Senate Republicans seem exasperated with Rand Paul’s contempt for their stupid Graham-Cassidy health care idiocy. But apparently they aren’t even trying to change his mind. I don’t think most Democrats trust Sen. Paul to vote ‘no,’ but his Republican colleagues seem convinced that he will. That’s why they’re focused on flipping two votes from the three members who voted against and killed the moronic skinny repeal bill back in early August.
Of the three, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine seems like the hardest case. But if they can’t convince her to basically walk back everything she’s said about health care over the last two months, they’ll have to get both Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska to come over to their fantasyland idea of rational health care policymaking.
Now, Murkowski and Collins are both supporters of Planned Parenthood and while they might not have the best voting records, they’re more pro- than anti-choice. I suppose neither side would really want to claim Murkowski, but she’s definitely an unnatural ally of the Graham-Cassidy bill.
Which makes this interesting:
[Rand] Paul is also drawing opposition from the anti-abortion lobby, a reliable ally. Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser said Paul’s “outright opposition to the bill and his dismissiveness of the pro-life priorities within it is alarming and damaging” and called his stance an “unacceptable position for a pro-life Senator to have.”
Sergio Gor, a spokesman for Paul, replied: “There is no one more pro life then Senator Rand Paul.”
If opposing Graham-Cassidy is an unacceptable position for an anti-choice senator to have, then supporting it must be an unacceptable position for a pro-choice senator to have. If that holds, it would seem that there’s no chance that Collins and Murkowski will flip.
Now, Murkowski has a nuanced position. She’s Catholic and personally morally opposed to abortion, but she also interprets her oath of office as committing her to upholding the Constitution. And she says that the Constitution protects abortion rights. On the other hand, she also interprets the Constitution as allowing “reasonable federal and state laws to limit when and where abortions can take place,” has voted to ban partial-birth abortion and opposes all federal funding of abortion.
Now, here’s why the Susan B. Anthony List thinks Graham-Cassidy is a must vote for the anti-choice movement:
Like previous bills, Graham-Cassidy imposes new restrictions that would make it harder for people to get insurance coverage for abortion, and for low-income patients to visit Planned Parenthood. Also like the other bills, it threatens Medicaid coverage and makes it easier for states to get rid of maternity care requirements.
And here’s what Murkowski committed to over the summer:
Sen. Lisa Murkowski has assured an Alaska constituent that she’s committed to preserving Planned Parenthood funding as part of a health care bill — the strongest line she’s drawn yet over one of the most controversial elements of the Obamacare repeal effort.
“I am committed to ensuring that important provisions of the ACA, such as covering those with pre-existing conditions, continued support for Medicaid expansion, coverage for dependents and no lifetime limits, and funding for Planned Parenthood remain intact,” Murkowski wrote in the constituent letter obtained by POLITICO.
It’s hard to see how she could keep those commitments and support Graham-Cassidy. I’m willing to say that she couldn’t.
Will it matter?
I might not be willing to bet money on it except that Murkowski surely hasn’t forgotten the way she was bullied and disrespected back in July:
With a couple of phone calls to Alaska’s Republican delegation, the Trump administration apparently thought it could bully Sen. Lisa Murkowski into supporting her party’s attempt to repeal Obamacare.
The approach was both rookie and reckless, according to former Interior officials. In the end, the Alaska senator stood her ground, joining two other Republican senators in defeating a “skinny” repeal of the Affordable Care Act early Friday morning.
The issue began when Murkowski voted Tuesday against a measure to begin debate on a health care bill. President Donald Trump used Twitter the next day to voice his dissatisfaction, saying Murkowski “really let the Republicans, and our country, down.”
On Wednesday night, the Alaska Dispatch News first reported that Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke had phoned Murkowski and fellow Alaskan Sen. Dan Sullivan (R) following Tuesday’s vote. Zinke delivered a “troubling message,” indicating that Murkowski’s defection could jeopardize future Alaska projects, in particular those involving energy extraction, Sullivan told the paper.
If she didn’t back down then, will the mere passage of time allow her to back down now for a substantially more submental piece of legislation?
It depends on whether she can be convinced by arguments like these:
Jeff Stein: I was hoping you could explain, in broad detail, what the point of Graham-Cassidy is.
Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa: Let me give you a political answer, and then I’ll give you a substance answer.
The political answer is that Republicans have promised for seven years that we were going to correct all the things that were wrong with Obamacare, and we failed the first eight months. This is the last attempt to do what we promised in the election.
Jeff Stein: Senator, I wanted to ask you for a policy-based explanation for why you’re moving forward with the Graham-Cassidy proposal. What problems will this solve in the health care system?
Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas: That — that is the last stage out of Dodge City… [Graham-Cassidy] is the last stage out of Dodge City. I’m from Dodge City. So it’s the last stage out to do anything. Restoring decision-making back to the states is always a good idea, but this is not the best possible bill — this is the best bill possible under the circumstances.
If we do nothing, I think it has a tremendous impact on the 2018 elections. And whether or not Republicans still maintain control and we have the gavel.
Jeff Stein: But why does this bill make things better for Americans? How does it help?
Pat Roberts: Pardon me?
Jeff Stein: Why does this make things better? What is this doing?
Pat Roberts: Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —
Jeff Stein: I do know Thelma and Louise, sir.
Pat Roberts: So we have to get out of the car, and you have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is.
“If you vote against us, you’re voting to keep Obamacare,” said Sen. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, one of the bill’s namesakes, when asked about Paul’s intractable stance. “Period. End of story.”
The most honest responses there are from Sens. Roberts and Grassley who both admit that the vote is about “whether or not Republicans still maintain control” of Congress after the upcoming midterm elections. That’s obviously a big concern for most senators, but McCain is battling a form of brain cancer that is usually fatal within two years, Collins has plans to run for governor of Maine, and Murkowski could caucus with the Democrats tomorrow if she wanted to, which she might.
Personally, as bad as things look for the Republicans if they fail to repeal Obamacare, kicking twenty-five to thirty million people off their health insurance is hardly letting people keep their plan if they like it. It seems like jumping out of Thelma and Louise’s car and directly into an active volcano.
Other than his precarious health, I haven’t mentioned John McCain here, but he’s also a person who would have to swallow a lot of words in order to get to ‘aye’ on this asinine and criminally cruel piece of crap. If the last bill was bad, this one is far worse. It would cost Arizona a lot of federal money, too, because they actually have expanded Medicaid. It hasn’t been introduced through regular order, there have been no hearings, there’s no bipartisanship about it whatsoever. McCain soaked up a lot of praise for killing the dumb skinny repeal bill and giving a nice speech, but he’d lose it all if he voted for the dumber Graham-Cassidy atrocity. I know he’s best pals with Lindsey Graham, but that can only count for so much.
Despite all these reasons why the Republicans shouldn’t be able to convince fifty of their senators to support this murderous and unconscionable excuse for public health policy, I still can’t feel fully confident that they won’t succeed.
You see, I am using reason and consistency and a desire to avoid hypocrisy and some actual analysis of what the craptastic bill would actually do. That’s reality-based thinking.
Sadly, it may not apply here.
The GOP is clearly in panic-mode.
IOW- “We convinced a lot of people to hate Obamacare through relentless lying and if we don’t follow through on this stupid, vile bill they might catch on.”
These quotes by Republican Senators sound like those coming from Senators in July. Completely devoid of any duty to promote the general welfare for ALL American, and devoid of any serious policy knowledge, and without policy knowledge you can’t issue policy-based justifications for what you’re doing. Instead of trying to learn policy and have a strong policy team in each Senate office, they’re deciding that’s unnecessary.
Remember when Karl Rove got a policy role in the W. Bush White House even though he had no policy expertise on anything at all? This is the logical conclusion to such things.
A potentially permanently destructive aspect of this fight is that Congressional Republicans are flat out saying that their own hand-picked CBO should be ignored at moments their conclusions are politically inconvenient.
But Hillary’s email server, the DNC, Podesta, blah blah blah.
Hillary’s emails? Oh horror of horrors. Lock her up! How do we stop people from buying into this bullshit. They apparently think they can make up any lie and get their base behind them. Sadly, they are right.
Here’s the strangest thing. This POS is NOT the end of their efforts to repeal Obamacare. They could do it NEXT JANUARY, if they could get the rest of their caucus to agree to it. If they fail now they will try again next January.
Now, their base might be upset they haven’t fulfilled their campaign promise to repeal Obamacare in the first year, but the vote doesn’t take place until November! SO they still have 11 months to get it done.
SO, if they passed a repeal bill in February 2018 no Reich-winger can really complain that it took them a little longer to get ‘er done! So, it isn’t politically important to get it done by some arbitrary deadline.
Except November 2018. That’s the only real deadline.
Until the Jeff Stein’s of the world respond by laughing in their lying faces and exclaiming “what a load of bullshit” they will not change.
The insiders are playing a game of the emperor has no clothes. The rest of us can pound sand for all they care.
We’ve simply got to win, somehow.
And if we lose this one this month, we’ve got to dust ourselves off and keep on organizing. Republicans across the board will be in deep electoral trouble if they pass this POS, along with other items in their unpopular agenda.
It’s going to continue to be very hard on our movement, its people and institutions, for a long time now. We’re driving on the edge of a high cliff, our vehicle has nitroglycerine on board, people on the vehicle are disagreeing bitterly about what to do, and the weather report says the thunderstorms we’re experiencing which have already destroyed people and institutions are going to go on for the next three years.
Don’t like The New Normal, but we must never stop fighting to get every win we can, and take encouragement and spiritual relief where we can as well.
Amen to that. The evil of these guys is hard to fathom. This morning an acquaintance of mine let it be known to several of us ( many of whom love them some Trump) that Obamacare was evil and needs to be gone, and he went on to say Trump was abosolutely right at the UN yesterday saying it was about time someone stood up for America. Some of his buddies were not to sure about that, but….. These guys all seem to come around to the same bullshit. When questioned about, you know, nuclear bombs he opined that ” I gotta believe we have something to stop that.” What? Silence. Nods all around.
These people don’t seem to get that when your solution sucks, simply repeating “there’s a big problem” over and over isn’t an argument for it.
They’re also lying about the scope of the problem, and lying particularly brazenly in 1000% denial of the successes of the ACA, successes which stand as factual things next to the facts which exist and people who state the individual and collective scope of the remaining problems with our unwieldy health system.
They don’t care about the suffering of human beings,well except self pity,if they need a free jet to take them to a meeting or,honeymoon.
I wonder if some are looking at the Alabama Senate race, where someone basically batshit crazy is going to beat the Trump endorsed candidate. Most GOP members of the Senate are far more vulnerable in a primary than in a general election. The Alabama race highlights this again.
In fact I kind of wonder if this is behind Collins decision to run for Governor. Trump nearly carried the state, and I am sure a right-wing opponent to her might get closer than anyone would think.
The other part is that it is hard to see the GOP losing the Senate, or really even the House. Given the map in the Senate getting to a draw would be a serious accomplishment. The GOP may pick up a seat in New Jersey, but I doubt they hold in in 2018. Nevada and Arizona look lost for the GOP. But there was a poll this week that saw Heitkamp behind in ND and I would be shocked if Donnelly held on in Indiana.
The Senate Parliamentarian may get Murkowski off the hook on Planned Parenthood by striking it as non germaine.
I still think they come up short.
But clearly they are trying to buy Murkowski’s vote:
I honestly think this is an inflection point – the losing side is going to see serious disillusionment in their base.
What disillusionment? Democrats will be furious, independents will be aghast. The press will be murderous. The next year will feature weeping parents begging on national TV for charity donations to fund their children’s cancer treatments. It will be a cluster-bomb of epic proportions and all of it will be blamed on the GOP.
I don’t know what the Democratic base expects other than that Democrats will vote against the bill, in both House and Senate, and they all will. No defections.
Frankly, if I were a complete semen-stain of a human being like Kansas Senator Roberts, and thought only of possible political benefit to my side, I’d be cheering the Republicans on wildly. This is actual suicide. Their own base hates it.
Now, of course, the GOP base hated Obamacare, but they all bought the lies that somehow, repealing it would LOWER their premiums. Even those with employer based coverage will suffer under this bill, and the hardest hit constituencies will be the Merkins. It’s not for nothing that Obama struggled to find health care providers for rural districts.
We can confidently predict that this is about the least popular piece of important legislation that has ever been passed by the Congress, at least since the Civil War. So, how can this not hurt the Republicans badly?
They might not lose the Senate in 2018 if their base is still celebrating a win over the hated Obama, and the disastrous effects of this bill aren’t all visible yet, but it will certainly cost them in many purple House Districts. It’s the House that is most at risk in 2018 after all.
Very cogent comment, my friend. The GOP is trying to deal with a headache by placing its head in a guillotine. I guess they figure the vast majority of their constituents either have employer-based healthcare or are on Medicare and won’t notice any major difference. But Americans, even Republicans, are empathetic people when it comes to real stories of real people and real suffering. I don’t see how they deal with the avalanche of real-life stories that will be all over the media — the parents losing children and children losing parents. The cruelty and suffering and stupidity all lands at their loathsome, disgusting feet.
Even with employer based healthcare, we’ll notice a difference. My employer had a us on a plan that had a lifetime health insurance cap. My previous employer had both lifetime and annual caps on coverage. No joke. Basically what we had was useless if anything catastrophic happened. I know. I got to live that dream. ACA changed that problem for the better. Some folks will fare better in some states than others if their work provides insurance, depending on what sorts of waivers those states demand.
All of this. A suicide note for the @GOP endorsed by a majority of both Republican controlled houses.
Obama is still mind-f*cking them from another dimension. I have never seen a moment like this before in a lifetime of American legislative politics.
I’m not convinced.
If deeply shitty legislation passes, that proves the government is not to be trusted. Sure, the Republicans suck too, but at least they hate the government that passes such shitty legislationings. The Democrats are for big government, more government! And look what the government does! It takes away your healthcare! At least the Republicans hate it.
This legislation hurting the Republicans badly isn’t enough. It needs to hurt them worse than it hurts Democrats, and in the right places. The Democrats are the party of Functional Government. The Republicans are the party of Fuck The Government.
Who will do better from a complete Republican sabotage of the government? I don’t think that’s so obvious.
What percentage of Americans know what political party Mike Pence belongs to?
If you’re right, Steggles, we’re truly fucked.
We’ve been fucked since November 9th.
I think McCain is a no, though.
I hope I’m wrong. I suspect that I’m inclined to believe the Worst Case because I know how rarely I’m right. So if I believe in the worst, I’m trying to inoculate against it …
But I also honestly worry that we liberals are deeply disadvantaged by our inclination–maybe our compulsion–to bring rationality to an emotion fight.
Here. This is like what I think, except intelligently-expressed! The whole thing is v. much worth a read.
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2017/09/your-right-wing-uncle-thinks-hillary.html
The election of 1988 endlessly replayed.
Willie Horton strikes again!
The only car out of Dodge City or Thelma and Louise’s Thunderbird. Trump was right about one thing, healthcare is complicated, especially when movie references fall like leaves from a tree.
Isn’t the prime mover behind the Graham-Cassidy bill the need to keep the money spigots flowing. As in the Koch’s, for one (or two), withholding of promised megabucks contributions.
Isn’t this whole exercise in cruelty and bad policy simply all about the money. Isn’t this effort by the GOP the clearest proof of how dependent on big pocket donors the GOP and our democracy have become? Will we have the political will as citizens to confront and deal with the pervasive influence of money in our democracy?
Yes, yes, yes, and sadly, no.
Isn’t the prime mover behind the Graham-Cassidy bill the need to keep the money spigots flowing. As in the Koch’s, for one (or two), withholding of promised megabucks contributions.
Yes. Because they want everyone to live in their Randian paradise. And they want their tax cuts yesterday, damn it!
For the reasons given it seems possible 3-4 GOP sens aren’t susceptible to enormous Koch and base pressure. But the willingness to burn down democratic process and lie shamelessly about immiserating millions…wait, what am I saying? It’s nothing new and entirely predictable.
The GOP approach to “governing” resembles some farcical version of the old Soviet Politburo and Duma. Strike that…the old Soviet Politburo and Duma were pretty farcical already. Secrecy, lack of debate, dour pronouncements of how glorious the new law will be fore the Motherland. All that’s missing is the five year plan.
Why would the Reps pass a bill that is even worse than the last monstrosity? They know they’ll get killed next year as the fallout actually happens for the next 13 months.
Is this too outre to consider? The plan is not for the bill to pass, but for the Reps – like the last time – to SEEM to want to pass it. And for 3 pre-picked Senators, that will be hurt the least, to do the dirty work. Collins, McCain and Rand are perfectly positioned to drop the monkey wrench into the works.
The entire GOP can hardly claim at this late date that it was all a hoax to raise money on and they knew all along that they’d never survive the act of throwing the millions, given stable medical insurance for the first time in their lives, into an abyss of life or death decisions and medical bankruptcy.
Or maybe they just want to drop this hot potato into the governors’ laps and move on.
If the GOP passes this, isn’t it a near certainty that the backlash against it would be monumental? I’m having a really hard time putting myself in Graham’s or McConnell’s position and understanding what their long game is here.
Can anyone enlighten me?
Clearly they seem to think that the political backlash occurs if they DON’T pass it. So they are operating under the precise opposite of your proposition. That seems to be the take of the post.
Quite a situation. It would seem that as a matter of pure politics, the “better” result is for the politically dominant party to make the major mistake of fucking yet again with the nation’s failed health insurance “system”. Morally speaking this would be a catastrophe, of course.
Since the noble patriotic Repubs are seeing this as an existential political issue for them—according to them they simply MUST be able to say they repealed Obamacare–then the only conclusion is that they either commit political suicide (in their eyes) or “succeed” by passing the turd, as long as it “repeals Obamacare”. And the imbecile Der Trumper is desperate for another win, since we aren’t quite sick of all the winning yet!
Since Repubs likely won’t knowingly commit suicide, they will find the 50 votes—surely Murkowski can be bought, all Alaska ever cares about is how much political pork the nation idiotically throws its way. And McBrain doesn’t care one whit about anything other than his beloved Bloated Military, so he’s had his mavericky fun on health care. He goes along with the gang.
And the curious reality is if Repubs (somehow) don’t pass the turd, they will stay in complete control, as only a major disaster can possibly alter the balance of power. Interesting times.