Peter Daou has traced the prongs (Salon, sub. only) that elevate certain current issues to prominence, and concludes that — without the concurrent props of the mainstream media and the political establishment — the single prong of blog buzz will not give a story “legs” and legitimacy.
Daou, the editor of Salon’s popular Daou Report — a highly readable blog-tracking page (that you can preview without a subscription) — bunkered in the “war room” of John Kerry’s 2004 campaign where he strove to educate the old guard about the netroots and to develop communications with a core group of bloggers. He also tried to teach the campaign’s leaders, and Kerry, that they couldn’t use e-mail and blogs merely for fundraising.
Having observed Peter’s timely and thoughtful work at Salon, I safely assume that he worked hard to educate the power brokers. He writes in today’s in-depth piece that “the Internet was perceived as a source of cash, not as a research or communications tool. … This was an untapped resource that hadn’t existed in previous presidential elections and I hoped the campaign would harness it, but the prodigious fundraising capabilities of the Internet sucked up all the online oxygen.”
However … (Continued below)
However, my impression is that too many of Kerry’s e-mails discussed drummed-up issues that failed to disguise the e-mail’s real intent: “Gimme more of your money.” Daou chalks it up to a “natural antagonism of the old guard toward the new,” while pointing out that GOP chair Ken Mehlman correctly understood the ‘net’s potential. Mehlman correctly predicted “that the party that dominated the Internet would win the election.”
The Daou triangle is, I think, a great way for us to view the communications structure in which all of us bloggers and diarists are working — and how we are limited in our influence unless we pay attention to the triangulation factor. Daou writes:
[W]ithout the participation of the media and the political establishment, the netroots alone cannot generate the critical mass necessary to alter or create conventional wisdom. This is partly a factor of audience size, but it’s also a matter, frankly, of trust and legitimacy. Despite the astronomical growth of the netroots (see Bowers and Stoller for hard numbers), and the slow and steady encroachment of bloggers on the hallowed turf of Washington’s opinion-makers, it is still the Russerts and Broders and Gergens and Finemans, the WSJ, WaPo and NYT editorial pages, the cable nets, Stewart and Letterman and Leno, and senior elected officials, who play a pivotal role in shaping people’s political views. That is not to say that blogs can’t be the first to draw attention to an issue, as they often do, but the half-life of an online buzz can be measured in days and weeks, and even when a story has enough netroots momentum to float around for months, it will have little effect on the wider public discourse without the other sides of the triangle in place. Witness the Plame case, an obsession of left-leaning bloggers long before the media and the political establishment got on board and turned it into a political liability for Rove and Bush.
Daou points to the Bolton nomination, for instance, as a success because blog pressure was matched by media and input from senior elected officials — ” (the recess appointment was emblematic of Bolton’s defeat, not his victory).” Then there’s failure:
To understand what happens when the online community is on its own, look no further than electronic voting. The progressive netroots has been hammering away at this for years, but the media and the political establishment is largely mute. Traction = Zero. The conventional wisdom puts it squarely in the realm of conspiracy theories.
Your turn:
Well, by far, Susan, you know me. I am not that astute in politics as one should be. I tend to read and listen and see for myself. I then think and deliberate on this for a little bit then talk about it. I am not a good blogger for I do think way to much, especially about most issues. However, I do have firm ideas on some topics and that is when I come on like gang busters. It is not beyond me to change my mind on something of a given fact that will change my mind, but I do have to see the profit in thinking differently before I change my mind.
NOw that I have said all this, When I was uncomfortable voting for someone, but felt I had not any choice…ie: ABB in 04, I then feel very uncomfortable with lots of things. I hold back and then I am leary about voting for something for fear of getting burned again!
Is this coming out clearly as I hope it is to me saying it from my heart and mind????
I know the internet has opened up a lot of avenues for all of us to get into things that was never available before. I do way toooo much reading that sometimes gets me off track and I have to regroup myself….this is agravating to me for doing it. So I have to find a happy medium. There is such a thing in my line of work called “burnout” and this is how I conceive the knowledge from the net.
Now I have been getting lots of email from the democratic party for I surely vote with them after all. They consider me an asset for now. Once I write them off, then I will not get their mail…I will not give money and when I do I it is only once and that is all. After all I do have to feed and clothe myself and be able to function on my own personal basis. This is what Dean figured out early on….a little from a lot will get you many $$$$$$$.
As far as spreading what your agenda is, I want to see it for myself. Kerry turned me off very early on when chris mathews was making his college tours and interviewed Kerry at the Citadel. I heard things from his mouth that I really did not like…then to have him turn around and change his words without explaining himself is not what I like in character of ppl. If they were to tell me why they were changing their mind and in plain english and not Senate talk, then I would be more inclined to listen…and I am a professional…god forbid the truly uneducated that only hear one sentence statements from a man like dubya. There are a lot of illiterate ppl out here in the real world. I know for I have them as patients. I have to talk to them thru pictures, to get things across to them. I have to demonstrate to them thru preformance to get them to understand. I really tried hard to understand and deal with Kerry on my own level..I really did, but once I had this tugging in my mind about something about someone, I usually can not let it go without good reason…And when dubya said he was a flip flopper that gave him the lable that stuck in my mind.
Maybe I am way off here on this, but I think this is what Daou is trying to get out in his message…at least that is how I take it…I could be wrong.
Thanks for sticking with me here on this…
Brenda, I always enjoy the insights you express in your posts. What you say about being leery about voting for someone for fear of getting burned again is something I’m sure everyone here recognizes. Politics these days is, after all, a calculus of betrayal, and we are led to make our choices based on who we feel will betray us the most gently. And, of course, hand in hand with the science of beytrayal is the lack of trust. (I had recently returned from the dead not too long before the ’04 elections and I found it quite uncomfortable to say the least to begin my new chance at life casting an “ugly” vote for the equivocal and duplicitous and politically cowardly Kerry just because it was more imperative to vote against the imbecile Bush and his sociopathic machine. I felt betrayed by the Democratic party for putting up this “Wooden Indian” of a candidate, and trapped by having him as the only alternative to Bush.)
I think what Peter Daou was saying abut trust in his article was basically that because the blogs are so diffuse and so widely varied, that people tend to trust the mainstream papers and newsreaders more to provide them with accurate information. Of course we know here that the media has been screwing the country for a long time now. They’ve been complicit in the propaganda efforts of the politicos to unprecedented levels, and hacks like Russert and Matthews and all the rest of them do far more damage than they do good. But, sadly, most cable news viewers don’t see it that way, nor do they necessarily even want to learn more about things. I know lots of people who don’t want to know anything about what’s going on in Iraq or Afghanistan or what the bankruptcy laws will do or why the health care system is going to disintegrate. They don’t want to know because then they’d have to be upset and then they’d have to spend time figuring out what to do. And most people just prefer to believe what they want to believe and just leave it at that. Whether what they believe is true or not doesn’t concern them.
And this is why the establishment media still guides their opinions. It’s an entertainment format, media news is, and it’s deliberately unchallenging to the viewer. That’s why so many people suck up so many of the lies so often. It’s easy for them.
I think you picked up on Brenda’s message very well … Brenda is someone whose posts I always try to read. Brenda, because you do think so much and you read so much — and probably too because you have to communicate so clearly for a living — you do get across what you’re thinking, far better than you may feel you do.
Sbj, I share your suspicions. After the election, I was so disgusted that I vowed I’d refuse to vote for Kerry or another candidate like him in 2008. I’m not sure I’ll keep that vow, but it was an incredibly disillusioning experience.
Here we had a president who couldn’t even function in a debate — who was so awful, uninformed, inarticulate and strange-acting that most any rational person watching would have been shocked and turned off. And we couldn’t win against him?
Kerry’s people couldn’t move in on the party hacks in Ohio so they could monitor the voting and disbursement of voting machines?
That’s politics 101.
Kerry is a prime example of how the DLC crowd is anathema to the real Democratic party and to the country as a whole.
And Brenda, even before I learned that she was a nurse I sensed that she was connected to humanity on a far deeper level than most of us.
Brenda, I hope you’re reading this. I think you’re an astonishing person.
Well, I hope you know I credit the company I keep for this deep thought…:o) If it weren’t for you all I would be certainly lost for having a voice and that voice for discussion. I treasure this and do not ever want to destroy the trust we all have with one another. Even tho I do not know each of you on a personal basis, I think we can determine what each person is made out of. This is in fact why we here at booman have such a great dialog. We really discuss, for the most part and to me that is what needed. In problem solving, this is essential. If we fail to communicate then all is lost.
Thank you for your kind words; however, it is you that I feed off of with your truly beautiful minds. I love you guys, even when we do disagree…:o)
Now, on the political thing. I do think blogging is essential for the communication of this whole thing of a candidate’s viability. The net can make or break a person in politics. Look at what Paul Hackett did because of the money raised from the way it went thru the net. I for one did nto knwo who he was till he can into view inline. I seriously think the other medium called TV did not either, if it werent for us, here online! Point made! The Paul Revere ride of the net is the next thing to gold IMO. But we must be vigilant as to the credibility of it for our own sake or we might just be taken again…betrayal is not a good thing to have to deal with…
This is a very thought provoking piece by Peter Daou, and it goes to the very heart of why so many of us are here on the blogs trying to find ways to take back the country and make it better for everyone.
There are many thoughts firing in my brain about this
but they’re fragmentary and disorganized, and it’s time for bed.
I’m hopeful some of us will be able to have a fruitful discussion about this, about how we might best influence events in the world around us.
One thing seems to be clear. We need to challenge the establishment media and the political blowhards relentlessly. But there’s a lot more to it.
This is an important piece of structural analysis of the role of the blogoshere. It deals with the very things which have bothered many about the methodologies of blog info dissemination. In some cases it seemed that the blogs produced a response, in others nothing. The mechanics of the system are dealt with for the first time in Daou’s construct.
Having said that it add the disclaimer that this is merely the first look at this possible system. It will be refined, modified, or supplanted by other work.
What this analysis DOES provide is the first way to think about how to increse dessemination and popular effect through convincing or enlisting or reaching news personell who will in turn link into political establishment.
The potential other arm of the political establishment connecting with the blogoshere has a few signs such as the politicals disseminating to the blogs on Kos. I’m not clear whether the aides read the blogs to inform their principals. there’s evidence of it in some places and not in others. Computers are still “New” for many in the political establishment, and many of the principals were to senior to run computers when workable fast computers truly arrived about five years ago.
So all of this is to ponder; there’s actually a lot to ponder here from a simple outline analysis. Time for considerable pondering by the systems analysts.
Okay. I just watched the season premiere of “Arrested Development,” which has warped my little mind, and I kept thinking, during the commercials, about those really irritating Kerry e-mails in 2004 …
Dear Susan (well, a couple times, I got e-mail to Dear Michelle, but have to admit I appreciated the personal touch, if not the computer glitch)
We national security poverty September 11 nuclear threat grave threats to national security wind surfing is manly national security preparedness.
Gimme your money national security health care I care about your children’s future vote for me medals Vietnam hero wounds were serious and hurt a lot national health care money money money I want money save me save our country save the world money I need money…. volunteer yard signs mostly send me money …
Susan, I am glad you wrote this up. I’ve been wanting to all day but I have been too busy and the New York Football Fucking A Awesome Giants took the field.
Peter’s essay is outstanding and there is a lot to discuss in it.
is the football game still on?
Peter’s work is very, very good…. all weekend, his page said that he wasn’t going to be updating the site as much because he was working intensively on a writing project. Well, it was worth it, wasn’t it.
And, it also made me realize — since he wasn’t updating — just how much he does update his page every day. And how he reads so damn many blogs (how does he do that?), and then finds the most interesting quotes to highlight featured blog entries.
Then there’s his Plame page, which is such a useful history of what’s being written on both blogs and in the media.
P.S. I read some e-mails that say that John Kerry gave a terrific speech today on Katrina/FEMA/etc.
The Skins/Cowboys game is still on.
The Giants beat the poor New Orleans Saints 27-10.
I’m glad the Saints won last week, but this week they messed with Joisey and got thumped.
Raw Story has the text.
Beyond terrific. I wonder where our country and it’s conventional wisdom would be if the cable news nets ran excerpts of this speech every hour on the hour for several days. And others like it. Won’t happen of course.
Someone should do a diary on the speech – I’ve GOT to get come actual work done and don’t have time. Any takers?
Janet, it was the day of the president’s speech in the republican convention that cnn put the SBV against kerry every 30 minutes. I timed it. the whole day it was like that until after he spoke…I was so nauseated, I could hardly work. Then there is the speaches bush gave as opposed to the real context of kerrys speaches..however, I can see why. :o( The cable news was trying hard to sway the public and they did it well.
My next question is will they still do this in the next elections? It will be interesting to watch for and compare, will it not????????
I hope you’ll write about it too .. i have a hunch you’ll have more to say.
exactly!
From the WaPo – Bush Official Arrested in Corruption Probe.
What’s sweet, to me, is that WaPo put the word “Bush” and the word “corruption” in the headline. Blogs have been ranting about the corruption of the Bush administration forever. Here’s Daou’s second side of the triangle – the MSM.
Tonight in class some of my students were going on about the cronyism and corruption revealed by Brown’s appointment to head FEMA. “Where were these so-called journalists when he was appointed?” they wanted to know.
Daou argues that it’s only when all three sides of the triangle are in place will we see real change.
Or as he puts it later in the article in the form of an equation:
netroots + media + party establishment = CW
We need that “conventional wisdom.” That “everybody knows.”
As in – everybody knows Bush and his cronies are corrupt.
What are we missing? Oh, right – the political establishment . . . .
Daou’s prescription? Keep up the pressure on the media and the party establishment to put their sides of the triangle in place. And then watch the conventional wisdom shift.
I like the concept of “conventional wisdom.” I think that is where most people (not bloggers) are in terms of their knowledge of politics. Sometimes we news junkies forget that and think that people actually hear/care about the bankrupcy bill, plame affair, etc.
But I can’t figure out if the media participate in creating conventional wisdom or simply react to what they think is conventional wisdom. For example, think about how they grabbed on to the idea that “cultural values” voters decided the election. That is an example of something that became conventional wisdom. But how did that happen?
that the media creates conventional wisdom. If they had just ignored the one or two pundits who put forward the “values voters” explanation for the results of the Nov elections instead of endlessly repeating it and elaborating on it, the average person would never have even heard of it. A few might have seen those particular pundits, but would have quickly forgotten it if other (more accurate) explanations had been explored in depth and at length. Instead it became a meme – conventional wisdom. Which is now shaping political strategy for the next elections – to our detriment, I think most would agree.
[I should say that I think values are extremely important, in general, and when looking at how people vote – or decide not to vote. However, the “values” that were identified by the media are not really the values that most Americans embrace. I firmly believe that the majority of Americans’ values are closer to progressive values than conservative ones. But the Democratic party isn’t grabbing onto this and running with it – hence the feeling of disgust and impending doom that many feel about the party.
This is why I’m a big Lakoff fan – his message is: Sit down and get very clear in our own minds about what OUR values are, and then shout them from the rooftops. Understand the power of words and how communication works in order to aggressively present OUR values to the American people, instead of being wimpily backed into a defensive “No we don’t hate America” corner by the right wing. This would be a) the moral thing to do, and b) a winning political strategy, because most Americans do, in fact, share our values – but they see no evidence that those are Democratic values. This is what I understand that he means by “framing,” not the manipulative word smithing that many (I think) misinterpret him to be saying. But I digress . . . .]
The question becomes, why do the media shape the conventional wisdom the way they do? No one reason, I think. Some consciously and purposefully try to shift the conventional wisdom to the right, but many I think are just spineless, inept, pseudo-journalists. They aren’t willing to do the work and take the risks required to actually get the truth out. They look only at their career trajectory which means attending first and foremost to the interests of those who sign their paychecks and give them a shot at more and more fame and power. Which means “entertainment news” that sells more ads and presenting nothing that threatens the hegemony of the rich elite in this country.
Spiderleaf’s new diary on Dan Rather is relevant. Poignant too.
Any attempt at trying to “triangulate” contemporary American structures of political influence leaves me a little skeptical, right now.
We have a situation where one political party, the Republican, has found a way to connect quite well with its base. The Republican politicians and commentators really do lead their supporters, refining the positions that people all the way down the line hold. There’s a dynamic there that the blogs contribute to, for the Republican leaders are always listening to, and responding to (and crassly manipulating, if I may throw that in) their supporters. The right-wing blogs, then, are part of a process, not creators of issues, so are not influential as shapers of public opinion, though they may be part of the apparatus for moving public opinion.
The situation on the Democratic side is not a parallel, however. The Democratic leaders, for the past five years at least, have not been the leaders of the liberal part of the population. Rather than dealing directly with the people (responding and–yes–manipulating), the Democrats rely on “strategizing” that takes them away from their base–something the Republicans never do. Between the Democrats in office and what should be their base, “the black telephone is cut off at the root” (my apologies to Sylvia Plath). There is no communication.
In a substantial fashion, the left-wing blogs are an attempt to force the Democratic party back onto a liberal, and not centrist, track. This is proving to be a long, slow process. But lack of success on particular issues is not a sign of lack of long-term influence and success.
he’s still missing something in that piece.
Blogs aren’t just part of the media, or part of the political parties, or some kind of morphing of mass-produced culture. He’s missing their real power.
Politics has always depended on conversations across the picket fence; between the pews before and after services; at the diner counter; on stools at the local pub. Conversation and ideas, no matter how simply expressed, bubble and propagate and spread and then one day a politician or advisor realizes he’s hearing this same thing over and over again, and he thinks: “hey, there’s something TO that.” The Republicans rose to power listening to one (winger) end of those conversations.
Blogs are a huge distributed version of that. They provide a way for people otherwise unheard in the national conversation to add their two cents. For too long, a few people in a few places in VT and IA have been listened to too closely. If politicians were smart, they’d realize there are a lot more people in here.
That’s the power. Amplified conversation, fermented debate … an incubator for culture and change. The danger presented by the bullying going on at kos is that some realize this, and they are trying to impose caucus-like discipline and structure into a medium that is strongest when it is least like a physical caucus, or a meet-and-greet at the local diner. The right has already done some of this, but do we really want to ape what that odious political movement does?
Daou is right about needing that convergence for it to move institutions, but he underestimates the ability to change the conversation.
precisely!