Read It. Read all of it and don’t stop to take notes – highlight or abstract anything – on the first read. That’s the best way to limit one’s bias, avoid overvaluing what may be minor, and get a gestalt perspective.
A few things stand out from a first read.
Issue One – Prevezon
Simpson was far more sure-footed in addressing questions about Prevezon than anything else. He didn’t struggle with any direct questions on it and was forthcoming and expansive. Any “I don’t know” or “I don’t recall” answers sound truthful. My overall sense on the Prevezon questions was that counsel appropriately asked for clarification on a question but there were few, if any, objections and instructions not to answer the question.
Why this is fascinating is that Simpson/Fusion was on the opposite side from the USG, Bill Browder, and the Magnitsky Act, all of which allege that the Russian Government was the malefactor.
Natalya Veselnitskaya, Prevezon’s Russian attorney, hired the BakerHostetler law firm, and BakerHostetler in turn hired Fusion GPS to as Simpson repeatedly said, find the truth. Simpson/Fusion’s task and how they went about it is well-detailed in Simpson’s testimony, including the hiring of a PR firm. The data collected and analysis of it appears solid to me even after factoring who was paying them.
Note: possible reasons why Simpson freely discussed Prevezon (facts that I don’t recall Simpson citing in his interview) are 1) BakerHostetler was bounced from the case by the 2nd Circuit in October 2016. (“Prevezon was represented at the 2nd Circuit by Michael Mukasey of Debevoise & Plimpton,”). 2) The case was settled in May 2017. Prevezon was represented by Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan
Issue Two – Senator Grassley’s outrage that Senator Feinstein unilaterally released the transcript.
Grassley is right on this. All subsequent interviews with relevant parties have been compromised or contaminated. OTOH, as the committee was given a decent partial road-map on who and what to ask of other parties, moving at a glacial pace shouldn’t have been an option. Four months should have been an adequate amount of time to complete that work. However, the release probably means that too much has been lost and will never be captured.
Given the significant amount of time spent on Prevezon and the bi-partisan congressional position on it, Grassley is unlikely to have considered that Feinstein would act in this manner.
Issue Three – hard/factual data/information that Simpson added to what is already available.
As to be expected from a non-voluntary witness, Simpson declined to answer many questions. His counsel objected to many more and Simpson rarely, if ever, over-ruled counsel and answered the question. Recall this interview on 8/22/17 was before it became publicly known that 1) Fusion’s first client for Trump oppo research was only identified as an individual Republican 2) Perkins Coie contracted with Fusion for oppo research on Trump and 3) Perkins Coie’s client was the Hillary campaign and DNC. Simpson declined to reveal any of that. (A House Intelligence committee subpoena for Fusion’s bank records shook some of that loose in October. The Hill, 1/5/18: A congressional lawyer said Friday that TD Bank “produced all remaining responsive documents” to the House Intelligence Committee under the terms of a confidential settlement, CNN reported. This was after a federal judge declined Fusion’s request to quash the subpoena.)
According to Simpson (all of which can be confirmed) and seem not to have been previously disclosed (at least not that I’ve seen):
- Fusion/Simpson was a media source during the campaign on Trump-Russia.
- Steele met with the FBI in Rome in September. (He also met with the FBI early in July but i don’t recall if the location of that meeting was defined.) These were meetings that Simpson knew had taken place and he did allow that there may have been other Steele-FBI meetings. Why Rome? (Simpson did state that Fusion had not paid for Steele’s travel expenses to Rome.) Somebodies have a some ‘splain-in to do on this.
From the above, refuting that the FBI investigation was not prompted by Steele’s dossier just got a hundred times more difficult and implausible. It also makes the old report that it was initiated by Carter Page’s travel and the recent report that it was Papadopoulus’ shenanigans that initiated it more curious.
Four – a connect a dot:
HuffPo on Shattered
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Soon after Clinton’s defeat, top strategists decided where to place the blame. “Within 24 hours of her concession speech,” the authors report, campaign manager Robby Mook and campaign chair John Podesta “assembled her communications team at the Brooklyn headquarters to engineer the case that the election wasn’t entirely on the up-and-up. For a couple of hours, with Shake Shack containers littering the room, they went over the script they would pitch to the press and the public. Already, Russian hacking was the centerpiece of the argument.”
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A lavishly-funded example is the “Moscow Project,” a mega-spin effort that surfaced in midwinter as a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund. It’s led by Neera Tanden, a self-described “loyal solider” for Clinton who also runs the Center for American Progress (where she succeeded Podesta as president). The Center’s board includes several billionaires.
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Is it plausible that Podesta didn’t receive Steele’s reports shortly after they were issued? My one strong impression from reading the Podesta files is that he was the adult in the room. No way would he have allowed his or the campaign’s fingerprints on Steele’s reports during the campaign. Thus, Simpson was used to toss out hints to the media. As it developed, the hints didn’t have enough solid substance for the Trump-Russia story to gain the traction needed to take Trump out.
Is it credible that Steele all on his own took his reports to the FBI as Simpson claimed in the interview? Based on the current public disclosures, I’m not about to go out on a limb one way or another on that question. What I will tackle is Simpson’s testimony on the Steele’s dossier and Russia election interference in a separate diary.
This analysis is ill-informed and ridiculous.
Care to offer any evidence and arguments for your opinion? Guess it’s a step up from calling me a “Russia-Putin shill/flunkie/etc.” but not much of a step (and you’d be hard-pressed not to similarly label Glenn Simpson if you read his testimony on Prevezon).
Approvingly citing Louise Mensch was both ill-informed and ridiculous (I promise not to call you out on that blooper again). AL Senate race — gee, you missed that one.
I’m happy to have a civil conversation about what I’ve written — but not when the opening gambit is name calling or an unsupported blanket dismissal.
It’s your responsibility to persuade the community hosted by BooMan. It’s not the responsibility of the host or others in the community to come up with reasons why we find your analysis ill-informed and ridiculous.
Your analysis has retreated from rationality. Having back-and-forth discussions with you about your quarrelsome and evasive views is unpleasant and unproductive. In fact, you’ve imperiously demanded that I avoid engaging with you. I’ve grown to see the general merit of that tack.
All in all, it’s been a disappointing deterioration in your reasoning skills. Something has broken you and placed you in this constant bad faith position with this community. You even argue constantly with your few contrarian allies here.
There’s a metaphor worth employing here: If someone calls you a horse, shine it on. If three people call you a horse, begin paying attention. If ten people call you a horse, buy a saddle.
blah, blah, blah — attack me, attack me, attack me with no reference to anything I wrote in this diary except for your blanket opening sentence. That one reveals that you can’t differentiate between persuasive and descriptive speech.
Read the full transcript yourself as I urged readers to do. Then come back and challenge my descriptions. I made no arguments in this diary (gee — no wonder you couldn’t find any). Offered a few logical conclusions that follow from what transpired in the interview, but didn’t set any of them as solid, set-in-concrete conclusions even for me. Too much information is missing to do that. (I leave the sketchy facts (including guilt by association) leaps to declarative statements of guilt-indict-convict-lock ’em up to those like you with crystal balls.)
Okay — you got me to respond by taking another dump on me. Bully for you. FYI there’s nothing that you will ever be able to say to me that will ever change what I know about myself and that’s completely consistent with all of the real-life feedback, etc. that I’ve received. One thing is that I’m actually very nice and generous with my time. My time doesn’t include engaging with those spoiling for a fight. Their frustration isn’t my problem.
Your shallow attacks on our blog host, which you immediately follow with a deceptive attempt to claim you are the one taking the high road in your relationship with him, demonstrate your bad faith and flawed methods of argumentation.
Again, it’s your responsibility to persuade. It’s not Martin’s responsibility to lay out his critiques. Here at the Frog Pond he’s consistently laid out as his prime responsibility his front page diary posts. He’s never taken a major role in the comments; he’s largely left that to the community.
Your initial demand that we acquiesce to you and read the transcript under very specific conditions you demand of us is off-putting and weird. Your claim that the method you demand we employ in reading the transcript will reduce biases and improve perspectives is poorly founded. And your claim in this last comment that “…you made no arguments in this diary…” is completely untrue.
You know what else is offputting and weird? Your “Ooh you made me respond to you again even though I told you I wouldn’t now I’ll stop responding to you” routine. You’ve done that about a dozen times now.
Didn’t read it. TLDR. Spending more attention on the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities in our microprocessors produced since the mid ’90s. Twenty years of vulnerability that no one knew of is one thing, but now the problems are well known and test code is all over the web. Therefore I had not commented, preferring to read your comments and counter-arguments. But there were no counter-arguments.
Did Booman get out of bed grumpy or something? You had a right to be angry. He’s done that to me, just posting “You’re stupid.” as if that were legitimate debate. Let it roll off. When the only counter-argument you get is personal insult, you know the other side has no defense.
Is it something to do with the weather? On the technical forums, people are also stooping to gratuitous insult instead of technical points. Maybe the country does take on the character of the President.
Would you care to talk about Meltdown and Spectre? I promise not to be insulting first or to talk down to you.
wrt Spectrum and Meltdown not even close to anything I know about and off-topic here. If you write a diary, I’ll do my best to participate.
On the other matter — In public forums, started with the ditto-heads but has since migrated and proliferated with the internet – comment sections, anti-social media, and blogs. Outside of ditto-heads, I first encountered it in 2003. Always the same type — stuck in their own team’s box and intolerant of rational discourse outside their box and their particular limited knowledge base. What adds to the toxicity is an inability to agree to disagree, others are either with them or against them, and conflict is always a win/lose proposition and they can’t tolerate losing. Many smart people have given up on on-line participation because of all the immature bullying.
The technical issues are hard for me too since my knowledge is based on one single graduate course in microprocessor design taken circa 1980 and never put into practical use to reinforce it. Mostly good for following the politics of the situation, (Is EVERYTHING politics?).
I quite agree with you and have quit several times. Why do these morons bother? My mind is not completely open, it does hold convictions, but since participating in blogs for the last fourteen years, I have been persuaded to change my opinions and world view substantially. The core principle and world view remain.
Regarding the Cold War, I think there are no black and white players. The situation is very much like the faceoff between the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire and between Imperial Germany and Imperial Russia. The growth, maturity and decline of all these strongly parallels the growth, maturity and decline of this organization.
Many on the Left romanticize the USSR because it was avowedly Marxist. This is as wrong as whitewashing the organization cited above because it was Italian, which also happens.
Regarding this blog, it might be good to take a breather for a few weeks. I’m really sorry that it has degenerated so much since the 2016 campaign. Everything the Clintons touch turns to crap.
I cut the 1930s US leftists some slack because they really didn’t know what was going on in the USSR — information wasn’t so free back then. It’s sort of like those in the US that strongly believe in capitalism and democracy because as practiced in the US, it’s been or they believe it has been good for them and from that believe it’s what the USG and corporations export to other countries. If only the dumb people in those countries wouldn’t resist the butt of the gun and get on-board with their US chosen dictator, life would be beautiful.
Of course there were. If one recognizes it for what it is — US/western capitalism v. communism/socialism — instead of a simplistic US v. USSR. While there were US domestic antecedents (and TPTB were fighting them), US v. USSR began in 1917. The USG locked up Eugene Debs for god’s sake. The US was the only major industrialized country that came out of WWII intact. And who did we then help? The ally that we couldn’t possibly have done without and that paid a huge price? ha ha.
We have been the numero uno black hat. White hats: Jacobo Arbenz, Salvador Allende, Moseddegh, Fidel Castro. Aguilera, Torrojas, and Lumumba. Ho Chi Minh. Stephen Kinzer’s “Overthrow” is an excellent primer.
US corporations need cheap natural resources and cheap labor. The MIC needs enemies. A marriage made in heaven even as they rape, pillage, and destroy the earth. But Americans are fat and happy — stuffed with more consumer crap than any other other peoples on earth have ever known — and barely whispered a cri de coeur as they trotted down to their polling stations to exercise their democracy and cast a vote for Hillary or Trump.
Probably not a good idea to personalize either party. One could say that everything the GOP has touched since the 1920s has turned to crap. Wiping away the Democratic New Dealers wasn’t a project with many hands. The Clintons just ended up at the top of the heap because they were the most ambitious, greedy, and power obsessed. And New Deal Democratic voters were too complacent or ill-informed or dumb to see what the party had become and was doing until it was late in the takeover. Sanders is no more than a milquetoast New Dealer and even that small correction is unacceptable to more than half the Democratic primary voters. We can only surmise that it’s not too much for over half the GE electorate, but that wasn’t on offer.
Look at this day:
Brookings
Did the Qatari government funded Brookings Institute expect a “yes” or qualified yes answer?
Martin Luther King, Jr. Spent The Last Year Of His Life Detested By The Liberal Establishment
USA/USSR were never really allies. More like “the enemy of my enemy” on both sides.
Ah geez — WWII Allies. What made the USSR “our enemy” in 1939? If FDR and his team hadn’t figured that out (the Kremlin was ahead of them because they did attempt to join the Allies then), a working ally relationship with Stalin couldn’t have been formed in ’41. In the full meaning of ally, the US and USSR were WWII allies (the others weren’t worth a damn). A fact that at least from the beginning of the end of WWII the US has worked hard to erase from history. (A very successful erasure for the rubes in this country — at best only one out of ten know that the USSR was a critical member of the Allies.)
They only had one goal in common – defeating Hitler. For survival in the case of the USSR. For honor in the case of the USA I’d like to say, but powerful economic interests were probably the real reason. In any event Hitler conveniently declared war on the USA after we declared war on Japan after Japan declared war on us (one hour too late to have Pearl Harbor be “legal”). Italy followed Germany a few days late, undoubtedly on orders from Berlin. Il Duce was sort of a Trump character but not as dumb as The Donald.
Sometimes Wikipedia is a poor source for historical context when I linked through to Declaration by “United Nations”.
Due to its length, see the post in full in my diary …
○ The Deep State Under JFK in 1963
It’s good enough for lists that are easy to document and that’s all wanted in this instance.
Overall, it’s a surprisingly good quick-and-dirty reference resource. Much better than most in putting up a caution notice on entries. Wouldn’t use it as a reference for a paper, but I would say the same for many published reports and many that you cite.
Every word is golden.
Except one sentence should have read:
Wiping away the Democratic New Dealers was a project with many hands.
I took the original to mean that there weren’t many defenders so it was easy.
Compensating errors to get to the correct place.
Reminds me a a field employee from years ago that always made two errors in his calculation with the second canceling out the first. Weirdest thing — like a subconscious auto-correct.