When will you flee?

I’ve asked this question before and this seems like an interesting time to ask it again…

I’m curious today about breaking points. What is your personal limit? And what will your course of action be when that line has been crossed?
I’ve asked before…

Once in March

I already have    2 votes – 3%  
I’m working out the details    10 votes – 19%
Post federal judicial reform    3 votes – 5%  
Diebold + biometrics    0 votes – 0%  
The draft    7 votes – 13%  
When my neighbors burn a cross in my yard    4 votes – 7%  
Internment for thought-terrorism    7 votes – 13%  
Never, it’s MY country!    18 votes – 35%  

51 Total Votes

And once in May

I already have    4 votes – 2%  
I’m working out the details    24 votes – 13%  
Post federal judicial ‘reform’    4 votes – 2%  
Diebold + biometrics    2 votes – 1%  
The draft    12 votes – 6%  
Contraception outlawed    15 votes – 8%  
When my neighbors burn a cross in my yard    3 votes – 1%  
Internment for thought-terrorism    18 votes – 10%  
Republican president 2008    13 votes – 7%  
Never, it’s MY country!    72 votes – 41%  
See my comment posted below    7 votes – 4%  

174 Total Votes

Saturday Night Lounge

Hi everyone!

Katiebird, I hope you don’t mind me hopping in on your hosting day – I tried to hunt you down by checking your comments, but then became hopelessly confused trying to figure out the time zone difference, etc… and had a whatever kind of moment. If someone is already scheduled for tonight, please let me know and I’ll pull this down – but otherwise… can I treat this like a coming out (from under my rock) party? I’ve been lurking a little, and silently checking in on many of you… but as Catnip so eloquently said the other day – My brain has been on strike!
Until … – Diane found me earlier today and dragged me out of my heavily armored protective shell. (Thanks so much sweetie) – and now I’m tentatively ready to hop in. How has everyone been? Am I the only one to experience this ‘kinda-not-pretty’ headspace? Does anyone else contemplate the nature of good and evil as if it were a full time job? Has anyone else read John Crawford’s amazing book? (go buy it now!)

And finally – will anyone show up and humor me so I can play bartender again? I can’t think of any way I’d rather spend my night…. I miss you guys…

Coincidental London Security Exercise

I’ve just seen a segment on CBC Newsworld Sunday with Peter Power, a representative with a company called Visor Consultants. He has just acknowledged that his company was running a security exercise in London when the bombings happened. This exercise was apparently based on a scenario of 3 bombs going off in the same 3 stations at the same approximate time…

I don’t trust myself to comment on this…

Update [2005-7-11 6:17:19 by zander]: – I’ve got it! A short clip of the interview can be seen here. I’ve sent a longer, larger clip to crooks and liars, and it may be up with them later if they’re interested.

The only article I’ve found is at Al-jazeera

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running a drill exercise for an unnamed company which revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as was happening in real life on July 7th.

Also the somewhat sketchy CanadaFreePress

– however these quotes from him do echo what I heard Mr. Powers say quite bluntly on Canadian television just a moment ago.

Basing their information on a BBC Radio 5 interview, Watson and Jones say a consulting agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

“The host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a `crisis management advice company’, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

“Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

“Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.”

Power told BBC that the drill focused around “simultaneous bombings”. Originally the London bombings were thought to have been spread over an hour, but BBC reports today say that the bombings were in fact simultaneous.

Watson and Jones say, “The fact that the exercise mirrored the exact locations and times of the bombings is light years ahead beyond a coincidence”.

Update [2005-7-11 1:51:36 by zander]: On the 7th, Peter Power did an interview with BBC Radio 5..

“POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don’t want to reveal their name but they’re listening and they’ll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they’d met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.”

That interview can be downloaded here in .mp3 format.

Welcome New Members! Tell us about you…

Update [2005-7-10 1:20:7 by zander]: – This welcome wagon is closed. Please unrecommend if you can and go to Part 2.

Welcome newcomers!

Please introduce yourselves.

It seems like there has been a bit of an influx around here, so in keeping with Booman Tribune tradition….

Please take a minute to pull up a chair and tell us a little bit about yourselves…

Have a couple of drinks if that works for you…and scoop up some newbie mojo.

The 4’s will flow freely

Come on in!

Update [2005-7-9 18:34:25 by zander]: – On a whim, I just called the phone number listed at mamatang.ca and spoke with Tracy Tang, the photographer responsible for the Tinhat series to offer my thanks for the great pics. Kudos to Tracy for being cool about the use of her images here, and to her friends who unwittingly took part by letting her photograph them at a party…

Today. A comparison.

I’m sorry to post a diary that consists only of quotes, but this needs to be said…

July 7th in England

LONDON (Reuters)– Four blasts tore through packed underground trains and a bus during London’s rush hour on Thursday, killing 37 people and disrupting a summit of world leaders in the deadliest-ever peacetime attack on the capital.

Around 700 people were wounded, markets plummeted before partially recovering and Prime Minister Tony Blair rushed to London from the Group of Eight summit in Scotland after branding the attacks “barbaric”.


July 7th in Iraq

BAGHDAD, July 7 (Reuters) – Following are security incidents reported in Iraq on July as at 1600 GMT. U.S. and Iraqi forces are battling a Sunni Arab insurgency against the Shi’ite- and Kurdish-led government in Baghdad.

MOSUL – At least 10 mortar rounds fell in a crowded market in central Mosul near the city’s provincial council headquarters. Hospital officials said three Iraqi civilians were killed and 52 injured from the blasts. A second such attack killed two civilians and wounded seven, the U.S. military said.

MASHRU – A double car bomb killed 18 people and wounded dozens late on Wednesday in Mashru, near the mainly Shi’ite city of Hilla, hospital sources said. It was the deadliest attack in Iraq for several days.

BAGHDAD – At dawn, Iraqi police commandos stormed the Dahab neighbourhood of the western Baghdad suburb of Abu Ghraib, recovering dozens of tonnes of fuel and oil hijacked from road tankers and stored in underground tanks for resale on the black market, Interior Minister Bayan Jabor told a news conference. Fuel shortages have been a major grievance in Baghdad for months.

BAGHDAD – Jabor also said an al Qaeda cell comprising eight members, including officers, from his ministry’s 8th Armoured Brigade, a mechanised counter-insurgency unit, had been arrested and accused of plotting to kill senior officials and to blow up the Interior Ministry headquarters.

TIKRIT – Around 1,000 protesters clashed with Iraqi police outside Tikrit’s police headquarters, a Reuters witness said. One policeman was killed and three protestors were injured when the crowd overran the building, a local government spokesman said. The protests were triggered by the killing of a former mayor in the town which his tribe blamed on a rival clan.

BAGHDAD – Iraq’s Interior Minister said a counter-insurgency campaign in central Iraq dubbed Operation Lightning had captured 1,691 suspects so far, including 43 foreign Arabs. Bayan Jabor said 14 members of Iraq’s security forces have died in the operation and a total of 160 car and roadside bombs were defused.

BAGHDAD – Three Baghdad barbers were shot dead by militants on Tuesday in Baghdad, a Defence ministry statement said on Thursday. Radical Islamists have killed dozens of barbers in the past year for giving clean shaves which they say is “un-Islamic”.

BAIJI – An Iraqi soldier and a civilian were shot and killed as they were driving in a civilian car on Wednesday in the northern Iraqi town of Baiji, the defence ministry said.

(Reporting by Maher al-Thanoon in Mosul, Amer Amery in Tikrit,
Mussab Khairalla, Alastair Macdonald and Hiba Mousa in Baghdad)

Explosions in London

[From the diaries by susanhu.} At least 3 reports of explosions on buses in London, and also disruption of the Tube system. One double decker bus has been described as ‘torn apart’ by an explosion.

An ITN live broadcast described a major attack to cause maximum chaos, and minimal loss of life. Not like Madrid.

There are reports of injuries.

I’ll update as I find more information.

Update [2005-7-7 6:9:11 by zander]: – This is a major event. First explosions happened at 8:49 local time. The entire mobile phone network has ground to a halt, while people contact loved ones.

Many people were trapped underground as the tube system stopped. Witnesses have described a flash and a sudden outage that stopped trains. There is some uncertainty about the cause.
Update [2005-7-7 8:11:56 by zander]:

There has a been a series of coordinated explosions in London. There has been very little confirmation but… reports are between 4 and 7 explosions in the underground tube system, and 1 to 3 bus explosions. 2 are confirmed dead, though that number will surely rise.

Timeline (props to ManEegee)
CNN timeline via Sofia News Agency

For the Record: 7 July 2005, Thursday.

12:00 p.m.: British Prime Minister Tony Blair says the “barbaric” London blasts are terrorist attacks and were designed to coincide with the G8 summit in Scotland. He will return to London.

11:35 a.m.: London police chief said there are “indications of explosives” at one of the blast sites.

11:15 Police say there were at least six explosions in London.

11:15 European Union commissioner for justice and security affairs Franco Frattini tells reporters in Rome that the blasts in London are terrorist attacks.

11:10 Police say they have reports of two deaths and nine injuries at Aldgate East subway station.

11:07 All bus services have been suspended in London, news agencies report.

10.57 British Prime Minister Tony Blair will stay at the G8 summit in Scotland but says he will speak at midday.

10:47 Home Secretary Charles Clarke says multiple London blasts cause “terrible injuries.”

10:46 Police report serious casualties in London explosions, but no deaths confirmed.

10:46 Witness to Britain’s Sky News says second blast heard in Russell Square.

10:45 Police sources say a bomb is suspected in London bus explosion.

10:33 Police confirm at least three explosions on buses in central London.

10:25 Police confirm explosion on bus in central London in the area around Russell Square.

10:24 Scotland Yard says “multiple explosions” rock London.

10:14 News agencies report a bus has exploded in central London.

10:02 Scotland Yard says it is dealing with a “major incident.”

09:53 Metronet says the entire London subway network has been shut down.

Police says incidents are reported at the Aldgate station near the Liverpool Street railway terminal, Edgware Road and King’s Cross in north London, Old Street in the financial district and Russell Square in central London, near the British Museum.

09:41 London Underground reports a second explosion at a subway station in northwest London.

09:33 Witnesses say London Underground says services are suspended after “power surge.”

09:27 Metronet, the subway maintenance company, says power surge has caused explosion in London tube station.

09:25 Police say “there are walking wounded” in London’s financial district.

09:15 British Transport Police say a explosion is reported in London’s financial district in the area near Liverpool railway station.

Update [2005-7-7 8:30:18 by zander]: There is currently a rescue operation underway at King’s Cross Station.

Update [2005-7-7 9:7:36 by zander]: Police are reassuring the city that the situation is under control. They are not speculating at this point on the possibility of a suicide bomber being responsible for the bus bombing.

Update [2005-7-7 9:26:0 by zander]: Wikipedia is all over it.
And Europhobia has blogged every moment of it.

Update [2005-7-7 9:33:22 by zander]: A British station is reporting 45 dead – unconfirmed by other sources.

Update [2005-7-7 10:38:39 by zander]: From a press conference held by British Emergency Services.At least 33 confirmed dead.

DAC Brian Paddick

Police casualty bureau is open for inquiries…

At 8:51 incident at Mooregate(?), confirmed explosion inside the tunnel – 7 confirmed fatalities.

8:56 incident at King’s Cross station – 21 confirmed fatalities.

9:17 on train in Edgeware Station, blew a hole in another train – 3 trains involved– 5 fatalities.

9:47 bus explosion – no confirmed numbers of fatalities….

4 devices involved… police service had no warning– no claims of responsibility.

DCC Andy Trotter

The underground will be down until tomorrow – buses running later today, overground closed…. Streets closed.

There are a number of bomb scares…. Doing their best to open up the system. Londoners try to make their way home….

Ambulance service….

Treated 45 with serious or critical injuries – amputations, burns, etc

300 with minor injuries – smoke inhalation, lacerations, bruises, etc.

over 100 ambulance vehicles served many scenes, asking the public to not call emergency unless they have life-threatening need

There is no one still trapped, the system was cleared within an hour or two.

Froggy Bottom Lounge

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There is absolutely no charge for the wi-fi – `cause we just hate that.

May the 4’s be with you

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American Prison Ships

While browsing around ArabNews.com looking for anything at all about the helicopter that was downed in Afghanistan, I was startled by this headline..

US Holding Prisoners on Warships: UN Official

VIENNA, 29 June 2005 — The UN has learned of “very, very serious” allegations that the United States is secretly detaining terrorism suspects in various locations around the world, notably aboard prison ships, the UN’s special rapporteur on terrorism said yesterday.

The article goes on to mention that the accusations are at this point, merely ‘rumors’, but the UN, seriously stymied at the moment in efforts to launch an inquiry into Guantanamo, is interested in investigating.

The use of prison ships would allow investigators to interrogate people secretly and in international waters out of the reach of US law, British security expert Francis Tusa said.

“This opens the door to very tough interrogations on key prisoners before it even has been revealed that they have been captured,” said Tusa, an editor for the British magazine Jane’s Intelligence Review.

To be honest with you, I don’t know if I’ve heard anything about prison ships before or not – sometimes the horrors just pile up and blur together into an incomprehensible mess for me. But I’m guessing that the UN taking an interest in floating Guantanamos is relatively new news… so I googled.

The BBC ran a brief article yesterday,

US faces prison ship allegations

Um… that kind of sealed it for me, not exactly ‘lies and unfounded propaganda’ from that arab ‘enemy’.

The United Nations says it has learned of serious allegations that the US is secretly detaining terrorism suspects, notably on American military ships.
…….

He told the BBC there were a number of allegations from reliable sources that the US was holding terrorist suspects in secret places of detention, including vessels abroad.

He said that according to the reports, the ships were believed to be in the Indian Ocean.

The LA Times has something this morning – titled “Expert: UN Seeks US Detention Centers” – but I don’t have a registration. Anyone care to dig that up for me?

That’s really all I’ve found at this point. Has anyone else heard anything about this? Is this old news, has it already been covered somewhere?

Update: The San Jose Mercury News has picked it up.

U.N. human rights experts have begun an investigation into U.S. detention facilities for terrorist suspects and allegations that there are secret prisons, one of the project leaders said Wednesday.

Manfred Nowak, the U.N.’s special expert on torture, said some undeclared holding areas could include U.S. Navy ships in international waters. He said there were “serious” allegations to that effect from Amnesty International and other non-governmental human rights groups.

…….

Nowak said he and three fellow experts decided last week to launch the inquiry without waiting for assurances of U.S. cooperation after holding off for more than three years in hopes Washington would give members access to Guantanamo Bay and other facilities holding suspected terrorists.

…..

Nowak said team members had begun interviewing former suspects held and subsequently released by U.S. authorities in efforts to establish conditions in the prisons and their exact locations.

Supreme Court Day!

–Unattended diary alert! I’ll have to disappear sporadically throughout the day – please feel free to use this as an open thread for all things Supreme Court related if the need arises.

Today is Supreme Court day!

Ten commandments, internet file sharing…. and speculation that Rehnquist could resign today.

I don’t have anything intelligent to say about the cases which will be decided, but I am interested in the question – “Are we going to spend this summer in a confirmation fight?”  

So in a ‘just in case’ kind of a way … some of the potential replacements are:

Samuel Alito. He was appointed to the appeals court by the first President Bush, Alito served in the Justice Department during the Reagan and Bush administrations. He gets rave reviews from lawyers for his legal acumen and has written some controversial opinions, including one on abortion reversed by the U.S. Supreme Court. (In that opinion he supported state restrictions.)
 

Michael Lutig. He has been on the appeals court for 14 years and is one of the most conservative judges in the country. He is extremely plugged in politically, having served in top jobs in both the Reagan and first Bush administration. He wrote the decision striking down the 1994 Violence Against Women Act.

John Roberts. He served as a law clerk to Chief Justice Rehnquist, deputy solicitor general, and head of the appellate section for the firm of Hogan & Hartson. He has argued 39 cases before the Supreme Court and won 25. Pro-choice groups would likely oppose his nomination because as deputy solicitor general, Roberts wrote briefs urging the reversal of Roe v. Wade.

Harvie Wilkinson is the former chief judge of the appeals court in Richmond on which he sits. He is a respected conservative, a former top official in the civil rights division of the Reagan Justice Department and a former clerk to Justice Lewis Powell. He is almost as conservative as Judge Luttig, but the two have exchanged unusually sharp words in their opinions. He was recently reversed by the Supreme Court – his view of absolute presidential authority in an enemy combatant decision was too extreme for Rehnquist.

Emilio Garza. He has served for 14 years on the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, earning a reputation as a staunch conservative and foe of Roe v. Wade. (He called RvW “inimical to the Constitution”.)

Or… horror of horrors, Alberto Gonzales.

Each of these bios quote directly from an NPR article here with additions by me.

Sorry this diary has absolutely nothing relevant to say, I just wanted to get it up, and provide a forum for discussion.
Please talk amongst yourselves….

Update [2005-6-27 7:15:51 by zander]: Slate has a great look at the Shortlist.

They have included Michael McConnell, who I believe is an unlikely candidate by virtue of being a respected and well-liked academic, who has previously been called “Bush’s most distinguished nominee”. Yea – right.

And also Edith Brown Clement. Glancing over her record right now, I’m tempted to say that she just doesn’t sound adequately evil to be a serious contender….