russia’s sphere of influence from Georgia, Azerbaijan to Ukraine…”

   Trying to divine your implication here: do you accept the idea that the ex-Soviet republics are somehow obliged to accommodate themselves to Russia’s desires?

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   Marie3 on March 25, 2017 at 11:51 am

   House of Commons – The coup attempt, and the `Gülenists’

   A rational, skeptical, and fact/evidence based report.  In the past, when governments had some credibility, such a report would be taken at face value and viewed as accurate.  This report may well be accurate.  

   Unfortunately, once one gets a reputation for distorting and cherry picking evidence to support a position that favors the conclusions/views one wants to promote, how is the public to trust that in subsequent reports that the same hasn’t been done?  Being critical is always essential as in the following excerpt (emphasis in original):

   Given the brutality of the events of 15 July, the severity of the charges made against the Gülenists, and the scale of the purges of perceived Gülenists that has been justified on this basis, there is a relative lack of hard, publicly-available evidence to prove that the Gülenists as an organisation were responsible for the coup attempt in Turkey. While there is evidence to indicate that some individual Gülenists were involved, it is mostly anecdotal or circumstantial, sometimes premised on information from confessions or informants, and is–so far–inconclusive in relation to the organisation as a whole or its leadership. …

   And yet, the evidence for Erdogan’s extraordinary claim is far more than what has been presented for Putin-Russia interference in the US election and which is accepted as fact by UK authorities.  Although recently the claim of Putin-Russia interference in the Brexit votes seems to have been rubbished.

   Can’t overlook that an anti-Erdogan alliance between Gülenists and Kemalists would be welcomed by western powers.  

      

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     esquimaux on March 25, 2017 at 12:41 pm

     >>the evidence for Erdogan’s extraordinary claim is far more than what has been presented for Putin-Russia interference in the US election

     disagree. there’s plenty of “evidence”, though it’s of the same poor quality, “anecdotal or circumstantial”.

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       Marie3 on March 25, 2017 at 1:39 pm

       Erdogan fired and rounded up a lot of suspects and many of those suspects are in fact Gülenists.  Easy for Erdogan to identify because they were once in alliance with him.

       Where are all these alleged “Putin-puppets?”  Also can’t overlook that Erdogan vs. the Gülenists and Kemalists is primarily an internal power struggle.  In the US there is no existing Putin-Russia political faction (except in the fantasies of nuts).

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         esquimaux on March 25, 2017 at 2:59 pm

         huh? are you saying that the fact Erdogan arrested a bunch of his political enemies constitutes evidence they were really up to something? I think that’s a lot to assume.

         the russia faction here doesn’t present itself as political, it’s about business, but it’s silly to pretend there aren’t lots of Trump’s close colleagues with Russian connections.

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           Marie3 on March 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm

           No — only that it’s a lot of crappy circumstantial evidence and even the UK report admits that the coup attempt wasn’t free of Gulenist participants.

           Who is pretending that business connections between associates (“close colleagues is a stretch) of major western politicians and big money related to other governments throughout the world doesn’t exist?  And hasn’t for a very long time.

           Who do you think convinced Wilson to enter WWI?  Bankers that were about to lose their shirts for backing the loser.  A couple of decades later, industrialists and bankers weren’t about to repeat that mistake.  Except they backed a bigger monster.  One that may have prevailed if Russia had switched sides in the second go around.

           I don’t want to throw our lot in with the anti-Russia Ukrainian oligarchs and officials because they want to take out Russia.  Other than the dynamic “let’s have more wars” duo, McCain and Graham, it’s the associates of and Democratic politicians that are allied with those fascists and facilitated a coup.  Nor am I so naive as to pretend that they don’t have allies in Russia.  How the hell do you think we ended up in a multi-trillion dollar hot war in Iraq?