[cross posted at Daily Kos]
In an article at worldnetdaily there is now another attempt at making the evolution/creationism debate into a “free speech” issue.
Parent says ‘evolution spokeswoman’ trying to discredit effort
Posted: April 23, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
A parent suing a school district over its teaching of evolution says he was libeled by the education establishment’s chief spokeswoman on Darwin, Eugenie Scott, in an attempt to discredit his efforts.
As WorldNetDaily reported, Larry Caldwell filed a civil-rights lawsuit in federal court against the Roseville Joint Union High School District and school officials in Sacramento, Calif., alleging his constitutional rights to free speech, equal protection and religious freedom were violated when he was prevented from introducing a curriculum that changes how the theory of evolution is taught, without introducing religious content.
(emphasis mine)
Now if you can’t convince someone that creationism is science you can try for a libel suit.
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Scott’s article, Caldwell says “is typical of how the Darwinists ‘debate’ this issue – they tell lies about our side and try to discredit and marginalize everyone on our side by stereotyping us as ‘religious nut cases’ who are trying to inject Genesis into science classes, or to “ban evolution” from science classes.
According to Caldwell’s new debate rules, a call for creationists to supply evidence following the Scientific Method – before allowing biblical teaching in a SCIENCE class – is equivalent to “lying”. Supplying overwhelming evidence that discredits the limited Biblical world view is just trying to discredit “everyone on our side.” You know . . . just to be mean.
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The lawsuit asks the court to reform the district’s practices to “ensure that citizens of all political viewpoints and religious beliefs will be able to enjoy their constitutional right to bring education policy proposals before the school board and other school officials on an equal basis, without illegal discrimination.”
Obviously, they are not actually familiar with any of the “arguments” from the scientific side.
I’ve written a few proposals for my local School Board to follow Caldwell’s lead:
- I want a section that teaches that the planets are just dots printed on a series of 7 crystal spheres. These spheres surround our flat Earth, which is, indeed, the center of the Universe. Planets are no longer allowed to have moons either.
- Magma is actually fire and brimstone. The Earth is hollow and is inhabited by Satan.
- Our chemistry classes no longer have a good lab with Alchemy. I feel in our new economy the creation of the “Philosopher’s Stone” would do wonders – both in health care and the creation of gold bullion.
- I want Astrology – including the teaching of making charts (both Western and Chinese star signs included) to be taught in all Astronomy classes. This will allow our students a better chance of being employed by the “Psychic Friends Network.”
- Diseases such as Schizophrenia are truly possession by demons and can only be cured by an exorcism. I want medical schools to teach this forthwith because I know my Constitutional Rights.
Until these classes are accepted by my lying, libelous and mean-spirited school boards I will hold my breath until blue.
Or if someone has a big bucket of sand – I’ll just stick my head into it.
I have been planning to make my diary debut with a series entitled “Let’s Just Make Up Some Shit”. You’re a step ahead of me.
We can start an entirely new field of study called “Fiction Science”! That might not be a bad label for us to consider when discussing their hypotheses.
I love it! After all, facts are irrelevent, only faith matters. Any silly evidence that contradicts faith is planted by the devil, don’t we all know that by now?
He’s also responsible for the skewed perception of my height. I may appear to be under the average but it’s a snare of evil, I’m actully way tall and I insist people treat me as the six foot one person I am in spirit. If you forget to warn we to watch my head in low doorways, look out!
Free speech, eh. Well now, if you’re going to be able in a Science class to list the christian creation story then according to the ‘free speech’ theory you’d then have to list all other creation stories, right?
In turn just listing all the creation stories might take up half of the year, much less doing any scientific study..then again maybe that’s what these fuckwads are going for. No science or any real learning to clutter up our pretty little minds, right.
I cannot see from the above article how Mr. Caldwell’s constitutional right to make a total fool of himself has been violated.
This entire debate is so bizarre for someone from a fairly secular society.
This is a response from DarkSyde at Dkos
http://www.dailykos.com :
is that in both the Constitutional restoration act, and now written into most creationism bills, is a provision that no court is even allowed to hear the case, let alone decide it. So they’re basically trying to rig the laws so that once passed, it cannot be struck down as unconstitutional, it cannot even be heard. And in some bills it is illegal to even suggest the motives for the legislation are religious …
by DarkSyde on Sat Apr 23rd, 2005 at 02:55:33 PST
What amazes me is how certain groups are trying to use the Constitution to undermine the Constitution. If it wasn’t so scary I would be laughing. Well . . . I am laughing – but it has a certain nervous quality to it.
Drivers ed should be taught with a horse and buggy. Military cadets should be trained with swords, bows and catapults. Arabic numerals should be replaced by Roman numerals.
They should by all means go to schools that teach creationism, but they should agree to the things on your list as well. Furthermore, since they can’t comprehend science they should be willing to give up anything progressive such as cars, chemical fertilizers, indoor plumbing, the right to vote. We’ll install a feudal overlord in for them at no extra charge.
then they wouldn’t need the chemical fertilizers anymore.
I can’t quite understand the selective use of science. When they find out that they may not be the pinnacle of creation – they lose it.
How can someone believe that there is a Supreme Being that created the Universe and then think that they understand their will? And why is it that using the brain their God gave them so wrong?
Truly, I do not get it.
Selective science is only for convenience. They can’t imagine a life beyond their own existence, and in their arrogance what they know becomes gospel (no pun intended), to be forced upon others. In truth I feel sorry for them because they are being used by their leaders, and have no thoughts of their own. That’s why they always win an argument – at least in their mind – they cannot comprehend rational thought.
Stop this insidious propaganda campaign by those who hate freedom, join me now in adopting the use of…
“Freedom Figures”
On this XXIV day of the IV month in the Year MMV.
Now just to proove you are a patriot, please solve the following without resort to the tools of terrorism:
MCXXVII divided by LVI equals?
I’m going with XX. Can I round? Or do I need to resort to terrorism?
This had me laughing so hard – thanks guys!
and quiz http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html
And no damn Whore-of-Babylon Cardinal Numbers Either!
Thanks be to the one who created the internets; “Cardinal” numbers? A red papist plot if ever there was one.
Somewhere in Kings the Brazen Sea in front of Solomon’s Temple is declared to be 10 cubits in diameter and 30 cubits in circumference. That means we can establish the biblical equation:
pi = 3
I hereby declare we should go to our school boards and demand, Demand, DEMAND! the correct value of pi be taught in math classes, woodshop, metal shop, & etc.
We DON’T want our children to be brainwashed into accepting the -> Satanic <- (and probably pinko-liberal-commie Bolshevik Secular Humanist from Redsville-on-the-Hudson) pi value of 3.14159268 (& etc, etc, etc).
Stand UP for the True America where everyone can attend the low protestant church of their choice. IT’S TIME TO “TAKE BACK GEOMETRY!”
pi r 3!
pi R 3!!!
PI R 3!!!!!!