Josh Marshall wants us to look at Michael Wolff as a spy who used cunning, guile, and flattery to gain close to unfettered access to the West Wing. I think that’s a fair point because the most important fact that the Trump administration should have understood about Wolff, but didn’t, is that he had used the same approach to get access to Rupert Murdoch and then had published a vicious biography of the man. So, we can think of Wolff as a spy because he was gathering information with which to hurt the highest echelon of the U.S. government. Of course, I don’t mean to imply some lack of loyalty or patriotism in Wolff. It’s just that there’s a similarity to the world of espionage. And it’s relevant, as Marshall insists, because if the administration is vulnerable to penetration from a sycophantic U.S. journalist, then they’re probably vulnerable to foreign assets using similar approaches.
Marshall suggests that this might be the real story behind the Russia story. Rather than something sophisticated and closely coordinated, the collusion may have been more a function of a loosely organized, unworldly, unethical, and greedy campaign family and staff that was so susceptible to simple enticements that it didn’t take much work for the Russians to ensnare them in compromising positions.
This would be a different kind of story from the one that would help explain Trump’s shocking victory. Instead of a story about how Russian intelligence hacked the Democratic Party and disseminated the information through WikiLeaks to the Trump campaign and the world, and rather than a story about the generation of fake news and the purchase of illegal political advertising laser-targeted to key districts and demographics, this story would be about the cultivation and ultimate compromise of key figures in the campaign who were on a path to have a foreign policy role. The big fish was obviously Michael Flynn, who became the national security adviser, but Carter Page and George Papadapoulos both were on a path to serve in key roles. Compromising Kushner and Trump Jr., was an added bonus, especially considering Kushner’s eventual portfolio covering the Middle East.
Of course, if we’re telling the story this way, the hiring of Paul Manafort, who was as thoroughly compromised by and indebted to Russian oligarchs as it is possible to be, isn’t about witting collusion but mind-bending naivety.
This is one possible rejoinder to Glenn Greenwald’s question about the Russian probe so far:
“Some Russians wanted to help Trump win the election, and certain people connected to the Trump campaign were receptive to receiving that help. Who the fuck cares about that?”
Setting aside that tens of millions of Americans care quite a lot about that, even if you minimize the whole grand conspiracy down to the level that Marshall describes, what you’re left with is an administration that allowed itself to be penetrated and compromised much in the way that Michael Wolff compromised them. Except it was far more serious to have a compromised national security adviser than it was to have top White House staffer like Steve Bannon speaking to a reporter on the record and out of school.
Personally, I think the coordination went deeper than this. I suspect that voting data was shared that made it possible to target certain key parts of the electorate for saturation propaganda efforts. The timing of the release of WikiLeaks material may also have been a cooperative effort. And I don’t discount the possibility that the Russians have compromising information on the president.
But, I think we have reason to care about even the lesser version of this story. If the administration can’t protect itself against a person like Michael Wolff, it certainly can’t protect itself against sophisticated foreign intelligence services. In fact, it’s already clear that they haven’t protected themselves, or us.
“…unworldly, unethical, and greedy campaign family and staff…susceptible to simple enticements”
We should care because a good portion of our media and 40 percent of the electorate sees said family and staff as scions of American society.
I am sure the Russians aren’t the only one ones to figure this out and it is probably the reason a lot of micro-Trump’s at the state and local levels have gotten their campaigns funded because domestic and foreign actors are gladly manipulating this horde of dimwitted paper tigers who thrive off getting the same tired cultural signals (interviews, profiles, unearned money, access, etc.) that make them think they are “elites.”
In short, they are, at best, Useful Idiots.
I’ve assumed ever since the Wolff story burst upon us that, yes, foreign intelligence assets — not just of Russia — have been inserted into the White House with stunning ease.
I used to think Glenn Greenwald was capable of making a coherent point. What was wrong with me back then?
Not proud of this, but I rate somebody’s political judgement and resistance to bullshit based on when they figured out that GG was completely full of shit.
During the Bush admin: Impressive.
Obama’s first term: Ok.
Second term: ehhhh….
Still credulously accept everything he writes: Dumb as a box of hammers.
Glen’s problem is his mind can’t hold that two things can be true at the same time. Or in this case, a whole bunch of things can be true simultaneously.
Yes, our political system is fucked. Yes, Democrats are way too craven and beholden to wealthy interests. Yes, a lot of ordinary people feel alienated and ready to blow everything the fuck up. Yes, Democrats have done a poor job of connecting with this anger, even after Occupy might have allowed for an opening and outreach. Yes, Clinton ran a shitty establishment campaign. Yes, the whole thing is rancid. And — Trump likely colluded with Russia. And yes — we need to protect the integrity of our electoral process (even if both parties suck).
And one more little factoid that Bernie Bros and guys like Greenwald ignore. Democrats may suck but they’re at least sane. Republicans should never be allowed anywhere near the levers of power because the very survival of our world is at stake. Greenwald is a simpleton in that he can’t see that. Same for others on the left who don’t get it.
As Marcos said back in 2000, we need to work hard to unseat half-hearted Democrats through the primaries. Then, when those fights are done, we need to band together behind whomever wins. Even if her name is Hillary.
I think the mistake you make is that you think Glenwald wants `liberals’ elected.
He doesn’t. He is a right leaning libertarian, who believes having Trump blow up the country will allow Rand Paul to step in and create a libertarian paradise.
He will prove this thesis in 2019, when the democratic nominee will not quite be pure enough. And if it’s a woman, and not a white male? They will be Satan’s minion incarnate.
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. . . admin”. (So it’s actually not impressive at all to have concluded he was then.)
He provided a needed challenge to the anti-constitutional (specifically, 4th amendment) national security state when all our institutions including the “establishments” of both parties plus the Corporate Media were hiding from their shadows after 9/11. Unwarranted (literally) violations absent showing of probable cause are ongoing to this day.
Sadly, he also proved to be a purist extremist lacking any sense of proportion or ability to weigh consequences of potential outcomes.
No, I think you’re mistaken. GG was completely, utterly full of shit during the Bush admin. He wasn’t generally wrong. 99% of what he was saying was exactly what critics of the neocons wanted to hear. That’s why recognizing his bullshit back in those days is impressive to me.
Because even then he was relentlessly disingenuous, misrepresenting every argument against him, refusing to admit error, and as you say completely lacking any sense of proportion.
It’s easy to cheer that on when you agree with his fundamental position. It’s easy to get suckered in. He’s kicking ass and taking names! Who cares if he’s intellectually dishonest when he’s fundamentally on the right side and using his dishonesty against people that totally suck? Why care that he’s playing the part of an advocate at law, grabbing on to any bit of corroborating evidence to prove his case? Let the judges sort out whether the evidence is reliable or not.
If you recognized that he wasn’t a trustworthy interlocutor at the time when you agreed with more or less everything he was saying, then good on you. Because he hasn’t changed. His disrespect for the truth hasn’t changed. His inability to admit error hasn’t changed. The only thing that’s changed is now there are issues where, in addition to his other problems, he’s obviously also wrong.
You can’t pay me enough to go digging through the wayback machine to relive the time when I realized one of my heroes was full of shit. Everybody has a differently tuned bullshit detector.
Remember during those years when he would go on progressive blogs and shit on everyone because they called him on his crap? He used to go on Lawyers, Guns, and Money and act like a child in the comments.
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Greenwald’s actions during the Bradley Manning arrest and imprisonment did it for me. He was quick to latch onto Manning (in order to enhance his own reputation) and often misrepresented Bradley’s treatment in prison. And he’s often quick to unleash unprincipled attacks on people who challenge him.
https:/www.wired.com/2010/12/greenwald
Thanks for the link.
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Yes, Booman, this re-framing is important.
But (granted I haven’t read Wolff’s book yet, but I’ve read a lot about it) there’s another theme of his that’s left out of your analysis, and I wonder how it would fit in:
It is that neither Trump nor his campaign people seriously thought he would win. This may be corroborated by the observation, widely noted at the time, that Trump’s first reaction to news of victory was far from elation.
” …he admitted privately that he had not expected to win, given the final polls. He was surprised by the result; but surprise is not what we see on his face. Surprise is a rapid emotion, and there was plenty of time to get over it during the cThe sadness is peculiar to Trump. It is not shown on the faces of his running-mate Mike Pence or of his family. Almost certainly it is an unconscious emotion.
“The sadness is peculiar to Trump. It is not shown on the faces of his running-mate Mike Pence or of his family. Almost certainly it is an unconscious emotion.”
Now there are a lot of possible wrinkles to this. Maybe some of Trump’s people knew more about what was going on than Trump did (very possible). Maybe Trump really wanted to be president and really thought he could be, at first, but had no idea what it would really involve (very possible). Maybe the Russians and those directly working with them had gotten way ahead of Trump in their psy-op work. Maybe it was at the moment of victory that Trump suddenly realized that this wasn’t just a TV show (a rare realization for him, perhaps, but if he would ever have it, it would have been at that moment.)And of course nobody could know for sure that he was going to win, but some could have been a lot less surprised than most other people.
I don’t know, but this is a very important part of Wolff’s interpretation, because it explains the way in which the collusion came about: For Trump, it was all about business, the whole campaign was to boost his profile to further his business interests with Russia and other countries, not actually to become president. And this I find quite believable. It explains why they were so reckless and sloppy, because they were not doing this fo him to become president, they were foing it for his business interests, which would not have the same implications if he were not actually president. In fact, this would better explain Trump’s apparent sadness at news of victory than mere “change of way of life.”
He has done his best to continue his business way of life, utterly incompatible with the presidency, but he cannot shake the compromising things that had been done and that actually got him there. Although one could argue that such thoughts and fears are far too sophisticated for Trump.
I’m just seeking enlightenment here, because this is an important point not accounted for.
Also, that comment by Glen Greenwald is priceless, as well as predictable.
What strikes me is this: losing a presidential election is the best way to ensure legal immunity for past misdeeds.
Trump has been doing business with mobsters and spies for decades. Well, how do you make yourself immune to all that legal exposure?
You don’t become president. That just makes you more exposed, in the long run. Instead, you run for president, deploying maximal personal animus against your opponents. You call them crooked, low-energy. You claim their father is an assassin.
And once you lose, you’re safe. If a Republican wins, they’re going to go easy on you because you’ve tapped into the rabid heart of their frothing base.
And if Clinton wins? Can you imagine how strongly she discourage her DOJ from engaging in a massive investigation of her Republican opponent? Hell, if a whisper of that reached the NYT, they’d call for her impeachment. Even if the investigation preceded her inauguration. CLINTON USES DOJ TO TARGET POLITICAL OPPONENT. Every single day. Every single press conference. For her entire term. Not worth it.
Nothing would’ve immunized Trump from legal consequence better than a Clinton victory.
Nah! They geek for whoever holds the power.
Many white voters, all across the country, ignored all the evidence and voted for him based on animus towards Obama and Clinton (family).
BBC did a story of a small town in the state of Washington – here is the link
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-42667659/the-missing-consequences-of-trump-s-immigration-
crackdown
It is incredible that the police chief says he voted for Trump and now regrets it. The signs of his incapacity to function were everywhere. The signs of his misogyny were everywhere.
I wonder if the Russians thought this far ahead of the psychology of a large fraction of US voters. Coming from India, it always amazes me how dumb a HUGE fraction of our electorate is. But I would still be surprised if the Russians thought of the outcome we got – they were probably primarily interested in damaging the credibility of Hillary when she became the president!
Your last sentence is dead-on. The Russians were playing a no-lose game: If Clinton wins she is a damaged candidate, hated by 40% of the electorate, and hobbled by an opponent who likely would not have conceded defeat (I cannot imagine his ego allowing him to do such a thing) and he would have spent the next 4 years screaming that he was robbed and claiming that Hillary’s presidency was illegitimate because of the 6 million votes cast by illegal aliens.
If Trump wins, the Russions get their guy as head of the American security apparatus, plus they get a completely dysfunctional U.S. government, incapable of doing anything constructive domestically or internationally.
No downside anywhere for the Russians.
To me it seems there were two Trump campaigns:
First, it was basically a hostile takeover attempt of Rightwing Media, but turned into a Holy-Shit-This-Guy-Could-Win scramble as the primaries drew to a close. Trump was very much on board with the first campaign, but how much he was involved with the second is unknown, but I think a lot of his serious staff were.
As to the sloppiness of it all, a hostile foreign power’s intelligence service could just shrug and say perfection is the enemy of good. If anything, the collusion was a slight shove off the ledge we’d already put ourselves on.
Sure, Russia has a few more, unenforced, sanctions on their heads, but western democracy hasn’t been this powerless in generations. I think we’re going to wake up in 2020, or more likely 2024, to a seismically different world stage.
Any true person of the Left will tell you that the dreaded powerlessness of western democracy is a good thing.
What’s to miss?
American hegemony.
Capitalist excess.
Militarism and violence.
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
Instead, say Спасибо!
I sometimes wonder if you and Arthur are the same person.
Probably not! But if so (and I don’t expect you to admit it), then you’re some kind of genius, and I tip my hat.
they make the opposite point every single time.
The exact opposite point, with exactly the same amount of nuance. That’s why I wonder …
Don’t you get it? Arthur is doing a send up of Davis.
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I left out the irony quotes around “democracy”.
You are such a ozornoy mal’chik!
Any true person of the left? I like it when western democracy is powerful. I like American hegemony. I think it leads to less militarism and violence, not more. And the only possible check on capitalist excess is western democracy. (That western democracies by and large have failed in many respects is irrelevant. It is the only alternative. Just like Democrats are the only alternative to Republicans.)
There has always been an empire or empires dominating human affairs. The most chaotic, violent periods in history are those times when there is no clear empire and several pretenders are fighting to be top dog. The end of British hegemony produced two world wars and the most violent period in human history. As brutal as the British Empire was in many respects, a world without a top dog is a lot worse.
I am Canadian so my family has either enjoyed being part of the British empire or the American empire for the past 150 years. It is the reason we have enjoyed better lives than 99.9% of the people who have ever lived on the planet.
The end of the American empire will not end hegemony. Every inch the Americans retreat will provide an inch of space for either the Russians or the Chinese. Don’t you think they will move to fill it? Do you believe Chinese hegemony will be better for anyone? Russian hegemony?
What kind of a world do you think we live in?
Davis is a satirist whose usual target is the ultra-leftist mindset that spouts the kneejerk sort of sentiments he posts in the comment you’re replying to. You need to read such comments as snark pushing that extreme to its clearly stupid limit.
Unfortunately there are self-described progressives (some right here at BT) who do in fact make those sorts of arguments in all dour dogmatic seriousness. Russians hacked our electoral process? We deserve it because Iran and the Shah! Et cetera.
Okay, then. Never mind, says Emily Letella. Sorry, Davis for misreading the message. Not sorry for the opinion I expressed.
A lot of folks who are new or newish here misinterpret Davis. After a while you sort of get the hang of his posts. 🙂
Your serious reply was a damned good one though, and a near-future where US hegemony is replaced by, well a number of would-be competitors vying for their own hegemony is one that will be marked by chaos, conflicts, and depending on how climate change in the next decade or two plays out, outright war to determine control of vital resources (water and arable land will be at a premium). The US will fall as a major power, as all major powers inevitably do. What replaces the US is not inevitably going to be better, as I think you note.
and some of us who aren’t new are fucking tired of his schtick. I admit Davis is less obnoxious than AG because he’s less verbose.
He also doesn’t go out of his way to insult and belittle other posters while preening himself on his own brilliance.
Bingo. Satire without the narcissism.
As I’ve posted before. Davis came up with this,
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The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of who will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.
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He is a genius.
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I’d’ve given you the 4 if you hadn’t messed up the blockquote.
They can’t all be hits. 🙂
I blame the Deep State, who forced HTML 5 down all of our throats, with the help of Victoria Nuland and the European Central Bank.
You get a bonus for the Nuland reference.
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One common thread that seems to run through the group that `does not care’ is that they themselves are compromised. They bought into every single republican and Russian (these days those two groups seem to be the same!) ploy to damage the future Clinton administration, from DNC emails to Clinton’s health. They downloaded the emails onto their hard drive (thusly making themselves party to a criminal conspiracy), actively spread talking points throughout the Internet, and did everything they could to under cut Clinton’s campaign.
Now they are `captured’. They have a choice….admit that they were duped, or continue on with neoliberal theme.
It’s going to take years and years to cleanse this problem. In many ways it’s worse than Trump, because as soon as 2019 comes along, they…and the Russians…..will be right back at it.
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Is it ok if I throw something at the tv now? I’ve been listening to that press conference and the dems are clearly the problem here. I’ve heard Sarah say it a dozen times or so. Gawd she grates me.
Probably best that they threw in the towel now. Do you think they really believe the Turtle’s promises?
Or, if he does come through, that Trump will not veto the standalone DACA bill, leaving Ryan and McConnell’s hands clean.
Tied to a funding bill it would be a lot harder for Trump to veto. But a standalone bill? HaHaHaHa.
But maybe Schumer figured this. He does know the players. But this way, he gets out of the pressure cooker and gets to tell Latinos and Progressives, “It’s all Trump’s fault! We came through for you!” And the (R) Senators and Representatives from high Latino population states can say the same. “It was Trump, not me. I voted for DACA.”
I doubt Trump will sign the bill if not tied to a shutdown. There will always be something wrong with it. I think Shummer knows this and he may not have backing to shut down the gov. It is a moral issue and unfortunately the Dems won’t play hardball, excepting those running for president and a few others. So how to arrange it so we all believe you’ve done all you can do. I hope I am wrong. It is a shame to hurt so many innocent people in favor of a fucking white nationalist wall.
OTOH the Dems lack the power to make any of it happen and in time shutting down the gov becomes irresponsible. So there is that.
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Basically the Democrats gave up nothing and got CHIP locked in for 6 years. That’s not a small thing.
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And they avoided being tagged for the shutdown. So we live for another day. This could go either way. But public opinion still favors the dreamers.
Just as a thought experiment, if you had to choose between CHIP and DACA, which would it be?
I ask because that might very well be the choice. Neither Trump nor congressional republicans want to help the dreamers, no matter what polls show, and they are not likely to pay a price for refusing to extend it. I think it is in the realm of possibility that Trump could veto a bill that helps them.
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I’m a hog – both of them and, to be honest, fuck the wall.I never really thought CHIP was in real trouble. If one had to choose I would pick that one. But the Daca program will directly harm families for no good reason, something I consider immoral. As I said above I think there is a good chance Trump will veto any agreement reached in deference to his base. That is why the shutdown and other funding is the only tool to possibly force it.
Another take,
mahablog
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Nice piece. I have a real hurt for that fucking wall. It is a symbol of hate and loved by our nazi assholes.