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   diane101 on October 15, 2005 at 6:42 pm

   http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/national/16miller.html
   Judy Miller’s story about testimony is posted, don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet.

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   sjct on October 15, 2005 at 6:47 pm

   I’ve been anxiously waiting for your take on the “Sunday” articles that were released tonight. My take is Judy has nailed Scooter to the wall on several counts while trying to appear not to be doing just that. Also, the Times editors are telling us that Judy is a difficult bitch but — on principle — they just had to support her. My fave part was her admitting, “I got it all wrong,” but, um, reporters are only as good as the sources they rely upon. My second fave comes from her story and trying to imagine Scooter dressed up like a cowboy. LOL!

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     Time Waits for no Woman on October 15, 2005 at 11:21 pm

     That is my impression from wading through the two stories a few times.  This is the part that caps it in my opinion:

     Judy says: “In my grand jury testimony, Mr. Fitzgerald repeatedly turned to the subject of how Mr. Libby handled classified information with me. He asked, for example, whether I had discussed my security status with Mr. Libby. During the Iraq war, the Pentagon had given me clearance to see secret information as part of my assignment “embedded” with a special military unit hunting for unconventional weapons.

     Mr. Fitzgerald asked if I had discussed classified information with Mr. Libby. I said I believed so, but could not be sure. He asked how Mr. Libby treated classified information. I said, Very carefully.”

     Judy says that Scooter divulged classified information to her.  Whatever security clearance she might have had in Iraq could not cover that.  If she had real security clearance, she was not really a reporter at all, but a government agent planted in the media.

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       Janet Strange on October 15, 2005 at 11:38 pm

       And Hunter’s take on it:

       From the article: Mr. Abrams said Mr. Tate also passed along some information about Mr. Libby’s grand jury testimony: that he had not told Ms. Miller the name or undercover status of Mr. Wilson’s wife.

       That raised a potential conflict for Ms. Miller. Did the references in her notes to “Valerie Flame” and “Victoria Wilson” suggest that she would have to contradict Mr. Libby’s account of their conversations? Ms. Miller said in an interview that she concluded that Mr. Tate was sending her a message that Mr. Libby did not want her to testify.

       Hunter: Now that’s really, really interesting. Miller was passed the information that Libby had said he had not told her the name or undercover status of Mr. Wilson’s wife. Miller took, from that, a message that Libby did not want her to talk.

       Why would she possibly conclude that, unless her testimony was going to directly conflict with his? If her testimony was corroborating the accuracy of his, she wouldn’t have taken that message to mean don’t testify, right? If Libby was being truthful about their conversation, he would welcome Miller’s testimony verifying his own. Miller, however, based on her recollections of the same conversations, concludes he wants the opposite.

       Think about that. Libby says “I never told Miller about Plame’s name or undercover status”. Miller takes that to be a clear message that “Libby wants me to not testify.”

       Wow. That’s pretty compelling evidence that Miller herself thought she couldn’t corroborate Libby’s simple statement.

       Libby is in deep, deep trouble here.

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   Mattes on October 15, 2005 at 8:19 pm

   Can’t wait for the Sunday Talking Heads Shows!

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   boran2 on October 15, 2005 at 8:37 pm

   Judging from the photo included at the top of the below thread I guess that we’ll have to rename this place the Boobman Tribune.
   http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/10/14/115845/46  

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     CabinGirl on October 15, 2005 at 10:24 pm

     Is this a complaint thread?  Who on earth would have posted such a risque photo? 😉

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       Teacher Toni on October 15, 2005 at 10:26 pm

       a pervert, that’s who!

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         CabinGirl on October 15, 2005 at 10:27 pm

         Where is Damnit Janet, anyway?

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       Andrew C White on October 15, 2005 at 11:11 pm

       Complaints are down the hall and to the right.

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         shycat on October 15, 2005 at 11:16 pm

         There’s a bathroom on the right.

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           Andrew C White on October 15, 2005 at 11:22 pm

           Credence Clearwater Revival. Gotta love it.

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           shycat on October 15, 2005 at 11:28 pm

           Showin my age!

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           Andrew C White on October 16, 2005 at 12:26 am

           Me and you both I guess.

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       Gooserock on October 16, 2005 at 1:56 am

       I’d have commented ambiguously ‘Gee that looks uncomfortable.’ 😉

       Puget4 reminds me “yes it IS.”

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   BrendaStewart on October 15, 2005 at 9:29 pm

   Since I read a diary the other day about the comparison of the now and then like back to 1973-74, I have read this artical today about something that reminds me of this…our special ops are now covert into Syria.  Does this remind you of Cambodia?  :o)

   What the hell, just thought I would mention this for thought.

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     Gooserock on October 16, 2005 at 1:51 am
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   Teacher Toni on October 15, 2005 at 10:25 pm

   I had lunch today with some co-workers.  I asked for all latest news.  It turns out my idiot principal is walking around the building listening to his I-Pod.  He is listening to all the same music that the students like.  It seems that it is more important for him to be cool than for him to do his job.  Sigh, I was just starting to miss work a little.

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   Andrew C White on October 15, 2005 at 11:09 pm

   White Sox win. Another complete game from the pitcher, Freddy Garcia this time. Another controversial call or two… shame really cuz it overshadows some great defense and greater pitching… as well as the fact that the Sox scored three runs in the first game before any of the rest of it happened.

   GO WHITE SOX!!!

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   Andrew C White on October 15, 2005 at 11:16 pm

   but what the hay there’s always a first time:

   http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/10/15/194525/35

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   boran2 on October 15, 2005 at 11:44 pm

   Now that Rove’s future is uncertain, is he going for that rock star thing?

   

   

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    catnip on October 16, 2005 at 12:12 am

    WaPo has a new, in-depth article about the Abramoff scandal if someone wants to take that on as a diary. So much corruption, so little time…

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      Chamonix1 on October 16, 2005 at 12:56 am

      Do you really think Judy has a deal and won’t be charged of any wrong doing? Did you read Tomorrows WP front page take on it? Libbys lawyer is looking like a real Ass about now.

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        Gooserock on October 16, 2005 at 1:54 am

        the civil rights era, Kent State, Watergate, and Iran Contra, I can say 2 things confidently:

        • Nothing resembling the truth will reach the electorate.
        • Nothing resembling justice will reach the perps.
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        catnip on October 16, 2005 at 2:14 am

        I just posted a diary about Miller.

        Look that way >>>

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    catnip on October 16, 2005 at 2:54 am

    Jesse Taylor at Pandagon says goodbye.