Not infrequently, I find myself in disagreement with Lawrence O’Donnell. Sometimes I enjoy watching his show, but sometimes he rubs me the wrong way and I turn his program off. One thing I’ve always been willing to grant him, though, is a certain basic level of expertise about how Congress works owing to the fact that he actually worked as a high-level Senate staffer. But what I witnessed last night was shocking. The information he provided his viewers was tremendously misinformed and unsophisticated.
Let me just spell some basic things out that should be familiar to you since I’ve been writing about them incessantly for months, and in some cases since before the inauguration.
First, the president was sold on a dual-reconciliation strategy by Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan that he was told would enable him to repeal Obamacare quickly and then pivot to tax reform. The strategy would take advantage of the fact that Congress did not pass a budget last year to pass two budgets this year. Health care would be attached to the first budget and tax reform to the second. Using this trick, both could be passed without fear of a Senate filibuster and therefore, supposedly, without having to make any concessions to the Democrats.
This strategy did not work. It never really had a chance of working. I said from the beginning that it was doomed and I was right.
The consequences of Trump adopting this plan have been catastrophic. He hasn’t signed a single significant piece of legislation. He hasn’t been able to keep most of his key promises. His relationships with both the Republicans (for failing him) and the Democrats (for his scorning and disrespecting them) are in ruins.
So, that’s the starting point for understanding yesterday’s meeting between Schumer, Pelosi, McConnell, Ryan, and the White House team.
To make things worse, though, Ryan and McConnell came to the meeting with no plan and no prospects for accomplishing a long list of must-pass legislation through Congress in the twelve legislative days available to them in September. They could ask the president to do certain things, but the only people in the meeting yesterday who could actually deliver something for Trump were the Democrats. That’s point two.
Now, of course, everyone there had their ideological dispositions and items on their wish lists. But there were three things they all agreed on that had no real ideological component.
1. they urgently needed to raise the debt ceiling.
2. they urgently needed to pass a disaster relief bill for Hurricane Harvey.
3. they would strongly prefer to avoid a government shutdown.
For Ryan and McConnell, they knew they needed Democratic votes for the debt ceiling and that Boehner had been pushed out of power for going to the Democrats too many times to lift it. The more Republicans they could get, the better, and if they could get most of them that would be best of all. That’s why they wanted to attach the disaster relief to the debt ceiling. What they really wanted, however, was some cover so they could say the deal they came up with was Trump’s idea, not theirs.
For Pelosi and Schumer, they needed a visible victory. They couldn’t trade their votes for nothing. They were under pressure to get impossible concessions on the DREAM Act and other items, but what they really wanted was a clean disaster relief bill, a clean debt ceiling bill, and a clean continuing resolution that would continue Obama’s budget spending for the entirety of Trump’s first year in office. They didn’t want to fund Trump’s wall or agree to more defense spending or to some plan to offset the increased borrowing they were going to help authorize.
For the White House, what they wanted was to get all three items off their plate. Trump needed the disaster relief bill immediately because FEMA is running out of money. He can’t afford a recession caused by a credit default. And he knew through hard experience that he couldn’t rely on Ryan and McConnell to deliver on those things or to strike a deal within their caucus to keep the government operating. Moreover, all of those items were crowding out the legislative calendar for what he really wanted to work on which is the tax cuts.
It should shock no one that they went into this non-ideological meeting with certain obvious and defined needs and came out of it with almost all of those needs met.
It’s true that Ryan and McConnell did not want a three-month deal. They really did get screwed on that aspect of the deal. If they had their way, the deal would have done away with the debt ceiling forever because it will be a constant threat to their continued careers as leaders of their party. But what they got out of the meeting was the Democratic votes they will need for the debt ceiling and the continuing resolution, and a story line that they were cut off at the knees by the president who sold them out. It’s exactly what they needed.
Schumer and Pelosi look like genius negotiators. And, it’s true, they did very well. But they actually got no more than they were due. In return for their support, they made no concessions and got pretty much nothing else in return. Their one bonus was the short 90-day duration of the deal, because that will allow them to torment the Republicans all over again in December. But they also did the Republicans a big favor by getting them out of a huge jam and giving them back a bunch of legislative days that they can now use to create mischief. In any case, they had needs when they want into the meeting, and those needs were met.
Trump had to pivot to the Democrats at this point not because he’s some brilliant strategist but because, as I have been explaining over and over again, the plan Ryan and McConnell sold him did not work. And he ran out of time and had no other choice remaining to him but to go to the Democrats and beg them for help on the debt ceiling and avoiding a government shutdown. He made sure to spend a few weeks prior to this pivot feeding red meat to his base which helped him disguise his capitulation. Even DACA was a head fake, where he made asking for the DREAM Act seem like he was about to deport the Dreamers. But that’s part of the same pivot. He felt he had to make a decision on DACA and he didn’t want to admit that he wasn’t willing to expel them. In any case, Trump went into this meeting needing the Democrats’ support and with the Republican leaders needing some cover for the deal they were all about to agree to. He got the support and provided the cover.
And I know that it’s true that there is a whole theater surrounding the basic structure and incentives of this meeting. You had Paul Ryan out there before the meeting talking about what a terrible deal Schumer and Pelosi were offering. And you have accounts from inside the meeting that suggest that Trump got bored and was just a bad negotiator and he cut off his Treasury Secretary and his daughter interrupted, etc.
Don’t pay attention to that stuff. That’s all a distraction. Some of it might be part of the sales job. Some of it might be just some granular detail that doesn’t ultimately matter.
What happened was predictable enough that I actually predicted much of it, and some of it in broad outlines months and months ago. Some of it I predicted just the night before last. The Republicans and the White House put off dealing with the Democrats for as long as they could, but I always said that September would bring disaster if they didn’t come to Jesus.
However I put it (“playtime is over” or “the grim waiter has brought the bill”), the ultimate point was that the Republicans cannot do virtually anything without Democratic votes, and that a point in time would arrive when they could no longer avoid facing up to that fact.
If you watched Lawrence O’Donnell last night, however, you would have a completely different impression of what happened yesterday. In his version, the only significant thing that happened is that Trump took the first shitty deal that Schumer offered and knifed Ryan and McConnell without much caring or even necessarily knowing what he was doing. Trump’s a terrible negotiator and some kind of simpleton. McConnell and Ryan got nothing and were completely blindsided. And Schumer is a conquering hero who somehow fleeced them all.
I’m sorry, but that is a ridiculously distorted view of what occurred in the White House yesterday. What really happened is that they all went into the meeting with some very pressing and almost desperate needs and they came out of the meeting with those needs almost perfectly met.
If Ryan and McConnell got the worst of the deal, that’s partly because they had the least to offer and partly because Trump no longer trusts them to deliver, and for good reason. But they wanted to come out of the meeting as the aggrieved party. They needed that.
They had no right to expect more.
So the Republicans were willing to kill the debt ceiling and the Dems said no because they want to torture them with it again? That’s irresponsible. There is a strong streak of irrationality in the Repub party these days, and you have to approach them accordingly. If Trump is pissed at the wrong person on the key day, he could veto a debt ceiling bill. We’ve been saying all along that the debt ceiling is not a game, and we’ve just treated it as one.
They were asking for eighteen months, I believe. That would have angered the deficit scolds bad enough. In their hearts, though, they never want to oversee another debt ceiling vote again.
The Dems said, basically, no dice.
You want a free ride on this without giving us shit in return? Then we want another bite at the apple in December.
They might have split the difference, but probably not without some concession they didn’t want to make.
Personally, I can’t see it as anything but another example of the Democrats being responsible and saving the fucking day.
But you want them to do better, I guess.
I don’t believe that a debt limit elimination bill can get through to Trump currently. However, if the Democrats would just keep going on this 3 more months thing for the next say 15 months, the Republicans might cry uncle on it, permanently.
That would be a huge win for the adults.
I think that is overconfident that the Repubs will keep folding. I’m particularly worried about Trump here, because things are getting very ugly for him, and he’s making enemies everywhere. He’s half crazy anyway, and he’s going under pressure that could break a sane man.
On the debt ceiling, I want the Dems to play it safe, and that means giving them more time, or, even better, offering to eliminate the ceiling. On shutdown, on a lot of other things, I’m all for political hardball, but Trump is unstable and so are a lot in the House.
It did read as if you were saying an option to kill the debt ceiling once-and-for-all was on the table, and the Dems refused to go along (so they could keep torturing the GOPers with it).
If instead the choice was just between a 3-month vs. an 18-month extension, then I think you’re right that the Dems came out of it as successful as anyone could have hoped (and more so than many of us might have feared/expected).
I knew about the 18 months but I read you as saying there was an offer to do away with it forever. That should have been taken but if it was just until the midterms its fine. I was a bit surpised they went with 3 months without more drama but thats it. Otherwise what you said matches what I thought perfectly.
You are seriously the best in the business at this type of thing. Thanks, Martin. Always reading here.
Agreed!
America is perennially caught up in the delusions of myths, metaphors, and sports analogies to “explain” public policy.
It’s nice to come here and have an adult blow the smoke off the thing and explain what’s really happening.
Another supposed inevitable disaster averted.
Get used to it.
I have never believed the doomsday scenarios – in the end they are in no ones interest.
It is in the Freedumb Caucus’s interest. They and their fans seem to find doomsday irresistable. Fortunately they’re outnumbered.
I follow your line of argument about almost all of this, Booman, but your claim that the DACA revocation was a head fake is hard to see: I mean, what Sessions had to say was pretty damn harsh. Are you saying that Trump played Sessions? Or that Sessions was knowingly part of the head fake??
Sessions was sandbagged.
Parsimony. I’ll go with Josh Marshall’s simple explanation that Trump sees everything as a personal win or loss. Right now he blames Congress for his bad press and low polling numbers. Not helped by McCain saying “you’re not the boss of us,” meaning Congress. It was revenge against Ryan and McConnell and McCain, all the sweeter given Ryan’s strong comments the day before.
Yeah, I don’t think Trump urgently needs to raise the debt ceiling or pass a disaster relief bill. His needs are psychological.
Interesting similar take: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/09/ok-i-guess-ryan-and-mcconnell-really-did-get-taken-to-
the-cleaners/
Drum should read Boo!
The media are collaborators institutionally. The personalities (for that is how they are now marketed) are on tighter leashes since cable acquired much of what was network television and since narrowcasting fragmented the media market into niche audiences seeking to confirm what they already know.
The former print newspaper giants have a similar problem of finding paying advertisers. Their strategy is to focus on a simulacrum of a political spectrum.
Both are seeking audience response and boring fact get in the way of that.
Correct the record; that’s what you do best. But cut the highly-paid and highly-constrained personalities some slack. Maddow, O’Donnell, Hayes, and colleagues are doing their best at the ends of their leashes. Notice what that restraint circumscribes as topics. That tells you where the dark areas of the domestic political information war are. And where Republican (and sadly, Democratic) operatives are pushing back hard.
Saving face for some people is on the agenda of the media in order to preserve access to those people at all. It is obvious that John McCain is one of those people; the maverick isn’t but the media story remains. The same for the way that McConnell and Ryan are handled.
. . . this take is 100% correct. Nor do I have any basis to say any particular is NOT 100% correct.
What I can say is that I would not expect to find a better-informed, more-likely-correct-overall analysis that I would have greater confidence in anywhere.
And the choice between trusting your take or O’Donnell’s where they diverge? No-brainer.
Trump just took the first step towards getting re-elected yesterday (BOO!). He abandoned the Republican Party. I’m not saying he will continue on this path, but, as you saw today, he has plenty of options. He can do exactly what he did do today, and just ignore the Congressional GOP. He certainly took the first step.
In fact, his optimal strategy would be to completely KNIFE the GOP Majority and help Democrats take over Congress. Then he could probably be re-elected as “a uniter not a divider” after working with Democrats as Reagan did.
Does that sound absurd? It’s not.
1. His base is loyal to him personally. Not to any “conservative” ideology like budget or tax cuts, or “small government.” They love HIM and hate Ryan and McConnell.
If he tells them that the GOP betrayed them, and that the Democrats are willing to work with him to “get things done” then who will they believe? Trump? Or the party leaders they hate? He can do what he likes and still keep the loyalty of the GOP base, even if he shot someone in front of the White House.
2. Reagan worked with Democrats to get a tax bill. Would Trump do the same thing?
I’m not saying it would work, since Trump & Dems want different things, but it is possible now, and before it wasn’t. It’s becoming clear the the GOP is so badly split that they can’t get anything accomplished with their majority.
Remember that Trump knows nothing and cares nothing about policy really. He also doesn’t care about the GOP. At all. ZERO loyalty.
He loves seeing his name attached to favourable press, and he loves his fans adulation. That’s it. He has his racist beliefs of course. But, if he can get praise and adulation by knifing his own party and destroying them then he’ll do it without hesitation.
3. He needs, craves “wins” and this is a “big win” for him. It generated the first really favourable press for him in months. He finally got something accomplished.
It wasn’t much, but it ended the pressure that was on him to “do something” and laid the groundwork for him to do other deals.
No bill can reach the floor without Ryan or McConnell, can it? Because they control the House and Senate. So even if he wants to ‘knife’ them, they’ve gotta be in on it.
Good point.
And right now RyanConnell hate the right wing fuckers. McConnell was humiliated on Obamacare. They both want to shut these guys up so they can focus on socializing costs and privatizing profits. Enough of the dems are willing to do this on some level. Hell even the tech donors who want to raise taxes on themselves hate unions and rules.
I posted something similar a few months ago. I think this is a possibility for all the reasons you listed.
How are we privy to what Ryan and McConnell wanted. They need not be totally rational actors. Alternatively, their rationality might have considered some political factors they can play on that those outside their staffs have not sussed out yet.
I would allow for some uncertainty here. It is possible, they know how to play a losing hand. It is also possible that their understanding is dead wrong, and yours is correct.
And then there is the record of the leadership of the Democratic caucus over a decade of similar leadership. I hope that some serious learning has occurred, and prevailing on this after blocking Trumpcare would continue the trend. But these folks are not yet out of the doghouse for collaborating in the institutional changes that have weakened their power.
Ryan & McConnell need to blame Trump for “knifing them in the back” so the Freedumb Caucus won’t vote them out of their leadership positions like they did Boehner for working with Dems. Trump gave them political cover to work with Dems so that the fatal split in the GOP (between the partially sane and completely mad arsonist caucus) would not be exposed in a matter where they MUST pass a bill, can’t avoid it, and will take big flack no matter what they do.
Trump doesn’t care because the base loves him and hates Ryan and McConnell as “sell outs.” The more they criticize him the better his standing with the base. In fact, the more he’s criticized the better for him with his voters.
Funny you said that. I thought LOD was a little whacky last night and I actually did turn him off. He gets this way more often than I like and tends to take things to extremes.
This is getting into sophistry: if someone insists on pursuing a bad plan, because they’re too stupid or ignorant to understand that it won’t work, and then, as they approach the point of inevitable disaster (which others saw coming even if they didn’t) and are therefore “forced” to give in, finally, to persuasion — and are secretly relieved because they avoided the disaster without an embarrassing public reversal…are they “clever” for having slipstreamed through in this way? Or are they just an idiot? Did they get “played” or was it all inevitable? Were the persuaders — the sensible people whom they finally listened to — “brilliant” for manipulating them or was everyone just giving in to the inevitable result?
I could come up with some metaphor (car approaching a cliff etc.) but it’s not necessary.
I think BooMan might be a little too caught up in being right (and Laurence O’Donnell being wrong) about the tonalities than in contributing to an accurate consensus interpretation.
I mean, Ryan and McConnell — Ryan especially — are known for their magical thinking, not just in terms of effective policy but in terms of dealing with Trump, and the Democrats may be doing what’s logical and inevitable, but in the Bush years they couldn’t be counted on to come close to doing that.
These results had to be reached; BooMan has been stone-cold right about that from the beginning (as he keeps reminding us — a prophet is without honor etc.) But Ryan and McConnell tilting at reconciliation windmills and Trump being totally ignorant, incoherent and inconsistent — and lashing out at Congress, as Josh Marshall puts it — and Schumer and Pelosi being canny in how they guided the jumper off the ledge, all can be true at once. Getting too caught up in assigning blame or imbuing the players with cleverness (vs. simply seeing them as giving in to the inevitable) seems sophistic — almost scholastic.
It doesn’t matter who’s “clever” what matters is who wins and who loses.
Obviously, Dems win, Trump wins, Ryan & McConnell win, and the Freedumb Caucus loses.
That’s exactly what I’m saying: BooMan is all caught up in interpreting what’s happened (in light of various predictions — mainly his own — that offer conflicting rationales for the path that got us here).
Something that “had to happen” (an inevitability) which the players were only dubiously aware of or in denial of, once it finally happens, offers an opportunity to gauge who knew what; who was smart or dumb etc. and BooMan, Josh Marshall etc. are all fighting over who amongst the commentators had it straight before, or has it straight now. It’s, as you’re saying, a distraction.
” Freedumb Caucus loses.” Sounds about right.
Well, it clearly was a “Sh*t or get off the pot” wake-up call for McConnell & Ryan.
I have to wonder what effect it might have come impeachment time.
You are the best there is, BooMan. Thank you again for your clarity and patience with explaining all this repeatedly.
Quick question, bear with me, I’m tired today and might not have the best reading comprehension. Did Nancy and Chuck walk away with a 3 month CR out of this, or just the 3 month debt ceiling? Or was it both.
Perhaps I misread, but Booman seems to be attributing a bit of canniness to Trump that I have a hard time buying into. This is mostly with regard to his feeding the base red meat in order to buttress himself when he got to this point. I’d like to point out that part of “this point” (hurricane relief) is barely a week old.
And then there’s DACA. He has, I grant you, been all over the place with DACA after announcing the 6 month window, but the one constant with Trump has been his racism. It’s hard for me to believe that he’d be fine with letting it continue via act of Congress. I’m more inclined to think his “softening” there is the head fake.