The uncensored, caution rated, true story of how it all began
There’s a story about Diane and I. And I want to share at least an important part of MY version of it.
I was a member on dkos for about a year (user # 28972) when BooMan started up the Frog Pond. I jumped right over here and signed up, with user number 73. I usually read what was offered at BMT every day. I didn’t comment much and I didn’t post diaries. Heck, until I started the Adopted Daughter series on dk, I didn’t post diaries there either.
When I capriciously decided to cross post the last few installments of that adoption series (and it really was on a whim) on BMT, Diane101 was all over it and asking me questions. She drug me by the nape of the neck to the Tribune and told me to post diaries on “this” or “That”. . .we emailed, we IM’d, and then we started telephoning over the Internet. In my thought process this was about a 2 or 3 week process. Diane tells me it was 4 days. She is most likely correct, since I have a bit of a problem connecting to time spans of any size. Shirl of the Stars spends quite a bit of time in those Stars. . .
We had an immediate and profound connection that is spiritual in nature, but all encompassing in reality.
We are of the same age group, although she is much younger (and older) at 62.
When we talk we spend a great deal of the time laughing. Sometimes she even lets me talk too.
My strong points are not her strong points, for the most part. Her strong points are decidedly not my strong points for sure.
She is details, direct, honest, common sense, practical, organization and a person of immediate action. I am dreamer, a believer in the magical, mystical and miraculous, very Large concepts, limitless and don’t believe in “can’t.”
No one has ever been able to tell me what to do, even the hints of such cause me to dig my heels in.
Diane tells me what to do all the time and somehow it seems perfectly fine. An occasional query by me, but generally I comply.
Therefore, Diane is magic. You can see how that follows, can’t you? Nobody tells me what to do or how to do it !!
When she came up with the Froggy Bottom Cafe idea at BMT, I knew she was brilliant! See, an unerring sense of what people will connect with. Wish I had thought of that.
Diane constantly pushes me. . .and I am a person that sometimes needs a push.
She can say in two short paragraphs what it takes me a full page to relate. That will not change.
She told me we were going to create HER website Village Blue, and somehow I said sure and we did.
She told me I was going to create my own web site, Matters of Spirit and I said sure and I did.
She says, about 3 or 4 times a day, “Shirl, why don’t you write a diary about. . . . ? or What do you think about this?” She gives me a topic, they are always great topics, so I almost always say. . .”Okay.”
I ask her for practical advice on everyday type of things all the time. She gives me great advice and lots of encouragement.
She asks me for less practical more esoteric advice (see how smart she is) and I share what I have. . .she goes with it.
We have an amazing friendship, a kinship of souls, and a great partnership. And yes we know how to disagree quite passionately, but somehow it always ends up with both of us laughing and saying on this one thing, we just disagree. (Diane is a more moderate liberal and I am the ultimate bleeding heart radical socialist liberal. You can see how we might disagree at times. . .[Big Smile])
There are quite a few things I defer to Diane on, because she has such an unerring ability to know what other people will respond to. I do not always have that insight myself. I almost always at least ask her if she is sure. She is sure and she is right. It would be stupid not to pay attention to that.
We are two very strong and opinionated women. We are both ALWAYS RIGHT! And we make a perfect team. We met a few months ago (April, 2005) and have known each other forever.
Diane would tell you this story a bit differently and certainly in about two sentences. The longer version I will write for myself, for my own personal enjoyment, and let this bare bones (for me) telling be the official one. Which she will no doubt comment on and correct anything she sees as not exactly how it is or was.
It is difficult for me to restrain from expressing my love and appreciation for this amazing friend/sister/angel woman that I have been connected to since before time began. So I hope not to embarass her, and I hope you all will forgive me for not being less “gushy” in my unending admiration and praise for her.
I have a hard time refraining from gushing over each of you as well. You know how that LOVE thing is. And it sure is at work here on the Frog Pond, and many other places that we meet. I appreciate you cutting me some slack, and letting me spread the love all over the place. Gonna do it any way. . .so nice to have no obstacles for that.
[Ed: You will note in the painting the shorter of the two women, on the right, would be Diane pointing out to me that there is something I should do with the items in the basket. . .eh hem. . .and you will also note that I am carrying the biggest basket, that certainly is no happenstance either. LOL]
I would love to hear any of your stories about Diane. . .and lordy, I know there are some out there!!
So give it up and add to the myth and stature of one of our favorite Tribbers.
Because of all the nostalgia with remembering when, and the great fun of Welcome Wagon bios of recent days, I thought this might also fit in to the mood and view points of Pond-ers here.
Hope you will share your own stories about Diane as well. And certainly make any comments you wish.
[And no, there is nothing more than a fabulous friendship and working partnership between Diane and I. It is just perfect the way it is.)
and it was a very froggy night, this person made a bet with the I-Pig about some people being out on their keesters by a certain date…..; )
The Time is Near…..
LMAO…just could’nt resist this one…; )
Love the story Shirl, and I’ll watch for the other side of the story…peace be with you always lady..
Ah, another one of those LOVE OF MY LIFE, Mr. IPig. . .you know how much I love you gator man. And yes, she suckered me into that bet too. . .so I guess I am going to have to pay up. . .I should know better by now. When she says it, she pretty much knows it.
Lovely to feel your sweet energy at the Pond. My fondest hope is all is the very best for you always.
hugs, hugs, hugs, and more
Shirl
Good evening Sir,
always a pleasure to find you at the pond.
So there you are Infi..thanks for bringing our little bet up…looks like I will lose contrary to what Shirl says, but it’s coming, and for all those who are curious it was my prediction that the Prez, would be brought up on impeachment charges by Dec. 21 of this year.
Fingers crossed everyone!!!!
What a beautiful story Shils. Ah Diane…in the beginning(I think neocon diary/comment days, she and I went at it. She stayed strong to her belief and I to mine. Both feet firmly planted. The amazing thing is Diane was able to accept that and not try to change me or my beliefs. She wanted us to just agree to disagree. We have exchanged emails a few times, mostly initiated by Diane. Sometimes wondering if I was okay after a heated debate here or sometimes to tell me to go fix that “3” I just accidently gave someone. We talked on the phone once. She has a sweet and calming voice. I love her to death.
There is nothing in the world to compare to a dear friendship/soulmate relationship. I have a friend that I can tell anything, call when I am lonely, spend endless hours together just giggling over silly things. We can be dead serious and try to figure out how to change the world or just sit quietly at the beach starring out into the beauty. We have been friends for thirty years and I will love her always.
Aloha, thank you for your kind words, and the feelings are mutual, I just love you too, and feel like you are a part of my family.
You are so lucky to have that lifelong friend, I really didn’t have such a close friend for many years and now I have one I’ve never even met in person. It sure does help manuevering through this life to have someone to share thoughts and feelings with.
Love and hugs to you, dear friend…
Pretty hard not to love Diane, Mz Leezy. She has an amazing ability to deal with all types of people in all types of situations.
Wonderful when you are blessed with such a long and perfect friendship like the one you and your friend share. May it ever be so for the two of you.
Sounds like sisters to me Shirl :o)
Almost twins how you compliment one another.
I have to ask though, in the picture you’re the tall one right? ;o)
All I know about Diane is she is the perfect ambassador for the rest of us. She is the epitome of how to welcome, with open arms. I’m one of many who’ve been welcomed here by her and left no doubt in my mind that here is where I wanted to hang my hat :o)
The only thing I try to keep in mind when talking to her is to refrain from cussing. She doesn’t care for it and it’d be disrespectful of me to talk to her that way.
That’s all.
Thanks
No I am the taller, even tho she tops 6 feet, and I am merely 5’6″ I think I am the tallest.
I am a little embarrassed at this invitation to ‘talk about Diane fest ‘but I did get a good laugh seeing this up here today.that darned Shirl..be sure to read my take on the whole deal in my just posted diary.
I always do get a chuckle when I read something about ‘Diane and her disdain for cussing’, seems like that has stuck in a lot of people’s minds, even tho I only said it a few times, really I did…lol.
Chocolate Ink was afraid to email me because of that, afraid she might slip…lol.
Not that I have never used let’s say more colorful language, I sure have, but as some point, probably due to kids and a stint as a Nanny, I gave it up…
BTW I have a daughter 30 who never has sworn in her entire life, seems she decided when she was little…
Thanks for your kind words about me super, now go and say some nice things about Shirley in my diary, I know you have loads of them..
Diane, you are both Statuesqe to me ;o)
Diane, I apologize in advance for my cussing. It’s gonna happen, and I tend to just roll with it. I’m not so good in the self-editing department these days, ya know? π
< Phew, made it with no swear words in the above. >
I am the tallest! I am the tallest, I am the tallest! I am 6′ tall 210 lbs, and honey that is a lot of angel woman to deal with!
You short folks crack me up, always tall-wanna-be-s!
Yes we are sisters, friends, family of the highest order. If Twins are oposites then yes even twins. She hasn’t cured me of cussing yet. . .Heh, maybe that’s what keeps her hanging around.
when souls collide, in such seemingly random ways sometimes, and it feels like there has been no day in-between… even when you first meet. You just know… My friendships like that blow me away to this day still.
We met a few months ago, and have known each other forever. Shirlstars, THAT is a perfect phrase. Absolutely beautiful. You are about to enter my quote book, thank you.
I’m so happy you and Diane have the relationship that you do… and that you share it here and elsewhere. It’s a powerful thing.
it is great, isn’t it. And I love your phrase “when souls collide” I will be wanting to borrow it.
Thanks sherm
My mother used to tell me a story about “Split-aparts”.
From what I can remember roughly…(the short version)
At the beginning of time we were all one. Something or another was torn asunder…and our souls split apart, destined to walk the earth in search of our other half.
I have taken to assume that that particular story was never gender-bound, or sexually related at all. That was the impression that was given to me by my mother. Sometime I will have to post that story….
I have always thought that you two were “Split-apart”. You two wonderful people always remind of that story!
(Now you guys are gonna make me call my Mommy to tell me a story)
π
Wow cake! So great to see you here! Missed seeing you the past months. Your mother is a very wise woman. I like her version of the story better than many others I have heard. I have my own version that I may tell sometime.
Hey, how bad could anything be that gets you to call your mommy for a story? Sounds perfect to me.
Really, really great to see you posting here. Hope you will hang around with us a little more if you want to or have the time.
Big, big hugs,
Shirl
(Jumping up and down for joy!)
OOhhhhh!! Tell us a story!!! Pleeeeeaaaassseee!!! π
And here I thought I had the monopoly on that story! π
Yeah I know…I should definitely be around more…I keep promising Manny that I will write a diary about what’s been going on in my lil ole world lately…just need to work up some courage!
glad to hear that I am remembered…seriously…it does my heart a world of good right now. π
but I’m a patient guy. I await your UID in the Recent Diary list π
Cake, who could forget you with a name like that, of course you are not forgotten…I am so glad to see your name back on these pages again..I remember when you arrived here in the Welcome Wagon diaries.
Yeah that name can be one that kinda sticks in the mind I suppose! π
EEEKkk! I have been spotted!
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Shirl, Wonderful story of how you two came together through the magic of the wonder of the internet. Thanks for sharing it. I’ve not yet found this kind of friendship but I so happy for both of you.
Well, I should really start using preview again but you get the idea. Ughh.
The magic of the Internet!
You never know boran2, they could be just beyond the next star. . .so keep looking up at the stars. . .
I met my husband in the middle of an internet shitstorm bout 7 years ago: he came in and said:
“let me know when you’re done burning the witch!”
Ah, the magic of the Internet! Sounds like you two had an interesting start.
Never a dull moment. When it happens in real life, he just stands there chuckling and says, “ha, ha, ha, she’s a pistol isn’t she?” π
Beautiful.
That’s all.
π
Shy, I sure hope things are going better for you. I have missed you around here. It is good to see you popping up now. IF you need anything, you know you can always email me, it’s in my shirlstars ID line at the bottom. . .
Yeah, it is the sort of thing that makes you wonder why you are so blessed.
wonderful painting. Ah, gee, and I am NOT sentimental.
Time Waits, Shhhhhhhhh. . .it will be our little secret, you old softie you. . . .Yes, a great painting. Diane found it. She has such an ability for picking great art work.
That’s a nice touch to your story too that Diane found the painting…
And of course you know, that I have the story that’s within the painting:
Diane says, “Shirl let’s get off our lazy butts and go for a walk on the beach.” I happen to think this is a grand idea. So off we go. But then she starts with the baskets thing. . .”you carry one and I’ll carry this little one,” she says, then adds, “we’ll pick some flowers and gather some shells.” Since my ever so stylish outfit has no pockets, I can see that the basket will hold a lot of shells and rocks that I will be picking up.
Then she insists that I walk on the far side of the water because she knows if I get any closer to it I will be running head-long into the waves, whooping and hollering every bounding step I take.
She is much too much of a lady for that type of display. She is telling me all along our walk that I will spoil the whole look if I come bedragled and dripping out of the water with seaweed wrapped around my leg.
That’s all it took. The seaweed! Off I went plunging head first into the breakers just after this pleasant picture perfect moment was captured on canvas. When I came up out of the water running towards her she screamed, “Don’t Shirl. . .you’ll get me all wet and my beautiful outfit will be spoiled.” Too late!! Heheheh! Laughing and screaming all the way I carry her over my shoulder and into the water to douse her good. Some nonsense about her not able to swim any more. . .yeah, I am so sure. . .but. . .I am a life guard, after all.
Yep, that’s how it happened in my tale of two strong women.
I hate to break up your reverie, but I did not pick that pic…lol ..I had a little problem with it remember and I had to make it darker to satisfy my esthetics….geeshc, see everyone she has these memory problems for sure.
Thing was the pic. reminded me of one over my bed in a very bad hospital stay and the pic just drove me crazy for a week and even had nightmares about it, I wanted to cover it up but there was no way and it was screwed to the wall….something about the colors…
WOW! You mean I found it? Great job Shirl!!!
You usually always find the really good ones, so it just seemed that you were the one. Been a lot of pictures picked between now and then.
What a wonderful piece, Shirl. I think of you and Diane as the “better angels” of this place – or maybe like the sirens, luring us in. . . it is delightful to know of your friendship
Oh! I think Diane and I both would like to be thought of as the sirens who lure you all in. . .fabulous word picture that is!
I see Diane getting out her fishnet stockings as we speak! Have no doubt the place would be packed with men if she did. . .Guess I am the balancing influence luring in the bright, fun, well written, well spoken and beautiful women here. . .(wonder how that works. . .heh! It’s that nurturing thing, I think, people always want to take care of me. . .it’s for sure it is obvious there is no “responsible adult” present. . . .giggles. . . .;o)
about people, even those of us who seldom say what others want to hear. π
And you dear Ductape, go out of your way to say the things some do not want to hear, but you do it anyway and that is to your credit.
Saying nice things about people π
Ductape, you just about always say what I want to hear… π
I made in the offensive food thread! π
Indeed she does! But you know, Ductape, Diane and I both always look for your posts and find what you have to say of value and interest. We may not always agree, but we sure as heck appreciate your voice here.
And now look. She has you doing it too. Maybe it is a communicable condition. π
It is communicable and it’s called positive reinforcement….works very well with children also…when someone says something nice to you, makes you just want to pass it on, does it not.
Ahhh… Reminds me of my teaching days… One critical comment always needed five positive ones to displace the negative one… True for adults as well.
I remember the Adopted Daughter series! I’m so glad you decided to post it here, and that you’ve been hanging around the pond more lately, Shirl. I missed your “voice”!
I think it’s wonderful that you two have become such good friends. I swear, Diane and I have led parallel lives in many ways…we have quite a bit in common, don’t we, D? π
Aye, Cabin Girl, that we do, have many things in common and you are one of the dear people I call friend now, you know that right…and you are living in my cabin dream house.
Seems like I have know you forever, has it only been months.
It is so nice to be missed. And you know, I kept every one of the comments on that series too. Heh! anytime I get to thinking things are not going quite right, I just browse through those comments and come out feeling like a million bucks. God! What an ego trip!!! You all were so incredibly kind and encouraging to me. That was when I stopped being afraid to speak up and post whatever I wanted on the orange site.
Now look what’s become of me. . .just can’t shut me up.
It has been a little tricky attempting to post very often on my own site, and Village Blue, and here as well as the other sites that so very graciously asked me to front page for them (very occaisionally is all that I can manage). . .and. . .spend the amount of time star traveling as I do. But I will do my best to be a more frequent contributor here. I always read here, but don’t always have time for my damn wordy comments.
Let’s see, I think there’s a lesson in that somewhere. . . . . . . . .
the best and a complete inspiration.
You both have such love in your hearts and runnning through your veins that it puts me not only in awe, but always brings me back to what is real.
I have nothing else to say… women both who are strong, proud, wise and my sisters.
(okay, maybe I did have one last thing to say…) π
Sisters indeed! So glad that we can splash in the pond together. Your words are very kind and much appreciated.
And I am always glad that you have one last thing to say ;o)
Big hugerooos
Shirl
It’s been really nice to see your own blogs develop, but I admit to being jealous of them because they steal you guys away from here too much. The best thing about these last few days at the pond has been seeing both of your names here again and again. That’s the way things ought to be all the time!!!
Now I’m off to read Diane’s diary. . .see ya there.
Hi Kansas….I understand your feelings about our blogs, but do you want to see this mushiness on the site all the time…cause our sites are mostly all about the spiritual, the love and many non political topics, that just don’t all fit on this site…
The reason why I have not posted that much is that I am shying away from so much political stuff as it gets to be too much to live in all the time..and I don’t always have much to say…I go in spurts, but when I see a need for words I do try to step in and provide some.
I am writing “my life story” on Village Blue, one chapter at a time for anyone who cares to can go and read there and start writing their own life story as well, which I/we encourage…Shirl has already written a big part of her life story and I am playing catch up.
sorry, Diane, she’s right. This blog is better when you and Shirl contribute regularly. Because it’s not just politics…if it were I would mostly be a lurker. You and Shirl are right at the heart of why I am here and why I come back every day. So there.
Ok, Laura, we have heard and will be more attentive to this site…ok. BTw I lova you….
Yay!
You guys aren’t mushy all the time. π But,like CabinGirl says below, I love this touchy-feely place and you guys ARE a huge reason it is what it is.
Well, thank you for thinking so. Really it is the community effort, as you well know. And if our sometimes “over the top” love fests helps that effort, we could not ask for anything more.
[and it is a darn good thing you all aren’t privy to the phone conversations Diane and I have. . .we even start to make ourselves sick with the loving sweetness of it all. . . .LOL. . .we will both make a greater effort to be seen and heard here. . .and dominate as many conversations as we can. . .hehhehheh!]
Hugs Kansas
and thank you
Shirl
Mushiness, heh. I love this touchy-feely blog. And you and Shirl have been HUGE contrbutors to that.
Okie doakie then, I have you marked down as one who can take much more touchy feely than previously supposed.
Heh! if it gets to be too much, just tell me to back off.
Hugs CabinGirl
Shirl
((((((Shirl)))))
I don’t have a specific memory to share, but I will say this: diane can always be counted on to help the community steer its way forward. When times get tense, or we need a reminder on the human side of our issues, Diane is always there. I obviously missed some type of dustup over the weekend (thank Flying Spaghetti Monster), but here she (and shirl and others) are working to make sure we all remember that we are community first, and in my opinion that’s what makes this site stand out from the rest.
You hit on something important here, imo, Manny. Memory is more than a link to the past. It’s “remembering who we are” in this moment. And the next one and the next one. With their series of diaries, Diane and Shirl have snapped us awake to the memory of who we are and who we want to be. It’s also what we long for the Dems to do, and I say that in all seriousness. Please, may Dems, and for that matter Republicans and those of any or no affiliation, “remember” our better selves. Memory is all about Now, too.
What a beautiful story, Shirl. What a beautiful relationship.
I especially love the comment – different opinions and both are right. So true ;^)
WOW DMC! I don’t think you and I have had a chat since those very nice things you said in the adoption series over a the orange place. I’ve seen you around here, but just haven’t had the opportunity to jump in and chat with you.
And it is for sure that we have different opinions on some things and it is for sure that we BOTH are always right! Both feet planted firmly, a look of steely determination in our eyes, voices increasing in volume. . . . .yep, no quarter given, not one inch. This is when we seem to burst out laughing and laugh till our sides ache. I think Diane is the mediator here. We agree to disagree and accept that we both are right (but Diane does tend to mumble a bit under her breath. . .hmmmm)
Great to have you comment here DMC.
Hugs
Shirl
Dropping in late here and there…posted my comment to both of you on Diane’s diary!
There is no way to describe how you two have touched my life…words are so inadequate.
I’ll see Shirl for the hugs…could be as early is June ’06! And I am short at 5’6″!
Just hugs and smoochies for now!
Exactly how I feel about you Sally and my inability to find adequate words to express it.
Hugs and stardust in your eyes
Shirl
Awesome diary!!! Have been surfing around and trying to find more examples of stong women (in history) who really acted and made a difference in the way things are–sometimes I get too curious re: things, especially w/all the info available.
Love reading diaries re: strong women. Subject definitely ignored by too many people.
Too curious? Hmmmm, imo it is just not possible to be too curious. Following that curiosity and everywhere it leads for sure can tend to distract us from other things we are “supposed” to be doing. . .geeze. . .that sounds like every day of my life so far.
Good to see you Kid. Still anticipating your story that some will find hard to believe but I know is just exactly true.
Hugs
Shirl
Thursday sometime…today has been a bit nuts for me!!!!
I’m thinking about Tracy and what an example she is of what a strong woman is. In this place habitated by so many strong women, I am inclined through my personal prejudice ;o) to lift her upon a small pedestal.
(habitated) huh?
inhabited