In order for President Trump’s new plan to curb Central American immigration to be effective, the governments of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador will have to respond to the loss of $450 million in aid by making drastic changes to improve the basic security and employment opportunities of their people. One reason to doubt this will happen is that they are not the primary recipients of our aid. Most of it goes to non-governmental organizations. Those organizations are clearly no match, even with our aid, for the deteriorating conditions that prevail in these countries, and that’s largely due to poor and corrupt governance. However, even if the NGO’s aren’t stemming the decline, they surely aren’t contributing to the problem. Without the work they do, things would be even more dire.
And even if most of the money goes to NGO’s, there will be consequences for these governments’ ability to maintain law and order.
The decision turns American policy in the region on its head. Not only will it cut development and humanitarian assistance, but it will also halt joint law enforcement efforts, such as anti-gang units vetted by the United States, that had been supported by Republicans and the Trump administration until now, said Juan S. Gonzalez, a former deputy assistant secretary of state in the Obama administration.
Indeed, just a day before Mr. Trump made the comments, the United States signed a border security agreement with the three Central American governments intended to increase cooperation against human trafficking and organized crime.
The timing of Trump’s announcement clearly isn’t coordinated. This is one more example of his fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants style. We lock down an agreement on combatting gangs and human trafficking one day, and our president basically severs relations the next.
I’m not going to argue that our country has a good track record of combating organized crime in Latin America, but if our efforts were going to have any impact at all, they would have tended to reduce people’s motivations for pulling up their roots and heading for our southern border. If dialing our law enforcement cooperation back results in more gang activity and violence, then migration levels will tick up.
In theory, I could get behind an effort to focus the attention of the governments in these Central American countries. They are corrupt and ineffective, and making our aid contingent on changes of behavior is a tool in the box that we can always consider using. The problem is that we have one part of our government that is trying to address the problems and another in the White House that is undermining their efforts.
The primary problem is that the societal structures have broken down and no one can provide law and order for the people. This isn’t an easy thing for Americans to solve, especially in light of our extraordinarily checkered history in this region. We’ve often been a source of the problem, and never more so than when we overthrew the Guatemalan government in 1954. Here’s a reminder of how that worked out for the Guatemalans:
Democratic elections during the Guatemalan Revolution in 1944 and 1951 had brought popular leftist governments to power, but a United States-backed coup d’état in 1954 installed the military regime of Carlos Castillo Armas, who was followed by a series of conservative military dictators. In 1970, Colonel Carlos Manuel Arana Osorio became the first of a series of military dictators representing the Institutional Democratic Party or PID. The PID dominated Guatemalan politics for twelve years through electoral frauds favoring two of Col. Carlos Arana’s proteges (Gen. Kjell Eugenio Laugerud Garcia in 1974 and Gen. Romeo Lucas Garcia in 1978). The PID lost its grip on Guatemalan politics when General Efraín Ríos Montt, together with a group of junior army officers, seized power in a military coup on 23 March 1982. In the 1970s continuing social discontent gave rise to an insurgency among the large populations of indigenous people and peasants, who traditionally bore the brunt of unequal land tenure. During the 1980s, the Guatemalan military assumed almost absolute government power for five years; it had successfully infiltrated and eliminated enemies in every socio-political institution of the nation, including the political, social, and intellectual classes. In the final stage of the civil war, the military developed a parallel, semi-visible, low profile but high-effect, control of Guatemala’s national life.
It is estimated that 200,000 people were killed or “disappeared” during the conflict. As well as fighting between government forces and rebel groups, the conflict included, much more significantly, a large-scale, coordinated campaign of one-sided violence by the Guatemalan state against the civilian population from the mid-1960s onward. The military intelligence services (G2 or S2) and an affiliated intelligence organization known as La Regional or Archivo – headquartered in an annex of the presidential palace – were responsible for coordinating killings and “disappearances” of opponents of the state and suspected insurgents and those deemed by the intelligence services to be collaborators. The Guatemalan state was the first in Latin America to engage in widespread use of forced disappearances against its opposition with the number of disappeared estimated at between 40,000 and 50,000 from 1966 until the end of the war. In rural areas where the insurgency maintained its strongholds, the repression amounted to wholesale slaughter of the peasantry and massacres of entire villages; first in the departments of Izabal and Zacapa (1966–68) and later in the predominantly Mayan western highlands from 1978 onward. In the early 1980s, the killings are considered to have taken on the scale of genocide. Most human rights abuses were at the hands of the military, police and intelligence services. Victims of the repression included indigenous activists, suspected government opponents, returning refugees, critical academics, students, left-leaning politicians, trade unionists, religious workers, journalists, and street children. The “Comisión para el Esclarecimiento Histórico” has estimated that 93% of human right abuses in the conflict have been committed by government forces and 3% by the guerrillas.
As Americans, we’re partial owners of all of that, and the people of Guatemala know it. So, it’s not a situation where we’re trusted or even in which we have much right to trust ourselves. Yet, if we have a human rights concern for the people of Central America and we also want to reduce the level of people turning up on our border asking for asylum, we have to try to do something.
I’m open-minded about what to try, and I certainly am willing to entertain new ideas that overturn existing efforts that have clearly been inadequate at best and often counterproductive. If threatening their governments or withholding aid would get them to do a better job, I’d be all for it, especially because it’s definitely more of a hands-off approach than we normally employ.
But I have two main problems with Trump’s approach beyond the fact that I know it is motivated by his racism. The first is that it is premised on a faulty idea that the migration can be stemmed by the same governments that are causing it if only they would just try a little harder. Things have deteriorated beyond the point where that’s realistic, and now we’re asking them to do it with less help.
The second is that we’re talking about a big change of approach, and the proper way to try something new and different is to do a lot of preparation. Everyone in our government should be rowing in the same direction. We shouldn’t be working our asses off to build a new plan for combatting organized crime and then be undercut the day after everything is nailed down and in place.
Trump isn’t going to give us a humane or a well-prepared plan in any sphere of foreign policy. That’s clear now. But just because he’s doing this in a haphazard way for all the wrong reasons doesn’t mean that the status quo is acceptable or that the migration problem isn’t something that needs to be addressed. If nothing else, we should want these countries to be livable places where people can thrive rather than the murder capitals of the world from which sensible people are fleeing.
Congress can begin thinking about new approaches and maybe Trump’s unorthodox and idiotic style can ironically provide an opening for a new start. Unless we’re doomed, he’ll be gone by 2021, and this will be a problem for a new administration. There are a lot of people who take the announcement by Trump as an impetus to get cracking on policy proposals that have a prayer of helping.
Trump’s policy is purposefully chaotic, designed to cost the most amount of pain, in order to force changes to asylum law. It’s not going to work and we will only see collateral damage in the form of concentration camps, stresses on the system, and institutional destruction of the immigration system. But when you view it through this lens, imagining Stephen Miller overriding the system, it makes more sense.
Trump excels at generating enmity for America, reducing our worldwide influence. Wait till that idiot closes the southern border. It seems like EVERYTHING he does somehow benefits Putin.
Wait until the Russians send in ‘advisors’ to help these countries, just as they did in Venezuela.
When the donald closes the boarder, it will be a green light for our global competitors. If there is oil in the gulf of Honduras, China or Russian will develop it. The Russian troops are something the Russians did to occupy the donald while they weaken our influence south of the boarder.
Taibbi tears into Russian conspiracy media here:
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/31/18286902/trump-mueller-report-russia-matt-taibbi
In his essay which claims that the mainstream media has made factually false claims in its Trump/Russia coverage which undermines their credibility, Taibbi makes factually false claims in his recounting of the record which undermines his credibility.
Taibbi has not seen the Mueller report. He has a long record of railing against prosecutorial decisions made by past Attorneys General. All of a sudden Taibbi is unwilling to question anything coming from the office of an obviously politically motivated Attorney General.
And Taibbi asks us to be willfully ignorant of the indictment Mueller’s team laid down on over a dozen Russians for stealing information from multiple Democrats and disseminating that stolen information to the public.
He also refuses to deal with the long, incriminating record of inappropriate contacts and associations Trump and his campaign has had with Russia which provide easy explanations for Trump’s many obsequious behaviors and policy pursuits with Putin and other Russian oligarchs.
The indictment mentioned here established that on the same July 2016 day when Trump asked Russia to steal Hillary’s emails during a press conference, Russians attempted to steal information from Hillary’s email account.
Taibbi seems to be in line with the rest of the dim-bulb pro-Russia “left” that have proclaimed all along that there was no evidence and no collusion. He’s happily choosing to parrot Trump’s line that the Mueller report that he hasn’t seen exonerates Trump.
His comments about the media are IMO weird.
David Dayen has an interesting piece up titled “Trump Never Had Anything to Fear From Robert Mueller”. Find it on Tumblr.
thanks. Dayen is smart and i like his take on this a lot.
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I found this quote interesting as well. It leads to the further notion that this may not have been as serious as we suspected and hence, why not simply end the investigation? Barr noted there was no conclusion on obstruction of justice, even though we have been led to believe there is ample cause for that charge. We really do need to get that report.
I think it’s a bit too early to dump on Mueller yet. Presumably, he will have answers to the questions David Dayan (and lot’s of others raise) in his report. I’m sure he knows he will have to justify the plea bargains. Now if the public gets to see those arguments remains to be seen.
I’ve seen speculation among the former prosecutors that one of the reasons that he didn’t interview Trump was that Trump’s lawyers told him that Trump would plead the 5th, which is exactly what I’m sure any lawyer would advise Trump to do. Sure, politically it would be damaging to Trump once word got out, but not as damaging as a perjury charge, which he would almost certainly end up getting. Apparently it is Justice department policy not to drag a suspect into questioning once they have been informed that the suspect is going to plead the 5th.
Unfortunately for us, I bet that topic will be redacted by Barr using one of his criteria so it is probably going to take a subpoena from congress (and then I bet a bunch of court cases) before even they fully know the answer to this question.
It’s not over until the fat lady sings and that includes both seeing the full unredacted Mueller report and the other FBI office reports. I say that bc the wording used by Barr is too cute by half to be taken at face value or at least to me. There is even a chance Trump and Barr engineered the end of the investigation. Why would Mueller close out the report when there were still open efforts?
I agree that he dismisses the indictments far too lightly but that does not really show anything about Trump being compromised. I think there is strong evidence thst Russia attempted to intefere in the election for Trumps benefit and that definitely should result in improved election security. But thats a far cry from Trump being a Russian agent or activitely working with Russia to win the election. I get that Barr is suspect but unless a ridiculous amount of the report and executive summary is redacted it will be pretty clear if he lied in his summary (probably of the summary).
I think you have to seriously consider that you want something to be so badly that you are not looking at things objectively.
“…I think there is strong evidence thst Russia attempted to intefere in the election for Trumps benefit and that definitely should result in improved election security. But thats a far cry from Trump being a Russian agent or activitely working with Russia to win the election….”.
Mueller’s investigators, in their indictment of a dozen Russian agents, are the ones responsible for having established that there is strong evidence that Russia interfered in the election for Trump’s benefit. They feel they can prove it in a court of law, and it appears those Russian agents agree, because they’re unwilling to return to the United States to face the charges.
As mentioned earlier, in the charging document for that set of indictments, Mueller’s investigators also established that “Russian spies began trying to hack Hillary Clinton’s personal email server on the very day Donald Trump urged the Russian government to find emails Clinton had erased…”.
You know and I know that if these sets of facts had not been established by the investigators, we would still have a bunch of people claiming that there is “no evidence” the Russians did what they did. Fuck, we still have people who call themselves progressives aping the mainstream media they love to trash by claiming that there is “no evidence” the Russians did what they did. These people are either peculiarly stubborn liars or peculiarly misinformed people who are far too confident in their claimed knowledge on an extraordinarily important issue.
Revisiting this claim: “But thats a far cry from Trump being a Russian agent or activitely working with Russia to win the election….”:
I disagree. I disagree vigorously.
In June 2016, tip-top officials from the Trump campaign happily took a meeting with people who were represented to those Trump campaign officials as emissaries of the Russian government who would offer “…very high level and sensitive information (which) is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Weeks later, the public began receiving information stolen from multiple Democratic Party leaders by Russian agents.
The Trump campaign established clearly that they would like the Russian government to deliver information which would help their campaign and hurt Clinton’s, and within weeks information was being delivered which would help the Trump campaign and hurt Clinton’s. Both sides knew what was going on here, regardless of whether each and every action in the information thefts were being specifically directed by Trump or his campaign.
But then, weeks later Donald Trump directed the Russian government to deliver more information which would help their campaign and hurt Clinton’s. On that day Russian agents attempted to comply, and within weeks they fulfilled Trump’s request by seeing to it that information was delivered which would help the Trump campaign and hurt Clinton’s.
Do you see it as at sufficiently devastating to the President’s political defense that the Mueller investigators discovered that Russian agents responded to Trump’s public request for further campaign assistance on the day Trump asked for it? If not, you’re setting the bar so low that it’s subterranean.
I want to add thst I dont think its that much of a stretch that Trump would say that and Russia would do it and they not collude. It seems very in character that Trump would say that in a “it would be awesome if you did this!” Without a connection to Russia and Russia agree with him and try to do it because it would be great for his campaign and they were trying to boost it since it would make life hard for Clinton.
Taibbi is a fucking moron.
Michael Tracey is a fucking moron as well.
I love how Michael clearly thinks he comes off looking great in the historical summary he provides here:
“…Cast your mind back to Oct. 7, 2016: the day the Access Hollywood tape came out, and also when WikiLeaks started publishing Podesta emails
…So it was a crazy day. Naturally, I began tweeting newsworthy excerpts from the WikiLeaks release: namely the transcripts of Hillary’s Goldman Sachs speeches…”.
Nothing screams REAL PROGRESSIVE more clearly than Michael Tracey hearing the things Trump had said on the Access Hollywood tape, in the middle of the Nazi rallies Trump had been running everywhere, and deciding “I WANT TO COVER FOR TRUMP AND INCREASE THE CHANCES OF HIM GETTING ELECTED BY HELPING RATFUCK CLINTON TONIGHT.”
Recall that a major theme of Trump’s campaign was telling the voters and Michael Tracey and Julian Assange that he planned to torture people suspected of terrorism in order to get the suspects to cough up information. Additionally, Trump spoke very belligerently about wanting to use nuclear weapons preemptively. The very issue which Tracey and Assange claimed to prioritize was one on which Trump was most frequently worse than Clinton. Yet…
“So it was a crazy day.”
Click the link to see BooMan’s first diary post about the Access Hollywood tape. There was a certain community member who was shitposting against Clinton on the regular here at the Frog Pond in October 2016. Note his curious absence in the comment thread there.
I’m having a problem locating BooMan’s first diaries about Wikileaks’ curated selection and public distribution of information stolen from Podesta. I’ll bet that same community member was enthusiastically commenting in response to that diary and posting diaries of his own so he could catapult the propaganda.
Also, too, today was the day when Julian Assange went full incel.
The phrase “…stripped of romance and children…” as if only women have agency to decide the sex lives of men is just about Peak Incel. Romance, sex and children are not the birthright of young men. Also, too, I wouldn’t call what incels have in mind “romance”. Much the opposite.
“Pity fuck me and my misogynistic buddies or we’ll have to disseminate stolen information from Democrats so Americans will vote for Nazis again. You’ve been warned.”
… or worse, as Caroline Orr responded on Twitter: “This is literally the same thing incels say when they murder women.”
Now, I may be as dumb as I look, but it seems to me that Trump’s plan for Central America is actually quite well thought out.
Trump wants massive caravans of migrants travelling across Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S.
Trump wants our border-crossings to be clogged with migrants.
Any policy that helps further de-stabilize Central America helps Trump achieve the two goals mentioned above.
This is a masterfully planned artificial crisis that not only plays to Trump’s base, but also will give Trump political cover to continue doing the nasty things he is already doing on our southern border.
Remember, from all appearances Trump believes that his base loves him even more when he is protecting them from invading brown hordes. (Just look back at the “caravan” coverage leading up to the 2018 election). So it comes as no surprise that Trump will do anything to increase the size of those hordes.
This is not haphazard: this is Trumpian politics in the new age of “conservatism.”
Read this comment and replace every `Trump’ with `Putin’ in your mind.
Putin wants to increase the Russian footprint in central/South America. This helps with that.
It just seems weird to me how most people believe Trump has any original ideas on foreign affairs, and they refuse to believe how far Trump and his family have been co-opted by Russia. They are agents of the Russian State.
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There are by now about three-bazillion instances where Trump has magically/mysteriously/obviously done Putin’s bidding. I agree with you – this is no coincidence: Trump’s policies, from top to bottom, are designed to hurt the United States and help Russia.
Agreed, but this “plan” also has Stephen Miller written all over it.
Trump’s Rasputin.
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LOL!! They’d never make this about Miller:
Hah! Most definitely not “Russia’s greatest love machine”…
Immigration is an issue here and in Europe. You may have seen the recent shows on the Smithsonian tv channel on the Eurozone immigration problem and particularly the UK. It has shaken the UK to the core it appears. And Trump has ridden that wave here and will continue us to do so. He has had a huge crowd in Grand Rapids and one of the themes is immigration. And another one is collusion delusion. I am not sure how we shake it out, if it can even be done. The 2020 election is going to be a barn burner, immigration, collusion and socialism.
As I always do, I want to point out that it is biological human nature to fear and distrust the other. Who is other in this case is determined culturally (and obviously the other may present no actual threat and fear is manifactured) but it draws on a bedrock of evolutionary survival. Thats why its so effective. We have to reckon with the scale of what we are desling with to deal with it better
Trump has a plan, it’s just that cruelty is the goal, so that the design of such a plan is hard to comprehend.
Trump has no plan for Central America!!!???
Of course he does!!!
And only Beto O’Rourke seems to have an antidote.
Go here…The Atlantic…for more. Trump Laid a Trap on Immigration–And Only Beto Sees It
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