I’ve been snooping around the story that Time reporter, Viveca Novak, has been asked to give a deposition to Patrick Fitzgerald in the Valerie Plame case. And, via a July 31 2005 post at Reality-Based Educator, I found something interesting. It involves a Time magazine piece that Viveca Novak contributed to that was published that day. The article revealed something interesting that we have since come to learn more about.
Rove’s lawyer is Robert D. Luskin. I had assumed that this Time piece was sourcing Luskin from previous public statements. But perhaps Ms. Novak interviewed him for this article.
From the New York Times piece:
The request for Ms. Novak’s testimony is the first tangible sign in weeks that Mr. Fitzgerald has not completed his inquiry into Mr. Rove’s actions and may still be considering charges against him.
And this theory starts to come together as we look a little closer at the July 31st Time article:
Deputy Secretary Richard Armitage may have received a copy then too.
When Pincus’ article ran on June 12, the circle of senior officials who knew about the identity of Wilson’s wife expanded. “After Pincus,” a former intelligence officer says, “there was general discussion with the National Security Council and the White House and State Department and others” about Wilson’s trip and its origins. A source familiar with the memo says neither Powell nor Armitage spoke to the White House about it until after July 6. John McLaughlin, then deputy head of the CIA, confirms that the White House asked about the Wilson trip, but can’t remember exactly when. One thing he’s sure of, says McLaughlin, who has been interviewed by prosecutors, is that “we looked into it and found the facts of it, and passed it on.”
There is a lot of information in this snip, and we have learned a lot more details about this time period since last July. What concerns us now is how this article may have piqued Fitzgerald’s interest and led him to subpoena Ms. Novak to discuss her conversations with Rove’s lawyer.
Does it have something to do with Woodward’s revelation, or is this just tying the final bows on the Rove indictments? Or both? Interestingly, Ms. Novak co-wrote a piece on Woodward as recently as November 21st, but there is not too much of interest in it.
The night before Scooter Libby was indicted Bob Woodward appeared on Larry King Live and had this exchange with Michael Isikoff:
I talked to a source at the White House late this afternoon who told me that Bob is going to have a bombshell in tomorrow’s paper identifying the Mr. X source who is behind the whole thing. So, I don’t know, maybe this is Bob’s opportunity.
KING: Come clean.
WOODWARD: I wish I did have a bombshell. I don’t even have a firecracker. I’m sorry. In fact, I mean this tells you something about the atmosphere here. I got a call from somebody in the CIA saying he got a call from the best “New York Times” reporter on this saying exactly that I supposedly had a bombshell.
So, right before Fitzgerald indicted Libby on October 28th, someone started leaking heavily that Woodward had some hot information. Then, on November 1, the Washington Post gave an explanation for why Rove had not been indicted:
It seems highly likely that the ‘pause’ that Fitzgerald received was related to the leaks going around Washington that Woodward knew about a “Mr. X source who (was) behind the whole thing.”
Woodward claims that he first became concerned when, during Fitzgerald’s press conference, Scooter Libby was named as the first ‘known’ government official to leak Valerie Wilson’s employment to a member of the press. I submit that he first became concerned the night before when people from the CIA started calling him and saying things like “(I) got a call from the best “New York Times” reporter on this saying exactly that (you) supposedly had a bombshell.”
This sent a clear signal to Woodward that his little secret was up. In fact, I believe the signal was sent to Woodward a few days earlier and this led him to break down and confess his sins to Len Downie on or about October 24th.
Indeed, things are clearly not what they seem. It appears that Rove dropped a dime on Woodward’s source. Then he sent feelers out to Woodward by leaking all around town that Woodward has some big scoop. Woodward panicked and went to his editor, thinking that a subpoena was imminent. Then he went on Larry King the night before the indictments and sent the signal back that he would be a friendly witness by minimizing the importance of the investigation.
But I think Fitzgerald smells a rat. He’s bringing in Ms. Novak because he is now investigating Rove’s lawyer. He wants to know what Luskin was leaking to reporters. The Time piece says, “Ms. Novak had been asked to discuss conversations she had with Mr. Luskin, starting in May 2004, when she was covering the investigation.” But my guess is that the conversations that most interest Fitz occurred in October 2005.
I’m just passing through on my way to bed — had to get up to turn the heat up! it’s in the 20s here! — but when I saw your story, I realized I had to stop and look up this snippet of the transcript from this morning’s Meet The Press. it may not be central to your theses but the comments reflected consternation with Woodward, and the looks on the faces of David Broder and Eugene Robinson said a hell of a lot more than their words:
The last part is silly … but “the fact that we can’t understand why Bob did what he did” isn’t.
In Howie’s just-released “obit” of Woodward (thanks, Atrios), he mentions this little tidbit:
Downie concedes that months sometimes go by without any contact with Woodward, adding that they have now agreed to communicate more often. He says Woodward occasionally volunteers to break off from his book research to produce news stories for The Post, especially with material too timely to be held, and sometimes does so at Downie’s request. In fact, it was when Downie asked Woodward to work on the CIA leak case last month that the reporter acknowledged that a senior administration official had told him in 2003 that Valerie Plame, the wife of White House critic Joseph Wilson, worked for the CIA.
According to the Post today, Woodward spilled the beans only when prompted to work the actual story by Downie. Woodward was holding onto his ace, in other words, until he was specifically asked and promptly submitted the info. That would explain Downie standing by him in the whole matter; after all, Downie knew the drill. Woodward doesn’t talk unless he’s ready, or his editors get the scoop from an independant source.
Woodward’s been playing Deep Throat ever since Watergate. Why not? He created the monster.
Thanks for the interesting link to the WaPo. I agree; it may very well be his obituary. Some juicy tidbits in there that I found very telling of what’s going in side the WaPo these days(emphases mine):
No, do you think? Reading between the lines, this is a staff ready to explode. And the editor allowed this to be printed! Does that reflect dissent in the editorial board, or an attempt to let the rest of the staff blow off some steam before the situation totally spins out of control? I commented a few weeks ago that they would have to fire Woodward for insubordination, or the rest of the staff would take it as a license for rebellion.
Apparently the editors tried to allow Bob a pass based on his “special relationship” with the paper, but the rest of the staff ain’t buying it. Bob’s “favored-child” status has apparently been a source of simmering dissent in the ranks:
I’ve served as a first-line supervisor in various jobs over the years, and the tone of this story has all my alarm bells and whistles going off. They’ve got a major staff resentment situation going on because they didn’t bite the bullet and fire Woodward for insubordination at the git-go. Now they have a real food-fight going on. They can solve it by either Woodward leaving, or the rest of the staff will be carpeting the street with resumes. Now the editors have to pick their poison.
Yeah, and George McGovern backed Tom Eagleton “1000%” until the day he dumped him from the ticket as his VP.
Like McGovern, he’s signaling he’ll “accept his resignation with regret,” allowing all parties to save some face.
It just goes on and on (like this comment):
Puzzled? Try infuriated!
He’s as disconnected from the effects of his behavior as the Bushistas he covers! Is it something in the water supply in the White House?
The piece interestingly shifts gears in mid-piece, going from an attack to a defense of Woodward – one wonders if the editors demanded the “balance” be added before they’d give the piece their imprimatur.
So good it could be a diary all by itself.
I’m flaggerghasted Woodward doesn’t take unpaid leave while he writes his books! WaPo actually pays him to make money for himself and Simon and Schuster! What a sweetheart deal; wish someone would pay me to kinda, sorta work for them whenever I feel like it.
Ossification.
Woodward is on staff, being paid whatever (even if it’s Guild standard), and thus taking up space and money that could be used to hire one or even two bright, energetic, driven young reporters. Reporters who might actually turn out real journalism for the WaPo.
I think you analysis of extreme resentment is right on.
that show and entering that discussion while he was part of the story. On the show he called Fitzgerald a “junk-yard dog” and later explained that it was a compliment. In context, it did not sound like one, it was said in a disparaging tone.
What a phoney, awe-struck, Bush suck-up he turned out to be.
Has anyone speculated that Woodward’s source might be Bush himself? This seems to me a possible reason (beyond arrogance, Republican sympathies, etc.) for Woodward’s silence.
I specualted that last week when all this was going down. Woodward has had unlimited acces to Bush for his books. Dubya may have not even realised what he was saying to Booby or it’s importance at the time. I have reached a point that I don’t care anymore WHO it is just.Anyone that leaked Plame’s name and status as a CIA operative should be prosecuted for Treason…period. Of course in my fantasy it is CHeney/Rove/Libby. I will always believe Bush is just the puppet in all this.
I think it’s entirely possible, for many of the reasons Alohaleezy says, above. Bush is just arrogant and unthinking enough about conequences to others to have done something like that.
if Jason Leopold in his reporting at truthout.org is right, we could have more than leftover turkey fixings this week.
Jason reports Fitz will present new evidence this week that Rove lied. Hadley isn’t off the hook. A detailed peice makes interesting read.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/112805Z.shtml
Interesting piece, but a pretty big inconsistency within it –
First:
But then:
So which is it? Did he know she was undercover or not? Is the reporter just guessing that he knew she was undercover or does he have a separate source that leads him to this conclusion?
Damn I miss editors.
It could also be careful wording by the author.
In the first graf, his source may be talking about the early leaks in mid to late June before the Wilson op-ed. In those leaks, it is likely that Rove et al., were telling reporters in a “gossipy” way that Wilson’s wife works at the CIA (they probably didn’t even mention her first name or her maiden name).
Later, during the Get Wilson phase in mid-July (and when most of the “official” leaks were made by Rove and Libby), they were probably not offering information to reporters, merely confirming it, (a la Rove’s reported “I heard that too” in response to Cooper’s inquiry). Those inquiries may have included language that indicated that Plame was covert. But Rove and Libby may have been merely the messengers, covering up for their source (who may or may not be the mysterious Mr. X for Woodward).
My point is, in order to be prosecuted under IIPA, you must a)have authorized access to classified info that would name the agent in question, b)willfully use that authorized access to obtain said information, and c)unlawfully leak this information to those not authorized to know.
I’m not sure Rove and Libby were authorized to know that Plame was NOC, therefore they cannot be prosecuted under IIPA. Someone else leaked that info to them. Unfortunately, I don’t think IIPA provides an avenue for prosecution if an unauthorized agent finds out the covert idendity of an operative and then proceeds to leak that identity (which is probably what Libby and Rove did). The Espionage act does however, but that’s a dangerous sword to wield. Other remedies include civil prosecutions and whatever sanctions the non-disclosure agreement that all WH employees sign wrt classified information permit.
In essence, Rove and Libby are obfuscating and covering up for the real leakers (and at the same time trying to limit their criminal liability under espionage act), and that’s why Fitz is pushing them on obstruction, perjury and false statements charges. He wants to get the REAL leaker (and I’d be willing to bet so does the CIA).
if rove’s lawyer told fitzgerald about woodward then he told him about woodward’s sources, because Rove would have known who it was who told woodward to know about plame. and if fitzgerald corroborates that any of these sources is the same one who told Bob Novak about Plame, that fella is going down.
the most logical explaination is a conspiracy of rove, libby and woodward’s sources to out Plame. which is just what joe wilson said over two years ago.
…while I’ve been hashing out the niceties of IIPA vs. espionage vs. other prosecutorial avenues for Libby and Rove (see commment above).
This is complicated stuff. Even high-level WH officials wouldn’t know exactly what they could and could not say regarding Plame once they knew she was covert (which should be about Jun. 12th or so according to the indictment, when Cheney tells Libby).
Some lawyer had to have advised Rove and Libby how to proceed with the leaks so as to limit their criminal liability. The logical choice would be the WH counsel in order to keep this stuff inside. (or perhaps David Addington, Cheney’s counsel).
At that time, Abu Gonzales was WH counsel. Interestingly enough, he also was the first one tipped off to the FBI’s investigation of the leak by someone at DoJ (Ashcroft, maybe?) and we have the famous 12-hour gap before Gonzales advised the WH staff to preserve all information regarding the leak for the FBI. (though supposedly he also told Card immediately after learning about this from DoJ)
Could Gonzales himself have been “cleaning house” that night, purging his files of any legal opinions regarding what Rove and Libby could or could not say wrt Plame? Were he and Andy Card erasing any evidence of high-level meetings so as to not open up the “conspiracy” can of worms?
As far as I know Gonzales has not spoken with Fitz or the GJ, but should he? I understand that he could probably cite attorney-client privelege or executive privelege to stonewall, but have the WH logs regarding his in and outs of the day he was notified by DoJ been subpoenaed?
In other words, is there any evidence that he might have been at the WH late that night “cleaning house”? And if so, can he give a plausible alibi as to why he would be there? This might be an interesting angle of attack.