It stands to reason that anyone who wants to topple the Assad regime in Syria would have an incentive to implicate the regime in the use of chemical weapons. Establishing a casus belli for American, Israeli, or European intervention may require such a stunt.
The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.
“Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.
“This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.
Where did the rebels get their sarin gas? That is anybody’s guess.
But once sarin gas was used it wasn’t long before the usual suspects began clamoring for war. When Obama stated that the use of chemical weapons would cross a red line, he was trying to deter the Assad regime from using them, but he invited a false flag operation that would make him look weak or hypocritical if he didn’t act on it. As recently as yesterday, David Sanger was nailing the administration for fecklessness in the pages of the New York Times.
In fact that debate has begun to shift in favor of more action, administration officials say. Mr. Obama’s legalistic parsing of whether his “red line” for intervention was crossed when evidence arose of a limited use of sarin gas has prompted many of his allies — led by Israeli officials — to question the credibility of his warnings.
One administration official acknowledged late last week that the critique had “begun to sting,” but said that Mr. Obama was determined to go slowly, awaiting a definitive intelligence report on who was responsible for the presence of sarin before deciding on a next step.
Maybe the president should get credit for smelling a rat. People have been pushing him to war with increasing fervor.
So far among the most reluctant members of the administration to intervene heavily in Syria has been Mr. Obama himself. He declined to arm the rebels last fall, despite urging from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the C.I.A. director at the time, David H. Petraeus.
On Sunday, Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, said he believed the administration was getting closer to a decision. “The idea of getting weapons in — if we know the right people to get them, my guess is we will give them to them,” Mr. Leahy said on “Meet the Press.” Last week, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said that arming the rebels was under consideration.
Now that it appears that the rebels committed war crimes and used sarin gas, do any of these war hawks conclude that international action should be taken against them? Do any of them consider how they were tricked? No and no.
These people serve the dark masters of war. They are not bound by humanitarian concerns or laws or the quest for the truth. They would have us fight a war to avoid the very appearance of weakness, irrespective of how weak we would look once we were bogged down in a regional proxy war between Sunnis and Shiites, Israelis and Hizbollah, and Saudis and Iranians. They would leap to commit our troops at the mere rumor of chemical weapons use by the Assad regime, but will simply ignore their use by the rebels.
Even relatively peace-minded people like Sen. Patrick Leahy think we can find “the right people” to deliver arms to. But the small sliver of pro-Americans on the rebel side will never be big enough to control the outcome or the aftermath of this war. And that’s being generous, because I don’t think there are any pro-American forces.
Meanwhile, Israel is blasting away at Syria. Shells suddenly land in the Golan Heights. The regional players know only how to inflame the situation, not how to cool it down.
Syria has been a repressive dictatorship for decades, but it was an ecumenical society where people of different ethnicities and religious beliefs got along quite harmoniously. It does not appear that that condition can be restored to Syria, and it is a great shame. But we should be under no illusions that any of the possible winners of this civil war will be positively disposed towards the United States or to Israel. In that regard, it won’t make a bit of difference if Saudi-backed Sunnis win or Iranian-backed Shiites and Alawites win. And the winners will instigate a program of ethnic-cleansing, wherein Arabs are separated from Kurds, Alawites are separated from Sunnis, and Christians run for cover. If the Assad regime falls to Saudi-backed Sunnis, the war will continue as Shiites in Iraq, Iran, and Lebanon back an ongoing rebellion against the new regime. Do we want to be a party to genocide? Where does our tiny phalanx of “the right people” fit into this nightmare?
We would all like to put Humpty Dumpty back together again and restore to Syria its previous harmonious conditions with a coalition government willing to have representation from all factions. But, just as it has turned out to be in Iraq, this is a pipe dream. The international community should certainly try, but military intervention by the United States isn’t going to perform a miracle.
The only person in a position of responsibility who seems to have his or her head screwed on right is the president, but he is under a lot of pressure to succumb to the forces of darkness.
I feel for the people of Syria, but I don’t want any American troops there.
Period.
Cross-posted from my new diary – Kerry In Moscow – A Breath of Fresh Air.
However, it’s easier to negotiate oil deals with local tribal authorities than to deal with a centralized government.
Syria produces less oil than Ecuador.
No blood for no oil!
Uh…hold a sec, lemme google Syria’s main export. No blood for whatever that is!
It’s not that Syria produces oil at all. It’s its location in the Mideast. It’s next to a lot of oil (see: Iraq).
“The only person in a position of responsibility who seems to have his or her head screwed on right is the president …”
Excuse me, the policy vs. Assad and Syria has been on Obama’s desk these past two years. The position until now was clear, follow the blueprint used against Gaddafi and Libya. Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice were not in a frame of mind to get a compromise with Russia in the UNSC for a political solution. I have been very clear from the outset, listening to Middle-East analysts who warned there is no military option in Syria. US policy followed by Obama cum suis was advocated by the Neocon crowd. Hillary Clinton did not want a compromise with Medvedev and chose the path of a collision at the SC. Russia and China didn’t budge because the Obama doctrine was regime change. Both were fooled on a number of occasions, most recent was the SC resolution on Libya. Obama didn’t want to get involved militarily in Syria without a SC resolution because of international law. If Obama’s intention was all along to do away with Assad as a firm policy, he obviously has wasted a year and a half and accepted the 60,000 additional deaths and immense destruction. Syria has become a quagmire, with the same division as existed in Lebanon. Messing with Syria the way Assad’s opposition has done will lead to a bloodbath along sectarian lines. You forget two leading nations, Turkey and Jordan, who have given all their support to any and all foreign fghters crossing the borders or setting up jihadist training camps.
A few years earlier Blair, Berlusconi, Bush and Sarlozy were positioning themselves to
kickkiss ass in the Libyan desert, where Gaddafi’s oil exploration contract signing took place. The old colonial countries of Western Europe, the GCC states, NATO support and Turkey are all deeply involved in regime change. Israel is doing what the US wanted to do much earlier.Shame on Obama, shame on the USA.
I have never understood your position on Syria.
We have no responsibility for the Assad regime’s behavior. He is the one who decided to start slaughtering his own people and invited this chaos. And it has been regional players who are allied with us who have moved on their own initiative to create proxy forces. All the surrounding countries except Iraq want Assad removed from power at this point, and they are all jockeying against each other as well as against Assad’s allies. We were supposed to do what? Negotiate with the Russians so that Assad could stay in power?
In the most simple terms, US ally and NATO partner Turkey, Jordan and Israel are US/European proxies and permit all interference, foreign jihadists included. The Neocon policy on Syria is a decade old, wants Assad punished for support of Hezbollah in Lebanon, antagonism of ally Israel and cut the links with Iran. The stupidity of foreign intervention is on same level as Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq. You are aware that Lebanon is divided along the same sectarian lines and are staying out of the Syrian Civil War and Maliki in Iraq has a new master Iran. Thank you Bush.
Hillary Clinton openly undermined the Geneva initiative on Syria where the UN’s envoy Kofi Annan was to attempt a political solution. Hillary’s only intent was for the FSA and any foreign mercenaries to gain enough time and military prowess to put pressure on the Assad regime and its military. The US media has build a 2-year propaganda campaign on how evil Russia and China are. It amazes me (not) how gullible you yanks are in believing in the goodness of the President and his policy in the Middle East. I am an analyst who cuts through bullshit and propaganda lines of politicians and use ordinary wisdom from past experience starting with the JFK assassination and the Vietnam War. I didn’t believe the bs from McNamara nor Gen. Westmoreland. I am not relenting to call bs on any US foreign policy, even if the President is Obama. His honeymoon days are over long ago. As a sportsman and statistician, I want to see results and a long term vision. Obama flunks on both counts.
Hillary Clinton’s attempt to pose with a united opposition against Assad has been an utter failure. There is no legitimacy in the cover of these militants and jihadists as being representatives of the original protest movement, none whatsoever. The Syrian people themselves will be the greatest victims of this fools journey to a civil war.
These are some pretty confused neo-cons then, since Israel initially supported Assad and the Obama administration was hoping to improve relations with him.
Syria Punished for America’s Failure in Iraq
Neither Turkey nor Jordan are interested in increasing the number of refugees they have to care for.
OK, now how about little reality?
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/syrian-president-assad-regarded-reformer-clinton-says
Ah, but then Obama got rid of Clinton, and appointed the longtime advocate of Syrian regime, change, John Kerry to replace her.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2011/04/28/kerrys_softer_stance_on_syria_scrut
inized/
Hmm, doesn’t sound very neocon to me. I know, let’s ask a neocon about John Kerry and Barack Obama’s stance towards Syria:
Are you sure about this? That Assad responded with more violence towards peaceful protesters than the regimes in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Bahrain did? Easy to forget (overlook?) that many protesters in those countries were killed and injured by their governments. But they remained protesters and not armed “rebels” like in Libya and Syria.
Agree with Booman in general, but I agree with you on this aspect in particular.
Which is weird because Booman and I differed strongly on how to deal with Syria since Obama came into office back in 2009. I advocated normalizing relations. Not possible now, I suppose.
Not a trivial or insignificant point. Particularly when the government of a country is disfavored by western powers. It’s often the first public evidence of western covert activities to promulgate the regime change agenda.
The protests in both Libya and Syria began with government forces engaged in slaughter. In Libya, that continued until the military itself broke. In Syria, the military has now also broken down along a bunch of different fracture lines.
In Tunisia and Egypt, the military stayed unified an in the end dumped the regimes. In Yemen, the military stayed unified, but breakaway tribes attacked Saleh’s compound and nearly killed him. Bahrain is under a regime of extreme detention.
I would not paint this totally as Assad. He is a mere figurehead for his father’s regime and likely a weak one. The regime elite decided to repeat the successful tactic of Bashar Assad’s regime in the suppression of Homs. They thought it would work again. It did not work as well and the result is civil war.
It was only 6 months into it that the first troops broke away to form the Free Syrian Army. It was almost a year before outside arms from Libya started flowing in. Now, two years on, we are about six to nine months into the active outside intervention of the Gulf Cooperation Council nations.
The neoconservatives want to paint Assad as anti-Israel, knowing that Israel support him as the devil we know. That part of the global justice movement that reflexively blames US foreign policy sees US meddling in Syria from the beginning. What I see is that Hillary Clinton allowed our allies to steer us in ways that were not helpful but fortunately did not put US boots on the ground. My sense is that Clinton sought to get political unity from opponents of the Assad regime in order to try to negotiate a settlement. The US military and intelligence communities might have worked at cross-purposes to this in some areas. Once Saudi Arabia inserted itself into the conflict (Bandar Bush?) Clinton political coalition could not work.
The Assad regime could have responded differently. It could have shown more honest flexibility instead of feigning flexibility. It let the situation get out of hand in the first nine months after the Arab Spring began.
And remember one man’s “acting tough” is another man’s “slaughtering”. And political opposition rarely is viewed by leaders as “one’s own people”.
part of the neocon “clean brake” strategy, as Justin Raimondo observes in his latest column:
To article by Justin Raimondo – The Israeli-Jihadist Alliance.
??? CIA assets were in eastern Libya before peaceful protests began in the east and west. Those protests began after Mubarek abdicated and were short-lived; quickly supplanted by armed protests in the east. Bloody on both sides, but the advantage was with government forces because they were better equipped and could shoot straighter. The equation didn’t change because the “military itself broke” but because NATO intervened with air support and whatever other assets it and other powers smuggled to the rebels.
Saudi military forces marched into Bahrain after the government crackdown proved insufficient to quell the peaceful protesters.
Will have to wait for the historians to go back and track exactly when armed rebels appeared on the scene in Syria, but highly doubt it was as late in the day as you seem to think it was. Far more plausible is that they were active very early on as they were very swift to call for international forces to come to their assistance as soon as they could manage to claim (with inflated and false claims) that Assad was slaughtering his own people.
The military in Libya (as well as the diplomatic corps) split first on regional lines at the point at which Gadhafi was threatening to exterminate the rebellion in Benghazi which was moving rapidly at that point. The regular military in both the east (Benghazi) and the west (Zintan) split from the elite military that supported Gadhafi and some regular military units in the south. The split was sufficient for the infantry to be more than evenly matched, which is why the militias prevailed. What the NATO air strikes did was destroy the equipment advantage that Gadhafi’s military had by gradually taking out artillery and armored depots and emplacement and grounding the air force.
Yes, Saudi troops help Bahrain enforce a regime of detainment.
The first calls for outside help from protesters came in the late summer of 2011. They were very clear that they did not want troops. And they did not want the US involved at all. Probably still don’t but no one is talking to them. US is dealing with exiles who have a totally different agenda.
In early BBC radio interviews, “rebels” requested (begged for) military assistance from the west and they were adamant that they would not negotiate with the Assad regime. The rebels never wavered from that message.
Gaddafi had no international friends or even much of a military force. However, that doesn’t excuse the CIA being active and supporting/supplying insurgents (Muslim terrorists and the old monarchists) in the east prior to any natural and peaceful indigenous uprising. Then there is the decades long history of the west supporting “anti-communist” dictators and Israel-that-can-do-no-wrong that made creatures like Gaddafi possible.
And this “decades long history” will only change slowly given the incentives we have established; but it can change.
When Obama talks about Syria lately I hear him making a rational case for not intervening. The Beltway establishment is just not listening. They presume because he is reticent that he has lost the plot; we just aren’t used to deliberate leadership.
Let’s face it, for all the deplorable violence in the region recently it is not exclusively directed at America or the West. Militants may still ceremoniously burn American flags but they’re now more likely to be directing violence at their own institutions or each other. This is not a good thing but it is perhaps a step toward a better thing.
And to see jihadists and their fellow travellers having great difficulty parsing ‘politically correct’ policy when explaining their dubious activities and counter-intuitive allegiances is increasingly delicious.
It’s as freaking complicated as Lebanon was in the early 1980s. (Made a considerable effort to understand the situation at the time and never managed to do so.) Or maybe more so. There are so many large and small alliances and so many shifting alliances that elevating a single power other than Assad to the role of demon not been possible. That has given Israel cover to act — for now.
As I wrote that was vaguely recalling Sy Hersh’s report from several years ago. Murtaza Hussain cites that article and expands upon it inIraq, Syria, and The Death of the Modern Middle East.
In 2007 when Hersh’s article appeared, those al Queda affiliated and Saudi funded clandestine operatives were being funneled into Lebanon. Have to wonder if they were moved around the region as needed when conflicts emerged or if they remained in Lebanon waiting for the deployment call.
Excellent read that and worth looking back at much of Hersh’s 2007 writing. The part that boggles my mind, looking at that well-known 2006 map, is what the perpetrators thought they were accomplishing in regard to enhancing Iran’s power and dominance in the region. It makes no sense from the perspective of any of the players one usually imagines; the US, Israel and/or the Sunni Gulf states.
And what of Pakistan? The actually serious problem.
After the neo-con screw-up in Iraq (in real time I noticed that Saudi Arabia wasn’t keen on George’s excellent adventure) that shifted the balance of power in the region to Iran, the other powers were desperate and scrambling to re-balance the situation back in favor of Sunni power. By 2007 the Sunni’s had lost the civil war in Iraq and Iran was too large to take head on; so all that was left was Syria with its majority Sunni population (increased a bit as Iraqi Sunnis refugees were allowed into Syria).
US policy wrt Pakistan was formulated during the Cold War and has never changed — they are our friend. Even if our relationship to their arch enemy has changed over the decades.
“After the neo-con screw-up in Iraq” everyone saw what a big screw up it was but looking at the infamous 1996 policy paper “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” and Peters’ AFJ article one realises that this was all unmistakably foreseeable.
The best minds of the neo-conservative school made a ‘show-stopper’ blunder as elementary as backing out of the garage without opening the garage door. This is hard to explain yet totally below the radar of any public ‘debate’ of the issues; they are still indefensibly disputing the premise of Iraq being an unequivocal foreign policy disaster.
We won’t get any second chances with Pakistan either; by the time we start paying attention it will be too late.
The part that boggles my mind, looking at that well-known 2006 map, is what the perpetrators thought they were accomplishing in regard to enhancing Iran’s power and dominance in the region.
They thought that an American puppet state, with the full military and economic backing of the US, including a big, permanent American military contingent, would do an even better job of checking Iranian influence in the region than Saddam.
These people really did think that we’d be able to land some troops, rout the local military, and install Ahmed Chalabi, like Iraq in the 21st century was pretty much like a small Central American or Caribbean country in the 19th.
The murder of PM Rafic Hariri by Sunni militants in Beirut (2005) was the start of a new chapter for Saudi influence in the Middle-East. Both the US and Israel were willing to oblige the King and frame first Syria (failed) and later Hezbollah. The decision for regime change in Syria was an initiative of the Bush administration, willingly continued by Hillary Clinton, our hawk on foreign relations.
The recent Israeli air strike:
I see. Israel?:
Meanwhile:
I mean, really… Absent the loss of lives it would be pretty amusing watching the cable news anchors trying to explain all this.
… or “progressive” bloggers, just ask Joe.
I’m sorry that all of the evidence I provided rebutting your beloved narrative had put you in an cranky mood, but I fail to see how anything I wrote is relevant here.
Kerry by Putin agrees to the Geneva accords of July 2012 with Arab League/UN envoy to Syria Kofi Annan.
Of course it has nothing to do with your narrative, as you yourself have said you don’t have one.
(odd how CNN or the BBC can’t seem to get access to him) and he said that there was shooting at the protests pretty much from the start, and it wasn’t started by the police.
He could have been lying of course, but as you say, we’ll “have to wait for the historians to go back and track exactly when armed rebels appeared on the scene in Syria”.
Yes, the Syrian and Libyan regimes responded with a great deal more violence than the Tunisian, Egyptian*, and Bahraini regimes. More than the Iranian government did in 2009 or in the early 00s.
*Kinda sorta. Mubarak ordered the military to crush the protests with live fire and tanks. They ended up ignoring him, so the pro-regime elements had to respond with a camel charge and random thugs with guns, while the soldiers threw smoke to allow the protesters to hide. They actually protected the people in the streets.
The position until now was clear, follow the blueprint used against Gaddafi and Libya.
Um, yeah, like that air campaign we’re flying over Syria. Oh, wait, do you mean like the two-year wait before we began the air campaign over Libya?
If Obama’s intention was all along to do away with Assad as a firm policy, he obviously has wasted a year and a half and accepted the 60,000 additional deaths and immense destruction.
OK, so you’ve made up a position, assigned it against all evidence to President Obama, and when you finally, after a couple of years, come around to acknowledging that he hasn’t actually been following that position, instead of considering the possibility that you were wrong, you instead conclude that he is implementing the position you made up and assigned to him, but he’s such a dummy that he’s doing it much too slowly.
Yeah, that’t gotta be it. What other possible explanation could there be?
Well, in 2002 Jonah Goldberg famously quoted Michael Ledeen as having said “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small, crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.”
This post sums up exactly why Hillary should not be president. You just can’t trust her to do the right thing on foreign policy.
yep. definitely glad hillary the “obliterate iran”, iraq war supporter isn’t president.
I’ll remind folks again..
Hilary has NEVER apologized for voting for the Iraq War
Moving along with the thesis that the Executive Branch is essentially run by our intelligence services, I would not doubt that both Clintons had long term service for them. Since Bill was under a Fulbright scholarship, traveling in Europe, since Hillary switched from being a Goldwater girl to working summers for the law office representing the Panthers, then working for the House Democratic Committee during Watergate. Lots of useful information to be gathered.
“the critique had begun to sting…”
Well, we are being directly told by Hagel and Leahy that we’ll be “arming” someone, god knows who, so it sounds like Obama is sticking his toe into another ME civil war. But aren’t the regional players already arming everyone? What are our additional arms going to accomplish? I guess if you manufacture arms, you gotta sell ’em! Capitalism 101….what better reason for jumpin’ into another war?
Syria seems like another fake country, with no apparent national identity, currently run by one of the hereditary family dictatorships that tend(ed) to populate the region. Here we have the mirror opposite of Iraq, with a small Shiite minority running things for the large Sunni majority. There is no sound basis in political theory for such regimes. They survive by force, coercion, threats. Their time has long since come, whatever “good” they do. They are solidly on the wrong side of history.
But like most of these civil wars, the regional powers should be the ones to take the wheel in resolving it, not the US. We aren’t going to be tarred by any past support of the Assads, and we likely don’t have many friends in the rebels. Part of the problem seems the absolute inability of the rebels to agree on a united front or work together, another terrible sign. WE sure as hell aren’t gonna be able to do anything about that, as Iraq makes clear.
Anyway, we’re sending arms to someone, so we’re in. Any ideas exactly what “arms” are being talked about?
But aren’t the regional players already arming everyone? What are our additional arms going to accomplish?
The best-case scenario is that we give a boost to the most decent elements in the rebellion, and sideline the Nursa Front and their ilk, the way the Soviets used to bring the Moscow-centered communists to the fore by selectively supporting factions in rebellions. We’re already trying to do this in a negative way: steering the arms shipments from the Gulf countries towards specific groups, and away from others.
I do not have a great deal of confidence in this plan.
Add Bob Menendez to the list of people on the war wagon.
Add that to the list of reasons I wasn’t coming to Menendez’s defense re: Fucker Carlson’s nonsense.
Here is where Wikipedia identified as locations of Syrian chemical weapons before hostilities began.
Sarin is a binary weapon that degrades within weeks after being mixed (per Wikipedia). There were rumors several weeks ago that there had been activity in mixing chemicals at one or more of these sites. Those reports resulted in an air attack on several sites. It is possible that anyone could have scrounged these sites for unexploded shells or precursor chemicals. And given the chaotic situation in Syria, that could have been any number of different rebel groups or others who sought to be players in the situation. Some of the victims might very well have exposed themselves in exploring. If the reports of exposure are true, that means that at least some of the chemical weapons or precursors are not secure.
There is a sufficient number of arms in the area anyway from the Gulf Cooperation Council states. The only reason that any nutcake member of Congress is suggesting sending American arms is to brand the effort as a US ally. Does the President really want to do that?
Despite the domestic pressure, this is a fight that Obama should keep us out of and should dial back any CIA misadventures in the area.
Bibi and the IDF are close to totally destabilizing Lebanon, and Jordan will not be far behind in being destabilized if Israel moves again into Lebanon. Our ally Saudi Arabia has made Syria a mess. Iran is entering a run-up to an election and Ahmedinejad is making a power play against the clerics.
Not a great neighborhood to put the bigfooting US military into. Time for diplomacy to back some of the players back.
No arms for Syrian rebels we have killed enough. In any case we will have no say in Syria. Some form of Islamist party will run that scene. Its inevitable.
Here in the west we need to get used to the idea of theocracy as the norm in the Middle East. Hopefully it will be a passing phase. Its no different than any other violent dictatorship. Not a great trade for the Syrian people.
We have no dog that can win this fight. I say humanitarian aid only. There is enough blood on our hands. We will achieve nothing. Only sending arms that eventually will be used by extremists to hold power.
It’s hard to get accurate pictures, but I suggest Aron Lund over at Joshua Landis’ place who imo provides the best coverage (despite not speaking Arabic!):
Syria Comment
Thanks:
Will be reading this site from now on.
Beyond useful support for Bush in torture and rendition, the acceptance of 1.2 million refugees from Iraq, Assad could have done more for US neocon foreign policy …
His usefulness ended. Also, Syrian intelligence, a la Monzer al-Kassar, used to move heroin through the Bekaa Valley for the CIA. See my post below.
Not sure if it’s been said, but the moment America is involved, Obama owns every negative consequence forever. And many of these bloodthirsty masters of war would also be only to happy to have Obama with a ruinous and hopeless quagmire on his hands.
I hope to hell the developing doubt over who used the gas doesn’t finally point to the rebels. Whatever happens, if Bush or his kind were president, we’d have endured a lot of ignorant macho strutting followed by war on Syria. It could still come to that, but Obama deserves huge credit for waiting for facts instead of exploiting rumors and lies to be a “heroic” master of war. That’s almost unprecedented.
Remember when Obama gave a few brief, subdued remarks from a podium in Brazil at the start of the Libya mission?
What kind of President doesn’t whip up war fever for his war? I like it.
The US is not in the position to be shocked, shocked, shocked. The US used phosphorous gas in Fallujah.
Also, wouldn’t it be stupid for the Assad regime to use chemical weapons after Obama said that was a “red line”? Whereas it makes sense for rebels to do that, with the expectation that the Syrian army will be blamed. And as Booman pointed out, the U.N. thinks that rebels did it.
Unsurprisingly, both the USG and the U.S. media are ignoring that.
USG now peddling that Assad is testing Obama’s resolve. If this country weren’t so narcissistic, we’d laugh at that product.
No, the US used white phosphorus rounds, which are not a gas weapon, but an incendiary weapon, and is not considered a chemical weapon in any treaty.
Regime change for Syria has been on the West’s agenda for awhile now. Considering that Syria helped out with the CIA’s “extraordinary rendition” and torture programs, you’d think that someone would have cut Assad some slack. Plus, his dad and their intelligence people helped when the CIA used to move heroin through the Bekaa Valley, when Monzer al-Kassar worked with them. I suspect they have more direct routes out of Afghanistan now.
I think that the CIA’s unhappiness with Syria has more to do with its continued alignment with Iran (which in large part is the result of America and the Saudis stoking up the Wahabbis against the Shia pushing all non-Sunnis together).
This was in cards before those three happy wanderers crossed into Iran on their hiking trip a few years ago. Before then a couple of them were stationed in Damascus.
I would also like to point out that for the last fifty years the President has had less and less say in running things, especially the CIA and foreign policy. Obama has no real input in the discussion, but he gets to play being the leader of the Free World. This isn’t an attack on Obama, but since 1963 every President has been under the thumb of the military-industrial complex and those who step out of line have been removed (Nixon, and Carter when Stansfield Turner tried to clean out the Old Boys from Langley). The problem with not seeing what’s right in front of you is that you don’t see what’s right in front of you.
Yes!!!
I would add Bill Clinton to the Nixon and Carter examples. Lewinsky was a classic third-party honeytrap. She didn’t have a clue, but she was run by intelligence assets. Bet on it. And let’s not forget the first two “removals,” JFK + RFK. It’s the same game now as it was in 1963. These people have just gotten more subtle at their job. Bet on that as well.
The real “problem with not seeing what’s right in front of you” is that the governmental media complex…Ron Paul’s phrase, and right on the money…constructs a number of alternate realities and then very effectively sells them to the particular types of sleeple that will buy one or another set of lies. Thus we have the far right alternate reality, the centrist alternate reality, the liberal alternate reality, the various racial alternate realities, the various youth alternate realities, the sports fan alternate realities, etc. etc. etc. etc etc.
Anything but the truth of the matter.
Obama?
He’s no dummy. He knows what’s up and does what he can to get something done inside of that system without getting offed in one way or another during the process. He is a gradualist. A compromiser.
Is it working, this gradualism?
Well…it’s putting off the inevitable, that’s for sure. If you call that “working,” then I suppose it is. However, the chickens always come home to roost eventually.
Always.
We are entering a security state/control state system that is unprecedented in human history. Technology has enabled this new system to exist, and it is so new that…unlike “democracy,”, “communism,” “monarchy,” etc….it doesn’t even have a name.
Technocracy?
Maybe.
Whatever it is called and however it does its work, one thing is for sure.
What goes around comes around. On the evidence of all of human history…you can bet on it.
Bet on it.
Later…
AG
I love it when you talk sense.
Now a stand-alone post.
The Push For Power. How It’s Done.
Later…
AG
Cross-posted from my new diary – Kerry In Moscow – A Breath of Fresh Air.
Cross-posted from my diary – Kerry In Moscow – A Breath of Fresh Air (Update Video).