I want to hate on this column, but then again I don’t want to hate on it because it is in many respects quiet incisive. But let me tell you what I don’t like about it.
I don’t like it when people talk about whole generations of people like an astrologer, suggesting that we’re all a certain way because of when we were born. I don’t like it when someone who was born in 1976 speaks for all of Generation X, using references that had no relevance to my formation because I was already out of high school when they became a thing. I don’t like it when being a white man is presumptively defective, and having lived a middle class or better life is delegitimizing.
To me, going to high school in the 1980’s was different enough from going to high school in the nineties that it’s hard to classify both groups as part of the same generation. When I graduated from high school, the Berlin Wall was still standing and the prospect of nuclear annihilation was our climate change-level rationale for anti-authoritarianism or even nihilism. By the time the Class of 1994 graduated from high school, people were beginning to believe that democracy had triumphed over authoritarianism and the end of major conflict was nigh. For that reason, being a skate punk in 1985 had a different meaning than being a skate punk in 1993.
What both groups shared in common was a rejection of the establishment often inherited from hippie parents who had battled through Vietnam and Watergate, but without anything on that scale to organize their resistance. That hippie boomers sold out and made careers and families was a cliche, but one their children were reluctant to follow with enthusiasm. You can call that “having a problem with authority [that is] more about being appealingly subversive than having experienced real oppression at the hands of people who abuse authority,” or you can just write it off as the privileged finding it “easier to project a willingness to subvert norms than to actually subvert them.” What I call it is growing up.
Elizabeth Spiers describes young Beto O’Rourke somewhat dismissively as a “sometimes lost, arty type, skeptical of institutions and playfully rebellious, but not antisocial.” That really describes anyone who was basically a good, law-abiding kid who was born with a healthy amount of skepticism and a bit of sensitivity. Was his skepticism illegitimate because he wasn’t experiencing ” real oppression at the hands of people who abuse authority”? Were his aimlessness and drift suspect because they didn’t devolve into anti-social behaviors? Are the only people with a valid point of view those who were breaking windows to protest the WTO?
Elizabeth Spiers sums up her problem with a simple sentence: “Beto O’Rourke is a very familiar kind of Generation X white dude.” She doesn’t say that like it’s okay. In fact, her whole column is an effort to explain what is wrong with it and why it’s not a good fit for someone who wants to be the president of the United States.
Typical Gen X white dudes are all about posing and affectation, pretending to be ironic and rebellious when they’re really being coddled at home. They demonstrate their unearned authenticity by wearing eye-liner for three weeks, listening to thrash punk skater music and slacking off to the point that they reach their mid-20’s with no goal established for their lives. Spiers says, “I don’t object to this, personally. I’m a Gen Xer, too,” but she actually objects to it rather strenuously.
But O’Rourke so completely — and hilariously — embodies the stereotype of a white male Xer that if someone wrote him into a dystopian fantasy about a youthful 40-something ex-punk-rocker dropped into politics (reluctantly and with some conflictedness, of course) to save America from a selfish boomer narcissist who failed upward into the presidency despite a history of corruption and incompetency, the character would be way too on the nose.
The worst part of her piece is also the best part.
Since he declared that he was running for president, O’Rourke has spent a lot of time standing on things. Not because he needs to; he’s 6-foot-4, but he still often climbs atop furniture to talk to crowds. Or he climbs up and then perches kneeling to address a specific potential constituent, while emanating something akin to a cool camp counselor vibe that says: I’m here to listen to you and fix your problems. And I also maybe have a pot stash everyone knows about that I’ll consider sharing because you seem cool, and I know you won’t narc on me. The posture is a little subversive — diner counters are not for standing on! — but not too much so. O’Rourke isn’t taking a baseball bat to the counter, he’s just demonstrating that he’s not hemmed in by restrictive traditional notions of where people should stand. And because he’s charismatic and maybe a little emo, he can pull it off without seeming horribly awkward. It works for O’Rourke partly because it feels like a generational affect and thus of a piece with the rest of his persona.
But it also works for him because Gen X affectations don’t have much downside for straight white men.
I like this writing and I think it’s insightful about what makes Beto tick, why he has a certain appeal, and how the privileged are free to act in ways that are severely punished in others. But it really amounts to an argument that O’Rourke’s earnestness is somewhere between a shallow illusion and a paternalistic scam.
If you would prefer that our next president not be white or not be a man or not be from a specific generation or not have spent part of their youth with the luxury of being aimless, that’s your right. But these are not good reasons to criticize people and dismiss what they are trying to bring to the table.
It’s tough enough to get through your teenage years and become a functioning adult. The idea that you never had a chance to be taken seriously because of your gender, your skin-tone, or when you were born? That’s not something we should want to enforce. Do we want to dismiss people because their parents provided them a good enough life that they could “waste” some of it playing in a punk band or perusing the works of Joseph Campbell?
Even having made all these critiques of the article, I still think it’s a good piece of writing with more than a few good observations. It’s more the genre I hate than the piece. And I can’t stand self-loathing, especially when its generational.
It’s a shame, isn’t it, thatin selecting a president, we have only humans to choose from?
Also a shame that the left is populated by cannibals.
The “skater in 85 vs 94” really hit home for me, and you nailed it.
One of my old buddies from that time despises Beto, and largely based on that, I suspect
What do you see as the main difference between the two?
Exactly what you wrote. We grew up under Reagan and MAD and Iran Contra and Nicaragua.
Also, their music sucked. Nirvana??? Pearl Jam? Blind Melon? Smashing Blumpkins?
Please.
Nirvana was good. Very good. Can’t and won’t defend the rest.
Hearing Nirvana convinced me to give guitar-based bands one more try. Their work held up quite nicely over time. Was glad to see them in concert just before they hit the big time. A lot of early 1990s alt-rock was meh. That would probably be true of any area I’d wish to listen to. Early 1990s was a fertile period for hip-hop (A Tribe Called Quest is but one example), electronic music (Aphex Twin, Orb, etc.), jazz (a free jazz revival was just starting, as were cross-over recordings with hip-hop artists), etc. The stuff that was going on in the late 1970s and early 1980s was pretty mixed as well. For every band like Dead Kennedys in the punk world, there were probably many more that are best forgotten. Same with techno, and so on.
Sturgeon’s Law applies to music as it does to just about every other form of art.
Growing up in the 80s when my only real exposure to new music was MTV and college radio stations I got the impression that the time was a bit of a wasteland for decent music.
With the advent of the internet I realized 1) I was very wrong, and 2) my tastes were hopelessly narrow.
Now I have favorites from every decade and many genres (still hate country). I try to listen to a new band or artist at least once a day. Most are misses, but I’m still finding great new acts to love and I’m sure I always will.
Having teenage children has been something of a blessing. They know how to pair their mobile devices to my car’s bluetooth, and I never know what is going to blast out of my speakers. Some of it I genuinely like and think it may well be considered classic. A lot of it not so much. Sturgeon’s Law pretty well covers it. But I am glad the younger ones keep encouraging me to keep an open mind, and more importantly that they want to share what they think is important with me.
I wrote a long response to this, and deleted it because it made me sound like a 70 year old geriatric griping about the kids these days.
Nirvana never spoke to me, and neither did any of the others. I found the “we’re so glum” affectation tiresome and uninspiring as a musician. And, not to sound like that same 70 year old geriatric griping about the kids these days, I continue to believe that they ruined rock-n-roll with that “poor me/we’re so glum” philosophy, which seemed to really take off with the kids suffering under (checks notes) the Clinton economy.
There was no joy in it anymore.
I never found Nirvana to be glum. Morrisey & The Smiths were glum.
And rock & roll is alive and well and kicking ass. Name a style and there’s 20 great bands doing it well. A few probably on tour right now. Just saw Clutch and Big Business last week.
I’ve long held that the Soul Train line dance single-handedly won the Cold War because Moscow couldn’t compete with the joy of our most vulnerable and oppressed population.
Take that, Kazakhs.
Yes, Booman!!!
And I have long held that WWII was tipped to victory by the American cultures of jazz/swing and humor. Our opponents simply couldn’t handle the joy. Of course…a lot of weaponry helped, but the Axis had industrial might, too.
In the swing era, “jazz” was the music of almost all of the people in the U.S. Even country music owes a great deal of its musical forms to a style that was founded in black New Orleans at the turn of the 20th century. I mean…before New Orleans, there were no “rhythm sections.”
And humor? Especially animated cartoon humor? It was largely made and produced by Jews, at least in the early days. (I except the Disney things. Among other problems, they’re just not very funny.) But Warner Bros? The Fleischer brothers? Bugs Bunny? Popeye? Betty Boop?
The U.S. danced and laughed its way to victory.
The Nazis and Japanese militarists just couldn’t handle it.
Unfortunately…the U.S. has lost a great deal of its joy.
Its optimism.
They especially couldn’t handle the fact that supposedly “inferior” races were the moving forces in much of the U.S. culture.
Now?
The country has turned mean and sad.
So have its arts and general culture.
Is it our turn in/over the same barrel as were the Nazis?
Could be…
This is yet another reason why I am supporting Beto O’Rourke and the rest of he New Democrats.
They are laughing their way to power…especially O’Rourke and AOC.
Watch.
Later…
AG
No worries. A lot of musical preferences are very personal. I see little point in debating, and simply accepting. I loved a lot of 1990s free jazz offshoots. I could easily find people on BBS who really hated all of it. If someone really pushed me, I would end up saying that a lot of it was probably very quirky to me. A lot of what I loved about that scene was it seemed like an offshoot of some of the best of the hardcore scene of my youth. Spoiler alert: my fave Black Flag recording was the Weeding Out EP which as an instrumental, and I loved the instrumental side of Family Man. I love the first wave of free jazz, even though I am way to young to recall any of it. Side-by-side both vibes are different. The first wave was truly inspired by the civil rights and Black Power movements. The second was partially an artifact of bored ex-punks looking for a new fix and jazz artists who were looking for a way to honor their ancestors as they moved forward. The 1990s was an odd time. I never know how to adequately explain it. That scene spoke to me, although maybe that was little more than finding some mood music to get through a long grad school slog. Maybe as reducible as that. Same with all the ambient stuff I was already listing to, and still enjoy. Or maybe why I loved anarchopunks who just sort of abandoned a style but not the politics (Chumbawamba comes to my mind). Its meaning for me is probably so personal that it would make little sense for any one else, even after a lengthy personal conversation and a few pints. I see a lot of the arts that way – visual art, film, music touch on emotions and perhaps thoughts that are themselves not rational (note that I am not using the terms rational or irrational as a pejorative). At the end of the day, when I hear an old Nirvana song, it reminds me of a friend who introduced me to their songs, went to a concert with me in early 1991, and whose friendship meant a great deal at the time (and who I miss still long after we lost touch). There is no rationality to that. That’s just raw humanity. So, if something doesn’t work for you on the artistic side, no worries. I won’t judge you because that is not my place. At the end of the day, all I can be sure of is what seemed to matter to me. Is what it is. 🙂
Nirvana was good for what they were. But as someone who came up on Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, MDC, Bad Brains, Circle Jerks and more… they sounded to my ears like watered-down hardcore with production values that the normals -or perhaps the kid siblings- who missed out on hardcore could enioy.
To me it was boring and rehash. YMMV, as musical taste is subjective.
Nirvana’s closest antecedents are not 80s hardcore bands, they’re 80s alt-rock bands like The Pixies. It’s a completely different musical tradition.
Whatever.
I mean, if your criticism is that you wish they were more like Minor Threat you could just go listen to Fugazi. There are lots of different ways to make rock music than DC hardcore.
Like any genre and era, some of the music holds up, much of it doesn’t.
I’ll have to strongly dispute you on disregarding Nirvana. That was a terrific band, in my view.
This is some MoDo-level stereotyping.
There are plenty of reasons I dislike Beto as a presidential candidate, including his rhetorical expectation of bipartisan cooperation, his vote against Nancy Pelosi for minority leader, his support for Hurd, his lack of any policy specificity or fresh ideas.
I don’t care if he jumps on lunchtop counters or rides a skateboard or wears earth tones.
Beto is a year older than I am. His background is similar enough to my own to be very recognizable to me. I know any number of people who grew up with the same attitudes & privileges.
Some of them turned out to have political views very similar to my own. Some nearly the opposite.
Being born into the culture and various privileges of the well-educated white male suburbanite won’t make you a worse candidate than somebody more exposed to the problems of our society, though you do have to work harder to see past your own blinders, and many people can’t or won’t do that.
Ultimately you can’t really draw any conclusions about Beto’s politics from his biography. Not to get tautological but if you want to understand what politics and policies he’d pursue as president, you have to pay attention to the politics and policies he chooses and has chosen to endorse and promote.
And despite the similar experiences I shared with Beto growing up, on policy and politics he falls near the bottom of the pack of candidates for me.
Booman writes:
Do you really believe that? That it is one’s right be be prejudiced, as long of course as that prejudice is not aimed at…oh, I don’t know…say the more traditionally “hated” groups?
Would you have written the following?
I doubt it.
And this is where “identity politics” is going to fail. You cannot…well, I suppose you can of course, if you wish…”choose” your prejudices. Not without massive feedback from the ones towards whom you have chosen to be prejudicial.
I personally would “prefer” that our next president be:
1-Intelligent
2-Honest
3-Unprejudiced on any level
4-Emotionally well balanced
5-Healthy enough to stand the pressure for 8 years
and
6-Solicitous of the needs of all Americans, be they rich, poor or anywhere in between those two extremes.
A tough set of choices, I know.
Until further notice, my choice is Beto O’Rourke. The only possible question that I can see is one of emotional balance, and besides certain superficial mannerisms that are most likely a result of…of too much goddamned energy, not exactly a bad thing to have in what could be rightly considered to be the most challenging job on earth…I see no signs of emotional instability.
No obsessive messing around with women, no particularly nasty habits like over-accumulation of wealth, a family that plainly loves him and…most importantly…an absolute refusal to descend to the levels of name-calling and blame-giving that are the hallmarks of people like Donald Trump and many other super-partisan pols of both parties.
Your choice?
Based on these tenets?
Please!!!
Later…
AG
P.S. The only other major Dem candidate that seems to check off all of the boxes above is Elizabeth Warren. Biden and Bernie are simply too old. Eight years? In full power health-wise? In a job like that? I doubt it. Warren seems to have boundless energy. I think she’d make it through.
But…is she “electable?”
Does she promise to be able to cobble together a landslide-like supermajority on sheer charisma? O’Rourke does.
So far? And I’ve been paying close attention her ever since she burst onto the national scene with her very public and very courageous oppositions to Wall Street perfidy…
So far?
I haven’t seen it.
I also think that the American people would soon tire of Corey Booker’s self-seeking “Rah!!! Rah!!!” act. I tired of it when he was Mayor of Newark, myself.
Quickly.
I see real problems ahead for Kamala Harris based on her behavior(s) in office in California as a prosecutor…and probably continuances of those behaviors as a Senator. DC Swamp style other-way-looking in the interests of the accumulation of power and economic support. Haven’t we had enough of that yet? I think that we have.
Are there really any other major candidates?
Kirsten Gillibrand, maybe?
I live in NY State, and she’s one of my two representatives in the U.S. Senate. As far as I am concerned, she’s a total cipher. She hasn’t really managed to publicly stake out any political territory whatsoever other than whatever being a “Democrat” really means on any given day. The only thing that comes to mind is that she and Corey Booker are close friends and allies in the Senate. Whatever that really means.
Is there truly anybody else seriously in the running?
Not that I can see. Not yet, anyway, and I pay pretty good attention to the whole game.
You?
“Preference” isn’t the same thing as prejudice. If you’ve had 45 presidents and all of them were men and 44 of them were white, it’s not prejudiced to have a preference for someone different for a change.
But preference isn’t a defining thing. I could prefer Mexican for dinner to Indian, but still prefer good Indian to bad Mexican. It’s only a problem when I say I’m eating the bad food no matter what when there is better food available.
So, yes, it’s legitimate to push back on people who saw things about white men that they would never tolerate being said about any other group, but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with having a desire or a preference for a candidate who is not a white man. It’s about change and perspective more than about prejudice, at least for most people who have that view.
Still, I see tweets and comments routinely that, taken at face value, are disparaging of me personally because I am a white man, or because I haven’t been oppressed, and it seems like the expectation is that I will take no offense at this because I’m the historic oppressor.
I don’t much care except that it’s suicidal politics.
You write:
Except of course when it is.
You also write:
If one has “…a preference for someone [who will do something] different for a change,” then that’s fine.
And if that someone who is chosen turns out to be…without any prejudicial leanings whatsoever involved in the choice…other than male and/or white and/or older and/or whatever other negatives are being heaped on the previous presidents’ “identities” (as in “identity politics”), then that’s fine too.
The problem arises…is definitely arising in much of the Dem camp these days, both in the party and in its media…when a priori choices are being suggested based on age, sex, race etc. in reaction to what the totally racist and sexist Trump camp has been doing!!!
And there you jolly well are, aren’t you.
You have become the other side of the enemy’s coin.
Heads he wins of course, but…tails you lose!!! You have been diminished by the Trump evil just as badly as have been his supporters. When and if you do that, the potential supermajority/coattails vote will disappear!!!
Bet on it.
And it will be stalemate all over again.
Can we afford to be in a stalemate for another 4 years?
At the rate that this country and society is tumbling?
I think not.
You?
I hope not!!!
Later…
AG
P.S. She’s only biting Beto in the ankles bcuse she’s not big enough to reach his knees.
Especially after he’s jumped up an a table.
LOL.
But I’ll tell you something about that table jumping.
He’s done the same thing with the media.
O’Rourke is one hell of a table jumper!!!
Watch.
AG
Biting at ankles implies the lack of ability to aim higher. Going after any candidate for cultural reasons is just lame at this point. Look at who we have to defeat and tell me we have time to whine about these petty details.
Him voting against Pelosi for Minority Leader and his truly awful response to the question if he supports the Equal Rights Amendment are two significant strikes against him. If that begins to translate into an underpinning of covert or unconscious misogyny, then he’s going to get bumped down a few notches on my list.
We need a candidate who can do better effortlessly.
It is a shame that someone from Beto’s own cohort doesn’t get his appeal. Elizabeth Spiers’ column seems more an indictment of her own hangups and insecurities than providing any insights on Beto’s character and motivations.
The key to Beto’s appeal is that he is the antithesis of Trump:
Beto is a decent man who genuinely cares about his family. He is not on his third marriage and doesn’t have to pay off extraneous women to avoid negative publicity.
Beto is intelligent, articulate and thoughtful. He does not communicate like a 3rd grade bully or a mobbed up thug.
Beto takes the high road, period. He lives the courage of his convictions regardless of political expedience, a quality that frustrates some Democrats on occasion.
I could go on, but you get my drift.
I have seen Beto in person twice during his Senate campaign. Both rallies were over capacity crowds generated on short notice with little traditional publicity. Beto is like a cool, fresh drink of sparking spring water to someone who has crawled through a desert for years and had almost given up.
Those are good points. And Beto is in the running. Still in this day the idea of bi partisan approach to almost anything has very little even negative appeal on me. So for,now he is near bottom for me.
any decent human being is the antithesis of Trump.
Elizabeth Warren is the antithesis of Trump.
Like Trump, Beto appears to think he’s entitled to be president for no particular reason except that he should be allowed to have what he wants. He’s never won a state-wide election and he has no new ideas or plans. All he’s got is a winning personality and boundless ambition.
It’s just a personality hit piece. I guess it’s progress in a way that a white guy could be the target of such a piece, because women seem to be the target of them so much more. Still, it’s garbage and not worth your time.
Coming at this as a European, what I find amazing is the degree to which cultural and personality traits in a candidate are even a thing in US politics. It seems almost self-indulgent to discuss politics in this way.
In Europe its much more about parties and policies, and track record in government or opposition. Political personalities are discussed but are somewhat ephemeral to the main discussion and voting decision. All politicians are assumed to be venal. The assumption that some are much more moral, idealistic and pure is considered absurd.
But if you are into personality politics you have a problem. Should a candidate represent you and what you are, or what you aspire to be? Is being somewhat like you a strength or a disadvantage? Is being highly competent disqualifying because they makes you look inadequate by comparison?
To a large extent the USA is powerful because of its economy and its military. It is powerful even when its politics are totally dysfunctional. You have the luxury of electing an idiot, and you will still be a major power with him in office.
The UK has tried the same and is about to suffer some pretty severe consequences unless it has a rapid change of heart. Smaller countries have to take their politics more seriously. Elect a bad government and you could suffer some very severe consequences very quickly.
If you reduce your politics to the level of a reality TV show, you will get reality TV star leaders. People who can emote appropriately but are clueless otherwise. It is a symptom of an empire in decline.
Same. It’s maddening.
If the message is that the admittedly charismatic Beto is not as “transformative” a figure as many would like to think he is, or as America needs, I’ll buy that. But as far as the rest of it, I agree with Booman, it’s a symphony of cliches and sweeping generalizations, and harmful ones at that.
Meanwhile, from Spiers I get a sense of that self-loathing, “but at least I know the truth” kind of vibe.
Part of my high-school experience was learning one day that a classmate’s brother had been killed in Vietnam. Yeah, I’m of that terrible baby-boomer generation that has made a fucking mess of everything according to some.
O’Rourke is the latest iteration of the candidate whom people project their hopes and dreams onto while not paying a lot of attention to the candidate’s stated positions. In that respect he’s a lot like Barack Obama.
The question that perhaps each of us ought to be asking is this: If O’Rourke catches fire as a charismatic candidate who seems likely to kick Donald Trump’s ass and have serious coattails to boot, but without ever espousing particularly progressive policy preferences, are we going to call that good enough?
Since presidential candidate ideology is such a marginal determinant of legislative achievement when compared to the number of votes controlled by the party in Congress and the ideology of the 50th and 60th most/least progressive Senator in the majority: Abso-fucking-lutely.
Since presidential candidate ideology is such a marginal determinant of legislative achievement …
It also determines what the DOJ and other agencies do. And I’d like someone who is going to prosecute white collar crime, thank you very much.
I actually opened for Fugazi on their first tour, when they played Providence.
What can I say? I think Nirvana blows. You like `em. I hate oysters, my ex loves them. Opinions are mixed on Wes Anderson movies.