Hot off the AP wire:
WASHINGTON – Top White House aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby discussed their contacts with reporters about an undercover CIA officer in the days before her identity was published, the first known intersection between two central figures in the criminal leak investigation.
Rove told grand jurors it was possible he first heard in the White House that Valerie Plame, wife of Bush administration Joseph Wilson, worked for the CIA from Libby’s recounting of a conversation with a journalist, according to people familiar with his testimony.
They said Rove testified that his discussions with Libby before Plame’s CIA cover was blown were limited to information reporters had passed to them. Some evidence prosecutors have gathered conflicts with Libby’s account.
Hmmm…interesting twist. Rove spoke to Libby who talked about his conversation with a journalist? Judith Miller?
read on…
Patrick Fitzgerald must determine whether the contacts between the two men concerning Plame’s CIA work were part of an effort to undercut her husband’s criticism of the Iraq war or simply the trading of information and rumors that typically occurs inside the White House.
I vote for the undercutting angle.
The Rove-Libby contacts were confirmed to The Associated Press by people directly familiar with testimony the two witnesses gave before the grand jury. All spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of the proceedings.
Bring on the leaks!
During one of his grand jury appearances, Rove was shown testimony from Libby suggesting the two had discussed with each other information they had gotten about Wilson’s wife from reporters in early July 2003.
Rove responded that Libby’s testimony was consistent with his general recollection that he had first learned Wilson’s wife worked for the CIA from reporters or government officials who had talked with reporters.
Rove testified that he never intended any of his comments to reporters about Wilson’s wife to serve as confirmation of Plame’s identity. Rove “has always clearly left open that he first heard this information from Libby,” said one person directly familiar with Rove’s grand jury testimony.
Rove allegedly claimed he learned Plame’s name from “from reporters or government officials who had talked with reporters.” So, which is it, Rove?
The plot thickens.
Summary:
* Rove says he “probably” first heard about “Wilson’s wife” at some social gathering during spring 2003. He can’t remember.
* July 9, 2003 Novak tells Rove he’s writing an article that would reveal Plame worked at the CIA. Rove said he told Novak he’d heard the same information
* Rove told Libby about his conversation with Novak on July 11, 2003.
* Libby’s testimony, which had been shown to Rove, showed that “numerous journalists appeared to have learned about Plame’s identity in the period before her name was published”.
* Libby said that Rove had told him about Novak and that Libby’s information about “Wilson’s wife” had come from Tim Russert. Russert testified that he didn’t know anything until after Novak’s article appeared.
* prosecutors have evidence that rebuts Libby’s version. It shows that Libby called Russert and that Libby also initiated the call to Miller.
* Rove said he hadn’t previously testified about his conversation with Time’s Matt Cooper because he didn’t recall it until he and his lawyer suddenly found an e-mail he had sent to Stephen Hadley about the discussion. (Why was he e-mailing Hadley about it?)
Oh…what a tangled web we weave…
UPDATE: WaPo also has a story about this with additional details:
* “Rove has also testified that he also heard about Plame from someone else outside the White House, but could not recall who.”
* “Lawyers in the case have said Rove and Libby are the central focus of Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald”
* “John Hannah, an aide to Vice President Cheney and one of two dozen people questioned in the CIA leak case, has told friends in recent months he is worried he may be implicated by the investigation, according to two U.S. officials. It is not clear whether Hannah had any role in unmasking of Plame, or why he should fear Fitzgerald’s probe” (unless you do your homework, WaPo)
* “Novak has provided scant information about the person’s identity.”
God almighty! What a bunch of liars.
And who in the hell leaked this to both the AP and the WaPo? Rove’s attorney? One of Rove’s henchmen?
Also:
Libby’s testimony, which had been shown to Rove, showed that “numerous journalists appeared to have learned about Plame’s identity in the period before her name was published”.
Catnip, doesn’t it seem inappropriate that Karl Rove got to see Libby’s testimony? Grand jury testimony is secret, unless the participants choose to speak about it — I thought.
Thanks for that WaPo link. I pulled some quotes from their story.
Is this just damage control for Rove after the NY Daily News story about Bush being pissed off with him? I’d bet it is.
I don’t know who gets to see whose testimony. Paging lawyer types…
All I can say is that this is such a convoluted mess – no wonder it took Fitz two years to investigate it.
Really! If I were Fitz, my head would explode.
But they know these guys and gals are criminals … maybe they can keep it simple, and just find charges for each of them. That should be rather easy to accomplish, given all the testimony, evidence and flippers that they have.
We’ll be a better country for it. It sure helped our country to have Watergate, as Boo has pointed out so well.
-the more they stick it to each other the less work he has to do! I thought Rove was really poking Libby in the eye with a sharp stick here trying to put all the blame on Libby. Libby’s position is looking less and less defendable with his idiot aspen letter.
If these reports about Rove basically fingering Libby are accurate, I think King Karl will have to be looking over his shoulder in fear for the rest of his possibly foreshortened life.
Rove doesn’t remember when he first heard that Valerie Plame worked in the CIA, but it may have been in the Sping of 2003 as some dinner party or it may have been from Scooter Libby, or it may have been from a reporter.
Now, if her identity was a common topic of discussion going back all the way to the spring, then maybe Rove forget where he first heard it. But if her job was such a common wisdom common topic of discussion for months, then that raises totally different questions. I don’t believe this story anyway.
No jury is going to believe that Rove learned of Plame’s job in June and forgot how by August when he had reason to think about how he learned it.
And no one is going to believe that Miller has forgotten where she got Valerie Flame from. They are all going to look like they’re lying and the jury is going to savage them for it.
Democrats Question Bush – Rove Meeting on CIA Leak
By REUTERS
Published: October 19, 2005
Filed at 7:11 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Democrats asked the White House on Wednesday for details of President George W. Bush’s private conversations in 2003 with top political adviser Karl Rove after conflicting reports about whether Bush was aware of any role by Rove in the outing of a covert CIA operative. …
I really believe that you have to take every single one of the “leaks” with a grain of salt.
I bet that if we compiled all of the leaks that we have seen over time we would see that they all add up to subjects’, and more likely TARGETS’, lawyers leaking in an attempt to position their clients in the domain of public opinion.
Very few of these leaks give any real picture, and every single one of them has an angle of trying to make a thief look like he was holding an empty bag that someone else shlepped off on him.
The “leakers” will give you this little soundbyte in the testimony… BUT you never hear the question that PFITZ would most likely put to them after statements like these:
“Are you fucking this insane OR just that stupid that you expect me to believe this when I know “X” already?”
(Where X = conflicting evidence and statements)
And then, of course, the stammering even more illogical responses likely to be produced by “X”.
The game for us isn’t the supposed “news” in the leak… It is in how easy it is to figure out which defense lawyer leaked it most of the time. Then we have to figure out “Why?”
Ain’t it fun being on the ignorant side of the news filters? lol
This is so nerve-wracking. I’ve almost given up hope that anyone in the Bush administration will ever be held accountable for anything.
When I saw/heard Fitzgerald on a panel supporting the Patriot Act, he literally made my blood run cold. But I also got the feeling that he really does see himself as a defender of truth, justice and the American Way.
I really don’t know what to expect. Perhaps any indictments will be released at the same time Wilma makes landfall.
I predict that Wilma will make landfall by Saturday and that the worst will be over by Tues. I love a good frog marching song to start my Wednesdays don’t you? The Ants go marching one by one hurrah, hurrrah!!
Yes, Wednesday is a lovely day for frog marching.
Works well with the news cycle…
No wonder Fitz is taking his good old suspensful time. The more people he manages to flip, the clearer the picture. How in hell do you find the truth in the midst of so many professional liars? Rove and Libby are like Abbot and Costello with “Who’s on first?”