The Republicans say they have a tax deal, which I am sure that they do. That doesn’t mean that they’ll be able to pass it, necessarily, but they have something that they think will have a good shot. Unfortunately, they have to contend with this:
A new Quinnipiac poll finds American voters disapprove of the pending Republican tax plan by a wide margin, 55% to 26%, and 43% say they are less likely to vote for a U.S. Senator or Congressperson who supports the plan.
Key finding: “Only 16% of American voters say the tax plan will reduce their taxes, while 44% say it will increase their taxes and 30% say the tax plan will have little impact.”
And this:
A new Monmouth poll finds President Trump’s job approval at 32% to 56%, the lowest since he’s taken office.
The decline in Trump’s job rating has come much more from women, currently 24% to 68%, than from men, which is 40% to 44%.
Democrats lead the generic congressional ballot by 15 percentage points, 51% to 36%.
If the Republicans do manage to pass a tax bill, it won’t be because 16% of the public thinks it will benefit them. It won’t be because 55% of the people oppose the bill. It won’t be because a president with a 32% approval rating is demanding it. And it won’t really be because of that 15% deficit the GOP is suffering in the generic congressional ballot. It will be because they have no idea what else to do.
And it will be because the Republican donors will close their checkbooks if they don’t give them a trillion and a half dollars in tax breaks.
Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.) had been describing the flurry of lobbying from special interests seeking to protect favored tax provisions when a reporter asked if donors are happy with the tax-reform proposal.
“My donors are basically saying, ‘Get it done or don’t ever call me again,’ ” Collins replied.
Over the summer, we saw more of these stories:
At least one influential donor has informed congressional Republicans that the “Dallas piggy bank” is closed until he sees major action on health care and taxes.
Texas-based donor Doug Deason has already refused to host a fundraiser for two members of Congress and informed House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., his checkbook is closed as well.
“Get Obamacare repealed and replaced, get tax reform passed,” Deason said in a pointed message to GOP leaders. “You control the Senate. You control the House. You have the presidency. There’s no reason you can’t get this done. Get it done and we’ll open it back up.”
An interesting thing about these kinds of donations is that they’re basically investments. The donors give money expecting to get more money in return. This is quite different from the kinds of donations I occasionally give to political candidates. I do it because I have policies that I’d like to see pursued that will be advantageous to the country or to people in need. I don’t expect to ever see my money returned to me by the IRS with a huge interest payment attached. I think most people who give money to political causes are in the same category. Greed has nothing to do with it, and whatever self-interest there might be is broad enough to be of benefit to lots of people, not just the donor or the donor’s business.
The Republicans get a lot of these types of donations, but they’re ultimately beholden only to the folks that cut the large checks. That’s why they feel compelled to pass a huge corporate tax cut even though the people clearly think it’s bad policy and reject it.
So, the GOP will try to ram home this tax bill before Christmas and before Doug Jones can take his seat in the U.S. Senate. They’ll be navigating through some serious crosswinds, though, as every signal they’re getting but one is telling them not to enact this law.
There is no guarantee that they’ll be able to get the unanimity they need to get this done.
Wowowow. O.O
I wonder if they’re getting tired of all the winning yet?
Yes, we all know the Neoprogressive narrative:
Neoliberal neoconservative neocentrism is the worst evil, and the Democratic party is the party pushing it.
Pay no attention to that right-wing theocratic authoritarian fascism behind the curtain.
And when I say behind the curtain, what I mean is right out in the open running the government.
But the narrative must be maintained at all costs. Always, and forever.
Also: F̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶N̶e̶w̶s̶ deep state media.
What a relief that the vast majority of the Democratic party isn’t with you on forming another circular firing squad. That’s truly the last thing we need. Of course we must focus on nominating good Democrats. But when election time rolls around, whomever won the nomination, our job is to back them with everything we’ve got. Imperfect as many Democrats are, they are without question far better than Republicans. I’d like to see every Democrat in office repeat the following message as often as possible: Republicans are dangerous and irresponsible. They must not be allowed anywhere near the levers of government.
For a moment there I thought I was reading Davis X Machina. All that was missing was some reference to “who do Democrats hate?” Anyhoo, enjoyed the snark.
I saw something this morning that Rand Paul is opposing it, although I’m not sure the sourcing was real reliable, apparently over deficit “concerns.” He and Corker would be enough to sink it, yes?
Depends on when/if they seat Jones. If they delay that, then McTortoise can lose those two and get Sharia Mike to break the tie.
It’s why Jones won’t get seated until after the final vote.
I still expect every “wavering” GOP senator to fall into line. Short of Maine voters burning down whatever residence Collins keeps in Maine, she’ll hem and haw in order to feed the Villagers their dear-held perception of her as a “moderate” but then she’ll fall into line. Paul will be no different; it might take another pissed off neighbor to beat a “no” vote out of him. I’d normally say the same thing about Corker but if what’s rumored to be the conference committee bill is true, he might actually display some of that integrity every other GOP senator lacks.
Don’t know why you think Collins is so certain to fall in line. Where’s the pressure on her? She doesn’t need the GOP; she could become a Dem or an independent and win re-election easily. Which also means she doesn’t need the big national party donors.
What she DOES need is the support of her constituents, who are telling her not to sign onto this dumpster fire in no uncertain terms. Which is why she opposed all the ACA repeal bills.
The only reason she would vote for this is if she actually believes it’s the right thing to do. I don’t know her feelings on the matter, but any positive ones are not in line with the people who vote for her.
The tax cut bill all but sinks Obamacare by ending the individual mandate and I’m not sure Collins would be on board with that, given her form opposition to the healthcare bill previously. She’s also opposed to doing away with the SALT deduction and several other proposed elements of this wretched bill. So I count her a maybe/maybe not. Right now, I think it’s just Corker and Flake with Rand being his usual showboat nothing burger of a principled objection. He always folds.
Also, unrelated to Collins, I’m not sure that arbitrarily limiting the pass-through provision just to wealthy, large pass through entities would be entirely legal since it creates an arbitrary, structural inequity in these types of companies that could be open to legal challenge.
Reportedly, Collins is happy with the “compromise” $10,000 limit on combined income & property tax that is in the reconciliation bill.
I thought she was running for governor, not reelection to the Senate.
In which case, local concerns will be more important than national.
She has decided against running for governor, will stay in Senate.
Possibly. Mc Cain was back in the hospital yesterday (Wednesday).
So maybe the GOP does not manage to pass the tax bill – and their money spigots will close in consequence – and after that, their influence with the public will be diminished, because they have less money. And also because they are seen as bought and paid for. One can have dreams, no?
And if they DO manage to pass this tax bill, it’ll probably be even worse for them.
So, yeah, dream away. The GOP is completely screwed in 2018 no matter what they do.
I would love to believe what you say is true, but I’m not seeing how passing this bill is even worse for the GOP.
Not trolling or snarking. I’m not seeing the net negative for the GOP if they pass this, which I think they will.
I thought most pols these days work for the 1%. If the bill passes, the 1% will continue to throw money at them. Where’s the downside? That they’ll be “unpopular” with their constituents… who mostly can be relied on to pull the lever for them no matter what?
Again, not trolling or snark. Not seeing the downside. I am getting a cold today, so maybe I’m just missing something.
Thanks.
I think yesterday’s election and the recent races in Virginia, Oklahoma and to an extent even New Jersey show there are consequences to being far outside the mainstream of public opinion. That can get patched over to a degree by having their own propaganda network, a bit by suppressing minority votes, and a good deal more when there is apathy in our ranks. But when people get angry, things shift quickly.
Right now at least a few thoughtful Republicans have got to be shitting bricks. A few must be wondering if it really makes sense to vote for this pig.
I’m with you.
Many of the negative impacts will not be felt for some time. So that the link between the godawful bill and harm will not be straight and clear, allowing Republicans to blame somebody or something else and escape accountability.
What they don’t seem to recognize is that having donors close their pocketbooks is the least of their problems.
Once this catastrophe is signed they’ll have to live with results that no amount of big donors bucks can fix.
Even FOX’s attempts at magic coverups will fall apart as Republican voters get their tax bills. There’s only so long that the Obama economy can withstand their attacks.
Not seeing how “living with the results” will magically translate into big problems for the GOP? Just because GOP riff-raff – and only some of the peons, not all – are opposed to this bill NOW doesn’t automatically mean that they’ll be upset later.
Frankly, if the Obamacare repeal had passed, I doubt GOP voters would’ve been that upset even as they lost their health care.
Pissing off liberals, minorities, women and Muslims trumps all for GOP voters. This bill delivers so much on that basis. I just don’t see GOP pols being spanked for this.
Just my take. Would love to be wrong, but…
We’re seeing it in the mid-terms. Even the ones in with the Rs won, they were still at least 10 points behind where one would expect them to be based on prior results. That’s the sort of result that translates into political tidal waves.
Still not seeing where anyone in the rank and file has even read this thing.
They’ll read their tax bills.
Where are the Democratic Party Harry and Louise ads?
Harry: I guess this is the last Christmas we can get presents for the grandkids.
Louise: you read about Senator Rubio saying that social security and Medicare will have to cut after they give all these corporate and Republican donor tax cuts?
Harry: yup, our taxes go up and then the Social Security taxes go up.
Louise: but Trump said he wouldn’t cut Social Security.
Harry: you mean he may have lied about that?
SS checks get cut.
May our party one day be smart and balsy enough to run ads like that. We should be hammering them so much harder over this crap. I’m not sure why Chuck and Nancy don’t tell Republicans that if they pass this pig, they’d better plan on raising the debt ceiling with Republican votes alone.
I’m not sure why Chuck and Nancy don’t tell Republicans that if they pass this pig, they’d better plan on raising the debt ceiling with Republican votes alone
Indeed… no mention at all of using their debt ceiling leverage over this bill. It’s almost as if their donors might actually benefit from this tax scam bill passing.
Honestly, this bill is so bad, and so punishing to blue state voters, I would expect that both of them would be on their respective floors, with a lit Molotov cocktail in their hands threatening to blow the whole place up. Really, this is not the time to leave their “powder dry”.
Playing chicken with the debt ceiling is not a good idea.
I think you’re right about that 99% of the time. There are circumstances where a party should be willing to set a red line and shut things down but they’re rare.
I’d love to see a party play chicken on the debt ceiling to eliminate the debt ceiling though.
Well I think technically it’s the tea party caucus that is playing chicken with the debt ceiling. Democrats shouldn’t be expected to provide votes to the Republican majority without getting something in return. Now you can argue tactics about what they should be asking for, but at this point why not throw the partisan ball back in to the Republicans face? If the Republicans want to rush a sweeping re-distribution of wealth upwards to the billionaire oligarchs who fund their party without holding a single hearing or compromising an inch with Democrats, I say let them figure out how to do the same with the debt ceiling. And if they can’t, then Chuck and Nancy should at least get a few week delay on the tax vote for providing some Democratic votes for the debt ceiling. They aren’t going to get points for playing nice on this one.
How is it playing chicken? The Democrats are in the minority in both the House and Senate. They have next to no power. Is it the Democrats fault that the majority party can’t pass a bill?
The Democrats could refuse a motion to proceed unless they get concessions from Republicans. That would be playing chicken and arguably irresponsible.
What you’re talking about is voting for the actual bill. The Democrats have zero responsibility to do that. It is, as you say, all on the Republicans. If they can’t do that, they’ll be coming to the Democrats hat in hand.
That’s just the thing though. If we had a responsible press in this country, they’d point out how the GOP is continually fucking things up. The Democrats wouldn’t be responsible for a government shutdown at all.
I’d like to see a poll of who people think was the (negative) energy behind the 2016 election:
The Russians
The media
The candidates
Etc.
Or maybe what people are thinking the greatest forces against democracy in America are:
The Republican Party
Voter suppression
The US constitution
Fox News specifically
The media generally
The Senate
The Supreme Court
Still not seeing where anyone in the rank and file has even read this thing Read it, They haven’t even written it . How can they read it?
Exactly.
Whatever the final product is, it will be scrawled in illegible handwriting so that no one – no Senator, nobody at the CBO, or heaven forfend, the public – will be able to read a word of it.
The more I sit with the present state of national politics, the more it seems like we’ve fallen through the looking glass. Trump in the White House? Really? Republicans lining up behind one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation ever? Seriously?
Having no ideas is better than having really bad ones. God willing, a big dose of reality is about to whack them upside the head. I’m reminded of that political moment in California just before the Republicans lost the trust of the electorate. That was better than 20 years ago. They’ve not won it back. The real competition in the Golden State these days is between centrist and liberal Democrats. May the tide finally turn at the national level. I believe it will eventually. Not sure if we’re quite there yet.
Current news says the compromise has been reached between the House and Senate on the tax bill, and it could be brought to a vote Monday. The corporate break won’t be 20%, no, they reined it in to 21%. And the health care requirement for enrollment will end, thus ending the availability of health care for millions.
Hitting the phones again. It’s grim and ugly and we cannot rest until we beat these SOBs.
So what’s the driver behind this? Who is ultimately to blame for all the insanity? The ultra rich.
I probably won’t live long enough to see the hoarding of huge gobs of money to be listed as a psychiatric disorder in the DSM, but really ought to be. It’s inflicts enormous damage on the hoarder, on society, and on democracy (a danger to one’s self and others).
From The Guardian last summer:
“At a weekend donor retreat attended by at least 18 elected officials [including Senator Cory Gardner, fundraiser for Republican Senators], the Koch brothers warned that time is running out to push their agenda, most notably healthcare and tax reform, through Congress.
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One Texas-based donor warned Republican lawmakers that his ‘Dallas piggy bank’ was now closed, until he saw legislative progress.”
It’s called black mail, pure and simple.
‘Get Obamacare repealed and replaced, get tax reform passed,’ said Doug Deason. “Get it done and we’ll open it back up.”
Somehow this long quote got mangled when it went from preview to post. I am the one who made the blackmail comment, not the Guardian.
The GOP is less a political party, operating more like a criminal racketeering organization, evading and breaking laws at will. Actual governance is not on its agenda; its sole purpose is transferring wealth into the pockets of its benefactors, period.