There are two main reasons why I talk more confidently about the president being removed from office than most progressives. The first is that I have immersed myself in the details of Trump’s relationship with Russia, beginning back during the earliest stages of Trump’s campaign, and I feel very strongly that the case against him is going to be stronger than almost anyone is anticipating. The second is that I think people are severely underestimating how little actual support the president has within the Republican caucus in the Senate. I believe we can count on one hand how many senators actually want Trump to continue in office or to be the Republican nominee in 2020. Naturally, I could be wrong on both of these points, but I think when the case is laid out there will be very few senators who have any qualms about convicting the president or quietly orchestrating his resignation. The only thing that could protect him is fear that the Republican base still supports Trump and will punish any Republican who moves against him. But I also believe that both this support and the accompanying fear will be no match for the facts.
Having said that, there are still things that could make Trump’s survival more or less likely. From the beginning of his political career, the president has prospered by offering “alternative facts” and this has been a good match for the modern Republican Party which mastered this art during the run-up to the Iraq War and then during the presidency of Barack Obama. In the context of the Russia investigation, this has involved an effort to investigate the investigators and call into question their motives and objectivity. It has been effective enough to keep most Republican voters in the president’s corner. We’re entering a new phase now where Democrats have some actual power to investigate and the way the administration will defend itself is to attack the objectivity and fairness of the Democrats in much the same way as they have attacked Robert Mueller, James Comey and other DOJ and FBI officials.
Many Democrats sincerely believe the president has committed unforgivable and impeachable acts irrespective of any conspiracy or coverup involving the Russians, but it is the outcome of the Russian investigation that will determine his fate, not his campaign finance violations, bank and wire fraud, caging and separation of children or violations of the Emoluments Clause. What’s important is that a certain threshold is met, not of evidence but of public acceptance of the evidence. And that means that things that call into question the fairness and judiciousness of the process are going to be the president’s most powerful defenses.
For this reason, it was unhelpful (as I pointed out on Thursday) for a Democratic lawmaker to introduce articles of impeachment on the first day of the new Congress. And it was also extremely unproductive for freshman Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Detroit to tell a MoveOn.org crowd on Thursday that “We will ‘impeach the mother****er!”
Having been caught on video making those remarks, I don’t suppose there was any point in apologizing, and she didn’t.
I will always speak truth to power. #unapologeticallyMe
— Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) January 4, 2019
It’s nice to speak truth to power but it’s better to exercise power against power, and to do so successfully for the benefit of the nation and the world. When the time comes, the president will argue that the game was rigged and his fate will depend on his ability to point to compelling examples of bias and prejudgment. To me, the greater sin in Rep. Tlaib’s remarks was not that she promised impeachment (though that was ill-advised) but that she used a particularly nasty epithet to make her point. By making it personal, she did actual damage by providing ammunition to the president and his supporters. It’s not just that she created a kind of equivalence to offset concerns about the president’s temperament. Her comments will rally even unsympathetic people to the president’s side.
The removal of a president is very serious business, and it should be done in a calm, judicious and rigorously fair manner. Failure to act in accordance with the circumstances will make an uncertain outcome even more uncertain.
The official line of the Democratic Party is that impeachment is still an open question that will depend on what the Mueller investigation produces. In general, Democratic lawmakers should follow along with that narrative. If some want to make the argument that the threshold has already been met, they should say so with some regret and trepidation about the consequences for our national unity, rather than calling the man a mother****er!
It should be kept in mind that the president needs to be removed from office because he is mentally and morally unfit for the job and poses an unacceptable risk to the health and security of the country and the world. Whatever helps us fix this is good, and whatever makes it (even incrementally) harder to fix is bad.
At this moment in time, grandstanding and name-calling and self-righteousness are no substitutes for seriousness, judiciousness, rigorous fairness, and honest regret. This is what the situation calls for, but it’s also essential to a process that must end with one party making a break with their leader for the good of the country. We don’t need people sticking with Trump just to spite loudmouths on the other side who somehow thought they were waging a productive fight.
If you’re a skeptic that small things like a freshman Muslim woman from Detroit calling the president of the United States a mother****er can have an unexpectedly big effect, go back to the debate over expanding Medicare that took place during the debate over the Affordable Care Act. In that instance, Sen. Joe Lieberman backtracked on his prior support for a Medicare buy-in provision based solely on his antipathy for loudmouth Rep. Anthony Weiner. And Lieberman’s lack of support proved to be decisive in killing what would have been a major progressive triumph.
Despite my overall optimism that Trump will be removed from office, I acknowledge that will be a close call. In my opinion, the odds did not got better on Thursday, and it would be nice if our representatives were more mindful of the stakes.
MSNBC’s Joy Reid had an hour long interview with Pelosi this morning which will air later. There’s a clip out now of her asking her opinion on Tlaib’s remarks and Pelosi does a remarkable job of extinguishing any firestorm from building. She managed to turn the comment to her advantage, which is what Pelosi does best.
There’s an interesting piece in Just Security this morning that is mulling the idea that the 17+ investigations and lawsuits against all things Trump just might be able to be lumped together as a giant RICO case. If RICO can be applied then there could be seizure of all things Trump and since Presidential pardons don’t apply to corporations he could lose everything he holds most dear.
It won’t be surprising if more investigations and suits are spread around by Mueller before his report arrives. Some of the current investigations are ripening, so much so that they will likely arrive nearly simultaneously with Mueller’s report, thus add some frosting to his cake.
If Trump’s base ever opens their eyes to the premise of a RICO case they just may finally realized what they share with the Trump Univ attendees…they were conned and then the Senate will have free rein to do its duty.
Just Security article: https:/www.justsecurity.org/62120/ruminations-rico-asset-forfeiture-trump-business-empire
Just Security article live link for those on tablets where precision copying can be a challenge.
I have read Pelosi’s response, and it is masterful. Here below:
“I probably have a generational reaction to it, but in any event, I’m not in the censorship business,” Pelosi said. “I don’t like that language, I’m not going to use that language, but I don’t establish language standards for my colleagues and I don’t think it’s anything worse than the President has said.”
Wow, slam dunk!
Pelosi more than earns her keep here as Speaker.
What a pitch perfect response. I love the controlled, yet very pointed, language she used. Her comment really made me smile.
I would imagine that if the Democratic leadership as a whole were all able to practice such message discipline, it would completely drive Trump off the rails. Pelosi knows exactly how to do this. She will own Trump, and he won’t even realize it is happening, because of his total lack of awareness. He has met his match in Pelosi, and it is going to make his head explode every day, as she skewers him with a smile on her face. And the fact she is a woman will be a particularly troublesome burr in his saddle.
So there is an upside to the fact that you can’t throw a corporation in jail.
The only thing that could protect him is fear that the Republican base still supports Trump
And that’s where we are now–otherwise, the shutdown would be over.
But you’re right about waving an impeachment flag. It would be more helpful to use words like scam and con over and over, to properly frame Trump prior to his removal.
Facts, shmacts. They. Don’t. Matter…to his base. At least 27% of his support stems from the Crazification Factor. Again, Facts. Don’t. Matter. The other 15% or so that he gets (because his approval rating floor seems to be in the low 40s) is because he hates who they hate. As long as he keeps on hating, Facts. Don’t. Matter.
I’ll reiterate, the only way the Popular Vote Loser leaves office until he’s voted or term limited out is on a guerney.
BWA HA HA HA! Facts making a difference to Republicans? Man, I need to find out what happy pills BooMan is taking–I could use a good dose of delusional optimism right now…
With all the possible rhetorical material/approaches out there with regard to our disgusting political criminal, a Dem freshman has to be screaming a simpleminded “motherfucker” in the age of smartphones? It’s rage, which can be productive, but not clever rage. I’d note Pelosi’s defense is limited to non-endorsment the language employed, and not the “rush to judgment” aspect. If her leadership strategy is along the lines you propose, then she best try to get the caucus on the same page, pronto. As it is, this Tlaib misstep (by a Muslim Rep, no less) will now be on continuous Foxian loop and twitterchain for the duration.
With McConnell’s decision to wash his hands of Der Trumper’s shutdown and allow it to turn into a protracted Dem/Trumper battle royale, it’s pretty difficult to see “how little actual support Trump has within the Repub caucus in the Senate”. I surely was way off on this, as I thought Mitch would tell Trumper what’s what in the 100-0 shutdown run-up. Instead, leader Mitch has been licking Trumper’s ass (and wall) most assiduously, and he surely isn’t acting like he thinks Trump’s shutdown is going to hurt his (increased) majority down the road. So protecting and defending Der Trumper looks like it will remain the principal focus of the Repub nation-wrecking operation.
The National Trumpalist goal will be to willfully increase the level of chaos in government, with the entire Repub Noise Machine turning up the volume week by week. Dems are going to have to be willing to operate in an environment of accelerating chaos and crisis, and simply keep saying “this is your nation on Trump.” They are going to have to actually fight with the useless corporate media, which does nothing but parrot the Repub/”conservative” version of history/events. It’s difficult to overstate how truly horrible the next few years will be in FailedNation, Inc. But this was baked into the cake with the failed “election” of 2016.
We have a major dichotomy of opinion at this point in the ongoing national collapse–with the issue being the receptiveness of the 42% professing “approval” of Trump to the upcoming evidence. Will a calm, fair and judicious marshaling of the “facts” convince some non-trivial number of them that Der Trumper is indeed a criminal such that Mitch’s Menagerie can take a few breaths, or are the True-Believing denizens of FailedNation, Inc. absolutely imperious to any and everything? The evidence to date strongly suggests the latter…
oops, “impervious”….
A Democrat breathes in and out, and that is ammunition for 45 and his degenerate supporters.
Fuck it. He’s a motherfucker and Democrats should work aggressively, and skillfully, and diligently to take him the fuck down.
I also believe Mueller has a case against Trump, but (1 ) until we see it and the state of the evidence and 2) until we see the reaction of the senate there is no case to be made. It is just possible that the best case is to beat him in 2020.
His comment today about keeping the gov shut for years is really over the top. Why does no one ask him what he really wants? There is some 2000 miles of border. The five billion likely will not cover it. So we need to know (1) how many miles will be covered, (2) what is the wall to be, solid steel, fencing or concrete and (3) what is a real estimate of the cost, and who will do it? . Also what other security do we want, guards, sensors or drones. Finally how are you paying for it? Raising taxes or what? I mean there is this wonderful thing called paygo or at least they tell me it is. Absent that we are arguing about nothing. And it takes a lot out of us. It is a super hot nothing topic.
It will cost whatever it costs. It’s essential to secure the southern border, and it’s not an area where you cut corners. Give Trump a blank check and just get it done so that we can move on.
Well said, Booman.
I’d suggest that there are actually four. In addition to the two named, there are the following:
It has long been obvious to many of us that we passed the bar for high crimes and misdemeanors out of the gate. And while I don’t have the expertise to substantiate Reason #2 in the current situation, I have no trouble at all buying it.
As for Reasons #3 and #4, however, I can see only mountains of evidence against them, and to judge by some other replies over the past weeks, I’m apparently not alone. I’d be very grateful for some elaboration of these reasons.
For me, the critical question is: what would it take for the geniuses at Faux Noise to decide that Dumpland Rot has served his purpose and become a millstone?
I think we may be at a juncture at which the Republiclown Party, in order to survive, has either to change fundamentally, or to break the republic. Looks to me as if it’s been going for the latter.
In another vein: while I understand very well the “be-measured-when-you-use-the-i-word-so-you-don’t-needlessly-antagonize-anyone” argument, I might be more concerned about it if at least two of every five people in the country didn’t already embrace Republiclown-generated-and-propagated fictions about Democrats. For the Wurlitzer, Tlaib’s words are just lagniappe, and if she hadn’t spoken them, another incident would eventually be fabricated, just as incidents have been and are being fabricated, and many will be down the line, no matter how uniformly “objective and fair” Democrats’ conduct may be.
Lieberman may not be the best example to cite in support of the “be-measured” argument; then it becomes “don’t give a diva any excuses to be a diva.” Divas will always find an excuse, whether you provide it or not.
(Speaking for myself alone, without having seen the video: if I’d been in that crowd, I imagine I’d have been delighted by Tlaib’s words.)
The motherfucking Wall Street Journal is getting mad at Trump. That counts for something.
At this stage, I’m afraid I can’t see how it counts for all that much. Even Faux Noise generates a harsh word or two for Damn Old Turp from time to time before reverting to business as usual.
But if the motherfucking WSJ stays mad, that will be a different story.
It is interesting to watch the mainstream, dare I say middle of the road, Rep punditry turn their backs on Trump and quickly say wasn’t my fault he got in. Watched Peggy Noonan, who has to have the most arrogant set of Rep excuses and talking points on the planet back off Trump has almost been worthwhile.
Mueller’s grand jury was just extended for another 6 months. There won’t be a report from him anytime soon. Until then talk of impeachment is moot. The House can conduct some pretty juicy investigations of its own in the mean time.
So yeah, some newbie spouted off her mouth; how is that even close to being as bad as the Freedom Caucus? Or the awful things that were said about Obama when he was in office. I’m not convinced that something that barely trended for a day on twitter will derail any serious impeachment proceedings.
I’m content to wait until Mueller gives his report. At least his part of the Government is funded.
Wrong. We don’t need to wait for a lifelong Republican’s report to impeach Trump. He’s asking for more and more Friedman units so that the Republican Senate can install more judges to his liking. There is more than enough evidence IN PUBLIC VIEW to impeach him and place him in jail. Mueller is it NOT to be trusted. Proceed without him and then subpoena him to testify.
whatever makes it (even incrementally) harder to fix is bad
I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think that Tlaib’s comments will have an impact one way or the other on any of the people who will vote on the removal of Don from the White House. If for some reason you think it has an impact, please let me know what impact Don’s calling the Representative of California’s 28th District little Adam Shitt has. Please explain how’s Don’s juvenile criticism of Mia Love will affect his impeachment survival chances. (This isn’t an exhaustive list by any means.)
I don’t even think pretending that it has an impact is useful, because of Murc’s Law. Ideally, both parties should work to make this sort of language less prevalent, or at the very least forcing it to the fringes. Liberals calling out fellow liberals is a good thing. However, if conservatives don’t reciprocate, it allows Fox/Breitbart/Drudge/InfoWars to present a distorted view of the political situation to their viewers. Because the media hasn’t solved the puke funnel problem, this distorted picture ends up influencing “mainstream” coverage. I admittedly don’t have an answer to the “puke funnel problem” (short of nuking the New York Times politics desk from orbit), but I do know that pretending that Republicans have no agency isn’t the answer. It’s become trite to observe that Jeff Flake could’ve damaged Don by voting against his bills. This observation is true but also obscures the fact that lots of GOP members voted for whatever crappy bills Ryan and McConnell placed in front of them because they’re too feckless or lazy to win a contested primary race.
Disagree with you strongly here… The House should be impeaching the motherfucker. It was what they were elected to do. Playing coy is just giving the fucker legitimacy he doesn’t deserve. There is no negotiating with him. He is a criminal. Why the fuck is the Ways and Means Committee sitting on a demand for his taxes? What the fuck is the use of a Dem Congress if they won’t impeach a criminal who has not only publically demanded that one of our historic enemies sway our election, whose son met with an agent of that enemy in the President’s home (which meeting was personally covered-up by the President), and whose foreign policy decisions unequivocally are designed to aid our enemies (hence, the Putin/Saudi high five).
We can’t wait for Mueller. Get his taxes. Impeach the motherfucker. NOW!
Don’t think it matters. If they won’t do what needs to be done after the evidence is laid out for all to see that Trump is a traitor, then they never would have done it.
I’m looking at it like I did the Kavanaugh nomination. It’s theoretically possible to envision something that would have derailed the nomination, but based on what we have seen in lived experience, it was not possible. Moreover, Collins has backed even more extreme nominations for lower courts. It’s clear she would have backed almost anyone. So if these motherfuckers don’t do what needs to be done because a freshman Congresswoman said what we all know is true, they never would have removed him.
I don’t think it matters one way or another. The only important people right now in the House are Pelosi, Cummings, Nadler, and Schiff.
Ha! Adam Jentleson makes the same point: