The headline blares “Racism motivated Trump voters more than authoritarianism” but Thomas Wood’s piece at the Washington Post is a bit more nuanced than that. Before we talk about it, though, let’s look at how Wood got his data:
Last week, the widely respected 2016 American National Election Study was released, sending political scientists into a flurry of data modeling and chart making.
The ANES has been conducted since 1948, at first through in-person surveys, and now also online, with about 1,200 nationally representative respondents answering some questions for about 80 minutes. This incredibly rich, publicly funded data source allows us to put elections into historical perspective, examining how much each factor affected the vote in 2016 compared with other recent elections.
The factors he looks at are authoritarianism and racism, but also income level. Income level is self-explanatory, but the former factors require carefully crafted questions. To gauge people’s relative authoritarianism, they asked questions about child-rearing. The more people emphasize following rules and respecting elders over self-reliance and curiosity, the more authoritarian they are. To gauge people’s relative level of racism, they are asked indirect questions that really amount to giving an explanation for why blacks remain lower on the socioeconomic scale. This is called the “symbolic racism scale” or SRS.
The finding here is pretty straightforward:
Moving from the 50th to the 75th percentile in the authoritarian scale made someone about 3 percent more likely to vote for Trump. The same jump on the SRS scale made someone 20 percent more likely to vote for Trump.
This data can be compared to previous elections going back to 1988. What’s surprising isn’t that Trump voters are more racist than Clinton voters, because the same finding is there for people who voted for Romney, McCain, Dole and the two Bushes. In fact, on three of the four questions that test racial attitudes, Trump’s voters were less racist than their Republican predecessors (the fourth question was a tie).
The big difference is among Democrats, or Hillary Clinton voters, who are far less racist in their attitudes than the Democrats who voted in any recent election, including the two for Barack Obama. The implications are bizarre, suggesting that a lot of racially bigoted people were willing to vote for Obama against an opponent who didn’t appeal too directly to their racism, but who flocked to Trump when he made “political incorrectness” central to his pitch. To be explicit here, a lot of racist Democrats voted for Obama and didn’t vote for Clinton, and they did it because of racism.
This suggests that if you want a racist’s vote, you have to make an appeal directly to their racism. Without it, he or she just might vote for the racial minority.
Maybe this data would become a little clearer with questions about gender attitudes, but there would be no historical data for purposes of comparison.
In any case, yes, racism played a bigger role than authoritarianism according to this large survey, but what really stands out is the data about income. Here we have data going back to 1948, and it was always the case that people in the top income quintile vastly preferred the Republican. That changed in 2012, and it changed dramatically in 2016. Rich people preferred Obama in his reelection and they preferred Clinton.
Looking at the lowest income quintile is interesting, too, because prior to 2016 that group had voted at the national average or more strongly for the Democrat is every election except Nixon’s 1960 and 1968 campaigns (but not his landslide 1972 election). They strongly favored Bill Clinton and Barack Obama in all of their elections, but they turned on Hillary.
It looks like Trump resembles Nixon in more ways than one. They both did better among low-income voters than a typical Republican. I guess this is the Silent Majority pitch, and the appeal of the Southern Strategy. Perhaps lower income Protestants were the most likely to abandon the FDR coalition to oppose the Catholic John F. Kennedy, just as lower income Protestants were more likely to abandon the Obama coalition and go for the guy telling them that their racist attitudes were being stifled and marginalized by the political correctness police.
I still think gender attitudes played a role here, but that’s just my conjecture. It’s important to know the complete picture because it’s hard to craft a response without it.
Overall, it confirms my observations about the county patterns of voting. The election was lost because low income/rural white voters who voted for Obama decided to vote for Trump. Ironically, racism played a big role in the flip even though almost everyone expected the opposite to happen (that without a black candidate, the Democrats would do better with the racists).
It just goes to show that you can think you’ve got everything figured out, but you never do.
It doesn’t strike me as particularly strange that they guy who ran an explicitly racist campaign attracted a lot of racists. It was clear even during the primary that Trump’s base was Republican racists. It wasn’t clear the number of Democratic racists that were available for him to capture in the general but it was obvious there would be some. The hope was that there would be more people turned off by his racist appeals (and misogyny and general incompetence) than converted by them but this turned out to not be the case.
It also doesn’t strike me as surprising that racists would vote for Obama without an explicitly racist candidate opposing him either. The right wing frequently derided both rMoney and McCain as RINOs because they weren’t willing to deliver the blood-and-soil red meat.
I guess I’m naive, but it strikes me as exceedingly strange that racists would vote for a black, explicitly anti-racist candidate who is a member of the party they think is in cahoots with the brown hordes over a white racist dog-whistling RINO who is a member of the Overwhelmingly White Party.
I have several racist acquaintances. Like, really racist. Wouldn’t ever hire a black person racist.
All but one are friends with individual black people (“he’s one of the good ones!”). One commented to me that Obama was the only Democrat he’d ever considered voting for.
Obama did not run as an explicitly anti-racist candidate in 2008 or 2012. In 2008 Obama ran as a great uniter who would break away from Clintonian triangulation, and then lead us out of the wilderness of financial ruin and endless war, bridging the partisan gap between the parties. He largely succeeded at that with voters in my opinion. You don’t win 7 point landslides with high turnout without high levels of persuasion.
In 2012 he ran on rescuing the economy, particularly “I saved the auto industry and shot bin laden in the face”, and “look at this rich hustler, you think he’ll help you when he told you to drop dead?”
But: I do not think these were insurmountable hurdles, and I still think Obama wins if he could have run in 2016. Looking at the data from DecisionDesk, I also think Sanders would have won.
Yes, being raised by the Dunhams had an interesting effect on how people perceived Obama. He was precisely 50%-50% black and white. What that did over time was divert some of the hostility to Michelle Obama in some really irrational ways. Advocating eating healthy as opposing white working class eating habits, for example. Health transcends demographics. So does eating stupidly.
Well Romney was the guy who fired them and Obama was very much not. To me that makes sense. Trump was looked down on by the elite, just like them.
Sometimes, the simplest answer is the right answer.
I think the impact of the explicit racism that Trump trumpeted during both the primary and general election campaigns was souped up by his exploiting the resentment of all the changes occurring in the US and the effects of the Great Recession, especially, but not only among the WWC. That, and a bunch of regional issues (coal, manufacturing, social issues) all added up to help Trump.
○ ‘Alt-Right’ White Nationalist Richard Spencer To Speak At Alabama University
Not to confuse Richard with Robert Spencer…
○ Twisted Minds In Republican-Jewish Circles of Anti-Muslim Hate
Long term statistics show 20-some percent of Jewish voters are die-hard Republicans.
Some interesting observations …
○ Misogyny – the patriarchal failure inherent to men
○ Israeli chief Sephardic rabbi, Yitzhak Yosef on racism
The Jewish vote has been about to flip Republican, because of Israel, for most of my adult life.
In the meantime, the Cubs have actually won a World Series, and the Red Sox more than one.
Anybody who’s basing their read on the Jewish vote by chasing Satmarer needs to go have a lie down.
From previous post:
“Far more telling is what happened in the much larger Satmar ḥasidic communities in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn and in the isolated village of Kiryas Joel, NY. Their rebbes formally endorsed Clinton, and some Satmars did vote for her. But in the privacy of the voting booth, most bucked religious authority and chose Trump.”
○ FBI releases documents from 2001 investigation into Bill Clinton pardoning late tax evader Marc Rich | The Independent – Nov. 1, 2016 |
Haven’t seen an improvement, despite some of the best minds in the poli sci community working on it, to “He hates the same people I hate. Hand me the goddamn ballot.”
Tell me, whom did Mitt Romney hate?
Everyone who wasn’t rich.
Hate? More like a combination of fear and indifference.
I’d only add that “…and is hated by the people who hate me.”
That’s the big difference between Romney and Trump imo.
Now there is an interesting additional data point!
Are you in “The Tribe that Rubs Shit in its Hair” (h/t Driftglass) because you hate the same people, or do you have to hate and be hated by the same people?
Do you get honorary membership for being just doing one or the other?
What precisely is the dividing line if there is one?
LA Times story sheds more light on the specifics I think. Trumps immigration positions were what activated the right kind of racism.
I did not expect the opposite to happen and said so.
If so, they’re not liking what they see courtesy of Pew:
H/t:Nick Gourevitch
Combination of GOP running around like headless chickens despite being in power, and there not being a campaign.
I’d expect that number to go up as the Citizens United brigade glasses the landscape with ads in 2018.
It’s a good point, but I think that support is soft at best and an outlier in the nominal. It stands to be a very high probability that the people saying this are the same people that change their minds every time a Republican is in the White House about the past state of events. Steve Benen has a short article that covers the phenomenon.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. The data is fascinating.
Is there any data of how racism correlates with misogynistic attitudes or gender discrimination? Or homophobic discriminatory attitudes?
Are you sure that this effect was concentrated in the rural counties and didn’t depress margins in the precincts in cities where urban ethnic voters (are there still any in cities?) are concentrated? Or white flight suburbs with similar voters? Urban ethnic, especially Catholic, voters were targets for Nixon’s so-called Southern Strategy. Kevin Phillips was very clear after the 1968 election that his strategy was about white working class voters wherever they lived. Subsequently they were stereotyped as Archie Bunker types. Depressing city votes sufficiently can make rural votes more powerful.
Making the sale with David Duke is an interesting twist–sorta “Damn right, I’m a bigot. And a gun owner.” appeal.
Racism is about institutional support of bigotry and policies that disadvantage non-whites. Instead of “racism” in this article, substitute “white supremacy” and see if it makes more sense. Barack Obama went out of his way not to antagonize white supremacists needlessly after one slip in the 2008 campaign brought repercussions for telling the truth. It was a private comment that amounted to Clinton’s “deplorables” public comments. And it was a red flag that the Republicans could wave at white voters to see who unfurled their Confederate flags. Obama was careful never to make that mistake again and, as a result, drew a lot of ire from minorities and progressives. It also emboldened Republicans about what they could do to remove the constraints on open bigotry. Many backbench Congresscritters jumped into this attitude research with their racist emails, blogs, tweets, and comments at home.
The vote was “I don’t want to lose the institutions that protect my acts of discrimination. And I want to strike down the institutions that will hold me accountable for discrimination.” It was a nullification vote of the parts of the 14th amendment that protect ordinary people and not corporations.
It seems more deliberate, rational, and interest-driven in that context, doesn’t it?
This is where all of this analysis falls down for me. Why would race make me vote for a black main, but against a white woman?
It just doesn’t make sense to me.
In your telling the difference was Trump made explicit appeals to racism in a way that Romney didn’t.
So it wasn’t what Clinton didn’t do, it was what Trump did.
Maybe.
But why, then, did we see such huge swings among the young, who in most polling are considerably more tolerant than their elders?
I have yet to read a convincing explanation that accounts for the huge shifts at the lower end of the income scale.
I will say this: a good deal of virtual ink is spent on lower income/rural/white voters.
Virtually ignored are the shifts TO Clinton among the upper income. The Romney to Clinton voters are taken for granted – no one stops to ask how sustainable that swing is.
Because this is the nightmare. The nightmare is that the lower income voters lost in 2016 are not reachable in future elections.
But the upper income voters who went from Romney to Trump can be won back on economic issues by the Republicans.
2016 was unusual: since modern exit polling began there is no precedence for such large swings from the prior cycle in opposite directions.
If a Party is able to hold on to its gains in 2016 and win back half of the voters it lost, it will break the 50-50 split in American Politics.
I am curious about how the economic decile aligns with racism. Dems lost the lowest working class group, gained upper class Republicans and net racism increased…
Trump gained those poorest or they stayed home. Overall, Trump’s voters were least racist set of Republican voters in decades???
I am not really surprised to read the poorest are less racist. Have seen that claim a time or two. But just how bad are upper class Republicans? Is the difference due to that block?
Or are Dems creating PC resentments in their own partisans? Booman conflates racism with PC resentments, but there are a plethora of other -isms in that category.
racism isn’t logical it’s emotional and usually when people respond to something in a racist way (not counting the explicitly racist) they explain it another way, they rationalize it
I think coming at this problem rationally or logically is doomed to fail. We’ll only fix the problem with emotional arguments and frankly Democrats generally struggle with those types of arguments.
I have seen Bernie say for years that the key is properly directing anger. So of course he blames Wall Street et al.
The implication is that directing hate is an indispensable part of politics.
My tribe is better than your tribe.
Sanders is only marginally better at it and he’s definitely unfocused in his targets so it’s not as effective as even his better delivery would allow
I strongly disagree. From my perch it appeared Sanders was strongly focused on a handful of issues (and was criticized for not listing policy doc details ad nauseum, as Hillary did), and those issues overlapped with the ones that brought out voters for Trump. Data I saw had his rallies drawing both young people and disaffected middle and lower middle class whites. That, and traveling to smaller towns and cities, is how he won the Michigan primary. I see nothing wrong with drawing upon anger (women’s suffrage, civil rights, etc.) so long as it doesn’t encourage bad behavior it can be a good and powerful motivator.
When I said unfocused I meant his targets of his emotional arguments. If he’s attacking all sides who are people supposed to vote for, the reason it works for Republicans is that they always know who’s to blame even if their own fault and that’s the Democrats.
Sorry, but I cannot make sense of this comment.
There is are other reasons for what you see that you’re not taking into account. Which you and Booman always forget to take into account.
The first is that there isn’t a static pool of those who vote. There are huge numbers of people who can vote who don’t in every election for the past 20+ years. You have no way of knowing or proving that the differences in votes were not non-voters to voters and/or voters to non-voters in individual groups.
The second is that people just lied to the exit polls about anything or everything. Not even close to being out of the realm of possibility considering how many straight up lied to pollsters in the rest of the pre-election polls.
The third is the really scary one for me. What if the younger kids are actually not less racist like we thought?
On another matter, talking about change in margin of young voters without providing the complimentary information like percentage of turnout and/or percentage of the electorate that young voters represented leaves one with different impressions than what reality may actually be.
Were the numbers for youth turnout down overall so much that the increase in ‘racist’ voting for that group was simply that the parts of that group that are racists simply showed up in greater numbers than the parts that are not racist?
More info than what you present is required to begin to make a rational decision about what happened, let alone how to proceed from said point.
I’ve posted this about 10 times here. I wrote a diary about it.

But one more time.
This is the 18-29 year old vote.
Well that’s a start! And hey, it even appears to have proper labels and units for the most part. Still nothing that identifies the actual people being talked about but I suppose I can take you at your word that this is the data for… wait. You don’t say who it’s for and we were talking about two sets of voters. Is this the data for Youths, Under 30k voters, or something else?
That being said, what in the world is that “Change in Margin from ’12 to ’16” column tracking? Because none of the numbers visible to it’s left add up to be the number presented in the column.
The Iowa numbers appear to be straight up bonkers as presented. 55% in ’12 for Obama minus 42% in ’16 for Hilary is not a 21 point anything change, even with a 3% increase in turnout from ’12 to ’16 among this group.
And there are non-similar discrepancies between your margin numbers and the actually presented numbers. Something is going on behind the scenes. Could you please explain the math behind your numbers?
Ah… bad luck on my part. Loaded the page between your initial post and the clarifying post and then got distracted by other things long enough that by the time I got back and finished my reply you had clarified.
I am sorry fladem for the mix-up.
Maybe try looking shit up for yourself before criticizing the work of others.
Because I haven’t seen you contribute anything of substance except snide remarks.
Still upset about not getting your waffles?
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Maybe you should try posting complete and accurate data in the first place?
I’m not the one trying to convince people with the stuff you are posting. It is incumbent on you to properly source, label, and make transparent the calculations you are doing to the data you present.
I know, and you know, damn well a judge would smack you down hard if you brought this half assed shit into a courtroom. You want to use the data, you have to do and show the work. It’s not anyone’s job to just trust you or believe you up front, nor is it their job to look up information and refute your numbers. You are making the argument, you prove your argument.
When your attempt at making an argument is bogged down by basic things like “What units are these numbers in?”, “There is no key to your table, what does (Fill in the blank) mean you are doing in the background to the data?”, “You use the same Column heading multiple times on different data points with no clear distinction. What is the distinction?”, or “Your table has no title to define what information is being presented. Could you please tell us what data this table is supposed to represent?” you are really not off to a good start, and it’s not a readers fault for wanting basic information about the data you claim is so relevant to your argument.
I don’t believe you should have to go all out and make a full legal brief, but I think any argument or discussion worth having at least deserves to have the presentation of it’s data in a fashion that won’t get you laughed out of court and/or sanctioned for wasting the court’s time.
To that end, I don’t think I’m asking for much to just have the table labeled, with proper units, and an explanation of math done to the data.
You aren’t a judge.
You don’t determine the rules of evidence.
I have posted that many times and you are the first person to not understand it. Just as you didn’t understand the table from Kansas 4 that Booman did (and which you termed bullshit”)
You could try saying “I don’t understand this, can you explain it”
And yet neither are you judge, nor do you determine the rules of evidence.
There are however very common and widely accepted rules for reasoned debate. If you don’t want to use those rules for presenting your argument, then you don’t get their protection either.
And claiming I’m the only person who’s read your ‘data’ and not understood it is something you’re going to have to provide evidence for. Especially since you don’t even know how many people have seen it, let alone seen it and understood it.
Numbers without labels and units are bullshit when anyone tries and passes them off as data. Now and forever.
Booman may have had enough personal experience and personal knowledge of the numbers at hand to understand them, but that doesn’t make unitless mislabeled numbers ‘data’ or useful to other people who don’t have that kind of personal knowledge. We don’t accept that kind of nonsense from conservatives, I’ll be damned if I accept it from our side which claims to be the logic and reason side.
All of that is a long way to say, “Great dodge. Way not to engage on the substance of the critique and try and justify posting numbers without reference and context as facts because I, Beahmont, am a snarky asshole.”
I earlier critiqued a version (or perhaps this same one?) of you throwing a buncha numbers into a poorly constructed, completely inadequately explained/annotated/labeled/captioned/titled table . . .
. . . and then insulting people who had the audacity to not be persuaded by the woefully unpersuasive excuse for so-called “data” in the form you presented them, while constructing no argument for how they supported the claim(s) you were making . . .
. . . for virtually all the same specific flaws Beahmont noted. You’ve since altered nothing in your m.o. (It’s hard to imagine why you think it’s worth your time/effort to post such unpersuasive shit . . . by your own telling, over and over and over and . . . [one would think you’d eventually find a clue from that how unpersuasive it is!])
Standards for presentations of such data exist. You routinely ignore them.
Again, a buncha numbers dumped into an incoherent table do not an argument make. (It might even be that there’s a legitimate, persuasive case to be made from the “data” you excrete here. You never make it! You expect others to do your work for you.)
To then attack validly unpersuaded critics for noting your failure to make your case is obnoxious in the extreme.
To explain what plenty of people have understood:
Iowa
Obama won 55-40 (+15)
Clinton lost 42-48 (-6)
Swing from 2012 to 2016: -21
Effect of state margin: computed by multiplying the change in margin (-21) by the total share of the electorate: (18)
-.21*.18 = .0378
So the shift in margin among the young hurt the state Democratic Margin by 3.8%.
Last two columns
State margin in %. In four states the decline in the youth margin was enough to change the result in the state: Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
% of white vote. There is evidence that states with a lower % of the white vote saw less of a decline among the youth vote overall. This is the overall %, and I do not present the results of a linear regression that finds about half the state variance in decline in millennial support for Democrats is attributable to the racial component of the electorate (the R squares is .52 IIRC).
Make sense?
Have you looked at either the black or Hispanic vote? Did either of those 2 groups have a lower turnout for Clinton compared to Obama? I recall reading that the black vote in Michigan for Hillary was much lower than it was for Obama.
I don’t think they all lied to pollsters, I think the turnout model was wrong.
Sure a few probably lied but I don’t know if there is any way to show if it was significant or not.
It was a very unusual election and not just because of the candidates
Err… Apologies. I thought I had caught that. Was supposed to be talking about possible things that could have happened, and I wrote that too definitively.
I meant to say, but obviously didn’t, that some not insignificant number could and probably did lie to the exit pollsters.
And the pre-election polls had problems with their formulas for turnout and vote distribution, but without some statistically significant lying to the pollsters those formula’s couldn’t have been as wrong as they ended up being considering that parts of the formula are reworked every election based off of data provided to the pollsters by those polled.
The pollsters screwed up, but they did so with ‘help’ from those polled.
Turnout models seemed mostly correct from what I’ve read, because the decreased AA turnout was expected and already baked into the models.
I think this is the most important part.
It was an unusual election, with all sorts of things going on that are unlikely to be duplicated. Misogyny, racism, economic angst, russian interference, FBI interference, 8 years of republican wankerism, etc, etc.
Add to that that people are analyzing an electorate that is ever changing.
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I recall hearing on NPR and reading in the NYT–a few weeks after the election–interviews with folks in communities where Obama won twice but Trump won in 2016. A lot of interviewees said something like “well, things haven’t been going too well here, so I decided to give Trump a chance.” Were they concealing other motives? Or were they providing simple, unvarnished explanations?
I would add to gender as possible reasons for the lower quintile income turning against Hillary the explicit tying of Hillary to Wall Street by both Trump and Sanders and as supported by the wikileaks email releases, and maybe even — as a separate reason — the whole conspiracy theory industry generally.
Lower income quintile turning against Hillary? Contradicted by the evidence.
Ahem:
Obama Romney
Under $30,000 63% 35%
There’s your culprit — the white working class.
I suggest the DNC consider cross-burnings in a few key collar counties in selected rust-belt states.
Should turn those numbers right around.
But you argued they didn’t turn on her at all, not that they did because of racism. You cited polls showing her winning without any context of the significant drop off — a drop off that Lynn attributes to sexism. You know she meant drop off and not that Trump outright won them. You’ve made the same argument on this very blog that sexism was a bigger factor. I’m not sold on it as being the most significant, but with it this close I certainly think it was one of many factors that if taken away tips the scale.
My comment about the lowest income quintile turning on Hillary is taken directly from the lead post and was based on that. It may have been just relative to previous Democratic candidates, but that’s where it came from.
They are not giving deciles. There are more elaborate break downs into 10 categories. That capture the very poorest.
I read that survey. As a psychologist, statistician, and scientist, it is a pile of shit in my opinion. That is because you cannot determine authoritarianism by such moronic questions. I raised 3 children. There were times that I emphasized rules. “Put yer fucking seat belt on.” There are times I did not. And stupid fucking questions which ask one-size-fits-all questions are idiotic. This is a serious problem. People can SAY that they are measuring something, but it often takes careful questions to ACTUALLY measure it. And just cause you SAY you have it has nothing to do with actual results.
And I for one am proud to say that I believe everything you say, without reservation. A-yup!
Good. If you had anything intelligent to say, you might say it. Most people don’t. I guess you are with them.
Honey chile, I’m just givin’ you the respect you’ve earned. Every iota of it.
I suppose as someone who has suffered the lashes of your critic’s whip, I ought to chime in with the other comments here, but actually I had a similar reaction to yours when I read Booman’s post. I’d like to (have time to) read more about the survey methodology, and I’d like to read your criticisms at a more detailed level than hey, I raised three kids, this is BS.
Are you willing to critique the methodology in more detail? Those particular questions were used because independent of the study they correlate with authoritarian beliefs generally. You might get a paper published if your criticism is substantiated by data.
Now we’re talking! It’s incumbent on the critic to explain – with tangible evidence – why their criticism has merit. If the methodology for measuring authoritarianism in this study is fundamentally flawed, in what way is it so? What would have been a better measure? Is the critic willing to run a study using said alternative measure and report their findings regardless of the outcome? Surely a psychologist would have the capability and resources to do so.
I don’t think we need all that. It’s just when you’re criticizing the methodology of a widely respected survey I’d expect something more than “Those questions are dumb! Trust me, I’m an authority.”
If we’re making appeals to credibility:
Widely accepted national survey using widely accepted methods > some racist crank on a blog
So you need to actually make an argument.
An argument would be something like:
Despite the fact that the Feldman scale has shown to identify authoritarian leanings quite successfully in the past under ideal conditions, authors X and Y showed that this correlation was not robust over large populations (link). So relying on Feldman’s questions doesn’t produce a reliable measure of authoritarianism in the NES survey.
That would be a convincing argument. If it was true.
No worries. There are times when I see critiques of methodology made that bring out the wonk in me.
I’m not impressed by appeals to authority. When someone tells me they are a psychologist and that therefore they “know” that something is wrong without providing evidence for their assertion, then I tend to be unimpressed under the best of circumstances. Part of the problem is that so many people who claim that as their profession never bother with research again during the rest of their careers. Others simply get full of themselves and condescend to their “lessers” on blogs. Plus there are psychologists who actually are genuine racist cranks – a few of whom are avid eugenicists (and who are usually on the SPLC’s radar). So yeah, appeals to authority are not going to cut it.
I don’t think it’s really new info at all Booman, but that is because you told us back then that if Trump won it would because of exactly this phenomenon.
If I recall correctly, you told us Trump was running McGovern’s campaign playbook, and that playbook was essentially racism and populism. Which appears to be what all the post election analysis tells us. It wasn’t the populism and it wasn’t the racism but the racism and populism together that won Trump the election.
The only thing I’m worried about is this ‘new’ generation of voters that had never had the chance to have such a potent mix of bullshit thrown at them before is going to become permanently addicted to it.
The current generation of majority voters (18-55 year olds) has never had the opportunity to mainline in your face racism and populism, for the most part, unlike those who McGovern actually ran his campaign for. I’m terribly afraid they will like it so much they won’t go back to just getting one or the other. And there will always be some crazy Republican wanna-be who will give them both.
It’s worth remembering that Trump remains terribly unpopular. Racism is a powerful political force but it can’t bring home the bacon. Populism brings home the bacon but it’s anathema to the Republican party. Racism plus failed populist promises can’t sustain a governing coalition.
That would be the hope.
That would be the hope.
McGovern? I think you mean his opponent.
Oh good grief brain… Now how in the world does it go and transpose McGovern for Wallace? Maybe because they were both George’s and both Presidential Candidates?
Completely different people on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
Mr. McGovern, I apologize for even putting you in the same sentence as Mr. Wallace, let alone that big of a mix up.
… Le Sigh.
stating clearly, unequivocally, without hedging what [psst! attention:] these data confirm:
Without the gender/misogynist element isolated this is not determinative. Most people in my experience who are racist are also misogynist. Admittedly a small sample, anecdotal at best.
However, at the very beginning of the campaign I said it was an open question as to whether America would vote for a black MAN before they would vote for a woman.
Except for Comey screwing up the election the answer is that it’s a pretty damn close call.
Obama was a man, Bush II was a total f-up, and I think white folks put Obama in the Tiger Woods ‘race/talent’ category. The fact that his maternal grandparents were white with his grandfather a WWII veteran took the edge off the race issue.
Hillary was the equivalent of an ‘uppity’ woman making tens of millions of dollars that were ‘tainted’ by the fact that she was a woman.
I think the misogyny against Clinton for the last 24 years is still the primary reason she lost.
Misogyny is plausible. Glad you mentioned it. I would have loved if the researchers involved with this data set had included that as a variable. It would not have taken much effort to build a regression model with their measures of SES, symbolic racism, and authoritarianism, and then added misogyny as well. We could get estimates then if misogyny added a significant proportion of variance explained by the predictors (hence either confirming or ruling out that variable as a significant predictor). One problem – and you already point to this – is that several of these variables are highly correlated with each other. I am aware that racial resentment and authoritarianism appear to be correlated with each other to a significant extent, and I would imagine the same goes for misogyny. There are tests that would need to be run to make sure that these variables aren’t so highly correlated to one another as to make teasing apart their influence nearly impossible. And there are some reasonable criticisms over how authoritarianism was measured – that turns out to be a very prickly topic as there are multiple theories of authoritarianism still floating around, and multiple measures, with very little agreement on what is considered correct. Sorry to get wonky. But when I see a study based on a data set that is practically screaming for at least a basic regression model, I can’t really help myself.
With or without misogyny, Clinton needed to do just a little of what she “forgot” to do.
The following video circulated social media before the election, silently to geeks like us. It destroyed just enough of female solidarity for Clinton.
The Clintons might be no less world class con artists than Trump – with a different audience. What makes them exempt from this characterization of Malcolm X?
Hillary was not believable enough to carry women and black votes by expected margins.
I think you have nailed it. Southerners, rural people, Evangelicals and others are likely both racist and sexist, so what looks like the result of racism has at least synergy with sexism.
The expansion of the gender gap in this election points to lots of misogyny, as do all the people who say HRC is less trustworthy or honest or truthful than DJT.
Bottom line, correlation is not necessarily causation.
Many who claim to be psychologists never bother to conduct any research again once they have completed their PhDs or PsyDs. This is especially true among clinical and counseling psychologists if I recall, but would also be true of those whose careers are primarily educational (heavy teaching loads are not conducive to remaining current as researchers and data analysts).
Beyond that the rest of my point is fine. Appeals to authority can be dismissed. I’ll add that appeals to personal experience are ones that can be easily dismissed as well.