Some things are so unintentionally ironic that they defy simple description. Let me give you Exhibit A.
Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN EMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 17, 2018
If there was an informant on the Trump campaign, that informant presumably gathered some incriminating evidence. Following this informant’s leads could indeed lead to a scandal more serious than Watergate. But that’s obviously not what the president meant to convey when he wrote that tweet.
What he was suggesting is that he was a victim of a crime more serious than the 1972 burglary of the Democratic National Headquarters, which was then located in the Watergate complex. The government was spying on his campaign.
And, it’s true that it would a problem if the government was in the habit of embedding informers in the campaigns of people who are challenging them or their party’s power. David Frum has a pretty concise response to this line of thinking.
Trying to wrap my head around the claim that it somehow reflects badly on Obama that Trump's campaign was so riddled with agents of foreign powers that FBI felt compelled to investigate.
— David Frum (@davidfrum) May 17, 2018
I think Frum gets right to the heart of this issue here. From all the evidence we’ve seen so far, it looks like the FBI did not go looking into the Trump campaign’s Russian connections until after they were tipped off by the Australians that there was a problem. Specifically, the Australians told the FBI that George Papadopoulos knew the Russians had thousands of hacked emails that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton’s campaign long before any of those emails were released to the public.
That caused them to investigate. And when they started to investigate, they noticed Russian connections everywhere they looked. We know the bigger names on the list, like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Carter Page, but there many more connections. There were people like Tevfik Arif and Felix Sater and Michael Caputo and Boris Epshteyn. There was the Agalarov family. There were curious meetings between campaign leadership and the Russian ambassador and between members of Trump’s family and oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin. It was noticed that the Republican platform was changed to make it more amenable to Russia.
In retrospect, the FBI went to great lengths to limit their investigation, for example, by refusing to directly interview anyone under suspicion lest they tip off that an investigation was under way at all. But they did investigate, as that was their responsibility in a situation where a hostile foreign power was interjecting itself heavily into our election and potentially siding with one candidate over another. The counterintelligence folks are supposed to be on the lookout for attempts by foreign intelligence agencies to recruit or compromise American political figures, so some of this investigation could be considered an effort to help protect a potential Trump administration from compromise or blackmail.
An objective observer would argue that the FBI was too timid and complacent because they were operating on the assumption that Hillary Clinton would win the election. They were more concerned about the accusation that they hadn’t been tough enough on her than with the accusation that they’d failed to alert the public about what they knew about Trump. They were more concerned that aggressively investigating the Russia angle would give Trump a talking point (the one is he using now) than they were about blunting Russia’s efforts to assist him.
Yes, this is bigger than Watergate. But not because there was an informant inside Trump’s campaign.
I’m not sure what “probably no doubt” means but I’m going to use it the next time I need an excuse. “There’s probably no doubt that I already mailed that bill. I don’t know why it’s late.”
Well yes, Orange Julius still doesn’t have it straight that FBI investigations are not personal tools for presidents to wield against their opponents.
>> FBI investigations are not personal tools for presidents to wield against their opponents
no, historically, FBI investigations are personal tools for the FBI Director to wield against his opponents.
Well yes, J. Edgar was a bad guy. But this is no longer considered kosher.
Prove that, please.
AG
No kidding. I’d like to see credible links proving that as well.
Again: anyone who is deluded enough to believe that the FEEBS are the good guys who’ll “save” us, please share what you’re smoking.
It’d be nice if Mueller does more than a few more convictions, but I’m not holding my breath.
Here’s a clue: it was the FEEBS that enabled Trump to be elected… not so much the Russians… the FBI.
Think about that one for a while.
Oh goody! Gina Hapell is confirmed. Torture is ok I suppose, even Dems like it apparently.
Well, two Dems like it: Warner and Shaheen. The other four are up for re-election in states that went for Shitmidas — so I think it’d be wise to cut ’em some slack.
But Warner and Shaheen? Yeah, disappointed.
Vote was 54 to 45/ no dems with 6 dem vores. no dems no win. Nice.
Yeah. Let’s all clap our hands for TinkerDEMS awaiting them to “save” us from the meanie bully Republicans.
Always remember that when a Republican makes a Watergate comparison, their starting point is the assumption that Nixon was framed.
Looking back at the FBI investigation after all these months screams the question, what the hell was the goal? Were they just poking around checking people out thinking that, we’re just doing this to be fair? When the realization hit that there was Russian influence hiding in plain sight did they think to reach out to higher ups and add some sunlight? Was there even that conversation or did the whole thing about Hillary was going to win really put the whole crew on snooze?
In a bizarre sense there’s a teeny tiny part of me that recognizes if Hillary had won the Russian influence campaign might still be under wraps, and that’s pretty terrifying.
Disclosure: FWIW, I pretty much despise the Clintons and think they’re crooks. I thought HRC ran one of the nation’s sh*ttiest campaigns ever. Throw rocks at me if you want, but I do feel that there was bad meddling to keep Sanders from winning and out of the race.
I live in CA and was really on the fence about voting for Clinton – because it wouldn’t really matter all that much. I mean: CA. HRC would have won CA with or withut my vote.
When Comey slithered out from under his rock and hissed about re-opening the Clinton investigation mere days before the vote??? Well that clinched it for me. I literally held my nose and ticked off Clinton’s name on my ballot.
Mind you, I would have NEVER ever voted for that shithole Trump. No way.
I saw Comey on a Q&A news program while visiting Australia recently. They happen to have grown up journalists there who ask REAL questions: I know, right? How amazing. Even with a grown-azz journo asking him hard ball questions, Comey managed slither and slime his way into justifying his behavior. Eff you, Comey. Look at how THAT turned out!
NOW we come to learn that the Feebs (and they are feeble) were ALSO investigating Trump but didn’t wanna say anything…
Oh really?
How’s that working for all of us now?
Ergh. The FBI. What a buncha tools.
Believe me, I’m not holding my breath that anything much is going to actually come out of Mueller’s investigation. Yeah, ok. There have been convictions, so: good. But Trump being impeached? Ima taking a Wait ‘n See position.
<blockquuote> Ima taking a Wait ‘n See position.
Make sure it’s a comfortable one, RUKidding . Win, lose and/or cheat, this two-way bullshit match promises to drag along at least until the final results of the November election are in. And if neither party gains a true upper hand…or even the possibility of gaining or maintaining an upper hand…it will continue to make headlines but no real changes.
Watch.
Only some sort of real catastrophe will change things, and even then, probably for the worse.
AG
I doubt anything will happen. Even if the dms have a majority in the house and the senate, it won’t happen unless he really did shoot someone on fifth avenue. We just saw six Dems vote for Gina Haspel and swing the vote 54 to 45. WTF do we have a winning party or not.
. . . literally mean “literally”? Your fingers (or something!) were holding your nostrils closed as you marked your ballot? Literally???
Enquiring minds want to know!
Yes! I physically held my nose closed with two fingers, while also making a face, and ticked off the ballot for HRC. Not kidding. I was that disgusted with the entire shit show. UGH!!!!!
EFF you, Comey/FBI.
Worthless POS organization. Still pissed off by COINTELPRO.
Anyone who believes that the FEEBS are gunna “save” us from that orange shithole needs to share what yer smoking cuz we’re all gunna need it.
PTOUI!