Gabriel Sherman has done some outstanding reporting and gotten some major scoops, but when he says he has a source who claims that Steve Bannon predicted that Trump has only a thirty percent chance of completing his term, I’m not sure if I can take that to the bank. I do know that Bannon is worried about it, because he’s said that on the record. Either way, Frank Rich may be correct that it doesn’t matter all that much because the Republican Party has been destroyed.
The idea that the pre-Trump GOP will make a post-Trump comeback to vanquish these forces is laughable. Old-line Establishment Republicans in the Senate and the House, even very conservative ones like [Sen. Jeff] Flake, are engaging in self-deportation, as Mitt Romney might say, rather than face a firing squad in the primaries. The Trumpists will with time expunge the rest, including Paul Ryan (whom Bannon has dismissed as “a limp-dick motherfucker who was born in a petri dish at the Heritage Foundation,” according to Joshua Green in The Devil’s Bargain). It’s a replay of the purge of the 1960s, when the reinvented GOP shaped by Goldwater, Nixon, and the “southern strategy” shoved aside the likes of Nelson Rockefeller and George Romney. Given that 89 percent of Republicans voted for Trump in November and that 80 percent of today’s GOP voters reliably give Trump favorable approval ratings no matter what he has said or done since, that means only a fifth of those Americans identifying as Republicans are (possibly) “Never Trumpers.”
If Rich is right about all that, then he’s probably right about this, as well:
The remains of Establishment Republicanism are at best a Potemkin village. It’s too little, too late for “the Republican renovation project” floated in October by the former George W. Bush speechwriter and passionate “Never Trumper” Michael Gerson, who imagined that John Kasich, Flake, Ben Sasse, and the like would dream up “a compelling alternative to the Bannon appeal.” History will show that feckless Establishment Republicans repeatedly missed their chance to take back or renovate their party by being too cowardly, too cynical, or too inept to confront Trumpism as it fanned the flames of racial backlash under Palin, the tea party, and finally Trump during the Obama years…
…By illuminating a pathway to power that no one had thought possible, and demolishing the civic guardrails that we assumed protected us from autocrats, Trump has paved the way for far slicker opportunists to gain access to the national stage. Imagine a presidential candidate with Trump’s views and ambitions who does not arrive with Trump’s personal baggage, his undisciplined penchant for self-incrimination, and his unsurpassed vulgarity.
What Trump has done was always possible. What stood in the way more than anything else was the lack of someone with the basic lack of decency to give it a try. And, yes, perhaps George Wallace came too early, before Reaganism, automation, consolidation, and globalization had a chance to weaken small-town and rural America to the point where they’d stop believing anything told by anyone with a modicum of responsibility for their plight. Or, perhaps, Wallace was only lacking ostentatious wealth and a hit reality show that could make him look competent.
What matters now is that Trump won. And, by winning, he showed the way for others to succeed. Whether or not anyone else can repeat his success in an open question, but future Republican candidates will be expected to try.
All the things that Trump exploited and continues to exploit were always options on the table. They went largely untouched because people were unwilling to use them. In particular, no one was willing to attack our institutions like Trump. The media are the most important of these, if only because they’ve been discredited in the eyes of Trump’s supporters to the point that they can’t hold him accountable. That makes it possible for Trump to get away with attacking everything else, from prisoners of war and Gold Star families and the Pope, to our intelligence agencies and the congressional leadership of his own party.
It’s absolutely true that the groundwork for this was laid over decades by the conservative movement and eventually the Republicans’ top strategists who chipped away at the media in every way they could devise. When science and expert advice didn’t align with their goals, they invented their own science and expert advice. When the media reported their lies, they created their own media.
Trump and Trumpism are monsters of their own creation who have now turned against them, and that makes what has been lost irretrievable. But it feels like more of an end game than the start of a new path. This seems like the culmination of many sins rather than something permanent that we’ll have to live with forever more.
In other words, it’s probably true that the Republican Party can’t be reanimated, but that means it could be about to die for good.
In truth, I don’t see that happening overnight, although it’s death might come more suddenly and shockingly than Trump’s rise to power. I expect there to be some kind of third party force, probably in the form of a Teddy Roosevelt or more effective Ross Perot character who splits their support and renders them something less than a full member of the two-party system. The Democrats will be the immediate beneficiaries of this, but it won’t necessarily add much to their overall level of support. It’s not unlikely that once the disruption to the system settles out a little that the Democratic Party will be next on the chopping block.
In the interim, we’d see more regionalism and more of a suburban/exurban split in political alliances. Our system isn’t really set up for more than two parties, especially in Congress where new members must choose one side or the other in order to get any committee assignments. We could begin to see strange things, like protracted negotiations involving parliamentary-style haggling in order for the House to settle on a Speaker or the Senate to settle on a Majority Leader. The conservatives could see themselves shunted to the corner as a new center right party with relatively few members finds common cause with center left Democrats to choose a congressional leadership committed to paying our bills on time.
If these things happen, they will come more from necessity than from any new ideology. Monied interests are going to conclude that the GOP can no longer serve their purposes. That’s already happening, which is why you see so many Republicans openly admitting that their donors have had it and will not continue to fund their social conservatism unless they get their corporate tax cuts. For our coastal elites, the cultural humiliation of being aligned with Trumpism is already getting too great to bear, but the GOP’s inability to dot the i’s and cross the t’s of basic governance will take things over the edge.
So far, what’s lacking by way of a solution is mainly imagination. Secondarily, people are looking for quick and easy solutions that can work in the short-term, which is why you still hear the near-mystical talk about retaking control of the Republican Party from the Trumpist hordes. Frank Rich is correct that this is not going to happen. Any solution will be outside the Republican Party, and it will be protracted and messy.
The first step is for the money to walk away from the Republican Party. Once they decide that the conservative movement has gone far past its expiration date and curdled in the box, they’ll get about building something new. Maybe they’ll build it first in California and New England and the Mid-Atlantic. But whenever they make the move, the first step will be to accept the fact that a precondition for success is to be willing to accept that splitting the right will lead to a period of progressive ascendancy.
How much these things are actually thought through, and how much they just follow inexorably from laws defined by imposed constraints is a great question. Eventually, the power structure behind the Democratic Party determined that they were at a dead end with southern segregationism. It was wrong and it was killing us in the global battle of ideas for support in the Third World. They could have continued on knowing that change would break them in the short-term. But they pressed ahead because their self-interest included enough respect for basic decency and right and wrong that they were willing to make the sacrifice.
In this case, we’re going to have to hope for a repeat. But the choice is going to be made for them. The choice is being made for them. The GOP is Trump’s now. It belongs to the fascists and demagogues. That means that our elites have to walk away and find some other vehicle to advance their interests. And they’ll do it when they realize that they’re out of alternatives.
Wish I could be as sanguine as you, Martin. This could play out in so many ways. Yes, the Republican party could crumble and break apart. Perhaps we’ll get a preview with the Alabama Senate race. But that’s not the only possible outcome and only hindsight is 20/20.
If the fat cats run to the Democrats and our party isn’t smart enough to tell them to go fuck themselves, we could see fracturing on the left too. The precursors are certainly present here and in other progressive spaces.
What got Trump over the top was only that he managed to convince enough rubes that he authentic. An authentic cretin for sure, but authentic just the same. Who do we have on the radar who passes that test and is under the age of, say, 70? Not that such a candidate couldn’t emerge.
The GOP has some huge advantages. It’s got a propaganda network that’s well positioned on television and dominant on the radio waves. It’s got a Supreme Court willing to extend every beneficence on its wealthy masters. It’s got gerrymandering and voter suppression and unlimited corporate and fat cat campaign money (unless and until they’re abandoned, which I’ll believe when I see).
If anything’s going to save us, it’s public outrage. One really doesn’t have to move the meter much but only if we can hold together, which means everyone doing their part. Bernie supporters will need to step back from their cynical contempt and establishment Democrats need to reform themselves and the party. Otherwise the opportunities before us will be squandered, as they so often are, in the hail of bullets from our circular firing squads.
The New Deal happened because Fat Cats, enough of them anyway, concluded that an alliance with the Democratic Party was in their best interests. This isn’t a flaw in the New Deal. It’s how we dominated the politics of this country from Hoover’s flameout until Nixon’s resurrection.
I’m tired of these fantasies about building a dominant political machine that doesn’t have buy in from the business community. It’s not going to happen. It doesn’t have to. They need to see, once again, that they’ll do better under a more regulated but sane system than they’ll do with the dysfunctional and rapacious Republican Party.
That time is arriving, fast.
In addition, there’s no mechanism for the party to tell the fat cats to go fuck themselves if they decide backing Democrats is in their interest. The way to advance the progressive cause is the same with or without big money involvement: vote for the best candidate in the primary and then vote for every Democrat in the general.
I don’t know what the fat cats actually did, but if they had any investments left at all by 1932 they needed somebody to rescue them. Anybody, even a democrat. They faced a blood bath beginning with the crash. I have to believe many other nominal republicans moved over to the democrats for a generation or so.
If Trump fails to enact a satisfactory tax plan, we should expect some of them moving along – to the democrats. I anxiously await what sort of screwed up plan they will put out there, since I think they are unable to do it. Having a few fat cats around could be helpful, but leave the Koch bros and their ilk out there.
If they can behave themselves, fine. I’m happy to have Warren Buffet in the tent. But if they’re demanding tax cuts or even a return to the blue-dog ideal, we have to make clear that our basic identity and our ideals are not for sale. As an example, we can talk about how best to contain health care costs but they must buy into the premise of containment.
The fat cats had plenty of warning signs that the wheels were coming off the wagon: angry people stoned the Hoover motorcade in DC. Riots and people marching and farmers demanding food. 4 more years of Hoover would have seen a situation arise like in Germany or Italy – or Russia, which is what they feared.
Normally, fat cats don’t pay attention to anything but their own bottom lines. And those will be improved dramatically once Congress gives the billionaires their tax cut. I don’t see them abandoning the GOP en masse just yet. Perhaps in 2021 if the Democrats find a way to seize power by then, and Trumpism is under siege. In short, not likely at all.
also too, end of Apartheid in South Africa
i.e. couldn’t staff their businesses
But where’s the incentive? Obama bailed them out with a blank check and when he regulated them just a touch and they responded by funding the Tea Baggers. Debt is sacrosanct. They are never wrong. Their profits are huge.
The best we have is a few technologists realizing the need for basic income but there are a lot of fat cats beyond tech that see that as sending our morality to hell and the tech guys are going to fight any push against platform monopolies to the end. How do you get to that New Deal acquiescence when the 2008 crash didn’t even get them close?
didn’t the bail out happen under President Bush?
Both Bush and Obama.
You write:
“Bernie supporters will need to step back from their cynical contempt!!!???”
They were decidedly not “cynical” until “the establishment Democrats [who] need to reform themselves and the party” underhandedly screwed them and their candidate out of contention. The Sanders workers…especially the younger ones… were the very opposite of cynical as the primaries got under way. They were out there working their asses off for him. They…I personally, as well…were actually not convinced enough about the slime that own and run the DemRat Party to become totally cynical until the whole Perez hustle and the recent DNC coup that basically got rid of almost every Sanders supporter of any power or prominence. And even what we are feeling isn’t “cynicism,” it’s just a resigned but accurate look at the reality of things.
Deal with it. This article of Booman’s deals only with the fractures beginning to seriously occur in the Republican Party. He skirts the issues going on with the DemRats with this little beauty. (Emphasis mine.):
He does a little more skirting later:
“[Southern segregationism] was wrong and it was killing us in the global battle of ideas for support in the Third World!!!???”
And “…[the Democratic Party’s] self-interest included enough respect for basic decency and right and wrong that they were willing to make the sacrifice!!!???”
The U.S. has been as good as dead since the early ’50s in the “global battle of ideas for support in the Third World,” and southern segregationism was never the primary reason for this even before the so-called Civil Rights era. The real reason behind the almost worldwide contempt for the U.S. is plainly its continuing (and very effective) post-WW II overt and covert military actions in support of viciously effective economic imperialism in every third world country on this good green earth. The seeds of the current world-wide terrorist problem were consistently sown by Democratic and Republican administrations from the start of the Korean War right on through Vietnam and the many…and also plainly continuing…Southeast Asian, South/Central/Caribbean American, Middle Eastern and African military U.S. adventures.
This has been a bipartisan effort…the beginnings of the Permanent Government and its Deep State controllers…and in point of fact the only high-ranking, federally elected official to speak out about this in public was a Republican…President Dwight David Eisenhower in his farewell speech where he coined the term “Military Industrial Complex.”
“How the Republican Party will die?”
The same way the Democratic Party will die.
Suicide by greed.
It may take a little longer…or it may not…but the real flaw in this system isn’t in any way “ideological.”
It is moral.
What goes around always and forever comes around.
Short of a total makeover of the Democratic Party on the Sanders model, the Dems can bend over, put their head between their knees and kiss their asses goodbye at least as soon as the Republican funeral is over if not before.
Bet on it.
AG
I don’t usually do this, but on the way to work this morning I flipped on Morning Joe. And from listening to the mouth-agape responses from all of the conservative leaners there about Trump’s Asia tour, and the horrifically destructive consequences that will come from it, it is painfully obvious that the Establishment Republicans still cannot wrap their minds around the fact that their Party is gone. They simply continue to believe that their cherished “adults in the room” are, in their minds at least, keeping the leash taut on Donald Trump. And very soon they will prevail and things will come back into a comfortable and recognizable focus for them.
The fact of the matter is, those “adults” are all pledging their fealty to Trump and, like good soldiers do, are moving the President’s agenda forward and working to normalize Trumpism as the fact of the country. And they are succeeding.
This continuing denial on their part is only going to serve to strengthen the hold that Trump and Bannon have on the Republican Party. The time is soon coming when these Establishment Republicans are going to be forced to make a very public choice on whether they wish to pledge complete loyalty to the new Authoritarian Republican Party, replete with all the requisite racism, xenophobia, misogyny, and its enthusiastic core of Nazis, white supremacists, and Putin supporters. The only other option for them is to become a part of the resistance. They are soon going to be faced with a decision much more consequential than a political one; they are going to be faced with a moral and humantarian question that could well have life and death hanging in the balance.
They have a very long way to go. They are still in that first stage of grief, which is denial. They had better get their minds wrapped around the fact that they need to accelerate quickly through the remaining anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance; before it’s too late for all of us.
Booman, how does this match with your story from Friday with that red map?
The Republican party still has a lot of power, which the money interests will not easily let go of.
And if they do, and grab the Democratic party instead, where do we go?
If I’m a member of the Republican Establishment or the monied coastal conservative elite–only mildly racist, mostly just greedy–why not throw my weight behind the conservative wing of the Democratic Party? By all indications, we’d be happy to have them–we energetically cite Frum and Navarro, and even Flake. The media, I suspect, would be thrilled to portray them as the adults in the party–and much of the party would be just as thrilled. Is this being prevented by a failure of imagination or a ‘cultural’ mismatch?
In my view, it’s prevented by raw rancid greed. They already had our party enough under wraps. Obamacare was a compromise that gave their people a seat at the table plus a big payoff to pharma for staying on the sidelines. That wasn’t enough for some of ’em. Those greedy bastards want it all. There’s no place for that bullshit in my party.
But if the Republican party doesn’t work out for them, it’s easier for them to try to leverage control over our party than to try some third, er, way, isn’t it?
The Republican party might plausibly “die” or be reduced to a rump.
The problem is the conservative media bubble doesn’t look to be in such danger. They’ve lost some viewership with political power, as usual, but that will reverse once they’re out again. With such a large percentage of the population sucked into that maelstrom of insanity we’re going to have serious problems with our politics regardless of the political party arrangement – whether it’s still D vs R, D vs a new conservative party, or some multiparty split. Look at the power the right wing nuts have attained in Turkey, Hungary, Poland, and now Austria.
And this is exactly why I lay our current potlical morass, more than any other person, at the feet of Roger Ailes. May he rot in hell.
You’re giving a free pass to iHeartMedia and the bastards at Bain Capital who made it possible? No, there are many demonic bastards. May they all rot in hell!
None of those countries have much of a history of liberal government. All of them have deeply inbred antisemitism, which has marked them for centuries. Apples and chainsaws.
Meanwhile, Fox is already passe for wingnuts. I don’t think Fox appeals to too many people under the age of 60. That leaves the Internet, and even that is diluted by the sheer number of voices peddling various diets of insanity, many of them incompatible with each other.
I don’t think the pendulum will swing to the far left, but it will inevitably return to center. It’s the wait that kills ya.
“The first step is for the money to walk away…”
It’s inconceivable that the plutocrats and CEOs will walk away from the their corrupt “investment” in the criminal Repub party. That party works tirelessly to do their bidding at all times. Even if the Repub party could (somehow) be destroyed politically, the plutocrats will go down with the ship under the theory of sunk costs, sunk investment.
Oh, there’s no doubt many mega-donors will be unhappy if the “conservative” dogbrains they have enabled to be elected fail to deliver the array of tax cuts they were bribed to dispense. But the dogbrains (Trumperian or otherwise) have already paid for themselves ten times over through the discarding of new environmental regulations and the non-existent enforcement of existing laws, which obviously is being extended to all areas of the economy.
The destruction of the environment by our corporate interests/CEOs is worth every penny they pay to their GOoPers. Add in judicial rulings by Roberts’ Repubs which go universally in favor of corporate/monied interests and you definitely have party that is worth its weight in gold to plutocrats, no matter what level of divisive white supremacist boobery its “social conservative” hoi polloi demand.
The abusive billionaire class can continue publicly to tut-tut over the rancid white supremacy that is the new ticket to political domination of the country, while enjoying all the luxuries that unregulated capitalism confers on the super rich. It’s no skin off their nose and is an easy life of comfortable hypocrisy. They are the failed gods whose Valhalla(s) need to go up in flames in an American Gotterdammerung.
Respectfully, I don’t think you have this right. Like any business folks, they will invest where they see their investment likely to bear fruit. And that is certainly not with a feckless party led by a lunatic which cannot pass a single blessed thing even with a Trifecta.
And yes, they’ve gotten plenty from their investment so far, but that doesn’t mean you stay invested; you decide if you’re liable to see good returns going forward, and if not, you pull your money out. And that’s exactly what they’ll do after this tax reform bill crashes and burns.
That’s what they threaten to do. It’s hard to imagine the Koch brothers, Adelson, Friess, Singer, Mercer, et. al. picking up their marbles and even harder to imagine them turning to Democrats.
Well, that bunch is True Believer. Lots of other, smaller, quieter ones that might be amenable to some regulation in their profits over NO profits following a night of long pitchforks or general economic blow-up.
and more specifically with regard to “the theory of sunk costs, sunk investment”. This is more commonly referred to a “the sunk-cost fallacy” for a reason. The idea is that continuing with something that’s not working because you’ve already sunk a lot of costs into it (aka “throwing good money after bad” is foolish and against self interest. It just ensures your losses from sticking with the failed initiative will be even larger, while there’s no way to recover the costs that are already sunk.
The fallacy is the idea that you should continue throwing good money after bad because of all the costs you’ve already sunk into the failing project.
And since plutocrats are about nothing if not self-interest, unless they’re just stupid (some are!), they’re not likely to fall into that fallacy.
I am not so sure it is inconceivable for the plutocrats to walk away. There is an awful lot invested in these tax cuts, first from Obamacare (which thus far has failed) and now tax cuts. If this fails or is only half what they want, they could easily walk away, especially if the market and/or the economy goes south.
I just don’t see the Republican party dying. There’s far too many true believers, and if you’re brave enough to go out into various comment sections, you’ll be treated to endless comments that can basically be paraphrased thusly (and I’ve seen it written exactly this way):
“I’d rather have my taxes raised to high heaven, lose all health care insurance, and not have a job than to vote for a Democrat. If having my taxes hiked in order to give the .01% a tax cut results in Democrats whining and crying, then I’m all for it.”
These voters aren’t going anywhere. They’ve been so brainwashed by the propaganda machine, that they’re completely fine with kids being raped, rather than having a Democrat in office.
I simply don’t see it happening. And don’t fool yourself that the white suburban Republicans might suddenly grow a conscience or get turned off by child rape. If they think they have a flying chance of getting some kind of tax cut, believe me, the kids can get raped until doomsday.
These people have no morals, no ethics, and yes, they’re completely and totally committed to voting against their own interests, if they believe it make Libtards mad.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for the GOP to die. Nah guh happen.
Would love to be wrong… but… just saying.
An increasingly large slice of a constantly shrinking pie can win elections for a long time — it depends on the starting size of the pie.
Outstanding piece. I’ve been saying a lot of the same things for a while.
In fact, I cheered on Trump’s campaign, because I thought his loss might be the thing that cracked up the GOP. Now I realize, ironically, that his victory is worse for them than his loss would’ve been. (If only it weren’t worse for the rest of us too.)
And I think the way you posit this is exactly how it will go down. Either the GOP will go away altogether, and be replaced Whig-style, or it will be reduced to a shell of itself, as it was during the 50s, until it can come up with a new coalition and new political marketing. I just don’t know how long that will take to happen, and it could be a while.
But the part where I think Frank Rich is off-base is this part: “Imagine a presidential candidate with Trump’s views and ambitions who does not arrive with Trump’s personal baggage, his undisciplined penchant for self-incrimination, and his unsurpassed vulgarity.”
Trump HAS no views. And his only ambition is to make himself money. So I think it is very unlikely that we’ll have another Trump-like candidate at the Trump level of success. He really is a kind of idiot savant of branding and lowest-common-denominator communication. To combine all that with enough ruthlessness to leverage the white supremacists (or actual believe in it) AND some actual political savvy and discipline would truly take a remarkable figure. It is even more likely that such a remarkable figure will arise on the left to galvanize the populace from the period of political emptiness that may be coming.
Isn’t that exactly how Ed Gillespie tried to run in Virginia? Maximum race-baiting, but from a more genteel and serious candidate?
Yes, and it didn’t work.
Sounds like the fundamentalist Christian description of the Antichrist. Wait a minute, though??? Wasn’t Obama the Antichrist? Or was it Hillary? I just can’t keep all that straight. The only thing for sure, I guess, is that their Antichrist will have a (D) next to their name.
I sometimes think (in my not so sober moments) that Trump and friends are really a one trick pony. Sure they have their Nazis and etc but it rests in large part on the money people. The stock market has been rising pretty steadily, on the dream of tax cuts. And that enables these dumb bastards. If the tax cut hurts the middle class as some think, all bets are off.
“…The GOP…belongs to the fascists and demagogues….”
There is no clarity of thought here. Perhaps this is because there is no clarity of observation: the Republican Party has been a totalitarian party since 1979 if not earlier (ask ten people when, get twelve answers).
But what about these fascists and demagogues? Without disputing your characterization of them, what is to be done with them? Shall they be removed from participation in the political system? If so, on what grounds? Because they are outnumbered, or because their dissent is fundamental, i.e. because the only reason why they participate in the system is in order to destroy it from within?
If it is because they are outnumbered, then how small a faction is small enough to silence with a clear conscience? 27%? 50% minus epsilon? Name your threshold. Address the geographical variation in their incidence.
Last year’s election as it went forward felt like both parties were engaged in existential struggles and that one or the other party would not remain standing by January 2017. The Republican existential anxiety was that the Obama presidency would do for them what the New Deal had done; McConnell and all the Republican operatives and media people began strategizing early on to have a total oppositional minority party, seriously breaking the few Congressional procedural norms that remained from the Gingrich era. The Congressional Republicans were playing full-court press and full trash-talking from 2010 to 2014 to gain ground on which to stand. And then the clown car Republican primaries stripped the election of any policy basis and made it totally about Presidential character (which is not the same as Presidential ethics.) So then the geographical question becomes “How do you win by 3 million popular votes and lose by 90,000 popular votes in a way that hands Trump the election?
The Republican Party will die in spite of the widgets it has created to make it easier to grab the vote totals procedurally. That is what you are saying, BooMan. I think you are correct, but there is more to be said.
The 2016 made a hash of any policy mandate, of any popular policy direction on anything. What the Trump administration claims as an overarching mandate is the paying off of Republican donors with a lavish tax cut. Democrats have used the Republican eagerness to act quid for quo as a foil, but one suspects at least a few Democratic members of Congress to want some accommodation of their own donors as part of the grease that allows the “tax reform bill” to pass with bipartisan votes. Fortunately the Democratic leadership still wants to stop the tax bill dead to deliver a second major defeat to Ryan and McConnell.
So what needs to be figured out is the changed policy landscape after the Congressional session. A lot of voters are not as hot on repeal of Obamacare as they were a year ago. Civil rights, incomes, education, and a lot of other domestic policy issues that have been sidelined by the Bannon strategy have come roaring back as a result of the Nazi resurgence at Charlottesville and after. And equal protection of the law has not gone away as an issue.
Morever, monopolies, decaying infrastructure, and financial market stability and honesty have not gone away as issues. Some asset class or another could be the next to melt down as mortgage derivatives did in 2007-2008.
So lacking any ability to talk during campaigns about actual reality and bring public understanding of policy issues, any dominance or disappearance of parties will mean only more subservience to the donors’ agendas.
What was unique about the 1932-1972 period was that campaign donors contributed to get outcomes for the voters and the country more than specifically for their own interest. The polity, economy, and foreign policy came before quid pro quos enough that the public did get substantial benefit out of public programs and projects.
Lacking actual political discussions of policy, and increased public curiosity and education about policy, any musical chairs of parties and factions will be more chaos and breakdown and less support of government institutions. That can lead to consortiums of private institutions establishing the rules of social life like the mortgage brokers short-circuited the register of deeds with their automated title transfers and the short circuiting of public courts through consumer businesses’ use of mandated arbitration for dispute settlement. There are other examples where a breakdown of government activity gets replaced with corporate feudalism.
We can see a situation in which parties die but the institutions that spawn political campaigns are grafted onto the emerging institutions of corporate feudalism. The Republican Party dies, but Americans for Prosperity and the American Legislative Exchange Council become more powerful and more dominant in public life and legislatures while individual politicians remain “independent”, serving only their donors.
Pretending that we are not in uncharted territory means that we will treat things that are hazardous as no big deal.
It is so very easy to argue that corporate feudalism is unresistable under all scenarios. There is not alternative. Good old TINA.
I hope there is an alternative — for all of our children’s sakes.
In a way they were right. Imagine what the first liberal Supreme Court in 50 years would have meant. Imagine too the fear on the R side of maybe never seeing the White House again. Would have caused a major soul searching. Perhaps the party would have reformed itself. Now it seems that crackup is the only real possibility. I don’t know how a party pulls itself back from full-scale implosion.
I raise the possibility that parties, in the sense of the RNC and DNC institutions might have been bypassed by other arrangements between candidates and donors. And that policy coherence might be a thing of the past except for an individual candidate.
Wonderful, thought-provoking post that, again, makes me grateful for discovering this little corner of cyberspace.
I lived in the chaotic multiparty politics of several South American nations in the 90s. Last November, as I cradled my head in my hands and wept for what had become of my country, several friends from the Southern Hemisphere tried to calm me by launching a discussion of a multiparty future for the US.
It was an interesting intellectual exercise, but it was not entirely comforting.
My friends and I agreed with your analysis that: “It’s not unlikely that once the disruption to the system settles out a little that the Democratic Party will be next on the chopping block.”
Certainly you are correct that there would be a regional component to this, but eventually, we could project a moderate, internationalist, pro-trade, pro-business coalition in the political center, with a Trumpist, blood-and-soil nationalist party on the right, and some mixture of greens and social democrats on the left. At he risk of once more offending my very gracious hosts on this site, I felt I would be most at home in the centrist party. Several friends joined me there, while others said they would cast their lot with the Greens or the Social Democrats.
However, our great fear was that this multiparty fracturing would continue, throwing off even more reactionary, violent elements to the right, and, perhaps, prompting an armed revolutionary/anarchist response from the left. These groups would be small, but their capacity to sow mayhem would be substantial.
The Correlates of War database, long used by political scientists and researchers in international relations, defines a civil war as an internal conflict between armed factions that causes at least 1000 deaths per year. I think we’re closer to this than most analysts care to admit.
As someone who will happily swing the axe on the Dems, we probably aren’t going to get out of this without blood. When two groups can’t even establish a baseline on anything, then disputes cannot by definition be settled. Basically we need to break the right wing media machine or we need their viewers to die in some manner. There are no other options.
Already on other sites I am seeing commenters anger grow and the word “traitor” being used to describe the GOP.
How much longer do people need to die from lack of healthcare, opioids, climate change, guns, and hate crimes?
How much longer do people need to be harmed from breaking up families, destroying the safety net, militarized police forces, raping of the environment, inequality and crushing student debt?
How much longer do people need to sink into poverty and hopelessness – before it becomes obvious that we are in a civil war?
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition and no one expected Roy Moore. Evidently at least some Rs are angry and considering voting for Jones. –
a 5th woman has come forward and she has Roy Moore’s signature, signed “love” w his title, in her yearbook, – she worked as a waitress in a restaurant where he ate dinner and one night a couple weeks after he signed her yearbook had the opportunity to drive her home … btw the guy was trolling custody hearings, mothers of all 4 of the first girls were single parent. meanwhile back in DC they’re thinking of getting Sessions into Roy Moore’s Senate seat, a twofer as it were.
<quote>Imagine a presidential candidate with Trump’s views and ambitions who does not arrive with Trump’s personal baggage, his undisciplined penchant for self-incrimination, and his unsurpassed vulgarity.</quote>
Such a candidate would be unpopular with the right wing. In fact you just described George Bush. What they LOVE is the trash talking, stupidity and violent rhetoric.
In short with the crudeness and stupid incompetence of a WWE match, the Trump Administration is EXACTLY what they love. A smoother Trump would not be someone they could admire because he would not be crudely taking to Twitter to insult everybody who ever crossed him for any reason.
How could they trust such a person? True, Mike Pence would be more dangerous than Trump, but they could never love him like Trump.
Matt Bevin is a good example of someone doing Trumpism better than Trump. He already runs a GOP lock state but he relentlessly attacks the media and dissenters. Not unlike the much more successful Erdogan, though Erdogan is riding that Islamic Rural djinn.
First, kill the Republican party.
Then, allow the sane center-right wingers join the Democratic party. They’ll provide enough votes to get some fires put out, and the country back on the correct path.
Finally, create a new left-wing progressive party that isn’t in the majority, but does what a left-wing progressive party always does – drag the country forward.
None of this happens with a functioning Republican party. And killing the Democratic party first would be a disaster.
A political party only dies when there is a place for their members to go. The Whigs ceased to be in 1856 when the new Republican Party was born – a Party created around the central question of the day – Abolition of Slavery.
Any new Party today will have to be created around one or more big issues – be they moral, emotional, or financial – in order to attract enough members and money to be viable.
I believe the issues of the day in America are climate change and gun control.
YMMV, but I welcome the thoughts of the good folks on this site.