There’s a lot in D.R. Tucker’s weekend column on the special election in Georgia’s 6th congressional district that I don’t agree with, but there’s one thing that I think he is definitely right about. If Karen Handel loses a seat that once belonged to Tom Price and Newt Gingrich, it will make some incumbent Republicans worry again about losing their seats to a Democrat.
Too many of them feel immune to that threat and spend all their time worrying about avoiding or defeating a primary challenger from their own party. One reason that would be important is that it would create a rump of Republicans in the House who think creating separation from Trump might be in their self-interest. That’s certainly a prerequisite for any future impeachment hearings if they’re going to have the potential to result in Trump’s removal from office.
Yet, for this purpose, I don’t actually think it should matter whether the Democrat in the 6th, Jon Ossoff, wins by a thousand votes or loses by a thousand votes. The overall message to other Republicans should be the same either way, and that’s that they can lose in the era of Trump if their constituents are well-educated enough.
No doubt, though, the message will be louder and resonate longer and more powerfully if Ossoff captures the seat. Tucker is correct that an Ossoff victory will make it somewhat more likely that Trump will be held accountable. I just don’t want to overstate the stakes here or the real, practical impact the result is likely to have.
More important is something I mentioned in a post last week and that Mike Allen decided to observe today:
Beyond his base voters, Trump has an even bigger potential problem looming with his base in Congress. While Republican lawmakers won’t say it publicly, it’s widely known if they could pick between President Pence and President Trump, the Vice President would win 90% of the vote among the GOP.
Bill Clinton benefited from a large number of true fans and believers among elected Democrats when he survived impeachment. Trump has few authentic fans or loyalists in Congress. So if things take a turn for the worse, GOP flight could come fast and furious — since the end result would be President Pence.
It’s hard to find any Republican willing to admit as much on the record, but almost all elected Republicans would vastly prefer to work with Mike Pence than Donald Trump. That obstacle to impeachment is already met, and what’s holding them back is worry about what their base voters will think. Republican lawmakers don’t just need support among their base to win primaries, they also need them to turn out in general elections, especially in districts like Georgia’s 6th. So, even if they do begin to worry more about losing to a Democrat, they still have to stay in the good graces of the Trump supporters in their communities. There is no easy way out for them, and turning strongly against Trump will be perilous so long as Trump retains strong support among the folks who voted for him.
One person who agrees with Tucker about the critical importance of the result in the special election is Stuart Rothenberg who writes: “Democratic strategists may hate the idea that they must win the June 20 special election in Georgia’s 6th District, but that doesn’t make it any less true.” I am not particularly convinced by his argument, either, as it relies heavily on nebulous concepts like “momentum,” “energy” and “signs of progress.”
Rothenberg readily acknowledges that a Democratic defeat would have little or short-lived impact on fund-raising or candidate recruitment. Instead, he puts heavy emphasis on “narrative” and the need for Democrats to stop the circular firing squad. Personally, I almost completely discount both of those ideas.
As to the narrative, I can safely say it’s bullshit to build a narrative around the idea the Democrats are either doomed or on the path to victory based on a result that is going to be pretty close to 50-50. A narrow loss or a narrow win should have exactly the same lesson, which is that historically Republican districts in affluent well-educated suburbs are now competitive battlefields. I don’t dispute that a narrative will be created around the result and that it will have some influence, but I discount how much influence it will have. For one thing, a falsely positive narrative is as likely to screw over the Democrats as it is to give them a big edge in energy and unity. If you doubt this, ask Hillary Clinton.
I also refuse to concede that a victory will end the finger-pointing among Democrats. As soon as Ossoff is done giving his victory speech, the swords will come out to take credit for his victory. Some progressives will point to all the money they raised for him. More establishment Democrats will point out how he played to his district by rejecting single-payer health care, promising not to raise taxes on the rich, and keeping his distance from Nancy Pelosi.
Outside Atlanta on Friday, Jon Ossoff offered a decidedly un-Sanders-like vision of the future in Georgia’s Sixth Congressional District, a conservative-leaning patchwork of office plazas and upscale malls, where voters attended his campaign events wearing golf shirts and designer eyewear.
In a special election that has become the most expensive House race in history, Mr. Ossoff, a 30-year-old former congressional aide, presented himself as essentially anti-ideological. Greeting suburban parents near a playground and giving a pep talk to volunteers, he stressed broadly popular policies like fighting air and water pollution and preserving insurance coverage for people with pre-existing conditions.
Bucking the left, Mr. Ossoff said in an interview that he would not support raising income taxes, even for the wealthy, and opposed “any move” toward a single-payer health care system. Attacked by Republicans for his ties to national liberals, Mr. Ossoff said he had not yet given “an ounce of thought” to whether he would vote for Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, in a future ballot for speaker.
Any time the Sanders wing suggests that Ossoff’s victory demonstrates that they’ve found the secret to winning in red areas the response will come that, back in April when it might have mattered, Sanders wouldn’t vouch for Ossoff’s progressive credentials.
If Ossoff wins, you can be sure that his non-progressive stances will be ignored by the left. If he loses, those unorthodoxies will be blamed.
The way I’d sum this up is to say that the fact that the election is competitive is what really matters. The actual outcome won’t give us much more information about the prospects for other Democrats to win in similar districts in 2018. Should Ossoff win, he will immediately become one of the most vulnerable members of a 435-person legislative body where he has no seniority and serves in the minority. His immediate ability to accomplish anything will be approximately nil. A far more important and consequential election is happening in Virginia’s gubernatorial races where Tom Perriello is trying to defeat Ralph Northam and become the Democrats’ standard bearer. You can read my interview with Perriello here.
Should Perriello win the nomination and go on to win the governorship, he’ll have almost infinitely more power than Ossoff. Moreover, he will take his anti-monopoly concepts and put them into practice. During the campaign, you’ll see two different versions of the future of the Democratic Party. While Perriello is working on issues related to consolidation, automation, utilities regulation, and antitrust enforcement, up in New Jersey a former Goldman Sachs executive will be looking to move into Drumthwacket. I don’t know what kind of campaign Phil Murphy will run, but I can assure you it will be quite different from Perriello’s.
No matter how the upcoming elections go, the governor’s races will be far more consequential than any House race in shaping the future of the Democratic Party and the country. It’d be nice to win Georgia’s 6th and it would probably do a lot more good than harm. But the party already did better in well-educated suburbs last November and it didn’t prevent a catastrophic loss from the top to the bottom of the ticket. The health and future prospects for the left lie elsewhere, and if the Democrats take a win for Ossoff as evidence to the contrary it could be a pyrrhic victory.
More establishment Democrats will point out how he played to his district by rejecting single-payer health care, promising not to raise taxes on the rich, and keeping his distance from Nancy Pelosi.
I’m curious how Medicare for All polls in GA-06. Also, keeping his distance from Pelosi? I see he’s going the Alison Grimes route. While that might work in a race where we have no idea what turn out will be, it’s not something that will work in the long term. Besides, the GOP will label him the illegitimate child of Pelosi no matter what he does. I suppose everyone here knows that Labour won one of the richest constituencies(the British equivalent of Congressional districts) last week. Which means one of the richest districts voted knowing it could make Corbyn PM. Which he’ll most likely be in a few months at the latest.
your mentality fascinates me.
you preemptively argue that the rejection of socialized medicine is a miscalculation. Presumably, if he wins, he could have won bigger.
Also, everyone is wrong on both sides of the contest in thinking that Pelosi is a liability for Ossoff. Because you know better.
I give you credit for making those arguments before you know the result. Most people will simply drop them as inconvenient if he wins.
No. I’m saying it’s pointless for a Democrat to dilly-dally on the question of voting for Pelosi as Speaker, if the Democrats regain the majority next year. The GOP will portray him as the spawn of Pelosi so why look like a weasel? And plenty of people won’t drop it. At the very least they’ll keep a weary eye on him.
I am not convinced that below the Senator/Gov level ideology matters much unless it is an at large district.
I think an Ossoff win would be very beneficial, if only to lift some out of their sense of despair and prove that Democrats can “win again” before 2018. Small donors seem to have invested heavily in this race and eventually they will need some sort of payoff (by which I mean something better than “this district usually goes to Republicans by 20% but this time we only lost by 5%”) to remain engaged.
How significant is that, really? And how productive?
Is Trump going to stop antagonizing and motivating small donors? Is Paul Ryan? Is Mitch McConnell?
And why all this money directed to this purpose when it could have been used much more intelligently if spread around?
I would say because people get tired of losing. Close or not so close, eventually it wears on them, and they start to wonder why they should bother to try. It’s a lot easier and cheaper to sit things out if the outcome never seems to change. And then of course the outcome is more or less foreordained.
Now of course I don’t know if that is the case here. We’re in strange times. But I would argue that we need to see more R+5, R+10 districts actually flip if you want to see the GOP get scared enough to do something about Trump, as opposed to just making concerned noises.
/and hello there, been reading for a while, first time commenter etc etc.
Welcome to the Frog Pond.
Agreed.
Winning the election does a few things.
Some of the pushback against putting hope/effort/money into Ossof’s district is based on pet issues/theories of how to “win back” people who are probably lost forever. Whether it’s being pure NeoProgressive on every single issue, or working on behalf of one or another particular issues that seem as if they can recapture white males who think Trump is doing a bang-up job.
If it helps scare a Senator or two about to vote on HCR it might be very important.
We do need a win.
The 1/3 of Republican voters who are the Christian Right are their most loyal voters who always turn out. Most of those people would much prefer Mike Pence, so things are more complex than the risk of P.O.ing Trump’s base voters.
Of course, this does leave the problem that precisely because Trump’s base voters are not the type to turn out reliably, angering them leaves the GOP with a turnout problem.
I just note looks like the senate is getting ready to kill medicaid and Obamacare.
That’s because they are Russian agents, of course. Nuke the bastards!
A one from marduk is a four from anyone else.
Something went profoundly wrong during his cadre formation, that’s for sure.
No doubt. And don’t forget, if we had elected Killery, we’d already be in a shooting war with Russia.
I forget, was the plan to have all her enemies killed before or after the nuclear exchange with Russia?
Asking for a friend.
How does a state governor with a GOP legislature pursue anti-trust and anti-competitive agenda beyond symbolism?
‘…anti-anti-competitive’. One prefix light.
Benchmarks:
Clinton-Trump: -1.5
Current Congressional Ballot: Dems +6.5
Range of generic ballot: +4 to +11, though you can argue the polls are stale.
Prediction: 2016 margin + Generic ballot
-1.5 + 6.5 = Ossoff +5
Current RCP average: Ossoff +4.8
It’s good news: the Dems are holding onto the gains in upscale areas they made in 2016.
This method was within 2 points of the margin in Montana when using the prior house margin (Clinton under performed badly in Montana)
Shouldn’t that be Clinton-Trump plus the change in the Generic Congressional Ballot? Which, admittedly, was almost 0% in November ’16, but I’m thinking about mechanics.
When I ran the calculation for Montana I did use the change, which would be 1.1(GOP was +1.1) + 6.5 or 7.6.
You are right.
One paragraph reminding us that any given special election isn’t that consequential would have been enough.
Then, I got to your conclusion where you yet again invoked your hobbyhorse about winning back rural white working class voters by fighting market concentration.
I get it. You’re worried that an Ossof victory could provide grist for those who want to reprise HRC’s strategy of targeting moderate Republicans and thereby sideline your preferred strategy.
Whatever.
Personally, winning GA-6 would do wonders for my morale. I am sure I’m not alone.
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Clinton hoped that Trump’s seemingly obvious awfulness would allow her to realign the electorate and win a larger victory than Obama had, and she pursued a strategy to accomplish this. It would have worked if Trump had merely held steady in more rural and exurban red areas. But it turned out that he gained there much more than he lost in more affluent and educated red areas.
So, now the Democrats are uniting around a strategy of going hardest after the low hanging fruit produced by a catastrophic realignment.
If you don’t see the peril in this, then you won’t like my analysis.
You’re absolutely right that the latest move en bloc by whites (in rural areas this time) to the Republicans is a major problem. It happened before in the 60/70s after the civil rights movement, again with Reagan, and now again with Trump. (I’m simplifying history a bit, as you know.)
Problem is, getting people back after they disaffiliate like this is very hard. I’d argue it’s almost impossible. The psychic cost of re-converting is too high.
Meanwhile, a growing number of educated moderates are horrified by what their Republican party has become. Some already took the plunge and voted HRC. Others weren’t quite ready to do that or hated HRC too much. But they are close to moving. They are a better bet.
They are a better bet, but they don’t live where we need them to live.
Also, at a certain point, you aren’t even trying to represent working class folks anymore unless they’re living in areas you already control. And, in that case, you aren’t a left-wing party anymore, at least on economics.
So you’d argue the way out of the wilderness is pitching ideas for resuscitating small town economies AND, I assume, supporting ideas about civil rights and fairness to attract those suburban swing voters. Have I framed that right? If so, then FAIRNESS is the unifying theme. Economic fairness, social fairness. Cuz we cannot win people whose first thought about Trump was, “He hates the same people I hate,” and who will cut off their own noses to spite their faces if they get to fuck up some “undeserving” schmuck in the process.
A Democratic Party without working class voters but with suburbanites would be…Eisenhower Republicans. And the GOP would firmly gel as a neofascist grouping.
Look, one of the things I go to great lengths to demonstrate in my piece is that some of these rural working class overwhelmingly white counties gave Obama 50% of the vote eight years ago. This isn’t ancient history. It’s not like we passed something like the Civil Rights Act that would cause irreparable harm to us such that we can never gain back any of our recently lost support.
Progressives just keep hitting the same drum over and over. These Obama voters are so racist they’ll never vote for a Democrat. They like Trump only because he hates liberals and minorities. They don’t listen. They’re wrapped in an impenetrable media bubble. On and on and on.
If you believe that, fine, but it’s not as true as people think and it’s political suicide to proceed on those assumptions.
Actually I think you’ve got it right. An example of the sort of place you’re talking about is the county that includes Youngstown, Ohio. Voted twice for Obama then flipped to Trump. You already know that. (I just think of Youngstown because of Springsteen’s song about the place.) I’m just thinking out loud about what core values can re-engage both those folks who flipped to Trump and the suburbanites who have been moving towards the Democrats, and it seems to me that the fairness theme ought to be prominent.
In statewide and presidential elections, a vote in a state counts as one vote, wherever the person lives.
In rural areas, you can only have a prayer of winning if you give in on the issues these people care about, i.e., the cultural ones. That might possibly work for local races but the Dems can’t field a platform like that on a national level.
In addition, you fell into the trap many white progressives do: you forgot that there are many working class nonwhites. Dems represent them.
Aren’t those working class nonwhites heavily concentrated in urban areas that are already strongly inclined to vote Democratic?