It can be pretty isolating to do what I do for a living, particularly the way in which I choose to do it. A lot of people who don’t know me personally, peg me for a moderate Democrat because I spend a lot of time hammering on progressives. But, I believe the only time I’ve ever opted for the moderate Democrat in my life is when I went for John Kerry over Howard Dean in 2004. That was a very difficult decision, and I could have gone either way. I don’t regret my decision at all, but I also don’t see that it was obviously the correct one. In every other case, going all the way back to 1988, I’ve aligned myself with candidates who I felt were more progressive. Only in 2008 did this pay off with victory.
If I could wave a magic wand, I’d enact a lot of Bernie Sanders’ agenda, and if I thought he’d meaningfully advance things in that direction, I’d support him. But I could not be more pessimistic about the character of this country and the universe of the possible. Even a Democratic House and Senate would reject most of Sanders’ plans, both now and for the foreseeable future. I can envision a different kind of progressive leader who might be more promising in bringing the Democratic Party to heel, but Sanders isn’t that guy.
Today brought a lot of fresh evidence of this. I’ve spent a lot of time browsing my networks on social media, and it’s remarkable to see how shocked Sanders’ supporters are to see things happen that were completely obvious to me. I’ve seen progressives say they are stunned that Buttigieg didn’t endorse Warren and call Beto O’Rourke an “asshole” for endorsing Biden. It’s like they simply wouldn’t listen when I told them that Sanders doesn’t do well at building relationships and doesn’t build alliances.
I’ve already talked about how the pundits totally mischaracterize Biden and Sanders’ true bases of support. But this is equally true for a lot of white progressive college-educated Sanders supporters. They actually think college-educated women will leap from Warren to Sanders, when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
I’ve talked incessantly about the Democrats’ suburban strategy. At first, I lamented it because I knew it was a death knell for progressivism. But once the Democrats won the House using that strategy, I had to accept that this is where the party is, and anyone who wants to lead it has to respect that the majority is built on the support of white suburban college-educated professionals, including especially women. It’s not built on the white working man anymore and that’s not where Biden is getting most of his support.
This shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. If you’ve spent two seconds around labor union meetings, you’ll know they’re about the most socialist-friendly places in the country. The traditional Farmer-Labor segment of the party has always been built on populism and depicting the Republicans as the representatives of bosses and coastal elites. Bernie Sanders does a decent job of winning some of these voters back, and that’s one of the most admirable parts of his campaign. But it comes at a cost.
Sanders underperforms with white professionals in the suburbs, and he gets precious little black support. I think he’s improved in this area since 2016 and he’s doing well with the Latinx vote, particularly with his health care message. Overall, though, the shape of his vote is a poor fit for the Democratic majority as it presently exists, and this was so obvious that I’ve spent two years talking about why it’s a problem and why it will prevent him from getting the backing of elected and party officials as both a candidate and a potential president. When you add in Bernie’s poor interpersonal skills, there was never much chance that he’d win endorsements from his major competitors regardless of where they lie on the ideological spectrum.
I’m not saying I have a happy message. I know the opposite is true. I hear it when Sanders’ supporters mock the centrists for saying nothing is possible. I realize that this is not an inspiring message. I get that we have problems that won’t wait, including climate change. I’d love to be able to tell you that we can make big changes and enact sweeping reforms in the next Congress. But it’s not going to happen, and you should make decisions based on that knowledge.
The country is divided and Congress is broken. The Supreme Court is in extremely conservative hands and will possibly remain so for decades. Even legislative filibuster reform (a proposal opposed by Sanders, by the way) would not enable the Democrats to pass most of Bernie’s agenda. There might be five votes in the entire Senate for his Medicare-for-All plan. He’s probably about 45 votes shy of getting that through the upper chamber, but it doesn’t matter because it would never pass through Pelosi’s House. Even if it did, the Roberts Court is currently considering whether or not to rule the entirety of the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. They aren’t going to shelve that to approve Medicare-for-All.
You can lament this but you can’t ignore it. And it’s very difficult for me to understand why so many folks think that Bernie Sanders has the potential to take this Democratic Party and this Supreme Court by the scruff of the neck and make them go along with his plans. Where is the evidence for this?
A lot of Sanders’ supporters are feeling besieged and betrayed right now, but the fault for this lies partially with their candidate. A different person might have won over a Beto O’Rourke or a Pete Buttigieg. They might have convinced more elected Democrats from competitive districts that he’s going to help rather than hurt their reelection bids. He hasn’t done it, and that’s also something that was so predictable that I’ve predicted it for two presidential election cycles in a row.
Now, I’ve endured all the enthusiasm people have had for other candidates like Kamala Harris and Julian Castro and Beto and Cory and Amy and Pete. But I told you beginning eleven months ago that this was almost certainly going to come down to Sanders vs. Biden. Even a heart attack and an impeachment haven’t changed that trajectory, which really exemplifies the solidity of my analysis.
This isn’t about the DNC or the establishment putting their fingers on the scale. This is about two candidates having more appeal and more strength, each for their own unique reasons, than any of the others. This was always going to be a battle between the Obama-Biden loyalists and the Sanders insurgents. The eleventy billion other candidates and their supporters were kidding themselves thinking otherwise.
In that battle, the outcome has never been certain and I cannot tell you who will prevail in Milwaukee. But I can tell you that both candidates have huge glaring weaknesses. And I can tell you that the party will struggle mightily to unite around either of them. However, you can see for yourselves that Biden has more support from elected officials. This is because he’s running on a strategy that carries less obvious risk for them.
For the same reason, Biden would have an easier time leading the party and getting Congress behind his platform.
Now, it may be that the best solution here is for the convention delegates to choose neither of these men and instead find a compromise candidate. I’m open to that solution and it could produce the optimal outcome. It’s actually their assigned job to do this if no one has a majority of the delegates.
Now, I told you ahead of time what was going to happen and why, but from here on out nothing is certain or predictable. Sanders could muscle home a win or convince the convention to nominate him in a brokered convention. Sanders could collapse for some unforeseen reason, or because of a recurrence of his health problems, and Biden could win an outright majority. Biden might win a brokered convention on the backs of uncommitteds and superdelegates. Or, the convention could go in another direction entirely.
What’s clear is that Sanders is going to have a hell of a time trying to rally the party to his side. And that’s always been foreseeable and one of the main reasons why this progressive has been unwilling to get on his bandwagon.
Having said this, I’ve also seen people accuse Sanders of never getting anything done. But he’s helped make a lot of formerly fringe progressive issues go mainstream in the party. That’s what a message candidate is supposed to do. If he were strictly a message candidate like H. Ross Perot on the deficit or John McCain on campaign finance reform, he’d have to be considered a major success. But he’s not a message candidate. He’s the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination. And what progressives have to weigh is whether he’s a good fit for that kind of job.
I’ve concluded that he is not. I hoped that maybe Elizabeth Warren might be that person, but I was correct to be deeply skeptical that Democrats would be willing to risk running another woman against Trump. I think women have been the most resistant to trying that experiment, and it’s doomed all the women who ran in this contest.
Finally, I can’t end this without talking at least a little about Sanders’ online supporters. They aren’t helping their candidate by condemning everyone who isn’t backing him. He needs to add to his coalition but all the effort seems to be directed at trashing other Democrats. This, too, was predictable because it’s a pattern that was established in 2016. It’s just one more reason why no one should be shocked or think it’s some conspiracy that people are lining up against Bernie.
He and they need to own some of their self-imposed limitations, and ideally they’d recognize that some progressives simply don’t believe they can deliver on their promises and there’s nothing nefarious about this judgment.
Thanks for saying something that I have tried to say much less eloquently – and been shouted down for by people who were supposedly friends.
Really great analysis. You didn’t mention that now Obama is also on the bandwagon saying the party should nominate Biden. I had hoped Warren might do it but I don’t see how she will get close. So we may have a probable nominee with a portfolio of endorsements that carry him from SC all the way to the WH but not much else. I have a lot of AOC sponsored posts on my Facebook and there are plenty of them that attack anyone who is not a Sanders supporter. It never seems to occur to them that they are damaging their own brand. Still I got my popcorn to watch it all play out.
Absolute truth, Martin!
Though most of the candidates were very attractive in their own ways, Democrats want this election to be a Trump v Normal, not Trump v Woman nor, I think, Trump v Socialist.
Biden does “Normal” better than any of the other candidates. He is not charismatic, but he is lovable ol’ Uncle Joe.
Now, if he would only promise cabinet posts to all the other candidates but pick the young Joe Kennedy as his running mate — I have thought for the last year that the “Joe and Joe” combination would be unbeatable. And in 2028, Kennedy could run and wow, wouldn’t that be a dynasty pick.
I kind of wish Joe Kennedy would leave Markey alone.
While I understand the sentiment behind wanting Biden to offer cabinet posts to other candidates, I think it’s at best a dubious strategy (giving your opponent more targets to hit) and at worst it may be illegal (promising government benefits in exchange for a personal benefit).
However, you can see for yourselves that Biden has more support from elected officials. This is because he’s running on a strategy that carries less obvious risk for them.
How? If Biden wins the nomination and then loses the general election, it’s all on him and the people propping him up. It will rip the party apart. You damn well know that Biden has a shell of a campaign and was banking on SC all along to somehow carry him. Will it work? Tomorrow is the first big test. And complaining about Sanders’ Twitter supporters? I could go on for days about Warren and Biden’s Twitter supporters. All the anti-semitism directed at Sanders. Do you remember what Beto said about Biden during the debates when Beto was still running?
A lot of Sanders’ supporters are feeling besieged and betrayed right now, but the fault for this lies partially with their candidate. A different person might have won over a Beto O’Rourke or a Pete Buttigieg. They might have convinced more elected Democrats from competitive districts that he’s going to help rather than hurt their reelection bids. He hasn’t done it, and that’s also something that was so predictable that I’ve predicted it for two presidential election cycles in a row.
What could Sanders have said to them that would have made them take his side over Biden’s? Nothing is the answer. I don’t think betrayal is what it really is. After all, look at Beto’s voting record. It was mediocre for a safe Democratic seat. You know why Beto and the rest won’t back Sanders? Because he represents a threat to them. He wasn’t running around kissing the ass of billionaires and owners of wine caves like Mayo Pete, to give one example. When you cater to the whims of rich people, don’t be surprised when the working class turns their back on you.
Thanks for your comment. I think your question, “What could Sanders have said to them that would have made them take his side over Biden’s?” is an important one, and the fact that (apparently) many Sanders supporters can’t imagine an answer other than the one you give illustrates the corner Sanders has painted himself into over the last 30+ years.
It’s possible to imagine an alternate Bernie Sanders who’s a longtime independent/socialist Vermont senator who’s a “happy warrior” type: one who (like Sanders) compromises on certain issues (e.g., gun control) in a bow to political reality; one who understands that his Democratic allies also have certain issues in their states and districts on which they’re obliged to compromise in order to maintain a political majority (Bernie doesn’t do this so well); one who’s spent decades using his high approval ratings back home to raise money and campaign far and wide on behalf of liberal Democrats; one who’s welcomed and taken advantage of every small victory that’s a step in the right direction (e.g., towards universal health care); one who’s spent the past 5-6 years teaching (by word and deed) his most ardent supporters that the political revolution they seek is going to require (many, many) allies who don’t share their ideology or all their goals, and that it’s part of the work of leadership to welcome those allies to the struggle.
If “happy warrior” Sanders were running for the nomination right now, he’d have more support from party leaders and elected officials. As much support as the loyal former vice-president to the most beloved and successful national politician Democrats have produced in the past generation (or two)? Probably not. But “happy warrior” Sanders would have more party support than the actual Bernie Sanders does.
Also, I hope people are happy. Every right-wing ghoul of the last 25 years is supporting Biden:
https://twitter.com/edroso/status/1234889309045522443
And Bill Kristol tweeted his support yesterday.
you don’t really mention it, but aside from playing better with others, Sanders could also work on simply reassuring elected officials that he cares about their political careers and seeking out their advice about how to discuss his agenda in a way they feel comfortable defending.
Just about all of everybody’s Twitter supporters are obnoxious.
Twitter is a very popular platform and its setup seems to elevate the malevolent and hostile posts to very unpleasant effects, but i can tell you that it’s not just Twitter. In personal verbal and text conversations, I find a higher percentage of Bernie supporters to be more hostile, untruthful, and immoderate in their statements. It’s not a Twitter thing; it’s a Bernie supporters thing.
I concede that, as a Bernie supporter myself, I have spent a fair amount of time choosing to talk to a few Berniecrats in my community, and I live in one of the most liberal areas of California, so I hear from Berniecrats more often than Biden supporters. All the same, I haven’t heard supporters of any other candidates claim that Bernie is, for one of many preposterous examples, an enabler of white supremacy. One of the Berniecrats I speak with claims to this day that ALL candidates for the Dem nomination other than Bernie are explicit enablers of white supremacy.
These Sanders supporters also have a distressing habit of claiming other candidates for the nomination “are just as bad as Trump” and bang on about how Obama’s Presidency was an utter failure which paved the way for Trump. I explain to them that these are disastrously bad things to say to the supporters of other candidates, because these silly claims will repel those primary voters and prevent Bernie from gaining their votes, which Bernie urgently needs to do because he has consistently capped out in voter support from the previously split field in the 30th percentiles in the various States.
I warned them when they strutted around cockily after the Nevada caucus that the field of candidates was almost certainly going to consolidate quickly and the 67% of the Dem primary electorate which had not supported Sanders in the early primaries may come together to swamp him by consolidating behind a candidate or two. They were dissuaded by this and other observations and continued to assert the theory of the case would succeed, that Sanders would bring in new and rare voters which would help him win future States.
I am gobsmacked by the stubborn unwillingness of these people to observe actual election results and polling in upcoming States which shows us that if Sanders makes no alterations in his campaign that he is almost certainly on a path to electoral failure again. This failure would more strongly discredit Bernie and his movement this time, because much of the 2016 bolognafest of excuses has been cleared away. No superdelegate voting on the first ballot, no DNC thumb on the scales, better rules for voter access in many States, etc. They seem to want to continue to execute what is being shown as a bad plan, not in theory, but in reality. Shit is getting real now.
Nothing I can disagree with in this post. I proudly cast my vote for Warren today (early voting) then had to endure people kvetching about Warren the snake or how she is evil to stay in.
Come on people. Some of Bernie’s supporters are actually the worst. And I love Bernie and would proudly vote for him in the general, risk be damned. I know how far he’s come to get here. But Warren is the better choice.
I wish we could ship the Bernie trolls, the Clinton (Bernie never accomplished anything in 30 years except for costing her the election) dead-enders and the tRump brain worm zombies all to a deserted island and let them nag and jiff each other to death, leaving the rest of us the hell alone.
Lastly, this:
“I think women have been the most resistant to trying that experiment, and it’s doomed all the women who ran in this contest.”
Plus the fact that older Blacks support Biden not because they love him, but because they think he’s the most acceptable person to WHITE people, Is the suckiest part of all. Oppression is a mofo ain’t it? You could be free for 50 years, but your mind can be so used to being fucked over, you STILL will be doing Massa’s will and upholding his rules.
…. and it’s totally understandable.
BTW. Bernie could end all of this if he could actually turn out the numbers of young people he’s been promising. Obama knew how to do it. The next progressive champion ( and given the trajectory of this country, there will be another one next cycle) needs to humble him/herself and ask him how.
I think you’re wrong to say that black voters don’t love Joe Biden or that they’re voting for him for purely defensive reasons. I think the affection is real and genuine, and they see Biden as a third term for Obamaism, which is a brand of politics that they wholeheartedly support.
The fact that he signed on as Obama’s loyal #2 won him a lot of cred among african-american voters.
Okay, you’ve convinced me to vote for Biden here in Virginia. I had just about decided to skip the primary. Very well written post.
I’m happier to learn that I’ve convinced you to vote than about any decision you’ve made on who to support.
The last round of polls just came out and they show Biden with a possible lead in delegates by the end of Tuesday. Biden up in 7 states, including Texas and only down by 7 in California with Warren + Bloomberg above 15%.
https://www.dataforprogress.org/memos/super-tuesday-final-polling
Martin, Thanks for the excellent piece. Its among your best work.
Thank you.
I concur with the comment. This is one of your best posts.
I still find it amazing that we started with a field of candidates that included many women and many non-whites and many young folks, but have come down to Sanders vs. Biden. This is what Democrats actually wanted? I guess I have no choice but to accept that. Look at the photo of Sanders backed by a bunch of college-aged kids.
I like Sanders’ politics, but unfortunately I have to agree that he has never done the necessary job of building bridges. He has always been the angry, grouchy guy wagging his finger at the audience. There’s a big audience for that brand of populism, just as there’s a big audience for Trump’s brand of populism.
How was he supposed to build bridges when he runs a campaign on giving the middle finger to billionaires and all the others take the money of said billionaires?
You argument in this thread looks too much like Bernie has no choice but to make the exact decisions that he makes and no potential for getting better results by using different approaches. If that’s true, it’s not much of a defense, but I doubt you actually believe it.
Even if Bernie had used a different approach in 2016 I don’t believe he would be getting anymore democratic party support than he does now. And if changing his approach decades ago is what is required then he wouldn’t be the Bernie that excites many people. At best its tinkering around the edges.
I’ll just offer Jesse Jackson as an example of a politician who, over a decade or so, built bridges to an astonishing array of constituencies and voters, enough so that he finished second in the 1988 presidential primary campaign.
Thanks for your question. The most current example/answer is Warren. Her policy agenda is very much like Sanders’, but 1) she joined the Democratic party; 2) she worked the Congress and the White House (as well as an outside game) to get the CFPB created; 3) she did the bureaucratic work to stand up the agency; 4) she’s campaigned for and supported many Democrats running for office.
I’m not saying Warren is “better” than Sanders, or that anyone should support her over him. I’m just saying that she provides an example of how a progressive politician can build bridges. Ted Kennedy’s an older example. So is Hubert Humphrey. They’ve all got problems and have made mistakes. And every politician reaps the benefits of how they go about their job…and pays the consequences for it. Bernie chose not to be a bridge-builder (for the most part). He’s benefited from that decision. And he’s also limited by it.
And with all that, she’s doing incomparably worse than Sanders in the primaries.
Yep, and we could debate all the reasons for that. The situation Sanders is in right now is that he’s a very strong factional candidate within the party. He’s built up a loyal and strong base of supporters. His problem is that it’s a minority of the voters in the Democratic primaries, and because he’s spent years *not* building bridges to the rest of the party, he’s finding it enormously difficult to go from winning 1/3 (or so) of the vote to winning 1/2 of the vote.
P.S. As I mentioned above to MNPundit, Jesse Jackson is another example. It’s astonishing—given Jackson’s relationship to the mainstream of the Democratic party in, say, 1974-79, that he finished 2nd for the party’s presidential nomination in 1988. Watch clips of his 1988 “Patchwork Quilt” convention speech for some insight into how he did it.
If Sanders had spent the last four years giving variations on *that* speech instead of giving variations on his standard speech, it would (I suspect) have had a noticeable impact on current events.
I will say this, ultimately unlike 2016 when HRC cheated, the fight this year has been generally fair. But if after the failed Obama presidency if democrats still want to go with Biden I’m done as a democrat. I’ll vote for Biden, I’ll vote for the best candidates that I can vote for which is 99.9% gonna be a democrat. But the party can go fuck itself if it wants my money or support.
I feel there are so many progressive orgs out there that are quite effective at pushing “real” progressive candidates that you should really reconsider. Specifically, organizations that are trying hard to push the Democratic party left. I don’t see any path to fixing this country that does not run through the Democratic party. But that will require a multi-decade commitment, and the willingness for cold-blooded lesser-of-two-evils voting in most cases.
Bottom line, the most important thing you can do is not the act of voting, but rather involvement with political organizations. Far more impactful, in my view at least.
I’ve been at it since 2004. Obama was the best chance but he failed even worse than I’d anticipated I knew it would happen, his Daily Kos diaries made that clear but the scope still took me by surprise. I don’t see any path to fixing the country that runs through the Democratic party. Biden’s gonna lose to Trump but even if he won, if he accomplishes anything legislatively beyond cutting social security it will be astonishing. Also I have under lying conditions that put at me risk for death via corona virus so political organizing is really the last thing I should do this year since I am primary care for my toddler.
Boo hoo. I’ve been in this since my father was in Vietnam and I was 14. It’s a marathon. It’s a labor of Hercules. It’s hard and usually disappointing. If that’s too much then welcome our orange overlord.
But I think we have a duty to the people for whom the Democratic Party is the only protection. You’re tired? We don’t get tired till the haters get tired of hating, till the homeless aren’t anymore and we’ve turned around the threat of a climate disaster.This isn’t about our feelings, we have people to protect, people to help.
This is the most depressing thing I’ve read, in the most depressing election cycle I’ve been involved in. We’re to the point where supporters of the “progressive” candidate are demanding that the remaining (competitive) woman exit the race and toss her support to him. The fact that Warren is polling behind three mediocre, elderly, white men, two of whom aren’t even democrats, one just had a fucking heart attack, and the other a bullshit machine speaks volumes about this country, none of it good.
I don’t think I ever recovered from the 2010 midterms, but 2014 and 2016 finished me off.
I wish I could disagree but…
I was happy to vote for Warren when I turned in my early ballot, and I think by far she is the one candidate that clearly understands the moment we are in and could best work around the nearly innumerable obstacles to getting anything accomplished if a Democrat wins the presidency. Regardless, it appears that a huge swath of the electorate isn’t voting on ideology or policy- they are pretty much voting for the candidate that they think can “best” beat Trump. And sure enough, the anointed two candidates, while completely different ideologically, have amazingly very similar numbers against Trump and are, of course, the ones poll the best against him. I think a huge reason for this current situation is a really crappy media environment where self-interested giant media companies do a terrible job of informing the public and are absolutely fantastic at covering the horse race, so the only thing the average voters knows much about now is who is up and who is down, or who won or lost.
The sad thing about all this is that, as Senator Warren puts it: “Progressives are going to get exactly one chance to make transformative change” and the odds of any sort of progressive reform, which our government is so badly in need of, getting done by either a Sanders or Biden administration is pretty low. But of course, the mechanics of how nothing will get done are completely different between the two guys, so I guess Democrats still can argue about which one will be less of a failure.
Warren is definitely the best candidate to both bridge the moderate/progressive divide, and to retain suburban center-right voters and pick up rural center-right voters.
Warren knows how to talk to people, and I think that any deficits she has in polls now would evaporate if she became the nominee.
Unfortunately, Democratic voters are desperate, and desperation typically leads to bad choices.
PS: Sanders voters in 2016 primary, Clinton voter in 2016. Will crawl over broken glass to vote for whomever the (D) nominee is.
Martin, it is a credit to the quality of your insight and analysis that I pay real money to come here and get depressed day after day.
Since I still sorta like her, I have a few quotes from Elizabeth on both Sanders and Biden from Huff Post;
“This crisis demands more than a senator who has good ideas but whose 30-year track record shows he consistently calls for things he fails to get done and consistently opposes things he nevertheless fails to stop,”
“Consistently opposes things he nevertheless fails to stop.” A mark, I think, that will leave.
Nah. Being right a lot is never easy.
lol.
Excellent analysis. Posts like this are a refreshing break from the typical garbage one reads most places.
I keep thinking about FDR, and I get the impression that he was a near perfect mix of sweet talker and shanker. The mainstream did not fear him and he was excellent (for the most part) at building relationships with folks in the party machine. Also very good at getting others to take blame for policies that were considered extreme. But, at the end of the day, he shanked them good. And changed this country fundamentally.
If my reading of history is accurate, and he really sensed that Hoover was a shoe in in ’28, then his backing of Al Smith was a brilliant example of this – get rid of your most significant opponent, all the while making them think you are doing them a favor. Not something I see Sanders doing, not even close.
Do you see anyone in the Democratic party who has this balance of skills? Especially among the up-and-coming generation?
I can almost always find something to criticize, but word for word on-target.
Thank you. Nitpickers are no fun.