I’m not sure what to make of this analysis from my Washington Monthly colleague David Atkins. He’s taken on a task that is probably too ambitious, which is trying to predict how the Democratic primaries will go and what kinds of factors will drive them. I’d probably be dissatisfied with any blog-length effort to do this at such an early point in the process, including any I might offer myself.
Having said that, I do have specific critiques of the arguments Atkins has put forth. To begin with, he insists Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders should be considered odds-on favorites because the Democratic socialist wing of the party is “ascendant,” but it’s not really clear what he means by that term. The socialists are certainly on the rise, but that does not mean that they are dominant. Some of their ideas are moving from the fringe of the party toward the mainstream, but that can cut both ways. The ideas are getting more support in part by being coopted or accepted, which means less of an advantage for those who pushed them first. Anyone voting on the basis of Medicare-for-All, for example, will have perhaps more than a dozen options to choose from this time around.
Then there’s the way Atkins categorizes the candidates. He’s putting Sanders, Warren and Gabbard in one box and everyone else in another. He categorizes Booker, Harris and Castro as “establishment” candidates, which must be news to them. For some reason, Sherrod Brown doesn’t even warrant a mention. He doesn’t really explain his reasoning for putting Warren in a camp with Sanders and excluding everyone else but Gabbard.
While he correctly notes that early polling is largely about name recognition, he doesn’t address the latest poll in the field out of Iowa which shows former vice-president Joe Biden still in a commanding position with 29 percent of the vote. That poll, like the more general polling average, shows Warren and Sanders collectively pulling about a quarter of the Democratic electorate. Both of them individually trail Kamala Harris in Iowa who is clearly riding a post-rollout surge.
In an effort to rebut charges that the socialist wing lacks support from African-Americans, he makes distinctions about age, noting that Sanders did better with younger blacks in 2016. He also insists without providing supporting evidence that people of color are not any more ideologically moderate than liberal whites. That’s probably wishful thinking in the one area that really matters for this analysis, which is understanding the basis on which people cast their votes. I doubt very much that a significant fraction of blacks will cast Booker and particularly Harris into a category of retread apologists for the status quo and establishmentarian policies. I also doubt that the residual love for Barack Obama in the black community will fail to lift Joe Biden’s support with them above what it might be simply based on some ideological test. Black voters are more pragmatic than ideological and they don’t vote strictly based on identity. That is why so many of them waited until they saw Obama win in the nearly all-White state of Iowa before getting on his bandwagon back in 2008. If Booker or Harris have early success, then it’s possible that black support for them will surge, but again without much regard for ideology.
There will be another group of Democrats strongly interested in having a woman as the nominee, and they will likewise rally to a woman who takes an early lead without a whole lot of consideration for ideology. Protestations aside, identity politics on the left is at least as ascendant as socialism, which is one reason Warren could win the nomination even though she’s been typecast (yes, even by Atkins) as some kind of radical choice. The problem here is that Atkins is arguing that she could win because of her ideology rather than in spite of it.
In an effort to argue from authority, Atkins sets out his credentials at the outset.
I was one of the few writers to consistently predict from early on that Donald Trump (or perhaps Ted Cruz) would win the GOP nomination over his more establishment foes (and that he had a very good chance of winning the general election as well.) It wasn’t just a hunch: it was based on a close reading of the GOP base as well as the basic polling.
I also predicted early on that Trump stood a very good chance of winning the nomination, although I never took his general election chances seriously enough. Where I’ve had predictive success in the primaries, going all the way back to 2004, is by looking very closely at the process of how delegates are actually awarded. I am unwilling to make predictions for 2020 until I have completed a thorough analysis of how that process will work this time around, as well as at the calendar.
More than that, though, I think the candidates need to be heard from before we begin categorizing them. I see enormous distinctions between Warren and Sanders that Atkins doesn’t acknowledge. I think Cory Booker is surprisingly strong on market consolidation, particularly in the agricultural economy. Kamala Harris supports essentially doing away with the private health insurance industry which really ought not place her in the camp that doesn’t threaten Wall Street. Sherrod Brown is bringing his “dignity of work” message which aspires to bridge the artificial gap between progressives and the labor movement. I don’t think the candidates have even begun to ideologically sort themselves, and many of them haven’t even finished developing their message or strategies. There will no doubt be a few people who run to the middle arguing that everyone else is dangerously radical, but they won’t get any traction.
Above all, with so many candidates and without winner-take-all contests, it’s going to be difficult for anyone to take a majority of the delegates to the convention. For now, I’d rather be Joe Biden than any of the other candidates. He’s in the lead and he can count on Obama’s neutrality if not his outright support. He has the most appeal to the widest ideological range and would be the logical consensus choice in any brokered convention. He has connections and media approval that no one else can match. And, more than anything, there are so many options that it will be hard for anyone to consistently beat him from contest to contest.
He may not be a logical fit for the times or even the mood of the Democratic electorate, but he’s in the strongest position. The biggest threat to him is an early winnowing of the field, but that seems unlikely to happen this time around. For one thing, on the delegate math alone, no one will be able to get much of an early lead. For another, Trump showed how you can run a primary campaign on a shoestring budget, and there are always billionaires who can keep people alive with Super PAC money and the power of small donations for any candidate who can get a passionate following.
While I am not making any strong predictions here, I also think Atkins underestimates how badly 2016 damaged Bernie Sanders’s standing with the Democratic electorate. He’s treating the quarter of the electorate that currently supports either Sanders or Warren as a moveable block, as if Sanders could command it were Warren to drop out. It’s more likely that the 15 percent Sanders is currently pulling in Iowa is close to his ceiling. He’d have to secure the nomination before hoping to win the support of a single Clinton voter from 2016, and his base of support is already splintered among other alternatives. I don’t see how he could win more than a small fraction of it back.
Having said all of this, I do think it’s likely that the eventual nominee will emerge with an ideological profile far to the left of what has historically been the norm. But I don’t think that it follows from that they will have necessarily started from that point on the spectrum. The Democrats are going to push the candidates to the left but they’re also going to be on the lookout for weaknesses that they’ll worry can be too easily exploited. The desperation to beat the Republicans in 2020 will be great enough that pragmatism will still play a gigantic role in how people vote.
It’s definitely too early to predict the winner, but it’s not too early to start prioritizing candidates.
Personally my rankings are
Hell No:
Trump,
Howard Schultz
Tulsi Gabbard.
Not going to be my primary pick, but I’d vote for them in the general:
Bloomberg
Sanders
You’re going to have to work really hard to get my vote:
Biden (who really needs to start trusting a new generation of Democrats)
Beto O’Rourke (He’s got great odds for flipping a Texas Senate seat, but his odds against Trump are no better than anyone else’s).
Don’t know enough to say yet:
Booker (All I know about him is that he’s been planning for president. Don’t know what he hopes to do when he gets the job.)
Gillibrand.
Impressed so far:
Harris
Brown
Current favorite
Warren. Unlike the rest of the contenders, I feel like I know exactly why Warren wants the job, that she would fight for her agenda if she got it, and that she has a solid plan to accomplish it.
I’d add Bloomberg to “Hell no” and Sanders to “You’re going to have to work really hard”. Move Gillibrand to “Impressed”. Of course any Dem nominee has my vote in the general against Trump, no matter how objectionable.
Same current favorite.
Right.
In the case of Bloomberg or Sanders, it implies they’ve made it to the general against Trump.
Schultz is “Hell No” because he’s hoping to split the race 3 ways and I’m not interested in giving him any Democratic votes. Gabbard is “Hell No” because I suspect she’s the Jill Stein of this round and likely compromised by the same people who own Trump.
Bernie has the best foreign policy values — his statement on Venezuela was pitch perfect — and I hope he makes US policy towards Israel a point of conflict since it’s one where he seems to be staking a difference with the party power center. The Democratic Party has been avoiding that fight for a while, but among younger activist types the status quo isn’t going to be able to stand.
I also want him pushed on War on Terror, and he might be able to influence that debate, too.
A lot of Obama/Clinton FP people have noticed, including Jake Sullivan and Van Jackson. You can take that as a good or bad thing depending on one’s view on these issues I guess, but it’s certainly a signal.
I am not in a position to challenge any of that but I will say that Trump’s sanctions will only hurt the people he purports to want to help. For the moment I would follow the lead of the surrounding countries who are experiencing the influx of the three million plus who fled the corruption and mismanagement and theft. As for Maduro at the moment I vote for him to leave along with the Cuban military and advisers. He might be the one person who could convince me to intervene. But then I am not really up on it. Bernie’s statement mentions some old interventions that don’t seem applicable anymore. What do the neighbors want?
Well I don’t know how i feel about the sanctions on the actual economy, and I think generally it’s a bad idea; I’m fine with sanctioning indiciduals, though. Work with Mexico, Uruguay on talks, push for new elections monitored by the UN, and let Colombia, Ecuador and other regional partners to take the lead. Was recognizing Guido correct? Idk, but it’s not like we are doing it alone. John Bolton, Trump, and Abrams can potentially poison everything, however.
Guido is a reason I would ld let the locall countries make the call. Trump Bolton and co I can’t trust. And as I said those sanctions are horrific on the people.
As I understand they sanctioned the oil company. It is the oil company that earns the foreign exchange needed for medicine and vital goods and services.
Nice listing. I don’t have a favorite today but I do like Warren, Harris and Brown. Trump is the super never but Schultz is right behind him. And I don’t trust Bloomberg.
Warren is my current favorite as well. But Bloomberg? Seriously? Definitely Hell No, for the same reasons as Howard Schultz except worse.
“If we could get every billionaire around the world to move here, it would be a godsend,” said Bloomberg in 2013. He (and his successor de Blasio) have done everything possible to achieve that goal — and believe me, it’s been the opposite of a godsend.
“Bloomberg? Seriously?”
If it’s Bloomberg vs Trump. I’ll vote for Bloomberg without hesitation.
I suppose but that would really upset me.,
How can any serious analyst put Gabbard in the “socialist” bin? She is in the most conservative quartile for House Representatives in spite of representing a very liberal district. She is more conservative than any serious candidate or possible candidate being discussed, including O’Rourke.
How can anybody take Atkins’ analysis seriously when he has such an outrageous error of fact?
I don’t think his point is that they’re in the same bin, but that she’s definitely not in the bin with the others. She’s got weird, pro-war, pro-war on Terror, yet also Buchananite foreign policy. I don’t know the common strain in it except anti-Muslim. It’s such a weird amalgomation that she could get votes from people with that “anti-politics” and Dunning Kruger foreign policy.
yeah, it’s an anti-establishment wing, which Gabbard qualifies for based on foreign policy.
I’m “Never Tulsi”, as Jinchi noted. I’m sure enough are. I’m worried she switches to Greens, though. Would they take her? Seeing the Zeitgeist of what used to be “anti war” groups clamoring around war mongers has been one of the most depressing things.
It might make more sense to view the bins not as determined so much by ideology but rather by where their presumed voter base can be found. Obviously any successful candidate will have to win over voters from beyond their core constituency, but the early dynamics are going to revolve around who flocks to whom first.
To me, Warren and Sanders are the two choices I waver between because their positions are mostly in line with my own–as has been pointed out already, Sanders is making the best points on foreign policy, whereas the only statement from Warren I’ve heard about are her remarks on Israel from a couple weeks back (and I’ve been avoiding them because all the reaction I’ve seen has been awful)–and also because over time they’ve demonstrated the most consistency in their positions, which makes them also more easy to trust. The economic fairness at the core of their policies and their determination to bring it about probably appeal to me the most, but I can’t overstate the importance of the trust factor here either.
People I don’t trust as much are Booker, Gillibrand and Harris. Gillibrand in particular is making some of the best statements, but I worry about her going centrist at the first opportunity: her applause lines about how badly Trump has divided America gives me the impression that she expects the rest of the GOP to fall in line and start caring about the nation again as soon as he’s gone.
Just reading the early trends from here, it seems to me that Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker are going to appeal to largely the same base, and all three of them will probably be the ones who eat into Biden’s core support (Biden as Veep and Obama’s buddy is a special category). I would expect all of them to spend most of their time talking about the other candidates in this bin.
Gabbard has some loyalty among a certain number of Sanders supporters but I think it’s vastly overstated, by her and also all the Bernie-haters. But I think that’s the natural explanation why she gets lumped in with Warren and Sanders–the most support she’s likely to get is shared with Sanders.
Unless Brown really takes off in a big way, I see him ultimately going about as far as Bob Graham did in ‘004. People may like what he says, and the media is certainly friendly to his message, but I don’t think anybody’s terribly excited at a Brown presidency, and I don’t see that changing down the road.
Beto? If he jumps in, he pulls from everyone, but who and how much is going to be a matter of how excited people already are over their chosen candidates at the point he joins the race. For that reason, he’d better decide pdq: most of us are waiting to see what develops before going all-in on a candidate, but every day support is already starting to solidify. My personal prediction is that Harris is going to hang onto a lot of these voters from this early surge because her message, delivery, and overall charisma are enough to keep up her momentum through the early period of candidate announcements. There won’t be a real vetting of records until the introductions are over, and she seems good enough at the retail side of politics to build her base in the meantime. Beto could probably chip away at some of that if he jumped in soon.
Anyway, it’s fun to speculate on though ultimately pointless. I don’t belong to the category of voters concerned about beating Trump; I like my candidates because of who they are and how their views align with mine, and whoever wins the Dem primary is going to have to earn it and thus should have the campaigning skills necessary to defeat the most unpopular president in living memory.
So with that calculus, my picks would be:
was, alas, the impression left on me by the bits I heard and characterizations of Booker’s announcement/self-introduction (which were limited, so impression could be unfair?), prompting a vigorous “meh!” in response.
I’d say the biggest threat to Biden’s candidacy is Biden. He’s a walking gaffe machine. I loved him as VP but he’ll take himself down at some point in this race, no doubt.
. . . Gabbard into the same pigeonhole with Warren and Sanders struck me as surpassing weird and in need of extensive explanation. Certainly seems counter-intuitive.
Yeah. Teachout and Nixon might have something to say about the ascendancy of the left, within the Democratic Party, in one of the most liberal states.
Warren is my absolute favorite, though I’ll phone bank for anyone at this point. Even Biden, though please please no. Also am dreading a Sanders run; the past few years have been bad enough for the Jews, with the fucking Shanda League in the White House.
My first, and overriding priority is that the candidate have the charisma to win, i.e., like Obama but not like Kerry, Hillary, Gore, Dukakis, Romney, Dole, et al.
I’m not sure if Warren has that, but if she does, she’s my first choice by far. Then maybe Sherrod Brown. Not sure if he’s got it either though. It’s takes time to know.
I despise Schultz, Bloomberg, Gabbard. I really, viscerally hate Schultz – not sure why I’m having such an emotional reaction to him but it’s really intense. I like Castro even though he can’t speak Spanish but I don’t think he has even an ounce of charisma and I wish he’d drop out. Corey Booker has plenty of charisma but I strongly dislike him and don’t trust him even a bit. Obviously I’d vote for him against any Republican, but …
Harris and Beto seem like they’ve got the stuff and are reasonably progressive. I used to love Bernie like I love Warren and followed him since the Thom Hartmann “Lunch with Bernie” days, but his Russian oligarch shit is giving me hives. Voting against Deripaska sanctions was a 100% dealbreaker (although I don’t even understand what his reasoning is) plus he’s awfully old and he (inexplicably to me) causes all the dems on my twitter feed to act like idiots – whether they’re pro or con on Bernie, he seems to bring out the stupidity in dems. I wish he’d drop out and be Warren’s champion. Biden is really old and not sure how progressive he is given all that Delaware financial stuff.
I probably left out about 20 candidates, but basically, I’m easy – sweep me off my feet with electability and then get elected in a no drama landslide. I’ll find things to complain about later – for now, just get rid of the GOP executive branch and hopefully take the senate in the bargain.
He voted against some Russian sanctions because they were tied to sanctions against Iran — John Kerry argued to vote against them. Bernie has consistently spoken out against Russian interference, and its oligarchs’ control over the Russian economy.
My ranking of all declared candidates is Warren, Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, Castro, Buttigieg, Delaney, Gabbard.
That being said, Tulsi Gabbard’s campaign sounds like it’s in trouble already. Don’t be surprised if she suspends her campaign before Iowa to focus on her primary against Kahele.
I still don’t know what “the establishment” is.
I also think that there still could be at least four more entrants, although I’m not sure which four. Also, a bunch of states (including Georgia) haven’t set their primary dates yet.
I also think Atkins underestimates how badly 2016 damaged Bernie Sanders’s standing with the Democratic electorate.
Check out the article Bernie Sander’s Unfinished Business. Many of the people advising Sanders are the same delusional nutjobs from 2016, which doesn’t speak well for Sanders’ judgment. One of these advisors describes Booker, Gillibrand, and Harris as “centrists”, but Progressive Punch has all three candidates as slightly to the left of Bernie! Jeff Weaver thinks that “Sanders would compete in West Virginia”, a state Trump won by 42 points. He’s not wrong- Sanders would compete, but he wouldn’t win.
Bernie also has issues talking about race: “Many of my opponents do not hold that view, and they think that all that we need is people who are candidates who are black or white, who are black or Latino or woman or gay, regardless of what they stand for, that the end result is diversity.” I want to know who these people are, because that doesn’t sound like any Democratic politicians I’ve heard. Does he mean that some of his fellow Senators were elected purely because of demographic characteristics?
“I think he thinks the more you staff up, the more you lose your authenticity,” says the strategist. I don’t know what authenticity means either.
We need a law that says, electioneering can only begin exactly 6 months before the election.
Hell, no: Gabbard, Sanders
Sadly, no: Warren (she’ll never recover from the DNA test), Kristen, Gillibrand (never will forgive her), Julian Castro (not impressed)
Very interested, but with different reasons for all: Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Beta O’Rourke, Joe Biden
Warren was right on the DNA test and Gillibrand was right to be the first of many people pushing Franken out the door.
The Democratic Party banished a guy who was photographed pretending to put his hands on a woman’s breasts.
Meanwhile, the American electorate chose a guy who was recorded bragging about grabbing women’s genitals.
I don’t get it.
Diversity in coalitions means being responsive to others’ concerns.
We’re better.
. . . (i.e., that the Dem Party is better than “the American electorate [who] chose a guy who was recorded bragging about grabbing women’s genitals.”)
Except that’s not really right either. “The American electorate” — i.e., a plurality of those voting, the majority of those voting for one of the two major-party nominees — in fact chose Hillary (by 2+ percentage points!), not the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief. We should never forget that.
. . . falling for some WtUCM* bullshit and Banana Republican propaganda:
Meanwhile, here in Reality:
Trump: Take this DNA test of your claimed Native American ancestry, “Pocahantas”, and if you pass, I’ll donate [however much it was] to [whatever it was].
[Warren takes test, it documents what she said, she announces result, challenges Trump to pay up.]
Trump (lying!): Never mind, never said I’d do that.
And in what universe does this disqualify . . . wait for it . . . Warren???
*Worse-than-Useless Corporate Media
Biden shouldn’t run. He’ll just embarrass himself if he does. He always has when he ran for president. Sanders will also embarrass
himself. He had his best shot last time around and really didn’t come all that close. He’ll do much less well this time. Bloomberg is smart enough to realize he can’t win the nomination. He WON’T embarrass himself by running and losing. Beyond that, all bets are off.
Some of us remember the Clarence Thomas hearings and Biden’s role in Anita Hill’s questioning. I cannot imagine that in the #METOO age those who are too young to have watched that farce will not be told about it over and over should he run for President.
I think Harris’ past in SF will catch up with her. If she is to be judged by the content of her character then she’s toast…
What specifically in her SF position is disqualifying for you (or did you mean for the Democratic Party or for the general electorate)?
I suspect Racer X is referring to her relationship with Willie Brown. I don’t find that interesting at all.
my take on Harris is: i’m in CA and have voted for her 3 times simply because she’s not Republican. I’m not aware of anything significant she’s accomplished or where she stands on issues i care about. Booman is surprised to see her called “establishment” but she’s totally a product of the San Francisco money/development/politics mainstream.
I found myself in a very spirited group discussion about her time in SF last week. I was surprised by how many people had examples of her mis-using her position to further her career at the expense of those she had sworn to protect. A couple of the stories were related by people with direct knowledge of the parties involved and details that were never made public. They matched my own experience.
It’s one thing to be ambitious; it’s another thing to deliberately fuck over people to further that ambition.
Perhaps it’s just me…
More evidence that I am right that the Dems are in no mood for ideological purity.
I have some worry about whether the country is ready to elect a woman for POTUS!
Many major democracies have had women lead the government – UK, Germany, Israel, India, Sri Lanka. But each has had some unique aspects about electing them.
I remember hearing about a study some time back that once a under-represented candidate breaks the “glass ceiling”, it takes almost 50 years for the second candidate from that community to make it. Unfortunately I cannot find the link.
So whether it is the Obama presidency’s effect, or something else, are we ready for a woman candidate to lead? I was convinced that with all of DJT’s behavior towards women, most women would not vote for him. But it was surprising that 47% of white women voted for DJT, compared to 45% for HRC. See http://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/
47% is an awfully large number!
Now the landscape is substantially different now, and will be in 2020 elections, than it was in 2016. Especially with a lot more vocal women House members making waves, there might be tectonic shifts before the next presidential election. And that could make it much more likely that the electorate is willing to vote for a female candidate.
Also one aspect is the change of the primary schedules. California going much earlier will change the delegate dynamics from earlier. Other states might also make a difference, compared to the prior states that sat in the pole position. So it is too early.
It sucks that we are now in a perpetual cycle of electoral dynamics and debate. I wish we had a limited 6 months before the actual elections when this becomes a national obsession!
It’s not too early to game the Rep nomination. We need to be thinking about who would replace Trump as the nominee should lightning strike before November 2020 and the complete game be changed.
Concentrating on a candidate that could out class the most likely replacement, as well as Trump, should be a factor.
It’s definitely conceivable that Trump may be physically or mentally unable to continue as President never mind be a credible GOP candidate.
I expect him to be primaried, frankly. Gov. Larry Hogan (MD) has broadly hinted that he would be open to running. Pence would probably run but only if Trump decided not to run for re-election. He would be a terrible candidate, of course since no one likes him and there are totem poles that are more animating.
CA has moved its primary election from June (making it usually irrelevant at that point) to March 3rd. I wonder if this will make a difference to a relatively early frontrunner. Will Harris an advantage as a favorite daughter?
My perception of Sanders is that he doesn’t do well with African-American and Hispanic voters both of which are important Democratic constituencies. Then there is his age. I don’t think he has much of a chance at all, frankly.