We did it! Democrats are past 41 votes against cloture. CSPAN2. Senate Dems have agreed to a 6PM ET cloture vote. Dems are urging delay to resolve the records impasse, says the NYT. If 60 senators vote for cloture, which requires some Dems, debate ends and the Senate votes to confirm today; that vote requires only a simple majority. Which Dems may cave on cloture?
NEW: NBC Says We Likely Don’t Have 41 Votes | Today’s Speeches | Clue from Voinovich’s Speech Yesterday | Dems Demand Top-Secret Docs | Thune Wavers | Rockefeller’s Dilemma | Newsweek on NSA Intercepts. More below:
Update [2005-5-26 13:37:47 by susanhu]: From NBC: “In a last-ditch effort, two Democratic senators, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, worked Thursday to round up the 41 votes needed to stop the nomination of John Bolton to be U.S. envoy to the United Nations. … Democrats Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska each said in interviews late Wednesday they would vote with the Republicans to end debate. … Voinovich too …
Update [2005-5-26 12:53:45 by susanhu]: From TWN:
The Bolton Speeches: The Good, The Great, The Very Bad, and The Ugly
There is a diligent soul over at DailyKos posting segments of all of the Bolton speeches on the floor of the Senate. It’s a great archive to have available for those of you who may have missed Voinovich, Levin, Boxer, or Biden yesterday — or Senator Pat Robert’s miserly response — or Obama’s fantastic speech today.
It’s worth checking these out now that “Alias” is over for the season.
Help name this thread: Crack your Thesaurus, rattle your brain, search the recesses of your dark side. Blowpipe Bolton, Blowup Bolton, Blowfish Bolton, Bolthead Bolton…. go for it. We can have a group choose by “4s,” or if need be, a poll.
The definition of bola from Webster’s: A weapon made of a long cord or thong with heavy balls at the end, used for throwing at and entangling cattle.
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I’ll add any breaking news here. You do the same.
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Clue From Voinovich’s Speech Yesterday:
6:00 AM: CSPAN is replaying Voinovich’s speech, and I just noticed he said this: “There are several theories how Bolton got this nomination, but I won’t go into that on the floor of the Senate but if anyone wishes to talk to me directly about this, I will tell them (or words to that effect).” Might that be the gossip Steve Clemons heard about?
Dems Demand Top-Secret NSA Intercepts, via the NYT:
The information sought is related to Mr. Bolton’s handling of information requested from the N.S.A. and to his role in a 2003 dispute over intelligence assessments on Syria. American intelligence officials rejected as overstated testimony that Mr. Bolton sought to deliver to Congress about Syria’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs.
The State Department has refused to share the information, saying that to disclose documents showing the internal debate could have a chilling effect on future discussions.
The only information that has been provided to Congress about Mr. Bolton’s handling of the N.S.A. intelligence came in a briefing two weeks ago by Gen. Michael V. Hayden of the Air Force, the new principal deputy director of national intelligence, to Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas, the Republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, the ranking Democrat. If the administration refuses to provide more information by Thursday evening, and if Mr. Biden and Mr. Dodd stand their ground, Republicans, who have 55 seats in the Senate, would need votes from at least five Democrats to push through a vote on Mr. Bolton this week. If the Democrats muster 41 votes to keep the debate alive, a vote would be postponed until early June, after the Senate returns from the holiday recess.
In their letters on Wednesday, Mr. Roberts and Mr. Rockefeller provided the first concrete information about Mr. Bolton’s handling of highly classified information provided to him by the N.S.A., in response to his requests. Both said there was evidence that Mr. Bolton had shared information with a subordinate at the State Department about a highly classified February 2003 report in which the subordinate was named.
Mr. Roberts sought to minimize the significance of the episode, saying it appeared Mr. Bolton had not known that the N.S.A. had requested that the information not be shared with others. But Mr. Rockefeller said it demanded further exploration.
The episode is one of 10 in which Mr. Bolton had previously acknowledged using his authority as undersecretary of state to obtain from the N.S.A. information about the identities of Americans mentioned in intercepted communications.
Under normal procedures, the names of such Americans are deleted from intelligence reports prepared by the N.S.A. to protect the Americans’ privacy and can be released only upon request and after a high-level review. The names are regarded as so secret that General Hayden refused to share them with Mr. Roberts and Mr. Rockefeller.
In describing a two-week review, both Mr. Roberts and Mr. Rockefeller said they had been convinced that there was nothing inappropriate in Mr. Bolton’s decisions to request the information. But Mr. Rockefeller raised questions not only about Mr. Bolton’s decision to share it, but also about whether he had been candid in telling the N.S.A. that he needed the names to better understand the report from which they were deleted.
In the case of the February 2003 report, Mr. Rockefeller disclosed, Mr. Bolton had “used the information he was provided” by the N.S.A. “to seek out the State Department official mentioned in the report to congratulate him.” Mr. Rockefeller said the episode “demands further attention” because it raised questions about Mr. Bolton’s conduct.
Neither senator identified the State Department official involved, but Mr. Roberts said in his letter that he worked for Mr. Bolton and had been cleared to handle classified intelligence information.
Via War and Piece, Thune Wavering:
Rockefeller’s Dilemma, via TWN:
The only problem is that he knows more about Bolton than nearly any other Senator and can’t do much with what he knows.
Rockefeller and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Pat Roberts (R-KA) received a classified briefing over two weeks ago from Deputy Director for National Intelligence Michael Hayden on the NSA intercept material that Bolton requested during his four year tenure as Under Secretary of State for International Security and Arms Control. Specifically, Bolton requested to know the ‘identities’ of U.S. officials’ names that are routinely scrubbed from top-secret NSA intercepts.
TWN has learned that most of the intercepts are clustered around two periods of time in 2003 and 2004. Speculation abounds that the intercepts may show patterns of serious misjudgement on Bolton’s part and a ‘personal vanity’ trying to learn what others were saying about him — not an appropriate justification for delving into the nation’s ‘most secret’ secrets.
Since the Hayden briefing of Rockefeller and Roberts, others have been called to the Committee for further investigation of this matter — including the Bolton-victimized State Department INR analyst Christian Westermann and Bolton’s former chief of staff, Fred Fleitz.
Interestingly, Fleitz never gave up his portfolio of responsibilities at the CIA while he was working for Bolton — which thus helps explain why so much unpackaged intel was constantly coming from certain corners of the CIA to bolster Bolton’s crusades. Interestingly, Fleitz, on Bolton’s behalf, was playing the CIA and State INR off of each other, constantly cherry-picking the intel that fit Bolton’s needs and rarely respecting either CIA intel packaging procedures, or State Department INR procedures.
The Intelligence Committee also met other intelligence analysts as well — and there is an ongoing “inquiry” into what Bolton and Fleitz did with the intelligence they lifted from the NSA intercepts. Some might even call this an “investigation” into Bolton.
However, the SSCI does not have jurisdiction in matters related to the confirmation hearings of John Bolton — but it does have powers to consider whether laws were broken — even the spirit of the law when it comes to potential breaches of national security-related intelligence protocols.
Media with intelligence shops need to dig further into this SSCI investigation and learn what state the Bolton investigation is in.
Senator Pat Roberts does not want to proceed, but Rockefeller has failed to give his consent to any letter to the Foreign Relations Committee about Bolton that white-washes what was learned from the NSA briefing.
And note: Senator Roberts and Rockefeller did not receive the list of “names” that Bolton received. Thus, there was enough that was worrisome in the Hayden briefing to warrant further inquiry.
It seems to me to be highly unusual and wrong-headed for Frist to push a vote on Bolton when in fact there is an active investigation underway about Bolton and his former Chief-of-Staff in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
Frist should speak with Senator Pat Roberts to see “how bad” things are on Bolton. That should not be a classified revelation by Roberts.
But the worst case for the country — for both sides of the aisle frankly — is that Bolton makes his way forward, possibly squeaking by with a narrow confirmation — and then leaks begin to occur about these NSA intercepts that indict Bolton and Fleitz’s recklessness with sensitive national security intelligence.
Rockefeller knows more than most. I speculate that he is keeping Senator Roberts from white-washing what they have found, but Rockefeller cannot easily reveal his concerns. What needs to be nudged forward is that a real inquiry on Bolton is still in process.
That inquiry should be completed before any United States Senator considers the Bolton nomination. They may not wait.
But those who failed to consider the national security questions involved before rushing to support Bolton may find themselves on very fragile ground if the forthcoming leaks tell the story that many suspect.
— Steve Clemons
Posted by steve at May 25, 2005 10:23 AM
Newsweek on NSA Intercepts, via TWN:
Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff have a nice overview on how the NSA intercepts controversy is surfacing like a semi-concealed submarine in the Bolton debate.
This story has been percolating for weeks, but few have serious journalists have looked at the triple layer chess confrontation that is being waged by multiple players in this process.
On one front, the White House has defied Senate Foreign Relations Committee CHAIRMAN Richard Lugar — a Republican and supporter of Bolton — on his request for the NSA intercepts.
On another, John Negroponte flipped off Senator Biden by stating that to get information on the NSA intercepts, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee would have to grovel before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for further information.
On yet another front, Senator Pat Roberts prevented Senators Lugar and Biden from attending the NSA intercepts briefing two and a half weeks ago given by Deputy Director of National Intelligence Michael Hayden.
But today, finally, these battles have erupted and have had political impact — though all of this was brewing for a very long time with little reporting.
Isikoff and Hosenball report that because of the failure of the administration to comply with Senate evidence requests, the Bolton opposition may appeal for and actually get yet another delay on the Bolton vote.
This would be useful as there is more on the Bolton story to tell the nation, and a few more days could be important.
From the story:
On Wednesday, the Senate opened floor debate on the Bolton nomination. But two Bolton critics on the Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Dodd and ranking Democrat Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, announced that unless the administration turned over additional information about the uncensored NSA intercepts to the committee, they might insist that the Senate hold a cloture vote, which would require 60 senators to approve a motion to halt debate, before calling a final vote on Bolton’s confirmation. Several Senate Democratic aides said that they believed that Senate Republicans would have trouble finding 60 votes to cut off debate on Bolton’s nomination if the administration failed to turn over additional information.
Democratic congressional sources said that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist had indicated that he was pressing the administration for more information about Bolton’s dealings with the NSA. If Bolton’s nomination does not clear the Senate this week, the earliest a final vote could be held on his nomination would be after a weeklong Memorial Day recess.
All Senators need to study the Bolton file and ask themselves whether a vote in favor of Bolton is something that he or she can strongly defend given all of the evidence that has been gathered against the nomination. Ignorance will be no excuse. Trusting the judgment of President Bush in this case will be no excuse.
A vote in favor of John Bolton — given all that we now know — is a vote of considerable consequence for any United States Senator who agrees to confirm him. It will matter. And those who fail to read the material — who just go with the pro-Bolton flow — will be faced with challenges when the opportunities present themselves.
There are no excuses good enough to support Mr. Bolton — not anymore. Not given what any reasonable person who has studied this situation knows.
— Steve Clemons
Posted by steve at May 26, 2005 12:51 AM
Think that says it all but let me give you some synonyms:
BRUTE
SAVAGE
RUDE
UNCIVILIZED
BOOR
RUFFIAN
CRUDE
UNCULTURED
CRUEL
RUTHLESS
INHUMAN
UNRELENTING
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A perfect synonym of Bolton. Thanks.
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité
How’s the new title … it’s a work-in-progress.
OMG. I just found the most disturbing word during my dictionary search: Broomrape
Def: Any number of leafless plants … parasitic on the roots of other plants.
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Def: Any number of leafless plants … parasitic on the roots of other plants.
Wouldn’t Diane101 appreciate the contribution in her Garden Management diary?
Broom.rape n (1578): any of a genus (Orobanche of the family Orobanchaceae, the broomrape family).
Orobanche addition
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité
Will the Republicans get — what is it exactly, 6 Democrats? — to go along and vote for cloture?
Which Democrats will vote for cloture? Name likely suspects?
Yup. Any of the Southern Dems?
Although, in his defense, Lieberman did vote against Priscilla yesterday!
Think Joe’s no on Pricilla was part of the compromise deal.
He’s up now. “Why should we be promoting an individual who has clearly not done the job?”
“Sen. Voinivich has had the courage to stand up”
“At the end of the day it’s very clear to me that he should not be our representative.”
Why is Frist pushing for a vote now, while the investigation is supposedly continuing? Could it be that he knows there’s more, and still more, bad stuff to come out and wants to avoid a public disclosure?
<dons Pollyanna hat, vacuous smile> I am hopeful that the Dems will hang tough and he won’t get cloture. <resumes normal cynicism, disgust at criminal behavior in government>
Well, the Bush admin is hell-bent on not releasing those docs. This seems to be a pattern, no? Even if the docs weren’t damaging, I think they’d hold back just to be the assholes they are.
Is Frist talking? I’ve been switching to other news shows.
I dunno. I don’t watch TV at all.
I don’t think he has yet. Right now Mel Martinez is speaking. Obama and McCain recently spoke.
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Last statement says it all!
Is this the quality of arguments in the US Congress today?
* is FALSE. Ruud Lubbers was Dutch Prime Minister from 1984-1994. Youngest Dutch PM and longest sitting ever. His UN yearly income was fully returned to UNHCR organization, as Ruud Lubbers was already multi-millionaire before any job in public office. Often spoke out against US policy. Has been a great and hard worker for the UNHCR. Since his forced resignation, has immediately been welcomed to head Dutch Institute for Nuclear Research.
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité
conversations between Sarbanes and Dodd are so cute and comical.
are they going to brag that Bolton was able to strike the ‘zionism equals racism’ clause from the UN?
Fine. Good. It was a diplomatic success. A diplomatic community shouldn’t brand a country racist, unless there is an extremely compelling reason to do so.
But is this piece of diplomatic work even register on the scale agianst Bolton’s undiplomatic accomplishments?
But wasn’t that later clarified that it was accomplished in spite of Bolton? (Or was that something else he nearly mucked up?)
Hey! Where’s our surprise? If you have time to post, you have time to unveil our suprise. That’s as cruel as the Dairy Queen torture my fther used to subject us to. “Who wants to go to Dairy Queen?” “Me! Me! Me!” “Just checking for next time”
Mel Martinez just said “I strongly support Mr. Bolton for a permanent position as Ambassador. . .”
WTF? Am I reading too much into that comment? Ambassador for life?
it could be that Mel Martinez is as dumb as a sack of nails.
Ya think?
And again I say. . . Where! Is! Our! Surprise!? (she whines while stomping her foot)
like this:
What do you suppose Lugar’s conversations with his wife are like? I mean, don’t you get the feeling that he’d really love to tell George W. to stick Bolton up his ass?
yammering. Whatever he does.
Feingold is up now.
There’s a quorum call at the moment .. CSPAN just reminded us that the cloture vote is at 3PM PT — so that’s about 3-1/2 hours from now.
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During Trip to Japan:
TOKIO April 11, 2005 — Dutch Foreign Minister Ben Bot, said through a spokesman he “does not quite understand” why the White House nominated Bolton, “at a time when the US is going back to multilateralism”
NRC Handelsblad – Quality Newspaper
Have been listening to audio all day on CSPAN-2.
Need a boost — bring on maverick MP Galloway!
Oui – Liberté – Egalité – Fraternité
Kerry is up now
Orrin I lie whenever my mouth moves Hatch is spewing forth all the regimes lies. Bolton was the reason there was so much faulty intelligence.
Disgusting. He just opined about the ‘intellectual disease” afflicting the United Nations.
the only disease at the UN is a veto for any Security Council member which gets rather abused by you-know-which-country.
Revoltin’ Bolton
I heard a song by comedienne/singer/songwriter Christine Lavin a few days ago that reminded me of John Bolton:
Crystal Gayle
Dorothy Hamill
Don King
Lyle Lovett
and Gloria Steinem have in common
They are Prisoners of Their Hairdos
Prisoners of Their Hair
If they changed the way they combed their hair
They’d never be recognized anywhere
They’re prisoners
Check out the rest of the song:
http://www.christinelavin.com/01030308prisoners.html
There are 55 Republicans + the two known Democrats (Feinstein and Nelson) = 57.
Who else?
And how will YOU FEEL if we lose the cloture vote?
I harbor no illusions about getting answers on the NSA intercept or other security concerns about Bolton, so I’d just as soon see it go to a vote instead of more back-and-forth between the Senators. Either Voinovich walks the walk he’s been talking or he doesn’t.
Either let this man’s abysmal, and likely shortlived, tenure at the UN start or send him on his way.
What will be, will be and the new info is doubtful to change anyones mind in Senate at this time, let it go to vote and see what happens. If he passes, he will be virtually ineffective(owing to his repututation) and will be surely watched closely by all and sunder. I have a feeling he will not last long even if he passes, most likey promoted up to another position, perhaps Rumsfeld’s SOD, then we can really get mad.
I think I will have to go to the bathroom and become ill.
If we lose, I’m going to be depressed. 🙁 (Gawd, if we can’t even muster 41 votes to stick it to Bolton and Bush, what is the Democratic party made of?! It’s NOT the same thing as a filibuster.)
I’ll be depressed too…we’ve got, what, 44+1 to pull from, so it doesn’t even need to be unanimous…aaagghhh!
Pardon me people, but I just have to ask a question of possibly childlike innocence: How much of a practical difference does it make who gets to be UN ambassador?
Yes, Bolton sucks kidney stones and the symbolism here is terrible. And obviously it would be nice to give Bush a smack. But the UN ambassador is just another ambassador who, like any diplomat, operates under strict instructions from the State Dept. At least that’s how it works in other countries. Now, Bolton is undoubtedly the diplomat and boss from Hell, but he won’t be much of a policy-maker (unless, of course, all bets are off with this administration, but that pretty much precludes any analysis of the situation.) That the dishonest, incompetent Condi became Sec. of State was a catastrophe an order of magnitude greater than this – or so it seems to me.
He’s going to become ambassador. It’d just be fun to win the cloture vote to delay it for a while.
And I hope he goes ape sh-t in the U.N. and embarrasses the hell out of the Bush administration.
I’m hoping that too, but was afraid to say… 😉
I am anxious for all this crapolla to be over with so I can stop watching cspan 24-7 and go back to the ‘lighter fare on Cable news’. It’s so hard to listen to the Rep. side, but yet you have to in case our side comes up or they say or do something outraegous on the Rep. side. Biden talking now, trying once again to make his point about “names” on docs.
44 min. to vote, I think!!
I bet that if this gets voted to cloture, and then vote on nomination I think he will lose by 75/ 25. I will bet a diary on this, lose you do one, if I win I will do one. Who wants to take me up on this.
Subject would be Bolton, any ‘take’ on it you choose.
I need something like “Laverne & Shirley” after listening to this stuff for hours.
What in the same hell is this moron’s point, if he is going to compare bolton to speigel, I think I will quickly go to the bathroom and be sick.
Who did that Ga senator say broke a ceiling?!
the president of kennesaw state in georgia. speigel I think is how her name is spelled
On CNN there is a press conference, which I just turned on but I think he is saying that instances have occurred but?.!!!! Anyone know more?
of the Koran was an accident, and just rumors.
and that they are all enemy combatants and a threat to the US and its allies and the interrogations are producing valuable information to fight terror.
Oh well. Never mind then. Hopefully, they’ll play the full press conf. later. I’d like to see if they got any Qs about today’s new press erlease from the ACLU.
Prisoner Recants Quran-Desecration Claims
I missed the first part of conference but here is what was said during question time there was some mishandling, some serious, some not so serious, but no flushing. He was asked by reporter if that was really possible since they had no toilets at that time, and was there any mishandling in that way without actual toilets, general said, no there was none of that.
Said they had problems early, then drafted policies to correct that.
Asked if by MEastern reporter if they would apologize to Arab world, the General said, “for what”. We corrected our problems and there is no problem.
Seems like the investigation hinged on “flushing” which may have been sidestepped in this way as there were apparently no flush toilets at Camp xray.
That’s is what I got out of the part I watched.
to its image in the rest of the world now, thanks to this swift and thorough investigation.
68 years of marriage. Nice of Ted Stevens to note it.
Pentagon briefing on handling of Koran is on ..
it was inadvertant, you anti-Americans!
This man’s voice sends shivers down my spine, he feels evil. I wonder if he is the only living heart transplant donor.
I believe Cheney was the first.
And now that they’ve perfected the technology, we’ll be seeing more and more…
Oh man. . .this time of evening, I like light, fluffy thoughts, Cabin Girl.
But to take it just one tad bit further. . .perhaps they don’t even need stem cells. Think about that, and have a pleasant evening. :^)
I meant that in the most light and fluffy of ways!
But the concept had the makings of nightmares!
I can’t hear half the votes.
I have 23 no’s so far
I listened while I waited for the voting to start — MSNBC said that Specter took the train back to Penn. because he was told they had the votes, but now the analysts said it was too close to call and that maybe he shouldn’t have left
30 no’s so far
35
freaking repugs are lemmings
..running off the cliff
just lost my c span connection
Anybody have a count, I had 37 when lost my connection, came back and heard two more no’s, that makes 39, unless I have miss counted.
i also think 39
I thought voinivich would at least stand up for his principles. now wondering if that crying was just and act to get the ohio voters to feel his pain. I don’t know, he could have at least stood up and been counted, instead being a freaking lemming.
42 stood their ground, how many republicans voted against him
give them hell harry. make them know it is lack of cooperation from the white house and rove.
Nice wording on behalf of the CSPAN banner. “Senate fails to stop debate of Bolton Nomination”. Couldn’t it also have read, “Senate succeeds in continued debate. . .”
Hi! I’m asleep…
Oh wait. Someone must have spoken your full name.
Pleasant dreams.
Whooee! <Jumps up and down in chair. Chortles.>
OK, now that the Dems have shown that they do have some vertebrae after all, what happens next? More debate ad infinitum?
The cat-killer looks weaker and weaker. Heh! <channeling Armando>
A great day to be a dem for once. It is nice to see the repugs voting with us for a change. I am off to Tucson and the heat for four days. Just letting you guys know. Mom alwys said to tell somebody where you are at all times…lol. Hope I don’t go through withdrawls. Won’t be asking my repub sis to use her computer. We just finally started talking again since the election. See you guys on Tuesday, if not before. I feel like you are all a part of my family now, my Tribe. Love to all…Lee
Enjoy your weekend here in the Old Pueblo! If you get a chance, take a drive up to Mt. Lemmon. It was nice up there when I went two weekends ago.
Have a great trip and try to forget about politics for awhile. I have a feeling you will have to get to a computer and check up with what is going on here. If not we will see you back here on Tuesday.
I predict a slow weekend on the site, since holidays are usually like that.
Have fun!!!!!
I always find it amusing to discover there’s a holiday looming that I wouldn’t have noticed had it not been for comments on blogs. Conducting all my work from home, I tend toward isolationism and lack of awareness regarding events outside the scope of my personal little world. (And now I know not to take it personally when my clients and business associates won’t be returning my calls and e-mails on Monday!)
Will John Bolton be confirmed as the U.S. ambassador to the U.N.? * 10179 responses
Yes.
32%
No.
60%
Unsure.
8%
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7997379/
Thanks Egee…Mt. Lemmon is a great escape from the heat and beautiful. I lived in Tucson for eight years and used to camp out at Bigalow in the summer. ANd Diane you are probably right about checking in and holidays being slow. Later gang..