At first it might seem odd that the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program [SNAP] program is overseen by the congressional agriculture committees. It’s a social welfare program and those committees are more well-known for their concern with livestock, commodities and international trade. But farmers grow the food that food stamp recipients eat, and they benefit from the existence of the program. This creates a happy circumstance where a lot of rural voters and politicians representing very conservative constituencies are consistently paired with urban politicians and constituencies to protect the program.
In conservative ideology, anyone who gets something for free is a freeloader who exploits the system. So, conservative politicians tend to want to trim back even earned entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, and they certainly don’t like Medicaid. But if it helps farmers, they have traditionally been willing to go along. That’s why you see bipartisan support for milk subsidies, for example.
In recent years, this unusual alliance of rural and urban interest has begun to break down. And today the House of Representatives failed to pass their Farm Bill because it included an attack on the food stamp program. The first problem was there was absolutely no buy-in for these changes from the Democrats.
House Democrats abandoned negotiations with Republicans over the food stamp changes, which would require adults to spend 20 hours per week either working or participating in a state-run training program as a condition to receive benefits. Democrats argue that a million or more people would end up losing benefits as a result because most states don’t have the capacity to set up the training programs required.
The second reason it failed is that conservatives did not want to vote on the Farm Bill at all until after they were allowed to vote on a hardline anti-immigration bill crafted by the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia. Speaker Paul Ryan and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy were unable to convince the House Freedom Caucus that they would eventually be allowed to vote on the immigration bill, so they opposed the Farm Bill in protest.
There’s a bit more to this story, as it’s all bound up with a major revolt within the Republican caucus over the fate of the DACA program and the Dreamers.
After the failed vote, a frustrated Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.) left the chamber warning that now more Republican members would sign a discharge petition intended to force votes on a series of immigration measures, including some likely to be backed by Democrats.
He said GOP leaders had sought to convince members to back the farm bill with this warning.
The discharge petition has badly divided Republicans and reminded the GOP of their stark differences on immigration.
The effort represents a revolt against GOP leaders, who generally control what comes to the floor. The petition would set up a “Queen of the Hill” process in which four immigration measures would be voted upon, with the one getting the most votes above 218 being sent to the Senate.
Democrats have been told to back the discharge petition, and GOP leaders have argued it effectively gives power to the minority party.
The votes could lead to House passage of legislation that would shelter “dreamers,” immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children. Helping these immigrants is important to Democrats and many of those backing the discharge petition, as an Obama-era program sheltering them from deportation is being unwound by President Trump.
As you can see, there are a lot of divisions on display here and not a little dysfunction. It’s another example of an addiction to drama and posturing on the House side of Congress taking precedence over competent legislating. The Senate isn’t going to approve the work requirements in SNAP, nor are they even going to consider Bob Goodlatte’s anti-immigration bill. For the purposes of actually enacting changes in the law, these controversies are irrelevant distractions.
A cynic might almost be convinced that the heavily rural House Freedom Caucus did not want to screw over the agricultural interests in their districts by curtailing the food stamps program and used the immigration bill as an excuse for voting against the reforms. That way they could support SNAP while pretending to uphold conservative principles.
You’re not a cynic, are you?
In addition to the human cost of the bill, animal welfare groups will be grateful this version failed. There was a King Amendment that prohibited states from regulating animal welfare in products purchased from other states.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/farm-bill-animals-king-amendment_us_5afb4840e4b0779345d3cb4a
Counterpoint: have you seen Jim Jordan?
We’re really drifting into crazyland here. Farmers are generally very supportive of the farm bill, and the local ag associations beat the drum for it (and they are not liberal marching societies). Some, but not all, farmers are heavily dependent on farm worker labor and need those workers.
(R) representatives who aren’t supporting this should be killed by Democratic candidates. Absolutely killed.
If they are not, it’s a sign that something is really wrong. Farmers are not stupid, and their incomes are very dependent on economic conditions that they have to monitor and adjust to constantly.
farmers may not be stupid, but they’re very deeply Republican. Now let’s see what percentage of them are smart enough to vote Dem. I’m predicting a very very very small number, because like most repubs they’re voting their hatred of liberalism not their own best interest.
They depend on immigrant labor, yet they vote for the deporters. Like southern plantation owners preferred only those blacks that were enslaved.
They will never vote democrat.
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I don’t know. Many did in the past.
“Natural consequences” is a great thing for educating the educable, but this is one group that I would not have expected needed such a brutal lesson.
One possibility: it’s not the farmers, or they play a small part. Very few people live on farms or are directly dependent on them. Those people do indeed act like small business owners (hate taxes, regs). Most of the voters are small town residents and retirees. They may be the voters responsible for this situation.
On another blog, we were discussing how farmers in California’s central valley have been bitching since Trump got elected about not deporting just those very special “illegals” who work for pennies on the dollar in unsafe, unhealthy and frequently sexually harassing working conditions. There were even letters to the editor from some of these “smart” farmers whiiing about not getting rid of “their” illegals (although they danced away from that term).
Some of them were saying: well, Trump is our “friend” and “must know” our circumstances, so Trump will give us some sort of special dispensation.
Of course, nothing of the kind has happened. Yet and still these “smart” proud Trump voters still sing his praises to the rafters, all while bewailing their fate of not being able to hire cheap “illegal” labor.
Of course none of them talk about raising their wages and improving their working conditions so that all of those “economically anxious” white men will take a job with them. Why would they do that?? Better to exploit and abuse the “illegals” for their own personal benefit and gain.
These voters will never ever change, and it will be a freezing cold day in Hell before they’d ever vote Democratic. Nah guh happen.
As long as the Electoral College exists why should Trump care about California Central Valley farmers?
Sure. For some of them, natural consequences will be their harsh teacher. Might be some farms on the market soon.
>>farmers in California’s central valley
I keep wondering, are there still “farmers”, small landowners like my long-dead grandfather, or is it really all agribusiness?
It’s hard to escape it being agribusiness – let’s just say it’s all agribusiness. The way farms are taxed makes it difficult to buck that system.
There are a lot of enterprises, some sole proprietor or “family” farmers, who rent and farm lots of acres, and lots of absentee landlords renting out their land and not farming it personally.
“Something” is really wrong, nasruddin.
The Democratic leadership is wrong.
In my neighborhood, they’d put it this way.
Bet on it.
AG
It’s so tempting to point and laugh, but the problem is that we now have a largely dysfunctional, ineffective (where it’s not outright corrupt) government. That isn’t good for any of us.
. . . to go with it: that dysfunctional ineffectiveness currently resides entirely on the doorstep of the BRP (Banana Republican Party).
Some Democrats could function when approving a torturer to head the CIA.
. . . legislating (the topic of booman’s piece), but fair point taken.
I don’t like falling in to the “both parties suck” trap, but a civilized country would have at least one party that opposes torture.
We do. Count the votes.
Haspel’s nomination would have gone down in flames if the Democrats held the line. It’s laughable now to think that mark Warner was once floated as a savior of the Democratic Party.
. . . Haspel’s confirmation (including “I”s King and Sanders).
Facts are stubborn things.
This stubborn fact renders . . . erm . . . “problematic” esquimaux’ clear implication that we do NOT have “at least one party that opposes torture”.
Sure, would be preferable for that opposition to be unanimous.
But a both-siderist claim that neither party “opposes torture” in this instance simply doesn’t stand up to factual scrutiny.
6 Democrats voted for Haspel. As I said, those votes were key in confirming her. I thought the Democrats were #TheResistance. Kinda hard to be that when the party doesn’t hold the line.
. . . wasn’t already said earlier in subthread. Nothing clarified. Nothing responsive to point I actually made.
Here it is again, expanded a bit:
We have two political parties with significant power in Congress.
One overwhelmingly (though not unanimously) voted for Haspel’s confirmation.
The other overwhelmingly (though not unanimously) voted against it.
Even accepting esquimaux’ implied equating of a “no” vote to a proxy for opposition to torture (though that’s quite obviously very arguable), the claim that neither party opposes torture simply does not comport with Reality. It is not tenable. As an entity, the Democratic Party contingent in the Senate opposed torture (by esquimaux’ standard). The BRP (Banana Republican Party) contingent did not.
This isn’t hard.
This was a win, if the Dems wanted it. That they did not says a lot about them. One can only “excuse” crossover votes for so long until your party becomes a joke with no moral anchor.
I didn’t mean to imply both parties suck. But the Democrats do have trouble presenting a united front. And I don’t give any of them a pass for voting for Haspel.
Just the usual mixture of chaos, insanity, dead-enderism and boobery that one expects to see from Ryan’s Reprobates. The House has been a paralyzed body for decades now—with the exception of the Dem House of 2008-10, which Citizens United and the corporate media annihilated.
At this point in the “Conservative” Era, most Americans have never seen a functioning Congress with a governing majority. Nor do they appear to want one. Repub incompetence, pettiness and spite is fine for Exceptional Nation. The shining outhouse on the hill!
Pass some blame onto the Designated Losers, euzoius. The DemRats have been playing the same game as the RatPubs…the “corporate funding” game. There is another way, if only they would listen to Bernie Sanders and…maybe…Elizabeth Warren. I mean…they can’t lose much worse, can they?
It’s time for a new approach…the old one has brought us nothing but chaos.
Later…
AG
But, they have already abandoned the farmers to the donald’s MAGA trade failure. China has made arrangements to buy additional soy beans from Russian and Brazil. Mexico and Canada are about to complete trade agreements with the EU. Even if the donald manages to get individual deals with China, Mexico, Canada, and the EU it maybe already too late for this years harvest…just before the midterms.
Are there still family farms these days? Most of it seems to me are big business. I saw at a local farm show where they now have a system that lets cows milk themselves and there are now thousand cow dairy farms. They may not grow hay anymore. Whatever they want they buy.