Over the weekend, the main political topic on social media was civility. Progressives and liberals spent much of their time laying into people David Atkins characterized as “the civility police.” And there were plenty of targets. There was Washington Post columnist David Ignatius:
Hard to imagine an incident that would be more helpful to Trump White House and more harmful to its critics than this refusal to serve a senior government official, however troubling her views. https://t.co/J1OOS2puUK
— David Ignatius (@IgnatiusPost) June 24, 2018
The Washington Post’s editorial page editor Fred Hiatt also weighed in, as did former top Obama strategist David Axelrod. And the battle continues today, with the Post not letting up. The top article on their website right now has the headline Liberal hostility toward Trump aides could galvanize the GOP base and Mary Jordan has a disapproving article on The latest sign of political divide: Shaming and shunning public officials. Despite putting up a masthead in response to the Trump administration that says “Democracy Dies in Darkness,” it’s very clear that the culture of the Post is firmly opposed to the harassment or denial of services to White House officials.
I weighed in on this topic yesterday, but my focus was a little different there than it will be here. Today, I want to once again draw attention to something I harp on from time to time. And that is how the people who live in Washington DC and serve as a kind of permanent (elite) community tend to react when someone from their social network gets into real trouble.
The best introduction to this tight-knit community remains a article Sally Quinn wrote in 1998 in which she interviewed more than one hundred “Establishment Washingtonians” (as she termed them) to get their reactions to the revelation that President Bill Clinton had conducted a series of furtive trysts with a White House intern and then lied about it under oath. Needless to say, they were completely appalled.
THIS IS THEIR HOME. This is where they spend their lives, raise their families, participate in community activities, take pride in their surroundings. They feel Washington has been brought into disrepute by the actions of the president.
“It’s much more personal here,” says pollster Geoff Garin. “This is an affront to their world. It affects the dignity of the place where they live and work. . . . Clinton’s behavior is unacceptable. If they did this at the local Elks Club hall in some other community it would be a big cause for concern.”
“He came in here and he trashed the place,” says Washington Post columnist David Broder, “and it’s not his place.”
…”This is our town,” says Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, the first Democrat to forcefully condemn the president’s behavior. “We spend our lives involved in talking about, dealing with, working in government. It has reminded everybody what matters to them. You are embarrassed about what Bill Clinton’s behavior says about the White House, the presidency, the government in general.”
In the piece, Ms. Quinn acknowledged that there was a disconnect between how the broader country felt about the scandal and how Establishment Washingtonians felt. Polls indicated that the public was displeased but inclined to move on. Within the Village, however, there was an unrelenting and bipartisan thirst for punishment. Clearly, Bill Clinton had transgressed their moral code and in the process had sullied their own reputations and community.
But this is not how they reacted when members of their community committed more serious crimes during the Iran-Contra scandal and the subsequent obstruction of the investigation. I first wrote about this way back in 2007 in a piece called Richard Cohen and White-Collar Crime. Mr. Cohen was responding to the 1992 Christmas Eve massacre when lame duck president George H.W. Bush “granted full pardons to six former officials in Ronald Reagan’s Administration, including former Defense Secretary Caspar W. Weinberger,” who had been indicted by independent prosecutor, Lawrence E. Walsh. Here’s how the New York Times reported it at the time:
Decapitated Walsh Efforts
But in a single stroke, Mr. Bush swept away one conviction, three guilty pleas and two pending cases, virtually decapitating what was left of Mr. Walsh’s effort, which began in 1986. Mr. Bush’s decision was announced by the White House in a printed statement after the President left for Camp David, where he will spend the Christmas holiday.
Mr. Walsh bitterly condemned the President’s action, charging that “the Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed.”
Mr. Walsh directed his heaviest fire at Mr. Bush over the pardon of Mr. Weinberger, whose trial would have given the prosecutor a last chance to explore the role in the affair of senior Reagan officials, including Mr. Bush’s actions as Vice President.
As noted in the last sentence there, the president was clearly using the pardon power to protect himself, which is something we may see repeated in coming days. This did not concern Richard Cohen in the least.
…when Weinberger was indicted by Lawrence E. Walsh, the special Iran-contra prosecutor, I despaired.
…Back when Caspar Weinberger was secretary of defense, he and I used to meet all the time. Our “meetings” — I choose to call them that — took place in the Georgetown Safeway, the one on Wisconsin Avenue, where I would go to shop and Cap would too. My clear recollection is that once — was it before Thanksgiving? — he bought a turkey.
I tell you this about the man President Bush just pardoned because it always influenced my opinion of Weinberger…
Cap, my Safeway buddy, walks, and that’s all right with me. As for the other five, they are not crooks in the conventional sense but Cold Warriors who, confident in the justice of their cause, were contemptuous of Congress. Because they thought they were right, they did not think they had to be accountable. This is the damage the Cold War did to our democracy…
But [Bush] is wrong in asserting that a mere difference of opinion constituted the charges against the pardoned six. They were accused of lying to Congress. In a political context, that might not warrant jail time, but it’s something short of noble.
Cohen would give us a repeat performance fifteen years later, when he argued that Scooter Libby shouldn’t be prosecuted for obstructing the Valerie Plame investigation because, although “government officials should not lie to grand juries, …neither should they be called to account for practicing the dark art of politics.”
There was no shortage of Villagers, including Clinton’s top MonicaGate defender James Carville, who made the same arguments on Scooter Libby’s behalf. His sentence should be commuted (at it was by Dubya) or he should receive a full pardon (as he was recently granted by Trump) because he had not been convicted of the underlying crime of leaking Valerie Plame’s identity.
Many of the same voices have spoken up in similar terms to defend Michael Flynn (who copped a plea) and Paul Manafort who just went to prison. Neither of them has confessed to colluding with the Russians, so their perjury or obstruction of justice should be overlooked.
We do not hear these same kinds of arguments for ordinary citizens of the United States who lie to the FBI or Congress. But when a member of the Washington Establishment runs afoul of the law, they seem to always get a pass. Maybe Flynn and Manafort were working with a hostile foreign power to help win a presidential election or maybe they were just “practicing the dark art of politics.”
One can’t help but notice the discomfort in DC with the sudden attention being paid to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), and it’s obvious why this is concerning. The scrutiny has already taken down Tony Podesta’s lobbying shop, and it threatens many more powerful lobbyists who serve unsavory foreign clients. It’s a clear example of a “the law is for thee and not for me” mentality.
If you or I lie to federal investigators, or we obstruct an investigation, or we don’t register as lobbyists, then we should not expect any mercy or any editorials urging leniency in our case.
And this is the lens through which I interpret the reaction to Sarah Huckabee Sanders not being allowed to eat at a small Virginia restaurant. If she can be denied service for political reasons, then any member of the Village can be denied service for political reasons. Protecting her rights and privileges is a way of protecting their own rights and privileges.
But this is the wrong way of looking at this issue. As I pointed out in my weekend piece, a very large and growing segment of the left no longer considers this a political argument. It has become a moral imperative not to treat Trump and his staff as normal in any way. These are not mere disagreements, but human rights violations.
We also feel that the actions of the president have embarrassed and sullied our communities and that he must be held accountable. But our values are different. We take lying about trading arms for hostages more seriously than lying about an extramarital dalliance. And we don’t accept the transgressions of the Trump administration as mere “dark arts,” that should be tolerated or forgiven.
I understand that Establishment Washingtonians have difficulty seeing things from our point of view, but they are going to have to accept that for many people the Trump administration has crossed an invisible line and no longer can treated as just the opposing political party. When they obstruct the Russia investigation we don’t care where they bought their Thanksgiving turkey, they must pay the same price we would pay. And when they take people’s children away and lose track of them, we don’t care how that “plays” politically because it’s an atrocity.
There’s much truth in what you write, Martin, but I’m curious as to why the free pass didn’t extend to Clinton re: Monica (and didn’t extend to Hillary either). It seems there’s a clear double standard, a way in which Democrats are not treated as serious people and are not accorded the same deference as Republicans. For the life of me, I can’t figure out why.
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A lot of it was simple snobbery toward Arkansas.
But it’s also the nature of the crime. Cold War excess and a desire to free hostages were seen as legitimate political disagreements, whereas fooling around with an intern was seen as far below the dignity of the office of the presidency.
Destroying a CIA officer’s career concerned them, fairly deeply in fact, but not enough to warrant sending one of their own to prison for it. They would have been fine with removing Clinton from office for lying about a blow job however. Strange people.
Clinton just wasn’t a respectable person, but Dubya could lead us to ruin lying all the way and still be considered a member of the Club.
It’s not a partisan issue. It’s probably more that they looked down their nose at Clinton from the beginning and then he confirmed their low opinion of him.
They don’t like Trump, either, but not to the point that they want his people being denied cheese plates.
I really think you are too sanguine when it comes to this subject. Of course it’s `partisan’, just not in a political sense. It’s partisan in an economic and color sense. No way you believe this all suddenly came to be when Clinton won.
Democrats lost the media when they started taking the issues of the poor and POC as issues that could win elections. White led media did not like, and still does not approve of, that association.
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Agreed.
As I’ve said elsewhere, if a conservative restaurant owner had kicked out a member of the Obama administration the same people would be lecturing us about Free Martkets (TM)!, Private Ownership, and the Founding Fathers (TM) sacred right to refuse service to ANYONE!
Right. As they just did when a conservative baker refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.
American journalists have been knuckling under to Republican incivility for decades. But they’re always “sad” when Democrats push back against Republican ruthlessness.
. . . beginning the instant we fight back.
Thanks. Appreciate the perspective. Will have to sit with it. There’s definitely an elitism, a snobbery. But there also seems to be a double standard, at least with many of them. A willingness to give Republicans a free pass whereas Democrats would have been called to task for the very same thing (or far less). Recall how Al Gore was mocked and dismissed while the boy blunder was considered completely serious and presidential despite not being able to string two coherent sentences together.
Perhaps it’s just because the elites among them are moneyed folks looking out for those they perceive as better representing their interests.
Unspoken, but couldn’t be implied more clearly: “It’s ours!”
The quintessential quote (booman did quote it) from the quintessential documentation of the Beltway Village (the Sally Quinn column booman linked).
I’ve occasionally recommended reading Gingrich’s 1996 GOPAC memo and Suskind’s Reality-Based Community anecdote as together forming a Rosetta Stone for translating what’s so very broken about our politics and public discourse, who broke them, and with what goal intended. I realize I was remiss in neglecting to include that Quinn column as the Origin Story of the Villagers’ role in enabling all that.
I’m afraid we’re shouting into the darkness on this one. Just how monstrous do Trump folks have to be before the press really turns?
>>Just how monstrous do Trump folks have to be before the press really turns?
I don’t think it will ever happen.
Someone at dkos used to have the saying “Freedom of the press applies only to those rich enough to own one.” The owners of the presses want republican policies that will keep making them richer. Even if the press someday turns on Trump personally, they will still be against Democrats.
Yep!
A couple years ago (it seems like a century!) Booman did an excellent diary about whom would be the Chairs of committees if democrats maintain control of the house. The gist was that a lot of POC were in line to take over Committees, and whether the leadership would change the rules to prevent that from happening (if I recall correctly). It never came to be, but I assume that situation is still sitting there.
So just wait. As soon as it is POC that are haranguing corrupt white men from the center seat, the media will be screaming for decorum. The antics of Nunes, Ryan, Issa, etc, will all be forgotten, and to the media they will all be exemplars of moral rectitude, and we will have constant stories of the good old days.
They are beyond reproach, because they are white and rich men, and they hang out with other white and rich men. And that is exactly whom the media wants to hang out with.
Of course it’s all Obama’s fault, for reaching too high.
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Similar to the Bush administration but adjusted for current markets: when the Dow Jones drops below 20,000.
I think that is exactly right.
I can’t keep the “conservative” rules straight any more. Is one to ignore the Lib’rul Media altogether (which seems coherent in a braindead sort of way) or is one to credit the Lib’rul Media and parrot it when it fixates on some shit issue in your favor? (which is incoherent).
This Hucksterbee-Sanders uproar is the perfect sort of thing for the elite media to prattle about: they build their rep with the deplorable Trumpists and Repub daddies while getting to tut-tut about “civility”, an ideal which apparently only angry libs can transgress. These “opinion leaders” are beyond hope, as Der Trumper’s Kiddie Koncentration Kamps have now made clear.
In the grand sweep of the past 50 years, the chummy Beltwayers have done an excellent job implicitly maintaining and supporting the monstrously destructive Conservative Era. As Roberts’ Repubs have now destroyed any chance of combating Repub election ratfucking and any chance for the majority to regain federal power, they can pat themselves on the back at the organic aisle of the Georgetown Safeway…”Gotta stay off that slippery slope of incivility!” Yep, that’s what really has to be policed–especially for libs!
I’m done hearing about the Beltway’s opinions on anything. They are so divorced from America, from morality, from fairness, from human decency at this point. They can circle the wagons all they want. It won’t work this time.
The very fact that they can’t see what is happening as an atrocity tells us everything we need to know about them.
The Villagers are misreading the public mood, and they are as off today as they were when they just knew the voters would feel about Bill Clinton as Sally Quinn did. Sure, the right may get riled up by this, but don’t think those who oppose them weren’t already riled up, and taking and jailing children has made them even more so. Sanders getting booted from a restaurant isn’t going to dampen that or cause them to sympathize with Trump at all.
Why would they ask her to leave? Whatever happened to adulterating the food? Have restaurants changed? No, I’m sorry, Ma’am, our chef cannot share the secret ingredients of our garnishes. Come back soon!
That’s how it was when I was a cook. I’ve seen all sorts of food abuse when a customer was problematic.
Trevor Noah proffered a similar sort of SHS handling: deliver her an empty plate and when she asked where her food was, say “It’s right there. I was told by the kitchen staff that the food is there so you can take the matter up with them…….. his take was actually better than my recounting, but I thought the concept was good. Besides which, her party did get to eat the cheese boards and the house waived all charges.
For anyone who is still pondering whether morality guides politics or politics reflects morality, it’s time to rip that band aid right off. It’s two distinct sets of rules to live by.
For the betterment of the Country it’s probably past time for Dems to take the reins on the political discourse and pound home the argument that we draw the line of gamesmanship at immoral acts.
Sanders has worked for an administration where she joined in daily on lying to the American people under the guise, as Trump laid out, that it’s just lying to the media not testifying to a grand jury.
As many have pointed out, the Sanders/Red Hen issue is good to see on the basis of the owner’s character assessment rather than racial or sexual orientation. I’m just fine with that interpretation. Character matters.
Shorter Booman: the Village doesn’t give two shits for our great Republic, nor for the norms of our democracy.
They could give two shits for The Western Alliance.
All they care about is their narrow little perquisites, and that’s where it stops.
Traitorous motherfuckers.
Time for the pink code. They did wonders for the public life of Donald Rumsfeld.
If I lived near DC I would think about organizing a Night of the Cream Pies, a coordinated operation in which pies are administered in public–civilly, of course–to the faces of these preening puffers. Antic music à la flash mob would be a great touch. While the members of the administration deserve to be hounded relentlessly in public, comic public humiliation seems to me better suited to their Villager defenders.
Somewhat OT: yesterday afternoon, before T. Ronald Dump went after the Red Hen, I found its website and sent a message congratulating the owner and staff on their moral act, saying that I understood the restaurant graciously picked up the tab of the disinvited party, and asking for instructions about making out a check to help compensate them. I haven’t yet heard anything, and imagine they’ve been flooded. I’ll wait a few days, then will give them a call.
Some folks are purchasing gift certificates from the restaurant and asking they be given to deserving volunteers or teachers: https:/redhenlex.com/gift-certificates
Thank you very much–exactly what I need.
Thank you for helping out!
Oh FFS. I’m so bloody sick & damn tired of all the constant shaming & blaming of hippie Libtards whenever anyone speaks out, no matter how “nicely” or not.
Let’s recall Joe Wilson shouting out at Obama’s first SOTU address: “You Lie!” Yeah, there was some media attention, but not all that negative. And my understanding is that Wilson got over $1million in donations in response. When the dirty hippies protested, we were told to STFU.
Let’s recall all of those nasty astorturfed Tea Bagger rallies and Town Halls that happened mostly in 2009 (and beyond) after a blackity black black BLACK man was elected POTUS. Tea Baggers kept claiming their (bowel) movement was “organic,” but it’s been proven to be heavily funded by rightiwing Oligarchs (I think it was a Kochs but don’t quote me). Those rightwingers went nuts at many Town Halls shrieking and screaming. They spit on black Democratic politicians. They ran around with Obama as Hitler signs. They hung Obama in effigy, FFS, and all other kinds of atrocities.
But we were all adjured that blessed dainty conservatives were just exercising their First Amendment rights. Not all that much tsk-tsking and tut-tutting from the largely rightwing media.
So now, there’s some real push-back from citizens from what are truly egregious behaviors by this POTUS and his mouthpieces, and once again, it’s the hippies who are punched endlessly for not being “polite” or something.
EFF THAT.
Michelle Obama said “When they go low, we go high.” Nice sentiments, but it’s been proven endlessly to be a worthless strategy.
Rightwingers fight low and as dirty as possible and they could give a shit whether they’re hypocrtical or not. In fact, they LOVE being hypocrites. Why not? They LOVE LIARS. They amply REWARD LIARS time after time.
All that appears to “count” for them is if they can give the finger to Liberals.
It’s nuts. So I say: do whatever it takes.
All this decrying about the lowered tone in America?? Who the EFF CAUSED it in the first place? It’s always been about Rush, Fox, “Christiany” Broadcasting, Breitbart, InfoWars, etc, inciting their marks in the most debased and dirty fashion possible. They go for the jugular and give no quarter.
Why should WE be held to some alleged “Higher Standard” when it does us no EFFEN good?? What’s the point? These sociopathic bullies just point and laugh at us and call us all sorts of names.
So I say: fight fire with fire. If that’s what it takes, that’s what it takes.
Screw ’em.
You forgot then Texas Governor Rick Perry (before the smart guy glasses) waving a gun and threating secession if the black guy asked him to expand Medicaid, free of charge, to Texas’ poors and elderly.
The Civility Calvary chalked this, and other Republican sedition, during the Obama administration as Real America’s (TM) frustration to DC’s aloofness from their problems.
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Thanks for this link, nalbar! That gives me some inspiration for an article to write for our local Dem Party newsletter.
Been a while since I’ve posted, but I’ve been lurking for some time.
I just had to chime in on this today.
You are so right Booman. Paul Begala was also bemoaning “civility”. And using that Michelle Obama quote about “going high”
Ugh…bows about the Beltway media, needs to stop using the Obamas to mask their unwillingness to stand up & call out their political friends and colleagues. Going high” don’t mean “lay back and take it and don’t resist”
The problem is beltway media sees themselves in SHS…& are scared that if it happened to good ole SHA, it could happen to them too.
Huckabee Sanders has literally stood at the podium in her official role and argued for the right of businesses to deny service to people on moral grounds, and she works for an administration that is intent on making that law.
She celebrated the court victory allowing “Christians” refuse service to gays, pharmacists are now permitted to object to filling prescriptions for women, insurers can refuse coverage to people with a family history of illness, and her boss would like to ban Muslims from the country, entirely.
Any defense of her right to “eat in peace” that doesn’t lead with that reality is simply bringing comfort to the powerful while ignoring the real harm occurring to others every day.
Sorry the site is screwed up folks. Working on figuring out the root of the problem. It seems to still be working on mobile devices and still serves pages normally as long as they aren’t the home page.
I logged out of the “Trumpism” story I was able to reach vie the No More Mister Nice Blog link, got back to the site via the same link, logged back in, and voila! I got the home page with all the stories.
Tried right-clicking on the home page link, then via my bookmark, and got the “server not found” message. At least I can worm my way in through that workaround and comment.
Good luck getting things back to normal, Martin! I was going into withdrawal.