Paul Manafort is reportedly looking to make a deal with the Special Counsel’s office. For Abigail Tracy of Vanity Fair, while this means he has probably given up gambling on a presidential pardon, it could also be a last-ditch effort to spur Trump into issuing one. But there’s a good reason why Trump hasn’t issued a pardon in Manafort’s case and I covered it two days ago in my piece on Rep. Jerry Nadler of New York who stands to become the chairman of the Judiciary Committee if the Democrats win back control of the House in the midterms. In that role, Nadler would oversee impeachment hearings if they were to occur.
Russell Berman of The Atlantic discussed the issue of pardons with Nadler in the context of possible impeachable offenses.
When I asked if there was a particular action Trump could take as president that Nadler would definitely call impeachable, he relayed a scene from the 1788 convention where Virginia ratified the Constitution. In discussing the unlimited presidential-pardon power, he explained, one delegate asked what would happen if a president engaged in a criminal conspiracy and then pardoned his co-conspirators. Nadler said: “And James Madison answered: ‘Well, that could never happen, because a president who did that would be instantly impeached.’
“They viewed the impeachment power as a limitation on the pardon power,” Nadler continued. “What that also means is if the president pardoned co-conspirators—if we concluded that he was in a conspiracy with various other people and the Russians to use foreign influence on the election, and in order to stop that investigation he issued pardons to his co-conspirators—well that, we are told, is impeachable.”
When it comes to Constitutional matters, it’s hard to do better than James Madison. Madison, along with John Jay and Alexander Hamilton, authored the Federalist Papers which were written to support the ratification of the Constitution by the states. If he said that a corrupt pardon would lead to instant impeachment, that certainly means that he would consider an act like President Trump preemptively pardoning Paul Manafort to prevent his cooperation with Robert Mueller as a slam-dunk impeachable offense. I think as a matter of original intent, even the reanimated corpse of Antonin Scalia would have to agree. Trump doesn’t consistently listen to his lawyers, but he has been strongly advised that pardoning people under investigation would constitute a strong rationale for removing him from office.
If he nonetheless pardons Manafort before he can begin cooperating, that will demonstrate that he’s screwed either way. He might think he’s still in a better position to retain Republican support on the pardon issue than he would be if people learned what Manafort has to say, or he might just want to delay for delay’s sake.
As for reading the tea leaves on Manafort, his second trial has already been pushed back and is now scheduled to being on September 24. Yesterday, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson moved a pretrial hearing scheduled for today to Friday without providing any official explanation. That would support the rumor that his lawyers are negotiating some kind of plea arrangement.
Having already been convicted of eight felonies, Manafort isn’t negotiating from a position of strength. He can reduce his jail time by pleading guilty to additional felonies rather than going to trial and losing, but he’s still looking at doing serious hard time. This obviously raises the stakes in terms of what kind of information he’d be expected to provide for real leniency. At this point, he better hope that what he has is good enough to prove the collusion case beyond a reasonable doubt, because without that he’s not avoiding a decade or more in the slammer.
James Madison in the house!
Questions:
How much of a role do the mid-term elections play on the timing of any actions be considered by Manafort, Mueller and Trump?
Didn’t they just ask Trump to delay his firing of Sessions until after the election?
Wouldn’t a Manafort pardon follow a similar timetable?
So wouldn’t Mueller want to start the trial before the election to keep the pressure on Manafort?
The second Manafort trial starts September 24. That’s well before the mid-term elections, assuming Manafort doesn’t get leniency/plea bargain.
The house can impeach, but conviction requires 2/3 of the Senate. Just sayin’.
Yeah, but…
If enough Republicans begin to believe that Trump’s continued presence in the White House will:
1-Hurt them more in 2020 than a quick impeachment and the relatively sane…at least in his overt actions…Pence having two years to calm the waters.
and/or
2-Begin to realize that Trump really is some sort of madman that will bring down the entire government and country…themselves included…before he is through.
Then they will cooperate in some sort of “bipartisan” action to get the hell rid of him and return to swamp trough business as usual.
Let us pray that enough of them WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! in time.
AG
“…in time” to do what?
To salvage anything out of 2020? I don’t want that.
To — in your own words — “…return to swamp trough business as usual….” ? YOU don’t want that.
The more they sleepwalk, the harder they fall. Shh, we’re hunting Wepublicans.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” attributed to Upton Sinclair
What is he going to talk about? What secrets does he have to tell that the Special Prosecutor doesn’t already know?
Did Trump personally tell him that as long as he remained loyal and kept quiet, he, Trump would pardon him? Probably not. And even if that did happen, could Manafort prove it when Trump called him a “liar! Lies! All lies! Fake news!”
Mueller probably knows quite a bit of what he wants Manafort to talk to him about. But it’s always good to have actual testimony from one of the conspirators to be included in Mueller’s report to DOJ and recommendations for indictments (of the other conspirators, not Trump).
Manafort will have knowledge about Trump’s longstanding relationships with Russian oligarchs and gangsters close to Putin, especially money laundering, tax and wire fraud. In and of themselves those are felonies but not necessarily connected to the Russian election interference except as a motive for Trump wanting Putin’s help and/or worrying about being blackmailed.
Manafort will, of course, be able to bring a lot of detail to the infamous June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with the Russians, Dumbass, Jr. and Jared.
There’s probably
One of Mueller’s objectives is making a case without compromising intelligence sources. Perhaps Manafort’s testimony will help with that.
Maybe he could tell us why he picked Pence for VP.
Good luck with that.
Why is he requesting that? Just because it doesn’t cost anything to ask? Or is there something else at play?
Manafort’s motivations resist our analysis because of asymmetrical information, as well as the strong appearances that he (A) has impaired situational awareness, (B) is reacting emotionally, and (C) is not one of the sharpest quills in the pencase. (A, B, and C overlap considerably.)
He has experienced criminal lawyers. Presumably they are telling him that he has to make a deal. Sometimes your client is a moron and resists making that deal even when it results in him serving an extra decade in prison. So, perhaps they try to make a deal with the Prosecutor’s office to please Manafort.
But, he will really be a huge imbecile if he doesn’t deal at this point. Trump isn’t going to be able to save him and doesn’t really care. He’d flush anybody to save his own hide, even Ivanka. There is literally NOBODY he’s unconditionally loyal to, not even his own family.
Trump cannot pardon Manafort on state law charges, so it doesn’t really help Trump to pardon him at all.
Maybe he is as clueless as that other idiot he worked for. They are going to take all his money, all his personal and real property and lock him away for at least a decade. And if he doesn’t get that shiny pardon before 2020, he won’t ever get one. So roll the dice?
I’m not real sure how important his information is about Fat Donnie, but he has this one chance to show it. OTOH if they make a deal and he squeals and walks free he still has an oligarch or two from Russia/Ukraine who may come calling. Or spread some poison around his house.
So why is he not looking to spill all the beans and looking for a WITSEC program to hide him away. Maybe they’ll let him keep a jacket or two, but does he dare wear it? A pair of Idiots those two.
Since the 2nd trial charges hit closer to home for Trump it would be an amazing scene to have him do a Michael Cohen type allocution down the line of the charges, complete with implicating Trump, Jr, Stone & Kushner.
All that 6 weeks before the midterms. Fingers crossed.
. . . batch of convictions yet, right? So that would be an additional bargaining chip (i.e., letter recommending leniency in sentencing after first trial based on plea and cooperation in second — though iirc, those were fed charges subject to sentencing guidelines that limit such options? Or do they allow for exceptions in such a situation?).
Meaning “additional” in addition to bargaining over plea and sentencing recommendations in looming second trial. Or maybe you implied that between the lines?