I’ll state up front I hope soj weighs in on this diary. I’ve never met soj, but I trust her opinion immensely.
Another of those things stranger than fiction. From a review of Jon Ronson’s The Men Who Stare at Goats originally published in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, May/June 2005:
Then, in 1995, the story broke that for the previous 25 years the U.S. Army had invested $20 million in a highly secret psychic spy program called Star Gate (also Grill Flame and Scanate), a Cold War project intended to close the “psi gap” (the psychic equivalent of the missile gap) between the United States and Soviet Union. The Soviets were training psychic spies, so we would as well. The Men Who Stare at Goats, by British investigative journalist Jon Ronson, is the story of this program, how it started, the bizarre twists and turns it took, and how its legacy carries on today. (Ronson’s previous book, Them: Adventures with Extremists, explored the paranoid world of cult mongers and conspiracy theorists.)
In a highly readable narrative style, Ronson takes readers on a Looking Glass-like tour of what U.S. Psychological Operations (PsyOps) forces were researching: invisibility, levitation, telekinesis, walking through walls, and even killing goats just by staring at them (the ultimate goal was killing enemy soldiers telepathically). In one project, psychic spies attempted to use “remote viewing” to identify the location of missile silos, submarines, POWs, and MIAs from a small room in a run-down Maryland building. If these skills could be honed and combined, perhaps military officials could zap remotely viewed enemy missiles in their silos, or so the thinking went.
Initially, the Star Gate story received broad media attention–including a spot on ABC’s Nightline–and made a few of the psychic spies, such as Ed Dames and Joe McMoneagle, minor celebrities. As regular guests on Art Bell’s pro-paranormal radio talk show, the former spies spun tales that, had they not been documented elsewhere, would have seemed like the ramblings of paranoid cultists. (There is even a connection between Ed Dames, Art Bell, and the Heaven’s Gate cult mass suicide in 1997, in which 39 UFO devotees took a permanent “trip” to the mother ship they believed was trailing the Hale-Bopp comet.)
But Ronson has brought new depth to the account by carefully tracking down leads, revealing connections, and uncovering previously undisclosed stories. For example, Ronson convincingly connects some of the bizarre torture techniques used on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison, with similar techniques employed during the FBI siege of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. FBI agents blasted the Branch Davidians all night with such obnoxious sounds as screaming rabbits, crying seagulls, dentist drills, and Nancy Sinatra’s “These Boots Are Made for Walking.” The U.S. military employed the same technique on Iraqi prisoners of war, instead using the theme song from the PBS kids series Barney and Friends–a tune many parents concur does become torturous with repetition.
One of Ronson’s sources, none other than Uri Geller (of bent-spoon fame), led him to one Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine III, who directed the psychic spy network from his office in Arlington, Virginia. Stubblebine thought that with enough practice he could learn to walk through walls, a belief encouraged by Lt. Col. Jim Channon, a Vietnam vet whose post-war experiences at such new age meccas as the Esalen Institute in Big Sur, California, led him to found the “first earth battalion” of “warrior monks” and “jedi knights.” These warriors, according to Channon, would transform the nature of war by entering hostile lands with “sparkly eyes,” marching to the mantra of “om,” and presenting the enemy with “automatic hugs.” Disillusioned by the ugly carnage of modern war, Channon envisioned a battalion armory of machines that would produce “discordant sounds” (Nancy and Barney?) and “psycho-electric” guns that would shoot “positive energy” at enemy soldiers.
I’ve listened to Ed Dames on Art Bell’s show many a night. I won’t jump into the debate of whether he’s credible or not. I will point out that I believe it was proven he had a better track record of accuracy than other, mundane methods used by the CIA and DIA, but then again, looking at some of their failures of late, that’s not saying much. I do know I’m looking forward to reading the book, The Men Who Stare At Goats.
I’ll also point out that the FBI consulted the military during the siege of Waco. We all saw how well that turned out.
It probably cost us taxpayers $50 million to determine that Nancy Sinatra is the most annoying singer in the world, comparable to ‘screaming rabbits, crying seagulls, dentist drills.’
The amazing thing is that they could have asked me for $100,000. I could have told them Barney is much more effective as a torture technique.
Shit, it probably cost them 50 million to figure out that you can get a rabbit to scream.
A rabbit’s scream is one of the most horrifying sounds in creation. I heard that one foggy night in the woods (not sure if an owl or a fox got it) while out hunting. Eerie.
Also, on a sort of related note, I’m writing up the Chiller Theater tonight to post in the morning. We’ll be on the road for a wedding. I appreciate you putting it on the front page. It surprised me to see it there, but I have fun doing it.
reward diarists that put a lot of effort into their work. I usually put them back in the diaries after a while to make sure they keep getting exposure.
Also, we had a big C & J influx this morning, so C & T might be a bigger deal this time around.
I’d noticed it and thought it was a great idea. Been a number of times I’ve read the headline on a front page post but didn’t have time to read the story. And glad to find it later on the diaries list. If it was left on the front page (and scrolled down out of sight) , I’d probably never have remembered to go looking for it.
Carnacki, do you torture children with Barney, or do they torture you? At my place its the latter…
I’m not quite sure why you want me to weigh in on this, I’m more of an int’l politics kind of person. And I don’t have any psychic powers other than a minor gift in being able to get a free table at a crowded eatery.
I have worked with “psychics” before and I’m quite familiar with these projects you’ve mentioned as well as Ed Dames and others (not personally mind you).
What can I say? Remote viewing is possible. I’ve seen it done. As a military project though, it’s fairly worthless. It’s not like a piece of electronic equipment like a “nanny cam” where you can literally “see” through someone’s eyes, it’s more like trying to read 8pt font at the bottom of a swimming pool.
The best description of what “psychic” or “paranormal” powers are really like is actually in a Michael Chrichton book (non-fiction) called “Travels”. Forget all this “jedi knight” business, pick up that book and read about the people he’s met and you’ll understand more on a realistic level what’s going on.
My own personal opinion is that Carlos Castaneda made a fundamentally important discovery when he was taught that your perception of the world literally creates your interpretation of the world. What does this mean?
It means let’s take a subject like remote viewing. Is it scientifically “possible”? Well I’ve seen it done, so it is. So imagine a child at age 3 who starts to do it. Is it going to be culturally approved? Is anyone going to encourage the child? No. So usually any latent talent in this direction will be either repressed or allowed to atrophy.
Same for “telekineses” (which by the way I’ve never seen) or “remembering past lives” or anything else under the term “psychic”. My own grandmother (PBOH) could wiggle her ears all around like a rabbit. Yet even as a young child I couldn’t do it because I couldn’t find “in my mind” where to tell the muscles were to move my ears. Some people can wiggle their scalp around, etc.
I do believe there is non-verbal communication between people, I really do. And whether that’s a “radio wave” or something else I do not know. Some people can “tune in” to it via various ways and others cannot. Many is the story of a mother knowing her child was in trouble or people feeling the death of someone miles and miles away. To brush it under the carpet as “psychic” is an intellectual cheat.
“Remote viewing” is just an enhanced form of this connection. But it cannot be done with military precision and it cannot really be forced either. Perhaps in 1000 generation we’ll all be able to do it as easily as blinking but for now it’s fairly useless as a military/intelligence weapon.
So that’s my two cents on the subject. Now let’s talk about the Philadelphia Experiment 🙂
Pax
See why I wanted you to weigh in. 🙂
cheesy movies from the 80s.
just google it…
Wow, impressive reference Rosee, thanks!
Our reputation and ethics are for shit now. I think that you can be relatively certain that all manner of brain melting and internal organ exploding ultrahigh, ultralow, sound, light, and microwave frequencies have been meticulously “studied” on unwilling, non-consenting redactees in darkened, squalid rooms throughout the world. It may be generations before we ever get our hands upon these “investigators”, if ever…
the only real paranormal activity in present times are: The Media (controlled by the money of the Thugs)
The Churches (also by money of the Thugs)
The Lies (by the BushCo/Thugs )
That is what we’re being subjected to, and unfortunately, most of the “Stepford” people in America, believe what’s on the “Boob Tube” (just shak’n my head here)
I think I’ll go look for that joint in the cushions ; ) Hey Diane,,,did you find it yet???? ~@^@~
I’m thinking it was ’71 or ’72, OMNI magazine ran a test of the psychic abilities of their readers. Results were to be published in a later issue. I filled out the questionaire and mailed it in.
Lo, couple of weeks later, I get this huge 5-lb. package with hundreds of pages of additional tests. The cover letter with OMNI letterhead stated that I had scored in the upper percentile on the previous test and asked, would I like to continue? The enclosed questionaires bore the name and address of some kind of research group in CA.
I was intrigued about where this would lead so I performed the tests and answered the additional questions. 30% of the tests were predictive, i.e., who would win in various sports, the stock market index on a particular date, etc. 40% involved “remote viewing” at various locations — they told me where to look and I reported what I “saw” there. 10% were questions about “lucid dreaming” and how adept I was at controlling my subconsious activities. The remainder were thinly disguised pscyh profiles to determine how much of a self-deluded nutcase I might be.
As I dropped the return package in the mail box, I was completely certain I was submitting the infomation to a secret government research group looking for qualified participants. Sure enough, about a month later I got a letter from the research group — without a mention of OMNI — asking if I’d like to move to CA and get paid for participating in additional tests.
I replied, respectfully, that my husband (at the time) and I had just bought a house and I was pregnant (later miscarried) and I didn’t want to live in CA. I knew I was blowing my chance to be a psychic warrior but what the hell — that isn’t what I wanted to do with my life, then or now. Indeed, I was quite sure that if I knew I was spying for the government, my abilities would fail me entirely.
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Chess play was dominated by the Soviet Union. It was part of the Communist propaganda in their play for world domination. The nations chess pieces were moved on the globe in South-east Asia, Central & South-America and the African continent with Cuban troops in Angola.
Just like the DDR and their dominance of athletics during the Olympic games in the Cold War era, use of doping par excellence. Many “ladies” records still stand today. Similar also to the previous decade of space exploration, race to the moon and the arms race: quantity of missiles, rocket thrust and nuclear heads.
Beyond the exquisite chess displayed in Reykjavik – beyond my comprehension – the remarkable chain of events during chess play, there was a REAL propaganda war ensuing. As I recall from memory, the positioning of Soviet “helpers” to Boris Spasski in the audience, mind games and fear of telepathy to cheat.
DIARY at dKos —
Video News – Bobby Fischer – plane interview
by creve coeur Sun Mar 27th, 2005
Brother-in-law of former World Chess Champion Bobby Fischer: Interestingly, one of Fischer’s opponents, Boris Spassky, claimed he lost a match because he was being beamed with confusion rays.
(Becker, Robert and Selden, Gary, The Body Electric, Quill, 1985, pg 322)
The Hounding of a Chess Legend
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité