If you look at the Senate Finance Committee’s health care bill (PDF), you’ll see that it substantially increases eligibility for Medicaid.
Starting in 2014, nonelderly people with income below 133 percent of the FPL would generally be made eligible for Medicaid; the federal government would pay a share of the costs of covering newly eligible enrollees that varies somewhat from year to year but ultimately would average about 90 percent. (Under current rules, the federal government usually pays about 57 percent, on average, of the costs of Medicaid benefits.) In addition, states would be required to maintain current coverage levels for children under Medicaid and CHIP through 2019.
Beginning in 2014, states would receive higher federal reimbursement for CHIP beneficiaries, increasing from an average of 70 percent to 93 percent. CBO estimates that state spending on Medicaid would increase by about $33 billion over the 2010–2019 period as a result of the specifications
affecting coverage.
The key here is that $33 billion number. We all know that state budgets are in complete disarray, and here comes the government with a substantial unfunded bill for them to pay. But that number is deceptive. What happens when a person moves from employer-based health care to one of the regional exchanges? One thing that happens is that their employer pays a fee (this is to dissuade them from dumping their employees). But the other thing that happens is that the employee’s compensation moves from untaxable health care benefits to taxable wages or salary. The states will see a spike in income tax revenue.
Now, let’s think about something. What would happen if a robust public option was added to the SFC bill, but it came with an opt-out clause for the states? Here is how Sam Stein explains the proposal:
…instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own [the Carper proposal], the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one…
…How such a system would work is still being debated, according to those with knowledge of the proposal. But theoretically, the “opt-out” approach would start with everyone having access to a public plan. What kind of public plan isn’t yet clear. States would then have the right to vote — either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree — to make the option unavailable in their health care exchanges.
When Stein says “everyone” would have access to a public plan, he means that each state would be part of the program, not that each citizen would be eligible to take part in it. While details matter greatly, in broad outlines this proposal would be the equivalent of offering each state large subsidies to pay for their uninsured, but also handing them a big bill in increased Medicaid spending. If the states participate, they’ll not only get subsidies, but they’ll get increased income tax revenue from the shifting of a portion of their workforce from tax-exempt health care compensation to taxable wages and salary.
What would happen if, for ideological reasons, some state like South Carolina decided they simply didn’t want to participate in the public option? They’d still get hammered by the increase in Medicaid eligibility, but they wouldn’t get any subsidies, they wouldn’t see any drop in the uninsured, and they wouldn’t see any increase in taxable income.
Granted that it is a bit difficult to game out the shifting revenue streams in a bill as big as this one, and that we’re talking about a proposal that has few details, but the opt-out compromise would probably not lead to any states actually opting out.
Something similar happened with the federal stimulus bill back in the spring. Govs. Mark Sanford, Rick Perry, and Sarah Palin all made noises about declining stimulus money because it would dictate to them how much unemployment insurance they had to pay out. But, in the end, no governors were willing to turn down federal money that would just be shifted to competing states.
Now, the immediate response from the FDL crew to this opt-out idea has been to raise concerns that the insurance industry will be be able to easily buy off state legislatures all across the country (even in Blue States), and get them to, ‘either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree,’ opt-out of the public option. I don’t dispute the financial clout of the insurance industry or the corruptibility of state legislators, but I see this as a rather knee-jerk reaction. I’d see a lot more validity in this critique if we were discussing an opt-in provision.
Because state legislators are already facing the necessity for brutal budgetary cuts (which definitely make them unpopular and threaten their careers) it would take quite a lot of persuading to get them to accept a huge bill from the federal government at the same time they are turning down a big wad of federal funding and killing off their taxable revenue stream.
Of course, the devil is in the details. The opt-out provision could come with even more disincentives than I’ve discussed here. Remember, the federal government forced states to raise the drinking age and establish uniform speed limits by threatening to withhold federal transportation dollars. Each state had the right to opt-out of that transportation funding but, in the end, none of them did.
I wouldn’t reflexively oppose an opt-out compromise. I’d wait to see what it looks like before deciding.
I don’t understand this part:
“this proposal would be the equivalent of offering each state large subsidies to pay for their uninsured, but also handing them a big bill in increased Medicaid spending. If the states participate, they’ll not only get subsidies, but they’ll get increased income tax revenue from the shifting of a portion of their workforce from tax-exempt health care compensation to taxable wages and salary.”
Where is the big bill in increased Medicaid spending coming from? And why is their a shift in taxable status?
Are you making some assumptions about how the opt-out provision would work, or am I just missing its obvious features?
The key is here:
FPL stands for ‘Federal Poverty Level.’ The federal government, here, is dictating to states that they have to offer Medicaid to people up to 133% of poverty. In return, they are offering to pay 90% of the bill for newly eligible people, rather than the more typical 57%.
Despite this, and other changes to CHIP, this would result in $33 billion in additional costs to the states over the next 10 years. That’s the big bill.
The shift in taxable status happens like this. Let’s say your total compensation is $92,000/year plus $8,000 in medical benefits. Your taxable income is $92,000/year. But if your company no longer has to pay that $8,000 in benefits (even if they have to pay a fine) they will shift some or most of that $8,000 to your salary or wages. You might not wind up with a full $100,000 salary, but it will go up. And the state will tax that (assuming your state has an income tax, not all do).
If a state opts-out, they’d still be on the hook for their portion of the $33 billion, but they wouldn’t see any of their citizens moving off employer-based health care and, thus, would see no spike in income tax revenue.
In addition, some of the increased subsidies for CHIP or Medicaid could be tied to a state’s participation in the public option (something I didn’t consider in this piece) thereby further deincentivizing states from opting out.
States will also benefit from having fewer uninsured people, although this is often in intangible ways that are hard to score. Local hospitals will no longer have to offer as much charity care, will make higher profits as a result, and will have more profits to tax, for example. Opting out will hurt in numerous ways.
I think you might be making unwarranted assumptions (but I’m really not sure).
If this compromise is pursued, might we also see changes that mitigate the increased Medicaid bill? Or is that set in stone?
And with regard to taxable income, I don’t know if we can assume that businesses will pass on their savings to employees in the form of higher income.
I think you can assume that they will shift some of the money to wages. Certainly, I would expect them to pocket a percentage.
But that small percentage in your pay check adds up to a lot of money when it is spread out among the whole state you live in.
While not stated explicitly, some employers would opt to drop coverage and pay the fines. The revenue from non-complying companies is estimated to be $23 billion over ten years. They would be saving more than that or they wouldn’t generally be willing to pay the fine. A big chunk of that money would be available for increased wages, which would then be taxed by both the state and the IRS.
“he shift in taxable status happens like this. Let’s say your total compensation is $92,000/year plus $8,000 in medical benefits. Your taxable income is $92,000/year. But if your company no longer has to pay that $8,000 in benefits (even if they have to pay a fine) they will shift some or most of that $8,000 to your salary or wages. You might not wind up with a full $100,000 salary, but it will go up. And the state will tax that (assuming your state has an income tax, not all do).”
really? I am going to check with my HR director about that. My feeling is that the money saved by not having to pay me benefits would go back into operations or profit. i will check back if i get an answer.
well, i just got off the phone with two successful small business owners here in philadelphia. the first says he would keep the savings for himself. his words were “what am I, a fool?” the second said the fine probably wouldn’t be anywhere near as much as what he’s currently paying out for employee health benefits, and he would consider the money saved rightfully his (he also said he would see the fine as his contribution toward health care for all).
both, by the way, support health care reform and single payer.
still waiting on my hr director, but i think this premise is highly flawed.
However, it would be very difficult to tell your employees that you are no longer offering health care benefits to them, and that they will see offsetting uptick in pay.
Some people can get away with that, no doubt, but certainly not most.
The bigger question is, would your two buddies drop coverage and pay the fine? If they did, it would increase state revenue to the degree that they made up for that with pay increases. If they pocketed all the difference, then they’d have to answer to some pretty pissed off employees and (depending on their business) have to deal with competition that was offering a better deal.
I hope you’re right, but I’m not sure.
We’re living in an employer’s market for labor, and it’s going to stay that way for years. On the other side, businesses are hurting thanks to poor consumer spending.
Given that employers have an incentive to cut corners, and employees don’t have anywhere to go, what’s likely to happen?
Whence cometh this strange belief that employers will share the windfall without some kind of carrots and sticks? Especially in this economy. Even if we assume they’re not greedy bastards (ie do not fully subscribe to American capitalism), the savings may legitimately be what keeps the business going. If they use it for updating inventory, capital goods, and the like, the savings wouldn’t even be taxed. So it would be better if they did the greedy thing and paid it all to themselves, which would mean they’d have to pay higher taxes.
exactly. I believe Booman’s observations betray a misunderstanding of how business works. Sure, maybe at some time in the indeterminate future businesses IN GENERAL will be able to pay a better wage/salary. But employers tend to pay what’s known as “the going rate”. In the near term, very few businesses are going to say “wow, i have all this extra dough. i should pay my workers more money.”
When you get an increase in pay or salary, it’s not simply because the employer can afford to pay you more: it’s because you are taking on more responsibilities, doing more work, or you’ve developed a specialized skill that is in demand.
The CBO disagrees with you to the tune of tens of billions of dollars in increased taxable revenue for the states.
really? beginning when?
here’s an idea: in the course of your day, why not call some business owners you know? ask them yourselves. see what they say.
i agree that in the long run, wages would rise. But in the short-term, not a chance. Businesses, especially small businesses, have incredibly tight profit/loss margins.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. ROTFLMAO. Sure, they will! They will just pocket the money (if they are the owners) or raise their bonuses (boni?) if they are corporate executives.
So, you reject that our wages have been flat because of the astronomical increase in the cost of health insurance. Interesting.
That is more a factor in the ballooning employee cost sharing and general cut back in benefits. However, the large scale importation of cheap foreign labor, the massive outsourcing of whole business units, and government support of union busting are much larger factors in flat wages. Why should my employer give me a raise? There are six people out there who want it and will not demand a raise. Likely, they will take it for less.
Corporations are not in business for the benefit of their employees. The too big to fail corporations are not even in business for their nominal owners, rather they are in business for the top tier of management.
When raises and other benefits are given out, it is to attract scarce workers in a tight economy. Any raises in this economy are the result of contract, minimum wage legislation, or corporate inertia.
The Citibank loan officer at my recent re-financing told me he had not had a raise in four years. Do you think Vikram Pandit and the other officers can say the same?
At least the CEOs will have to pay taxes on their raises. Pretty thin yippee beer, but a tiny tin lining. It occurs to me that the consequences of such a scenario would cause a regional difference: top-dog execs of companies outside the E coast probably at least live in the same state their companies pay taxes in. In Manhattan they probably mostly live in CT or some such place, so the additional tax revenue would go to LiebermanLandt.
“the immediate response from the FDL crew to this opt-out idea has been to raise concerns that the insurance industry will be be able to easily buy off state legislatures all across the country (even in Blue States), and get them to, ‘either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree,’ opt-out of the public option.”
In pennsylvania, i can very easily see that happening. VERY easily. Just look at the hold the casino and gun lobbies have on our state legislators.
Yeah, like I said, I don’t discount the power of the insurance industry or the corruptibility of local pols, but we have to look at the total universe of their decision tree.
Another thing this approach does: it tests whether or not we really believe the polls that say the public option is popular throughout the country.
If so, then Democratic politicians should embrace the chance to keep this issue alive.
I would be for this compromise if they actually made me or any other Americans eligible to buy public Insurance. The reform proposals now make it impossible for me to dump my shitty company’s insurance to buy in. Also, could this be the way to single payer systems in the states?
Two amendments to consider. The Wyden Amendment (shut down by Baucus without a vote) would free you to dump your company’s insurance.
The Kucinich amendment, passed in markup in the House, would allow states to set up single-payer programs without running afoul of ERISA.
In and of itself, this proposal does neither of these.
And the Wyden amendment is so opposed by large (especially self-insuring) employers that it will not pass.
It is possible that the Kucinich amendment will pass, if only to permit a few states that want to try single payer to do that. I believe the CBO score on it was a wash, so budget issues are not at play.
States will see an increase in taxable income regardless of whether or not they have a public option. All that matters is whether insurance comes from the employer or not – an exchange without a public option frees up more taxable income to the same degree as an exchange without the public option. No?
No.
Not to the same degree.
The public option is both cheaper in itself, and makes other options cheaper through competition. If it is tied to Medicare reimbursement rates, it saves $85 billion in federal subsidies over the next decade. That downward pressure on cost allows millions more people to enroll, including people who currently have employer-provided health care. Of course, the employer has to drop that coverage and pay a fine in order for you to be eligible, but many will do so. That’s where the increased revenue comes from in state income taxes.
Forgive me for being dense, but this concept doesn’t make a lick of sense to me. Would an entire state’s population be held hostage by some pol’s whim? Would a blue state participant not have their coverage apply in a red state? Why would states opt out and further fractionalize the opportunity to receive health care?
This also flies in the face of the idea of universal coverage. Or so it seems to me.
In theory, a very conservative state and governor could decide to not allow a public option on their state exchange. This would prevent them from joining in regional exchanges, it would deny their citizens billions in federal subsidies, it would limit how many people would get insurance, it would hurt their tax revenues, but they could do it.
Your health insurance would be affected in any way, even if you got sick in their state.
Well, I guess I have been wondering “what” the actual public option will cover (in terms of actual services). Will it include dental services that are additional plans we have to pay currently? Many current plans do not include vision as part of the basic services.
It is my view that it is hard to opt-out of something until you have a full view of what you are opting out from. The emotion on both sides of the health reform issue seems to be missing a vital element – what are the core set of services that need to covered to ensure an individual is obtaining quality health care?
I am concerned that a public option is established but the core services provided are so minimal, we end up creating an option that is affordable but not comprehensive. Is that what we want to end up with?
It is my opinion that once the public option is defined in plain terms (what is covered and out of pocket costs), it would enable everyone to truly understand the viability of the public option. I have not yet seen this in the information being published by Congress to date. If Medicare/Medicaid is the standard, I just wish someone would state it plainly.
So, the outcry against this compromise is very premature, in my view. No one has clearly defined what we are getting, in real terms, and the shouting is getting us nowhere in a quick manner. Give me that real facts so I can clearly understand what I will get with a public option. Then, I can make an informed decision whether it meets or does not our country’s health care needs
From the unamended Chairman’s mark:
This is the Finance mark only, and it is as defined before the amendment process and mark-up of the bill.
Thanks for the information. It look like it would cover the essential services I would be looking for as a husband and father. I believe that if a state opted out on this, they would truly be hearing from their residents. Living in Florida, I am aware of the budget cuts and their impact on services. The real question is the details on the opt-out process. Booman, you are right, the devil is in the details.
The emotions involved in this issue are so personal and strong, I just hope we do not cut off our noses in spite of our faces. Uncontrolled passion can cause more damage than good. Thanks again for the information.
A couple of points.
Think about a state (say, South Carolina) opting out.
They could still set up a state exchange, and the plans on that exchange would still have to meet these criteria to be eligible for federal subsidies.
But, I don’t think they could join a regional exchange with Virginia and North Carolina and Georgia, if those states did not opt out. Their risk pool would be smaller, making their private options more expensive. They’d also have no downward competition from a public option to drop private plan costs in that way. So, their citizens would have much more expensive coverage, fewer of them would be able to afford the coverage, fewer of them would receive subsidies, and so on. Also, because of this, more people would remain in their employer-based health care, preventing that compensation from being taxed, and lowering state revenues.
So, yes, people could opt-out, but they’d be punished by their voters severely for doing so.
Do I understand this correctly, Booman? The bill would provide standardized packages like the Medicare supplement plans and homeowner’s insurance (H01, H02, et cetera), so that, for example, Aetna’s Gold plan is identical to Blue Cross’s Gold plan and we don’t have to wade through two 300 page documents looking for the differences? This would be a major reform, with the following caveat:
Back in the 1970’s, I had BCBS that would cover 100% of costs that were “usual and customary”. My boss had a cheaper Aetna plan that paid 80% of usual and customary. Our wives both had pregnancy tests that cost $50. He got $40 (80% of usual and customary charges). I got $40 (100% of BCBS’s usual and customary charges, the $50 being considered “excessive”). So, insurance companies have a lot of ways to shave the barber. I prefer a single payer pplan and let the providers and government fight it out without me in the middle.
Here is HR 3200. It defines the minimum benefits of any plan, private or public:
This defines the plan levels in the exchange:
And this describes what the public plan will be authorized to provide:
So the legislation does not precisely define the benefits of the public plans offered but allows the DHHS Secretary fairly broad discretion in defining the plans to offer.
But this is only one of the three bills in play.
correct me if I am wrong, but it looks like both HR3200 and the Finance bill only provide dental and vision to people under 21 years of age.
If my understanding of the language is correct, I believe that you are right. This might make a difference for some people who are looking for comprehensive care from birth to grave. I would like to see it as well but the reality is we have Congress receiving reelection funds from health care corporations (a unique form of slavery in my view) so getting comprehensive care from birth to grave may be a mile to far to reach at this time (or until a major pandemic hits and they see the error of their ways).
The public plan must offer a premium plan and may offer a premium-plus plan in HR 3200. That means that it will offer at least two plans and may offer a plan that adds dental and vision.
The basic plan covers dental and vision for persons under 21.
Most likely the DHHS will decide to offer three plan levels.
I didn’t see X-rays and other tests in that list
I live in VA.
Need I say more?
The Bible thumpers and rednecks luv their guns, hate teh gay and really hate the guvmint.
if we get stuck with Bob McDonnell in November, we the people can forget about any hc reform UNLESS we get to vote on it, which is as it should be.
It’s simple:
blue states get reform with a po
red states do not if it is left up to the governors or legislatures.
I think this sucks.
I highly doubt that any governor would crucify them on their own ideology. It didn’t happen with highway transportation money, it didn’t happen with the stimulus. Of course, you have to make sure that the cost of opting-out is extremely obvious and onerous. That’s why we have to see the details.
this is not a compromise it’s a cop out.
the cop out option, regardless the suppositions of it’s efficacy, the likelihood of it being utilized, the unfunded liabilities foisted off onto the states that will be mysteriously offset by new tax revenues…extremely unlikely to be adequate in real dollars…etc, etc.
it flies in the face of the primary goal of providing adequate to the largest number of people that’s affordable, and available.
the pièce de résistance of a robust public option is that it’s a national program. with the fiscal clout of the federal government behind it. making it dependent on the political whims of the individual states is essentially telling people that where they live is going to determine the quality, availability, and affordability of their individual healthcare plan[s].
frankly, l don’t need to see the details to know that, conceptually, it’s seriously flawed, and just wrong.
I agree that this compromise creates messaging problems. I agree that it should be a goal as a matter or principle to give everyone health care regardless of what state they live in. But I don’t think it is actually much of a problem in terms of the consequences it would have (depending on details, of course).
this really goes beyond messaging problems, it’s inherently flawed. l’m not as sanguine re: the potential consequences and opportunities for mischief of a cop out option such as this.
at some point in time we have to decide whether or not we have a functional national government that’s going to look out for everyones healthcare or not…or when it comes to healthcare we’re a nation of petty fiefdoms. if l were to extend that philosophy l’d have to ask where’s the opt out for the defense budget, or medicare, eh?
this is nothing but a sop to the reichwing nay-sayers, and tantamount to the 30% lunatic fringe tail wagging the dog.
it’s a bad idea, and it would be bad law if enacted.
Well, if it means anything, Howard Dean agrees with me.
thanks.
there’re a lot of caveats in his statement, but overall l don’t think dr.dean and l are very far apart on what we want to see achieved. that said, l still believe it’s a very ill advised strategy.
whether it could be modified or deleted in conference is an interesting question. as is its chances of survival during the reconciliation process…which is were l still believe this is headed.
the game is afoot, eh.
I think Dean’s support is very significant. No one has more credibility with progressives on health care than he does.
If he finds this approach acceptable, that’s like a great big permission slip for the liberals to vote that way, without feeling like they’re selling out.
Meanwhile, Baucus also reportedly is warming to the idea.
I think there may actually be genuine momentum in this direction.
The libertarian in me finds this kind of an interesting idea, if it lets states experiment with different approaches and ideas. But I can’t tell if it does. Maybe it’s time for states to walk the walk if they elect state officials the spew government-hate bullshit. If a state does opt out, I can’t believe their governors and legislators will be rehired, and maybe a lesson will have been learned.
Perhaps this is a petty and vindictive reaction, but I’d be most interested to see what happens if some of the loudmouth epicenters get the chance to just say no to the feds “taking over our healthcare”, instead of just bitching about it while enjoying more fed money than anybody else in the country, as is generally the pattern now.