In a recent post…Dems Prefer Electability to Ideological Purity (https://www.boomantribune.com/story/2019/2/4/144611/1283) Booman made a case for a more centrist 2020 Dem presidential candidate rather than a more “progressive” one.
I disagree.
Here’s why. (Hint, hint…it’s all about the numbers.)
Read on.
Booman…the following is the fly in your electoral ointment:
…most Democratic voters are more concerned with winning than with finding a candidate who can check all of their boxes.
Now…this is not exactly a shoofly, but rather a true fly.
Why a fly of any kind?
Because…as true as it may be, it does not recognize the potent fact that about 40% of the potential electorate simply doesn’t vote!!!
Who Helped Trump Most in the 2016 Presidential Election? Nonvoters, Pew Study Says
When it comes to the Donald Trump presidency, nonvoters are just as responsible as verified 2016 voters for the presidential election results, according to a new study from the Pew Research Center.
The study notes an important statistic: four in 10 Americans who were eligible to vote did not do so in 2016. And by taking the unique (and uniquely valuable) step of validating those who claimed they voted, Pew researchers were able to determine who actually voted and who did not. Breaking out these categories into hard data makes it clear: Nonvoters in 2016 had just as much to do with establishing the Trump presidency as actual voters.
The really important question is:
Why didn’t they vote?
Immediately followed by the next important question:
Who and/or what would motivate a majority of those non-voters to show up and vote in 2020?
And my own seat-of-the-pants answer is that only a candidate who successfully reaches out to the entire population of this country…not one who stinks of deplorablism and public/private positions, not one who has the stench of corporate control and/or racism, not one who has made a career out of being a Washington DC insider of either party…can mobilize an appreciable part of this essentially ignored by both major parties and the Trumpists “dark matter” (In the physics sense) to come to the polls.
Think on it, Booman.
Here are some numbers…2012 was the best I could do on limited search time:
…analysis by the University of California, Santa Barbara’s American Presidency Project found that there were 235,248,000 people of voting age in the United States in the 2012 election
8 years later? Let’s round the number out to 250 million, ok?
40% of that electorate equals roughly 65 million potential voters!!!
HRC lost to Trump while getting roughly 66 million votes to his 63 million or so , but she lost in the (totally jive) Electoral College.
If she had reached even 10% of those non-voters…let alone a majority of them…she would then have had such a majority that the Electoral College vote would have been hers as well.
But NOOOOOoooo…she and her DNC tried to run the old “public/private position” game and got caught out doing it, mostly because of social media.
Long story short?
Sure.
The regular “Democratic” voters…including the so-called progressives and the more neocentrist/neoliberal types…were not enough to give her an unchallengeable win.
Do you really think that…given Trump’s and the Republicans’ fairly unshakable base…yet another mainstream DNC-supported DC career insider is going to be able to motivate some large percentage of those non-voters to come out in 2020? A percentage large enough to perhaps even “blue wave” the Senate?
I don’t.
With any of the thoroughly DC-branded pols who are leading the so-called polls now, 2020 will be a squeaker.
At the end of your post, you say:
This election cycle is not going to reward ideological rigidity or radicalism. On the other hand, the winner could wind up being as far out of the historic mainstream as Trump. Anything is possible with the right kind of campaign.
I want to add to that…it is not going to reward Washington DC insiderism either. In fact, I think that…just like in 2016…it will to some degree punish that characteristic, on both sides of the political spectrum.
I have been posting a great deal recently here about Beto O’Rourke, and I have gotten flack from many of the pro-DNCers here about wishful thinking vs. pragmatic politics, etc.
As George Santayana so accurately wrote, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”.
If the Dems try to foist another mainstream DC insider on the electorate, it’s going to be Groundhog Day, one more time once. It might come out…due to the ongoing, awful sight of a narcissistic madman in the Oval Office…pro-Dem. But it will not be a landslide by any means.
However…if they present a candidate and platform that reaches some effective part of the silent 40%? Not necessarily a candidate who kowtows to the Dem’s current so-called “progressive” system, but one who is a truly pragmatic politician. One who reaches people of all races and cultures in this miraculously multiracial and multicultural nation?
Landslide!!!
A landslide of historic proportions.
So far, O’Rourke is the only possible presidential Dem candidate who is not playing by the rules.
The rest?
The same tired games.
“Expert” advisors.
Making …necessarily perfunctory, so far… showings in the primary states.
Hustling the corporate donors.
And so on and so forth.
Meanwhile, this O’Rourke guy has been breaking all of the rules, most importantly the one that says important, privileged politicians can’t go out and meet the people without a cadre of advisors and bodyguards at the ready.
As far as I know, this is truly revolutionary!!!
We shall see.
He may not run.
But if he does?
Watch out, DNC-ers!!!
A benevolent candidate is threatening your hegemony.
All’s I can say is:
It’s about time!!!
And about the numbers, too.
Watch.
Later…
AG
P.S. Given the grousings about O’Rourke’s voting record as a House member from some supposedly “ideologically pure” Dems, here and elsewhere, maybe your title (if not necessarily your conclusions) is quite accurate.
“Dems Prefer Electability to Ideological Purity”
Lord A’mighty!!!
I certainly hope so!!!
What a relief. I was afraid the Beto O’Rourke Fan Club had gone permanently off-line.
Not yet, Bubba.
Not yet…
Bet on it.
Not until he…quite reasonably…decides that people like you still control the political landscape.
And even then?
There’s always 2024…
If of course we make it that far.
I’m ready to die for my convictions.
You?
I think not.
Later…
AG
. . . for him, my guess is that Joel is also ready for you to die for your “convictions”.
In fact, I’d “bet on it!”
What cracks me up is that Arthur apparently believes that people like the two of us exert some sort of mysterious control over politics in the United States. I guess we really do need Oui back to patiently explain that it’s actually the International Zionist Conspiracy pulling the strings.
Are you devoted Democrats?
Multiply by thousands, and…yes, you have input and a modicum of control over some parts of politics in the United States.
AG
. . . a more coherent view of . . . well . . . anything and everything! . . . than actually afflicts him.
The Beto O’Rourke Fan Club is just the thing to use to justify your bad choice to campaign for Donald Trump and Republican Party candidates in 2019 and 2020. Apply the Beto O’Rourke Fan Club two to three times a week until you make progressives feel the chafing and irritation that comes when you try to convince them that they should help re-elect Donald Trump if Beto fails to overcome a dozen or more candidates for the Democratic Party POTUS nomination.
Some people using the Beto O’Rourke Fan Club report changes in thinking, including hostility, anger and constant bad faith argumentation. Serious side effects include serial lying to disguise regressive policy beliefs. Decrease use of contrarian political products which advise you to engage politics and voting as if you are a consumer who must be catered to in all ways while using the Beto O’Rourke Fan Club, unless you want to be viewed with contempt by every progressive who has the sense God gave a child. Tell progressives if you experience an epiphany which places you in touch with the incredible disappointment you should feel for having become such a deceptive, self-revering bore. Try to make amends if your sense of shame is miraculously restored while using the Beto O’Rourke Fan Club.
I do not recall AG EVER campaigning for Donald Trump or a republican candidate. That is a flat out LIE!
Of course it is.
That’s how these people work, Voice.
The Big Lie.
Up and down the scale of media.
AG
Ron Paul was not a Republican?
IIRC, he was a Libertarian.
The Internet is our friend:
Other Political Affiliations
Republican (Before 1987, 1996-2015)
Ron Paul was not a Republican?
It will be Kamela Harris or a clone. Can’t tell which one. I heard on the radio that the Dem gay mayor of South Bend (?) Indiana has declared! I wonder if the scheme is to clog the primaries like the Chicago Mayoral race. There are so many candidates that the two front runners at 13% apiece are twice as far ahead as the rest of the pack. So, Toni Preckwinkle, despised County Chairman who never saw a regressive tax she didn’t like, but has the desired by Booman qualities as being an Insider, black (but not too black) and female
and hereditary ruler Bill Daley will be the second round ballot choice. Whites will vote Daley, because he’s white except for radical women who will vote Preckwinkle because of her plumbing. Blacks will vote Preckwinkle because she’s black. And finally, the now largest ethnic group in Chicago, hispanics will vote ??? all their candidates having been shut out in round one. Doesn’t matter. Whichever wins, the Machine is still in charge. Preckwinkle ran as anti-Machine for Cook County Board President, but afterward she made her obeisance to the Party’s Godfathers, IL House Speaker Mike Madigan (D-Chicago) and former Cook County Chairman and self-dealing Assessor, Joe Berrios.
That is the National picture drawn on the local scale.
That’s it, you and AG are the only two rational people in the room; everyone else is a slave to race- and gender identity politics. Glad you clarified that.
Looks that way, doesn’t it? There used to others but they went away. Or were sent to Siberia. I looked for Marie3’s history to see the date of her last post. Nothing. She never posted anything. I must have dreamed it. Where are the others I remember from seven years ago? Unpeople.
did Marie actually delete all her history like Oui did?
a lot of people have come through this blog since I’ve been here, and most have left again. I don’t know if booman bans people like other blogs so frequently do, but AG is still here despite the constant criticism from some users.
Marie3’s posts all were a variation on the theme “I’m the only intellectually honest person posting here. Of course, if you totally agree with me, then I’ll let you be my servant.”
HRC lost to Trump while getting roughly 66 million votes to his 63 million or so , but she lost in the (totally jive) Electoral College.
If she had reached even 10% of those non-voters…let alone a majority of them…she would then have had such a majority that the Electoral College vote would have been hers as well.
But NOOOOOoooo…she and her DNC tried to run the old “public/private position” game and got caught out doing it, mostly because of social media.
Or maybe Putin and his various assets did just enough to change the course of things.
Could be, boran2.
Could be.
But…do you really think that we’re going to get a straight, no bullshit/non-partisan result from the DC Swamp Circus and its media barkers regarding the extent…and relative effectiveness…of Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election?
I don’t.
It’ll be as straightforward as were the Warren Commission and the Watergate boondoggle. As honest as James Clapper’s testimony to the Senate regarding the extent of illegal eavesdropping on U.S. citizens by the Deep State.
The verdict was in the moment Mueller was put in command.
His real job?
Get rid of Trump without (further) incriminating the bipartisan Deep Staters that want to get rid of him in the process.
Bet on it.
Were the Russians involved?
More than likely.
Did they singlehandedly manage to get HRC de(
s)elected?I want proof!!!
So far?
None.
Just dirty business practices of the kind that Trump has been running with various gangsters since he was introduced to the process…and the gangsters…by Roy Cohn.
Could he be impeached for extensive financial criminality?
Betcha.
Why hasn’t he?
The prosecutors want a home run.
A Russian home run, with all of the supposed Deep State “good guys” safe at home.
Bet on that as well.
AG
P.S. Maybe the Russians even sent secret messages to HRC’s brain telling her to avoid campaigning in states where there were a lot of angry, hurt working class white people.
Why…maybe they even used the deadly Ventriloquism Ray to make her say things like “deplorables”and “public position”/”private position” in front of recording machines!!!
Man…those clever, clever Russkies!!!
C’mon…
Tell us more. You’re doing great.
He would but he just got a threatening letter from David Pecker’s lawyers, too.