Via email, I have Obama’s statement.
Statement of Senator Barack Obama on FISA Compromise
“Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people. There is also little doubt that the Bush Administration, with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies, has abused that authority and undermined the Constitution by intercepting the communications of innocent Americans without their knowledge or the required court orders.
“That is why last year I opposed the so-called Protect America Act, which expanded the surveillance powers of the government without sufficient independent oversight to protect the privacy and civil liberties of innocent Americans. I have also opposed the granting of retroactive immunity to those who were allegedly complicit in acts of illegal spying in the past.
“After months of negotiation, the House today passed a compromise that, while far from perfect, is a marked improvement over last year’s Protect America Act.
“Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the President’s illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over. It restores FISA and existing criminal wiretap statutes as the exclusive means to conduct surveillance – making it clear that the President cannot circumvent the law and disregard the civil liberties of the American people. It also firmly re-establishes basic judicial oversight over all domestic surveillance in the future. It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses. But this compromise guarantees a thorough review by the Inspectors General of our national security agencies to determine what took place in the past, and ensures that there will be accountability going forward. By demanding oversight and accountability, a grassroots movement of Americans has helped yield a bill that is far better than the Protect America Act.
“It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the Inspectors General, and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives – and the liberty – of the American people.”
Let’s start with the positive news. Obama will work in the Senate to remove the retroactive immunity portion of this bill. Let me be clear about something. If Obama wants the Dems in the caucus to filibuster the bill, it will be filibustered. ‘Working’ to remove immunity means nothing unless it is removed. It will not be removed unless the bill is killed altogether. Obama can’t play us for fools here.
He’s also totally wrong about this bill’s merits for oversight. I’m a little too angry right now to blog responsibly, so I’ll just leave it at that for now. All I can say is that Obama’s ‘work’ in the Senate better be ‘work we can believe in’.
67% of Obama’s supporters were described as enthusiastic or very enthusiastic in a poll.
I guess Obama figured that number was too high.
Well, he DID promise to bring change.
yesterday, I was pretty pleased with Obama.
Today, I have changed.
I am pissed.
Whine, whine, whine…
Well, at least now I know you’re not a troll. 🙂
Yep, that’s the ticket.
Who stole his spine in the middle of the night?
Can he weasel with the best of them? Yes he can!
“Working in the Senate” is way too weak to mean anything. What we need to know is, will he vote for a bill with immunity in it, or not? Or will he lead a filibuster against the bill?
Hoping for the best, but Bob Barr is starting to look pretty good right now.
No, Bob Barr still looks like Bob Barr.
And the Dems, minority or majority, still look like Dems.
will be going a little longer for his next contribution.
I hate pouring my money down a rat-hole.
What can he do to recover from this appalling error?
hate to write this.
Change. What change?
Obama clinched the nomination and has moved right of center.
He’d better not keep this up.
I just had a conversation with the lady who owns the business next door to ours and it seems to fit in here.
I told her I was a political blogger and very involved in the whole political thing, then I mentioned the fisa thing today of which she had no knowledge whatsoever and when I told her about it she was quite livid and angry.
Next she said she had some questions about Obama, ‘things keep circulating on the internet that he doesn’t salute the flag, is he not patriotic’ she asked, well I filled her in with all of that and added and no he is not a Muslim.
Later when talking about Iraq War she said that a friend of her was all gung ho about going to Iraq a few years back and when he returned he was a different man. He said that before embarking to Iraq they were shown video of the people falling from the towers on 911 and splatting on the ground, yes pics of the splatting, including pregant women. I guess this was to get them all fired up about killing the towel heads.
She said she was mostly independent but the one thing she was strong about was that Bush was the worst pres. ever and that he had totally f$%^&& up this country.
If the bill passes in the senate there will be no more doubt about what a Obama administration will look like. We will know.
First words from a Obama administration will be; “Let us forget the mistakes of the past and move on. Now is not the time to investigate the previous administration, it is the time to work together to bring our country together so we can look toward a better future.”
You could see it coming when he unveiled his national security advisor panel last week. It was full of bums.
nalbar
Agree completely. This is what pisses me off far more than just telcom immunity, which I could get over. It’s going to be 1993 all over again when Obama takes office, and 2010 and 2012 are going to be big recovery years for Republicans before we go through this whole damned cycle all over again. Except the country isn’t in anywhere near the same shape internationally and economically as it was in 1993. I don’t think we can take another cycle.
I guess he’s going to roll out a new theme for the general election campaign. Change is so … yesterday.
Although it will be fun watching all the rabid Obama supporters figure out that he’s a politician just like all politicians. He’ll do what it takes to get elected.
This should be no surprise about Obama. He has a history of voting “no” but doing nothing to really stop the event from happening. Look at the Supreme Court nominations.
We shouldn’t put him on a pedestal. We should always hold his feet to the fire.
“he’s a politician just like all politicians. He’ll do what it takes to get elected.“
Right on! It is what I have been trying to drill into the heads of the Obama dreamers from the beginning.
“So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the Inspectors General, and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives – and the liberty – of the American people.”
Oh, he is going to CAREFULLY monitor the program. Whereas, god knows, McCain would be very slapdash in his monitoring of the program, just has Bush has been of the prior illegal programs. This really is change I can believe in– i.e., a purely semantic, utterly bullshit illusion of change.
At least it’s shocked the blogs enough to turn cheerleaders back into a pressure group again. How nice to see people at dailykos spitting mad at Dem spinelessness again and especially at the spinelessness of our prospective Jellyfish-In-Chief.
BULLSHIT! So now we know. Once again, we have been screwed!
Unfortunately, it’s deja vu all over again. I’ve seen this movie too many times.
What on earth does Obama mean by “the legitimate threats we face”? He can’t mean that the terrorists have legitimate reasons for which to threaten us.
He must mean that the threats are “legitimate” in that they are real, as opposed to the threats we faced from Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which were not real but fabricated, and so “illegitimate” in Obama’s sense.
Still, it’s a funny choice of words. I can’t imagine anyone from outside the Beltway speaking like that. He’s only been a senator for less than four years, and already he speaks Washington-speak. So much for change.
What I just sent to Obama’s senate office:
That said – I know that they know I’ll still support him, because the alternative is unthinkable. But this is really an issue I expected him to take more leadership on. If not now, when?
The best take yet on Obama’s position:
emphasis mine
And that’s what the arrogant last paragraph of Obama’s statement is all about.
Uh…no.
Take a look around the blogosphere.
I have taken a look.
Maybe the use of ‘any’ is too broad. But I’d say Obama has to expend ‘absolutely minimal’ political capital to end up with expanded powers. The blogosphere is small. Most of the public (heck, most of the blogosphere) knows nothing about the FISA fight except the immunity issues.
If he comes out strong against telcom immunity next week, most of the blogosphere will forgive and forget. The general public will think he’s brave.
But don’t take it from me. Let’s go to the oracle – McJoan – DailyKos’ principal blogger on FISA and someone you think is a netroots hero on FISA (or whatever you called her):
See? Even McJoan will forgive him if he can help kill immunity. Even if the rest of the bill passes “as is”.
Note that Balkin didn’t opine on whether it was possible to kill immunity. He just said that being against immunity made sense for Obama and being perfectly happy to accept expanded presidential powers also makes sense. And everyone should recognize that.
you’re a better lawyer than that, mary.
You know the 60-vote requirement for passing anything, including stripping out parts of the bill.
Obama cannot strip immunity without 60 votes, but the leadership can’t pass the overall bill without 60 votes. The only way to stop this is on final passage and the whole blogosphere knows it, including McJoan.
This is not about what can actually happen. This is a discussion about the politics of the matter and how what actually happens can be spun.
I hate that all we do is disagree these days. But this time is my fault because I broke my promise that I would stay out of your FISA threads. Sorry about that. I’ll try to remember next time.
I didn’t realize you had made such a pledge.
There’s a conditional statement in there. Are you backtracking on it now?
Oops. I meant to blockquote this:
I don’t think Obama thinks of the NetRoots as his base.
Let me know how the facebook crowd is taking this statement.
we’re part of, and therefore reflective of, a huge percentage of his activist base. He would not deny that.
On the day that he decides to go without public funding, he seriously pisses off a huge part of his enthusiastic base.
I’m really confused by this. I was expecting a more clever move. As it is, I am left VERY annoyed by the whole thing, and VERY disinclined to chip any bucks the way of Mr. Weenie-Spine Obama for a period.
He needs to do something bold to get back in my good graces. I’m not sure what. He could begin by actually stripping the telcomm immunity, but that seems close to impossible.
I was going to whip out my credit card and donate to Obama’s campaign, but I just couldn’t do it today.
Others have noted that it may indeed extend immunity to others besides the telecoms. Will we see the war contractors like Blackwater move to dismiss lawsuits based on this law? What about liability for those that tortured?
As Greenwald noted the House members had 24 hours to review the precise details. One should assume the telecom lobbyist and dirty ratfucks like Steny Hoyer made it as horrible as possible.
We really are in unique territory here. This is unbelievable. Obama is a fraud.
Booman was asking Hoyer to read the Church report. I wish ALL Americans would read “Challenging the Secret Government”, a book about the Church and Pike committees, because the results were the same as today, the same as they have always been.
Every time a crime is committed, a lot of wailing and handwringing happens, and then the illegal act is actually made LEGAL by new legislation.
We’ve been creeping towards fascism for a very long time now, and we’re at the gate, and it’s cracked open. We already had people in compounds after Katrina. We had people with arms forbidding Katrina refugees from crossing into other areas of their own country.
It’s past midnight. And still we wring our hands, and legalize more criminal activity. What have we become????
Did you see Rush Holt’s statement?
HT to Blue Jersey
It’s time to organize an online donation boycott and give the Obama campaign time to realize before the vote how bad this is going to hurt their fund-raising. If you’re opposed to telcom immunity, don’t give to the Obama campaign until this is resolved and also tell everyone you know not to give. He won’t stand up for principle, maybe at least he will vote the right way out of financial self-interest.
Obama’s statement, summarized: “I opposed the Protect America Act before I voted for it.”
Remind you of anyone?
Words escape me.. There are lines that aren’t crossed without a bloody fight.
There comes a time when you either stand for what is right come what may or you tuck your tail and crawl under the porch and lick where your manhood should have been attached.
My hopes of seeing Obama fight for the reinstation of our Constitutional rights undermined by the Bush grab for power are devastated.
I will no longer contribute to his campaign and have deleted my account on his web site as well as requesting to be removed from their mailing lists.
I believe we have just seen the loss of the elections to the Republican party.
You might be jumping the gun. You might not. But I’d wait and see what happens before I tune out.
Thanks Boo, I pray to god I am.
Long time lurker who respects your take.
I like it when people de-lurk.