I haven’t said anything about the current controversy because I really didn’t feel I had anything particularly novel to say about the issue. However, having seen some of the comments in the threads here that discussed this issue, I’ve felt the need to say something, even something not especially original, in an attempt to bring this issue some perspective.
In many ways my attitude is a pox on all houses. The Danish newspaper should have used half a brain and made the decision not to run the cartoons. In my view, The newspaper certainly didn’t need to play into religious and racial stereotypes by publishing these caricatures, particularly when the world is filled with enough hatred and fanaticism. Such cartoons only inflame the worst passions of those on the extremes, while ignoring the vast majority of people who believe tolerance and respect and simple human courtesy are values that all people should practice on an everyday basis.
Nonetheless, they did, as they had the legal right to do. Should they apologize and retract their acceptance of bigoted messages represented by the cartoons? Yes, they should. Should they be forced to do so? No they should not. If free speech means anything, it means the right to out yourself as a stupid, racist asshole, and in many respects I consider what they did a service. The Danish people now know where the publishers stand, and I hope they will ignore the hateful messages broadcast by these idiots by boycotting this paper.
That said . . .
I have little tolerance for those who would react to these cartoons with violence. The cartoonists insulted the Prophet Mohammed, and the religion of Islam, yes. But one of my values is non-violence. Insults do not harm individuals, do not kill innocent people, orphan children, rape women or destroy homes. Violence in response to a mere insult, however is capable of accomplishing all of those acts. Those who engage in violent acts in response to these cartoons only perpetuate the myth that all Muslims are dangerous fanatics in the minds of those already susceptible to easy generalizations. A valid response would have been non-violent demonstrations. That would have earned the rest of the world’s sympathy and my support.
Now to the hard part, at least for me. One of these cartoons was posted on this site, and the term “fascism” and Islamofascism” were used to describe those who have engaged in the violence. I disagree with both the re-publication of that image, and the use of the label “fascism” to describe the rioters.
If the decison was mine, I would not have re-posted that image, nor used a misleading (to my mind) label. Call the rioters criminals, a mob, what have you, but calling them fascists distorts the nature of what is occurring. These are people whose passions are inflamed by dishonest and dishonorable opportunists, both in Europe and across the Muslim world, but that doesn’t make it fascism to me.
I don’t have the authority to censor what others post here or say here, nor would I want that power. Nor do I want to initiate an argument with those who may feel differently about this matter than I do. But, I felt that those who contribute to this site, whether by posting diaries, commenting or merely reading deserve to know what I feel about this issue.
If I had posted the diary in question, I would remove the image of the offensive cartoon, and I would modify my language to remove the term “fascist” or “Islamofascist” from the front page story which used those terms. I don’t feel they are appropriate. But that must be the decision of those who posted those stories in the first place. I encourage them to do so, not in order to censor what they have to say, but out of a genuine desire to demonstrate respect and tolerance for those who have been offended by the image posted and the remarks made. We have enough anger and upset in the world, in my view.
A-frigging-men.
Steven, I salute you.
Second. You too RH. For standing up and speaking.
Peace
I see “W” stickers on cars all the time and the eveel genie inside of me always thinks about ramming their car with mine… causing an indredible fire bomb on the highway. Like something you’d see from the movie Lethal Weapon 1 2 or 3.
But I don’t do it. I don’t even flip them off… all the time.
I have a hard time with this whole freedom of speech stuff because… hell I’m worried about attending an upcoming protest where in all liklihood I’m going to be arrested for holding a sign… and it won’t even have my usual cuss words on it OR for wearing a t-shirt.
America… land of “free speech ZONES” and really really tense people.
But in all seriousness, (sorry – my survivor instilled humor is my meager way of trying to come to grips and cope when people I care about are hurting, fighting… so please don’t be offended) I’m so glad you wrote this StevenD. So very glad indeed!
I think Steven’s key point is that just because the reaction to the cartoons was unjustified does mean the decision to publish the cartoons was justified. Two wrongs, nobody’s right.
Whoops–does not mean the decision to publish the cartoons was justified.
Gosh DJ I thought I was the only one who struggled with that one.
in October 2004 I was stuck in a traffic jam on Main Line Ave. here in Philadelphia. I was coming back to the office after a 12 hour day in Montgomery County running voter registration teams.
In front of me was a man in a pick-up truck. On the back he had two equally offensive bumper stickers. I can’t remember one of them and the other’s exact phrasing escapes me. But it was something like “John Kerry: Endorsed by Osama bin-Laden.” I was drinking a Snapple and I had a really hard time restraining myself from using it to smash the man’s rear window. In the end, the possibility that he had a firearm was all that restrained me.
I (Heart) Gitmo
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Liberal Hunting Permit
Later on the jerk driving the I heart gitmo truck (he was hard to mistaken in a small town) he drove another car up to the post office, saw me tacking a Bring Them Home Now postcard to the bulletin board and threw is lit cigarette in my face. I was shocked.. and luckily unhurt. He strolled into the post office (this guy is huge and looks like Santa)
This time there was no evil genie or even thought… I just picked up the still lit smoke and blew on it a bit and tossed it into the back of his rusty pimp mobile.
So yeah… I’m bad because I reacted. It didn’t bring peace to the world. It probably didn’t even teach him a lesson but when sometimes and this is where I’m STILL LEARNING (and I’m one of those sub humans that won’t be finished learning till they cremate my freckled ass… is that – No matter what they do to you, push you, insult you, hurt you, rape you, mocky you, ignore… you MUST never stop standing and trying and speaking up.
They want us to be to afraid to speak up. And they sure as hell want us divided.
was perhaps in its beginnings defined by certain specific economic and social ideologies. Today it is used to denote political movements that oppose free speech and the rest of the gamut of individual liberties. The demonstrators against the cartoon have every right to boycott the papers, rant on the media, maybe even to make threats of violence.
However, they choose to attack national embassies and make threats not just against the publishers, but against the nations that refuse to abrograte those rights for their own citizens. I think that’s the part that is justly described as fascism, just as I think it’s entirely accurate to see Bush’s attacks on the rights of Americans and on the sovereignty of other countries fascism.
I think you indulge in some hype yourself, Steven, when you call the reaction against the rioters “racism”. Islam is not a race, any more than is Christianity, socialism, vegetarianism, or liberalism. Islam, like other religions, hides behind its “sacredness” to promote its mandates with impunity, and too many of its devotees respond with rage more appropriate to spoiled children when its special privileged status is not recognized. You seem to buy into a similar assumption that there’s something special about anyone who claims belief in a particular “faith”. I wonder if you accord the same tolerance to the likes of Falwell and Dobson and the guys who murdered Mathew Shepard, for example. Or of Charlie Manson or Pol Pot, for that matter.
Yes, we have more than enough anger and upset in the world. But I don’t think it will be lessened by making a practice of “respecting” those whose only resort when “offended”, is childish violence against anyone who doesn’t see things their way. That applies as much to the Muslims in question as it does to the Americans who unleashed Bush upon the world. I think your first impulse was your best one: A pox on all their houses.
Right on, on both counts.
Islam is not a race, and if opposition to the doctrines of Islam and the behavior of some (and I emphasize some) Muslims is automatically going to be considered bigotry, then the correct term is “religious bigotry”. I’m not seeing much if any racism in the reactions around here to the mob violence going on in response to these cartoons. I know I don’t care what color you are; I do care about the molotov cocktail you’re throwing and the death threats you’re making. To confuse the two is at best hysterical ignorance, and at worst, it is a deliberately dishonest smear designed to short-circuit honest debate.
And fascism, I believe, is exactly the right label. The difference between “spontaneous” gatherings of Sturmabteilung thugs launching violent mob actions against representative institutions of a hated religious enemy in the 1930s under the National Socialists and equally “spontaneous” gatherings of Islamofascist thugs launching violent mob actions against representative… Well, you get the idea. The practical difference is nil. For some reason, the superficial differences confuse people, as if a fascist becomes less of a fascist just because he has a beard and carries a Quran.
That, in itself, is the scary part and it does not bode well for our society. The left has become so hypersensitive about even the appearance of racism and religious bigotry that many are willing to give a free pass to the most egregious evils if only they are espoused by a self-proclaimed holy man of non-European descent. I, for one, have not spent my life fighting ecclesiastical intrusions into civil liberties to roll over and play dead just because the costumes have changed. It is deeply disturbing that the same people who form an amen chorus when Pat Robertson and his wingnut fundie drones are denounced suddenly switch to cries of “racist!” when the fundie drones in question happen to have beards.
The discussion here @BooMan’s Place did NOT start today, but has covered a week. Some of comments seem to miss the background of Danish and European politics. Therefore I have cross-posted this from an earlier diary.
Strength of a democracy is where people have their freedoms, act responsibly in society, care for their brothers and sisters, and create living space for minorities and personal freedom. I use the word care for, to differentiate from large groups in society who offer compassion by voice only. Care in a manner of touching, emotion and reaching out by offering an escape from poverty, illness and poor education. Exchange the Danish and Dutch word of xeno- into homo-phobia, and it touches closer to home in the greatest democracy of the world.
All elements involved with the Danish cartoons, I have witnessed in the Netherlands with the murders of politician Pim Fortuyn and filmmaker Theo van Gogh, complete with the ugliness of Dutch mob out of control and loss of their senses. The freedom of speech of Pim Fortuyn, running for parliament in national election, inspired a left-wing, vegan animal-rights campaigner van der Graaf to execute Fortuyn in Mediacenter Hilversum, minutes after a hours long live radio interview. The supporters of Pim Fortuyn gathered and demonstrated in The Hague outside the parliament buildings that same evening. Scared politicians hid themselves in small attic space when the mob threw rocks, shattered windows and set fire to cars in a underground parking nearby. Extremists gained in the following election, an upheaval in Dutch politics.
Imprisonment for 12 years
The murder of Theo van Gogh was inspired by his film Submission , depicting the suppression of women and wife beating specifically within Dutch Muslim society. The short film was produced in combination with a script written by Dutch politician Hirsi Ali of the center-right Liberal Conservatives VVD. The attacker Mohammed Bouyeri was a self-taught Islamist, focused on the Sharia punishments for heretics, cutting off limbs and heads. Mohammed practised with the slaughter of animals, in the latest 2-hour presentation in court it became clear MB is a nut case and was not positioned in the Dutch Muslim community. The result of the van Gogh murder was a rise of xenophobia and extremism from both sides. White teenagers torched Muslim grammar schools and mosques, a very ugly mob scene that surprised people throughout Europe and the World.
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Sentenced to life imprisonment, no probation possible
In my opinion, by reaching out to the Muslim community in Amsterdam by mayor Job Cohen, and across the country by PM Jan Peter Balkenende, has prevented further escalation in Dutch society.
The tinder box in the Middle East and the Clash of “Civilizations” offers extremism further gains after 911 and the illegal invasion and occupation of an Arab country Iraq. Combined with occupation of Palestinian territory by Israelis, the warmongering against Syria and Iran has led to the explosion of anger, violence, destruction and killing of innocent people. The Westerners must understand how the masses can be manipulated and used by agent provocateurs for a goal not intended by the demonstrators. Every totalitarian state is well versed in the strategy of provocateurs used to perfection in the Soviet era of communism, Stalin and Saddam Hussein. It is clear to me and confirmed by analysis of ME experts, the Lebanese demonstration in Beirut was hijacked by agent provocateurs, which led to fire bombing of the Danish embassy and a Christian church nearby. Syrian supporters of Hezbollah and Palestinians were the cause of the excessive violence in Beirut, to provoke sectarian division in Lebanon.
In Irag you will find the protest demonstrations are confined to the Al Sadr militia and its supporters in Kut and southern cities of Iraq. The large demonstrations in Afghanistan in the cities of Herat, Kandahar, Kabul and at the NATO base in Maymana, were staged by Taliban supporters and the conservative Islamists. In Pakistan there were large demonstrations in Peshawar and in India in the region of Kashmir.
It’s all very predictable, and under the false pretense of freedom of speech, politicians and journalists were carried by this wave of a violent tsunami. No one knows how to calm the eruption in the oceans of a world population.
The reaction in the Netherlands is very clear, xenophobic fear has won. The right-wing 1-seat party of politician Geert Wilders has published the despicable cartoons on his website, which led to retaliations by Islamists with anti-semitic expression. A war of words has led to bloodshed and a further division in European society, the future consequences no one seems to care about.
I just heard a report on Dutch radio from the ruling right-wing party of Ms Pia Kjaersgaard of Denmark, where she calls for prosecution of the imams in Denmark with the charge of treason and calls all his Muslim supporters traitors. I suppose scholar Kjaersgaard has taken lessons from RW republicans in the States.
● DTF Thought Provoking
● The Populist Deficiency of European Social Democracy
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Thank you Oui! I haven’t been able to read through all the links. But I’m saving this post so that I can later on. (still wading through kids’ homework journal)
Wow so it’s kinda like I first thought – someone was wanting this hate and aggression to occur – and for a very political reason(?) LIke, if you want your enemies to back you up – make them hate your other enemies.
The level in the US is already about as high as it can get, just how high I learned today.
It is Europe where the frenzy has not reached the fever pitch that they need, maybe that will occur, I do not know.
What I do know is that it is not something that can be fabricated, or “whipped up” if it is not already there.
The anger in the Middle East did not begin with these cartoons, and the anti-Mislim sentiments in the US did not begin with seeing a couple of embassies on fire, or even the 911 events. It has been a very thorough and steady process of decades.
Starting to see. But I’d be a liar if I said I understood it from yours or Oui’s experience or perspective. As I’m not in Europe nor am I Muslim, but what I am though is a friend. All I can truly say and be is that I am trying and wanting to learn. I am just so sorry about all of this.
I don’t want to see you leave, Ductapefatwa. It would really really suck.
I do need to go and take care of my son again. I’ve promised a trip to a favorite joint where’s there’s a jukebox that plays his favorite Beach Boys and my daughter doesn’t totally detest it. š
I hope you are still here when I get back.
that if he were to dare leave the frogpond, I’d be haunting him at his blog. š
I’d say Munich ’72 and the Iranian hostage crisis did permanent damage to the lens through which Americans see Muslims (especially Arabs).
The 241 marines killed in Lebanon in 1982 didn’t help, nor did the WTC bombing in 1993. And 9/11 created a permanent alienation for huge numbers of Americans.
We simply have not had to contend with this type of violence from Latin Americas, or Sub-Saharan Africans, or southeast Asians, or anyone else.
The worst perception, by far, is the suicide bomber. I’ve never met a homegrown American that had anything but the utmost comtempt for the tactic.
So, there is a deep level of mistrust and very little understanding of how our policies have contributed to the blowback.
I’d also say that most Americans have zero empathy for iconoclasm or censorship, and that is another thing causing alienation.
Right now Americans are allowing censorship, it’s called FOX and CNN. Right now Americans are allowing their government to do whatever they feel like.
Americans are apathetic and quite ignorant of others.
I’ve never had any contempt or hate for Muslims. I worked side by side a lady who was Muslim at an airport during the first Gulf War. I and my family have nothing to fear from anyone in the Persian Gulf.
What I do fear is my own goverment.
I do fear Timothy McVeighs.
I fear Homeland Security.
I fear that the next hurricane FEMA will allow more to drown.
I fear going to Planned Parenthood for check ups.
What keeps me sharp and alert when I walk to my car is not fear of any one from the Middle East but from some redneck yahoo in the parking lot who has had too much to drink and didn’t get enough rage out from beating up his kids and wife so has to take it out on another.
I fear the predators who target the weakest in the coutnry – children. I fear for my children.
I fear the killing of Iraqi women and children won’t stop.
My grandpa still fears what he was told to fear from propaganda… The Japanese. You won’t believe the hate and contempt he has for anything and everything that even in his small mind makes him think of Japan.
I think the world has much to fear from fear.
/I’d also say that most Americans have zero empathy for iconoclasm or censorship, and that is another thing causing alienation. /
That was sarcasm right?
no. maybe I wasn’t clear.
So I will rephrase.
Most Americans have no sympathy for the idea that it would make Muslims angry to see a neutral depiction of Mohammed. It doesn’t seem like a valid thing to get angry about.
After all, the Christian symbol is Jesus on a cross. And the iconoclasm of Calvinism no longer has any emotional currency. People think of religious art as something sacred, or interesting, or whatever.
When the Taliban blew up the giant buddhas most Americans couldn’t understand the mindset that would do such a thing.
And while there a many Americans that protest when they perceive that their religion or ethnicity is being mocked, there is rarely a call for censorship. Instead there is a call for someone to be fired, or for the advertisers to be boycotted.
So, the bottom line is that most Americans are starting out this debate without any baseline agreement that Muslims have a right to be so uptight about Mohammed’s depiction. Going beyond protest and boycott to vandalism etc, is not going to get much support.
And to be honest, it wouldn’t get any support if the Native Americans did it, or Hawaiians, or Puerto Ricans, or Moonies.
But, added on to all of this is the fact that radical muslims attacked New York, and we are war in two Muslim countries. So, the tolerance level is low anyway.
I guess I’m trying to say that our society and the societies of Islam have a very large distance between them when it comes to debating the issue of these cartoons.
And Americans (in the collective) are indeed hostile to Muslims, but that is in large part because we have been attacked by Muslims and not Peruvians or Kenyans or Laotians. Add to that we are not educated very well about the history of the region and our role in it. And add a steady diet of terror warnings.
Meanwhile, on the other side, the Muslims are also not very well educated about Americans. And they also receive a lot of indoctrination and misinformation.
Finally, add intelligence officers who know how to stir up the Arab street whenever it suits their purposes, and strongarm governments that know how to shut down those protests when they have served their purpose.
I am so afraid of this country. I’m thankful that the current strain of fascism here is not presently focused on Jews. I so don’t relish my children being discriminated against, imprisoned or killed because of who they are. And I’m honestly scared that what is needed to whip this people into a nuclear frenzy is not much. We could be nuking diverse peoples in no time. And I don’t think I’m just being flaky, here. Listening to people call in to talk shows. Down right frightening. I’m very sorry. I can’t be responsible for them all. But I swear, you can feel the fear and xenophobia and just watch a couple of terror alerts and stories about those evil Iranians and crazed protestors burning embassies, and I swear, we are just ready to kill. I think, in honesty, many of my fellow Americans are sick of diversity being shoved down their throats, and would openly embrace genocide if given half a chance.
I hope I’m wrong.
On a lighter note, my current choice of religion, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, has left me with few personal battles to fight. Most people enjoy his Noodly Appendages, and he is rarely parodied with malevolent intent. So I’m feeling that if, on the off chance our fascism veers off course toward anti-semitism, I will be able to disguise my wife and children with Chef Boyardee labels and slip across the northern border. It is my hope. And I’m saving cans.
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One can’t escape writing about this sad story in the Western media, but I believe the assumption of the Saudi link for the inflammation is not very likely. I would be interested to know how such a theory is developed, especially in the triangle Lebanon-Syria-Saudi Arabia and the Hariri assassination.
I recall a journey made by Danish Muslim activists to Arab nations, to spread the anguish over the Danish cartoons, after the Danish PM was unwilling to apologize for the insulting expression published in Denmark. The following is very interesting article ::
The anger in the Arab and Islamic World about the cartoons is remarkable, because the Arab media publish cartoons depicting Christian or Jewish symbols (see the cartoon posted in the Palestinian paper Al Quds).
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A Palestinian crucified by Israeli
settlements nailed to his body.
(Nasser Al-Ja'afari, Al Quds, 22 02 2004)
Through our own investigation, it is clear a group of Danish Imams made a journey throughout the Middle East at the end of last year, with the original 12 cartoons, plus an additional three. The source of these 3 cartoons remained unknown. On these three drawing is the prophet Mohammed shown with the face of a pig, as a homophile and while praying raped by a dog. The Danish tabloid Ekstra Bladet recently published a report what the Imams took along on their journey.
Viste pædofil Muhamed Imamer rejste rundt i Mellemøsten med langt mere provokerende billeder end Jyllands-Postens tegninger. Se dokumentation her
This report contained not just the 12 cartoons, but 15 drawings, including the three just described. As a check by the newspaper, it seems the three drawings were delivered anonymously to the Islamic organizations. The Imams took the three drawings with them to explain the atmosphere in Denmark, where the 12 cartoons were published in Jyllands Posten. The additional drawings must have increased the anger in the Islamic countries.
See my comment in diary by John Stuart Mill
● Comments @BooMan Are Spot On!
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Why on earth should the Danish PM apologize for ANYTHING a citizen of his country says? It ain’t his business, and shouldn’t be, unless that citizen is speaking in some official capacity. I find it hard to respect folks who can’t grasp the concept of freedom of speech.
Not everyone has the ‘privilege’ of growing up in a country with freedom of speech. Some of us live in countries with hate speech laws, and some even live in countries with state controlled media.
(I am not saying that I think the Danish PM should have apologized. But I think he should have at least had a discussion and explained his point of view. As it is, it’s not even so clear that the cartoons are legal in the Danish context. There should have been honest communication and open discussion.
The fact that the Danish government is pretty anti-immigration and anti-Muslim does not help matters any, and I’m sure some of Denmark’s Muslims saw Jyllands-Posten’s actions as a part of a larger trend prevalent in the Danish community.)
There are plenty of people who grew up without freedoms. That doesn’t stop them from valuing and understanding it. In fact they are often the most passionate defenders of individual liberties.
If there’s some reason to reasonably think that the publishers were speaking for the government, that would cast a whole different light on the situation. But I’ve seen nothing credible to that effect.
I was not suggesting that the paper was speaking for the government.
But some may feel that the fact that the paper felt it was okay to publish the cartoons is due to the anti-Muslim trend in Danish society.
And that is one of the reasons why people react not only against the paper but also against Denmark.
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Last time I checked, Denmark was a sovereign country in the EU and had democratic elections. Yep, the Danes have their culture and laws about free speech. It’s not German law, or Sharia law or do they follow the U.S. constitution and precedents of U.S. court rulings. Let the Danes decide, and no need to support the Danish newspapers or get involved in their affairs. If the Muslim world and nations want to boycott Danish products, that’s ok by me.
Looking at a background of RW extremism and xenophobia in Denmark, I do believe no one wins by escalating this War of Words (WoW). I had hoped it would blow over, but there is no need for other countries and media to aggravate the situation by adding to the insult. Extremists across the globe will use this conflict to their advantage and perhaps another million Muslims will walk the path of terror. Should we get ourselves involved in the Danish milk & butter row?
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murdering Muslims, it would be highly inappropriate, not to mention somewhat hypocritical for the government to enforce the laws against a newspaper that prints anti-Muslim hate cartoons.
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Interfaith group slams caricatures
A group of religious Zionist rabbis has said that Israeli media reprinting of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad oversteps the bounds of journalistic freedom.
Reprinting the caricatures hurts Israeli Arabs’ feelings, said Rabbi David Stav, one of the heads of the Petah Tikva hesder yeshiva and a Tzohar rabbi.
“Freedom of speech does not include the right to hurt the feelings of another,” said Stav, who represents a group of 14 Orthodox rabbis who belong to Kedem, an interfaith group that includes Muslim and Christian clerics. Other members are Baruch Gigi, one of the heads of Har Etzion Yeshiva in Alon Shvut, and Rabbi Shmuel Reiner of the Religious Kibbutz Movement.
Xenophobia and Racism in Europe or Freedom of Speech?
Is it just by accident the Danish cartoons happened in Copenhagen, or is the RW government and Danish support of U.S. in Iraq War a concern for Islamists in the Middle East? The US and UK coalition have killed journalists and bombed TV stations in Iraq and Afghanistan, in the name of democracy and freedom of speech.
translation of the Ekstra Bladet article:
Showed Pedophile Mohammed
Imams toured the Middle East with far more provoking images than Jyllands-Posten‘s drawings.
See the documentation here …
By Allan Larsen and Kåre Quist – 9:55 – 12. jan, 2006
When a group of Danish imams recently toured all around the Middle East to gather support for their criticism of the much debated Mohamed-illustrations in Jyllands-Posten and of prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the drawings was apparently not provoking enough for the purpose.
Ekstra Bladet can now document, that the delegation also brought pictures and drawings, that among other things show the prophet Mohamed depicted as both pedophile and equipped with a pigs snout – and there is also one controversial picture of a praying Muslim, who is being raped analy by a dog …
by BobFunk (bobfunk@clanwhiskey.net)
on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 05:15:36 AM PDT
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Extreme right to serve the masses. In the land of Hans Christian Andersen — Ms Pia Kjaersgaard of Denmark.
The Danish tabloid Ekstra Bladet.
The date of publication, January 12, is most important, as this is also the impulse for protest by ME governments, by chance the date of the Hajj in Saudi Arabia.
Muslim pilgrims walk across the Jamarat bridge in Mina.
● Muslim Group Asks Los Angeles Radio Host to Apologize
The group quoted Handel as saying: “This is Mahmoud Nolan. Hajj in the Sky. There is an accident. … Ali lost his sandal on the on-ramp to the Martin Luther King Jr. freeway.”
In March 2004, KFI issued an on-air apology after the group filed a complaint with the FCC following a skit that claimed Muslims have sex with animals, don’t bathe and hate Jews.
≈ Cross-posted from Soj’s diary —
Muslim Cartoon Controversy: What the Media Isn’t Telling You ≈
Caricatures Roil Muslim World Beirut Embassy Torched
Iraq Demonstrations, Threats against Danish Troops
Dutch F-16 at Baghram
● Dutch F-16’s Used To Disperse Angry Crowds in Afghanistan
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By: JAN M. OLSEN (Mon, Jan/09/2006)
COPENHAGEN, Denmark – A regional prosecutor said he would not file charges against a newspaper that published contentious caricatures of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad, and Danish Muslim groups said they would appeal.
“We cannot understand the decision,” said Ahmad Akkari, a spokesman for a coalition of 11 community groups, adding that they would take their complaints to Denmark’s top prosecutor.
He said the 12 caricatures, published Sept. 30 in the Jyllands-Posten daily, were a “clear offense to Islam.”
State prosecutor Peter Broendt Joergensen said the drawings were protected by Denmark’s freedom of speech laws and did not violate bans on racism and blasphemy.
Egypt has been spearheading foreign criticism of Denmark over the cartoons. While Egypt “respects freedom of opinion and expression, we also realize the borders which must never be crossed,” Egypt’s official Middle East News Agency quoted Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit as saying after he was informed of the prosecutor’s decision by his Danish counterpart.
Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet, even respectful ones, out of concern that such images could lead to idolatry.
AP Story
Conclusion – Soj’s position in his diary was a slanted view towards Saudi Arabia :: SOURCES filled with disinformation, mischief and treachery is clearly a trade on all sides in the Middle East.
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But I do not think the image should be taken down, nor does susan have anything to apologize for.
Her views are her views, she has a right, as administrator of the site, to set the tone and define the site according to her wishes.
To remove the image at this point would be dishonest. I did suggest, even ask, that she consider editing her exhortation to the public to post the image in their beighborhoods, and perhaps I should not have, but I sincerely believe that despite the zeal of her beliefs, shw would feel sadness if her words inspired acts tht led to even one person being harmed.
But the gist of the message, and the image itself, I believe should stay right where they are, even bumped up to the top, to serve as fair warning to people who might happen to surf onto the site, or click a link seen somewhere else.
The situation is what it is, and in my opinion, I have a highe regard for people who stand by their beliefs than pretend to change them.
Exactly exactly my feelinf the matter.
As Mr Burns would say…”Excellent!.”
((my favorite saying is “Release the hounds!”, but unfortunetly, I find myself without a mandate for this one.))
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/8/215024/1006
Muslims in Northern California spoke to the press about the cartoons and the reaction today. I took pictures and added a few thoughts in this post for what it is worth. Am not going to diary it, as it depends on the pictures but anyone interested is welcome to take a look. Seeing some of the people effected makes a difference, at least for me.