There is out there ridiculous and dangerous information on abortion that threatens who women are in this country. It is said that women who have abortions sometimes suffer depression for the rest of their lives. It is said that they carry with them, for life, what they have done to an innocent zygote or fetus.
It is also said that women make the decision to have abortions frivilously, that we believe in ‘abortion on demand.’ There is a dangerous notion that we decide late in our pregnancies that we just simply don’t want this ‘kid’ so we go shopping, we have lunch, and then we stop in at our local, friendly clinic and tell them to scrape and vaccum away, we’ve got a party to go to.
Depressed and traumatized on the one hand or party girls on the other. Is it really that simple? What happens to those who don’t have a choice?
What we don’t hear about is what forced motherhood does to too many women. What we don’t hear is how long it takes, how much courage it takes, how heartbreaking it is to find our way back from the terror and horror.
What we don’t hear about is what forced motherhood does to too many women. What we don’t hear is how long it takes, how much courage it takes, how heartbreaking it is to find our way back from the terror and horror of bearing a child we didn’t want.
After I posted my diary the other day, The scars that keep on giving and taking I received an email from the founder of a group that works to stop the violence against women and children in this country.
In the email I was asked if my diary could be posted on their website and forwarded in emails to its members. Stories like mine are going to be sent to the governor’s office in South Dakota to illustrate other forms of violence, the violence behind women’s desperation when we don’t have the choice to abort or to give birth.
I’ve thought of little else these past few days. I’m haunted by my scars. I’m grief stricken because we are going down a dangerous path here, a path that will lead to more and more scars on the wrists of young girls and women. I can’t get the images out of my head, the ones of blank faces that carry these scars for a lifetime.
There is in me a new madness that every single one of these white male heathens should be haunted as well. They should have to read what it is like to come back from the brink of despair. They should have to read every word I’m about to say not because my story is any different or better or more tragic or well written than others. They should have to read these words precisely because they are no different than thousands and thousands of other women and young girls stories.
I wrote this in response to the woman who requested my permission to post my diary. I post it here because I do think it makes a difference. The scars last a lifetime because coming back from the abyss takes a lifetime.
Dear XXX … thank you for the opportunity to perhaps make a difference with my story. I am humbled and honored to have you post it on your website. The work you tirelessly do knows no bounds in it’s importance to women and to children. Please feel free to email it to your members or share it with anyone you think needs to read it.
One of my biggest nightmares has been seeing Roe v. Wade overturned on our watch. It’s the kind of having something come full circle that none of us from pre Roe want. We must do whatever we can to stop this madness.
I, like far too many women, had a childhood with sexual assault being one of the scars we carry with us throughout our lifetimes. It’s astounding to me that this country allows this violence to go unabated year after year without much more than a nod. That’s another diary though, a subject I’ve written on more than once.
Because I am a survivor of both sexual assault and attempted suicide I don’t have a problem with any implications that may be drawn from my story. All violence against women has to be addressed. However, I am in agreement with your second email to me. [there was talk about rape in her initial email to me.]
Part of the intention in telling my story was to illustrate that there are other forms of violence that women suffer. It’s no less violent when we are pushed against an unwielding wall and thus forced to do something desperate and drastic like taking our own lives. It isn’t just our hands that that violence lies in, it’s also the hands of those who deny us a choice.
I’ve had a hard time concentrating on anything else since the legislation was passed in South Dakota that doesn’t consider the woman in anyway close to the fetus. It’s an abhorrent message to send to us all, women and to young girls. It’s as if our lives mean absolutely nothing beyond bringing babies into this world.
It’s so often said that those of us who choose to have abortions do it frivilously, without much thought. The meme ‘abortion on demand’ furthers this insane impression. There is also the dialogue about women who are depressed for the rest of their lives after having an abortion, that they are never the same.
What needs to be said is how long it takes to pull ourselves out from under forced motherhood. The year after my suicide attempt I wasn’t able to engage in conversations because I was like a wounded bird, I couldn’t think clearly enough or get out of the madness that was my mind enough to talk. I felt safe curled up in the corner of the couch where the arm meets the back. My parents had to move my bed against the wall so I could feel it while I slept. I had to feel boundaries around me, I had to know I wouldn’t fall.
I couldn’t engage in conversations because my mind no longer had the ability to grasp anything but the constant fear and terror I felt from still being alive, from believing I was crazy, from the reality in my head that I wasn’t where I belonged. If I had succeeded in my attempt I would have been where I truly belonged, dead and gone to wherever it is we go. Since I didn’t succeed I was left incapacitated with a mind, soul and spirit that were no longer my own, they were unrecognizable, they were foreign to me. There was no other way to see myself but that of a crazy person who didn’t belong in the warmth and comfort of my parent’s arms and home. Where I belonged, where all crazy people belonged was in state run mental institutions.
The one constant in my head was the girl in “I Never Promised You A Rose Garden.” I lived in terror that I was going crazy, that I would be institutionalized in one of those hospitals. It was a very slow process bringing me back into a world I felt safe in. When a woman or young girl losses her sense of self, when a woman or young girl losses the sense that she owns her own body, when a woman or young girl losses the sense of freedom to do with her life what she chooses her whole world can fall apart. When we lose our way of being we also lose our grip on reality because our reality is no longer ours to shape.
I couldn’t bear to be in the dark for many years. The darkness was too much like the crazed darkness that was my life during those first few years. It was a chilling darkness, an unrelenting darkness, a dangerous darkness, a darkness I couldn’t escape. I couldn’t escape it because I had constant reminders, my scars and my son. What kind of world is it that turns a young girl’s own child into a reminder of the loss of her sanity because she had no choice? What kind of a world is it that is an enabler of madness, the stark, wild madness when all one has known is lost?
That was my world for far too long. That was the world that was created because I didn’t have a choice. I lost all my confidence to know I could plan my life, the confidence it takes to put one foot in front of another on the path we should be allowed to forge ourselves.
I’m not sure which form of violence is greater. I’ve been the victim of both but what I truly believe is the violence of raping my future was as great as the violence against my little nine-year-old body. It was an assault in both cases. I sincerely don’t think one or the other was any more or less traumatic. I was raped by a family friend and I was raped by a government who told me I wasn’t capable of making my own choices in life.
The scars are the same. The scars that never go away, the scars that remind us every second of every minute of everyday, 365 days a year, that we were born to be told by men what is possible for us and what is not.
The sheer terror of that never leaves us. Is that freedom? Is that liberty? Is that what living in the United States of America means? Does the flag wave for us or does it just wave for those who are the ‘chosen ones’ who tell us what we are worth?
The tragedy is that I don’t have an answer. Is that what being a woman in America means? The answer to that question is sadly, yes.
This is crossposted at DailyKos and My Left Wing
I think it’s imperative people realize that being forced to do something against your will is a form of violence. It’s something that takes a lifetime to get over.
To that end I think it’s important for people to realize that forced motherhood is a form of rape, of being forced by our government to do something that is unnatural to many of us.
That’s why I’m telling my story because I think it makes a difference when people know the effects are long lasting and they can be heartbreaking.
I didn’t fix the link to the diary I referenced so here it is. Oops.
The Scars That Keep on Giving and Taking
who just found out she’s pregnant and doesn’t know where to turn since she doesn’t feel she can tell her parents and our state has a parental permission law.
I shudder to think how this is going to impact her life, no matter what the outcome. One day she is 16, a sophomore in high school, working at a pizza shop for minimum wage, doing her homework, learning to drive. The next minute she is either a mother or a murderer in the eyes of so many.
Very beautiful writing, cali.
Thank you for responding. It’s just heartbreaking that it’s come to this. It’s horrifying and devastating.
As a survivor of the pre-Roe years I just didn’t imagine young girls and women’s lives would be in such peril again. We get complacent I guess when we think something this horrific is over.
Maybe you can be the touchstone to the young girl you speak of. I’ll hold you both in my heart and in my thoughts.
I think we need to organize and take a revolution to the streets for all the young girls, like you friend, who are faced with this.
I have gathered up information for her to read and have encouraged her to go to Planned Parenthood for counseling. I am ambivalent about helping her further than that for a couple of reasons. First, I think she should tell her parents. It sounds as if she is embarrassed and afraid but there is no real danger from them. I can’t be sure as I am getting information second hand from my son. And I am afraid I would be opening myself up to criminal charges if I did what I want to do for her. Mostly I am trying to get her in touch with people who can help her make the right decisions.
what would you want done? If you were her?
who live in a state without such laws who could help her? Or maybe a trusted adult where she lives might have such friends? If her state’s permission law has an “aid and abet” clause, the utmost discretion would be required…
who can pretend to be her parent, or can you, so she can get an abortion?
Also, how pregnant is she? There are herbs that can create the same result. I know people who’ve tried the herbs with success, without success. But if there’s even a 50-50 chance, that’s more than nothing.
My email is in my profile if you’d like to know more.
Good. Grief.
Thank you for sharing this. It’s a harrowing tale, but one I too think should be told far and wide. Some, of course, will be so lost in their belief in their own self righteousness that they will be unable to hear… but if even one person is able to be reached, it can make a difference.
Peace
The part that haunts me the most is that many don’t have the support I had to get well.
I had parents who were there every step of the way and still are. I had access to quality care with doctors and with psychiatric care. I had wonderful friends and a sister who was a rock and my closest friend.
I fear for those who don’t have all of that. My heart breaks for them.
Exactly!!! Not only do they have to deal with the rape and the aftermath… they also now have to battle fighting for the medical and healing rights.
Thank you for this diary of yours. Love and strength!
Caliberal,
As was the case when I commented in your original diary at dKos, it is with reluctance that I wish to comment in this one for the same reasons that I expressed then. As a man I find myself in a very difficult place. Not because as a man I might be pre-disposed to believe that women should me dominated. My feelings are exactly the opposite. And again, there is no way that my imagination could make the leap it would be required to make to be able to say that I understand. I can’t. I can empathize and feel sorrow for the those things you’ve had to find a way to survive through. As a human being I can see the pain coming from your words but never be truly able to feel the depth of your wounds. You’ll just have to trust that I mean it beyond any ability to express, that I’m so very sorry that the men, the bad men in your life, caused you so much pain.
There is one other thing I want to say though, that I think is very important for all of us to remember. And this is another mine field moment for me simply because I’m a man. Here goes. While it is true that the vast, vast, super majority of people who are anti-choice are men, with all the history, thousands of years of male’s dominating, subjigating, even enslaving women, there are also many women who are anti-choice. It was your comment above about white male heathens that caught my eye. There are plenty of white and non-white heathens, male and female. They are most definetily a small minority, but they exist and make a difference nonetheless. A good example would be a female democratic Senator from S.Dakota who voted for the ban. As far as I’m concerned she’s no democrat to begin with, but I won’t get into her ideaology, only to say that there are plenty more where she came from.
Thank you for these diaries Caliberal. As painful as they might be to write, and I’m not assuming they are, they are just as valuable to all who read them and who can stop and wonder how it could be possible that this country might return to those days when suicide was a woman’s escape from an unwanted pregnancy.
Peace
Super, you know I take your words to heart. These are the most difficult diaries I’ve written and shared. They bring back a terror that is often times almost gone from my life now. They also only highlight the gravest things that have happened in my life. They say nothing of all the wondrous men I have been fortunate to share my life with. They say nothing of the care and comfort afforded me by my many male friends and collegues.
I know that one of the first things that comes about from reading the words is empathy and it means a great deal to me. If the war against women hadn’t reared its ugly head again I would have been very content to live the rest of my life never telling this part of my story, it all could have remained a distant memory that really doesn’t impact my life that much any longer.
And I agree with you about the men as heathens remark. I know one of the proponents for the bill in South Dakota is a woman and shame on her. But it is the white men who stand behind Bush that we all see. It’s also unfounded but still something I believe to be true, white men lead this fight and the pro-life women follow. Phyllis Schalfly is a heathen of the first order and so are the pro-life women who follow. Feminists for Life are all heathens. They all have blood on their hands.
Part of the terror for women is how we’re treated all over the world. Just as it’s difficult for men to understand how deeply and injurious what happens to us individually is, it’s much more difficult for us to understand why men think they have the right to do the things they do to women all across the globe. Rape as weapons of war. Fucking virgins to scare the AIDS gods away. Beating and violating women just because they can. It’s agonizing to be a woman, to see it and to try and get a grip on WHY.
So when I put it on men’s shoulders it’s because it’s men who refuse to change the dynamic of men over women. Every nine seconds a woman is the victim of domestic violence in this country. One out of every three women will be raped in their lifetimes in this country. What we hear too often is not why can’t men stop beating and raping women, what we hear is the question, “why don’t women leave.”
This is the most powerful nation in the world. This is the wealthiest nation in the world. Why isn’t some of that power and wealth used to stop the fucking mistreatment and violence against women? Why don’t men take responsibility for it? Why don’t men stop or why aren’t men made to stop?
I know you know all of this. I know you wouldn’t condone any of it. I know who you are deep down into your soul. I know there are many men like you, men who want it to end, men who pray for it to end, men who have daughters and have an investment in making it end. But the truth is it isn’t ending and there’s no sign that it will end. In the most dangerous places in the world for women we march in lockstep with the incidence against women. One in every three women are raped in Africa. The same as this country. A woman is the victim of domestic violence every 5 seconds in Africa and in the strictest of Islamic countries. In the US of A, every nine seconds a woman is the victim of violence.
For all of those reasons, men get the brunt of our outrage Super. I’m really very sorry about it when it becomes personal for men who care about us and support us. It’s not meant to attack you but women are lumped together all the time. It’s unfortunate that you get the same treatment but until there comes a time for women to feel secure in our homes and in our country I’m afraid the bigger picture for us is too often it’s men who cause us to live in fear and terror.
Anytime someone says “men this, men that”, I switch off. Unless it’s affecting someone I know personally, it’s reached my “stop-loss level on worry” (paraphrasing Dale Carnegie’s lesser known but excellent book.) Guilt by association or inaction doesn’t cut it.
So if you want my sympathy, my support, you will not use these expressions even for metaphor.
I’m fine, the women I know are fine, why should I care?
Let’s try the standard rebuttal: women actively help support these “systems/dynamics/whatever” by going for the most influential/rich/brave/high status males available. Read some Warren Farrell for lots more of this.
There was a throwaway line in the Female Eunuch that showed that Greer had pretty much understood this, something about marrying the losers. I’m afraid I just don’t see that happening.
So as long as the football team are getting more action that the chess club, don’t look for me, I’m somewhere else.
Now, as they say in newsgroups: Flame on!
(I’m sure I’ve left out some key point in my argument.)
Dude, your timing sucks.
Thanks!
If you will not join them in their war against the terror of subjugation, at least respect them enough to avoid insulting them when they talk about horrors that neither you nor I nor any man can comprehend.
What we can do is empathize with it as human suffering, and march with them “shoulder to shoulder” as Louisa May Alcott put it.
I think you do not intend this, but the impression you give is not as someone who wishes to help your sisters, but as a young man in a bit of pique because he has failed to win the smile of a lady he admired.
Nah, that was months ago, I’m fine now. (Incidentally I respect anyone who uses expressions such as “fit of pique”. Haven’t heard that since Lehrer. I’m not sure anyone will believe this, but I’m not being sarcastic.)
I guess it depends on whether you want to vent or actually change something. Most people, most of the time, don’t actually want to change anything. I mistook this for a “call for suggestions” thread when it was actually an “I feel your pain” one.
I’m not going to be able to make my point briefly, and I think I’m already getting drunk on adrenaline and the thrill of debate, so I’ll step back from the brink now.
oppression, which is an issue that does need to be addressed, and maybe you will do a diary about it, beginning with the choosing bad partners aspect.
The sisters thing is not something we do, it is just a fact. They are our sisters, our daughters, nieces, mothers, aunts, etc.
And I actually said bit instead of fit in that particular case, because it seemed you had passed the fit stage.
I don’t see this diary as so much I feel your pain, but as an opportunity for education, for people who are not aware how common this suffering is, and also for ladies to, if you want to call it vent, but understand that some of these ladies are expressing, writing down, horrors that they have suppressed, and they NEED to express it, and also see the experiences of other women, to understand that it is NOT their fault, it is not something for which they need to feel shame, which does return us to your issue of internalized oppression.
So I think you are in the same book, just possibly on a different page. I hope you will do a diary on this subject.
Please don’t step back, Number 6, because we need you.
Sexist men don’t respect women. They have as little regard for what we say as racists do for people of colour. In the same way that racists only respond to the disapproval of other white people, men who think rape and abuse are OK will only listen to other men who stand up to them.
I’ve witnessed more times than I care to remember groups of men laughing and telling jokes, and when a really nasty, demeaning story that denegrates women comes up, no one speaks out to say that it’s not funny, that it’s sexist and promotes violence against women. I KNOW that most of the men laughing along are uncomfortable, and don’t subscribe to the underlying hostility, but still, they say nothing, and the teller assumes that all the guys agree with his misogyny. They shore up his sexism with their silence.
Now this may not seem to be your fight, but it is. Like it or not, all men benefit from sexism just as all whites benefit from racism, even when we don’t want that benefit. If we sit back and allow sexism and racism to give us a bigger piece of the pie, our inaction perpetuates the problem.
I know I’m asking men to take a big risk. Speaking out can get you ridiculed and excluded. But I’m not asking more of you than I’ve demanded of myself as a white woman who will not allow racist remarks and actions go unquestioned. It’s hard, it’s embarassing, and it’s particularly difficult with friends, but common, human decency requires it.
ridiculed and excluded by cads and cowards.
The day that such riffraff does not exclude and ridicule you is the day to look into your mirror and ask if it s a man who looks back.
I think Number 6 is a good hearted man who will write a splendid diary on the male perspective of women who spurn the noble suitor in favor of the cad, and why.
I will get him started off: One reason they do it is because they have been subjected to crimes, that for cultural reasons have left them feeling that they are not worthy of the gallant fellow, and might as well expend themselves on the wastrel.
It is also to form a protective alliance with the pack leader. The more powerless one feels in a dangerous and frightening world, the more likely that people (men and women) will try to align themselves with the powerful. That may mean marrying the biggest, baddest SOB on the block, or voting for the guy who’s toughest on defense. Either way, putting ourselves in the thrall of a ruthless bully is dangerous and risky. It is some measure of just how afraid we are that bargains like this are struck at all.
Given the high incidence of rape and domestic violence, and the way society minimizes their profound and life long effects, and the failure of the rule of law to stop the war on women that has raged for millennia, any woman who musters the courage to live a marginally free life is a hero.
And, yes, Ductape. Real adults stand up for what’s right, especially when it’s unpopular.
Unfortunately, the Stanley Kowalskis outnumber the Atticus Finches, and before noble suitors even think about wooing, they need to join women in cleaning up this mess. Marriageable women are far more likely to reject the cad in favour of a genuinely nice guy when we live free of the memory and constant threat of violence.
like greed, a characteristic that once was useful, even needed for survival, but is now an evolutionary anachronism, not only no longer useful, but harmful, and an actual danger to survival.
In the case of greed, early man needed an instinct to drive him to hoard more berries than he could eat, so he would have food when berries were unavailable.
Today, however, greed is the greatest single cause of all human suffering, and like a metastatic cancer, it has grown into a monster that threatens its host, in this case, human life.
So it is, I think with the pack leader notion. Early ladies who captured the heart of the pack leader were more likely to see their children thrive. The pack leader would vanquish predators, and those who sought his favor would give him gifts of food, even though he was very good at obtaining it, a talent which would have contributed to his status as pack leader.
But now it is not the pack leader who is the best bet, for a variety of reasons. Yet some ladies still have vestiges of that instinct in the same way that humans who have a chance now amass many more berries than they could eat even through the coldest winter.
But please susan, have some compassion for all those noble suitors who wish to help their sisters in their struggle, but who wish to do it hand in hand with the one special lady he loves. Must all people wait to marry until subjugation of women has passed from the earth? π
I live in hope because of the noble suitors who embrace the one in romantic passion, and spread their arms wide in agape compassion for the world entire. These are the Good Father archetype made flesh, dear Ductape, as you know well.
myhusband knows my story. Some here do as well.
He went ballistic the other morning after hearing about S Dakota’s governor. He knows that this will kill women. Some will die on bloody bathroom floors. Some will die slower… maybe even decades later. Those may even take their children with them. Especially after feeling like such a failure since they couldn’t care for them financially.
Woman are going to die because of this.
This administration has done nothing but put a target on the backs of all females.
Even if you rape us and leave us on the side of a road, you still have more rights than we do. You can still decided what we can do with our body. We don’t. Not anymore.
May all those men and women in SD who support and voted for this – may they be the first to find the bruised and bloody body of an American woman who had no choice.
there is so much that follows a rape. The individual nightmare of exquisite uniqueness that binds us in our loneliness afterwards as well as our healing forever.
But I did not have to confront the extra burden of worrying about pregnancy or abortion.
I did however know and was told several times that I’d been raped once. I would only be raped again if I took it to court. That was my shadow. My darkness.
No justice be at least there wasn’t a concern about my medical needs regarding pregnancy.
Side note without particulars: The law regarding abortion was on my side. It’s just that I was injured so badly it wasn’t ever thought I could concieve.
There are times when I don’t think on it at all. I know it’s somehow a part of me but yet isn’t. I know it’s part of what makes me radiate so much passion yet it isn’t and also is what makes me a instant fighter in the face of even the slightest infraction of safety.
I know that I have scars. Some are apparent and some still haven’t arisen after 20 years.
After the recent attempted break in of my apartment last week, it still came a bit of a shock that there was more scarring aftermath to deal with from that terrible night so long ago. I even got angry at my husband for not realizing what I myself didn’t realize… I have scars that will never go away. They heal, they conform,… but they don’t go away and sometimes they change.
I’ve only once before got close to writing about the night and standing in the ER with a friend’s dad’s coat wrapped around me… the stares. The silence.
Somedays it doesn’t feel like it happened to me. Other days… like this week… it seems like it will never stop.
I don’t know what to say, DJ. You are my hero. You’re so damn strong and passionate and you have a giving spirit that makes everyone around you feel good.
{{{{Janet}}}}
Bless you Janet. All of what you said is so true. I have moved on with my life. I really don’t even think about that time very often. I have a wonderful, loving, deep connection with my son. We bask in the glory of who the other is all of the time. He is that person I tell everything to.
I feel so incredibly blessed to have come out whole and to have regained the passion, the utter joy I carry with me in my life.
It’s only been in the past few months and weeks that it rose to the surface again. I knew opening it up would make me feel raw. I knew I would spend days and nights crying again. The tears are for that young girl who lost her way but they are also for the young girls that will be forced to scar their bodies just as I did. It fucking breaks my heart.
I just have to have the confidence in all of you that you have or will read my other diaries and/or comments and know that who I am in these diaries isn’t the whole of who I am now.
I’m so sorry that you are a part of the community that knows these scars.
Somedays it doesn’t feel like it happened to me. Other days… like this week… it seems like it will never stop
I did however know and was told several times that I’d been raped once. I would only be raped again if I took it to court. That was my shadow. My darkness.
That’s so exactly it. We spend most of our time in the light now because we had the chose to choose it but the darkness never goes away completely.
Hugs to you. Yours is such a beautiful soul. Hugs to CAL too, and just hugs to everyone that has a sense of understanding about this.
I was date raped in high school, before it was really acknowledged as being a ‘thing’. I’m pretty damn sure than my subsequent pregnancy at 18 and then abortion came of that event. My mind won’t let me know that clearly, all I do know is that I said ‘No’. More than once. Once should be enough.
It was years and into a marriage later than I could even recognize it as such. Thankfully, I had a loving husband who knew several rape victims and knew the signs of such a thing, as our relationship was suffering because of it. He helped me re-live those events, as painful as they were, and understand what they were doing to me in the present day. I have since conquered those underlying emotions, and have come to find my true self in the meantime. But it did affect me, and yes, it does to this day. No matter how much I have ‘dealt’ with it, it is and will be a part of me. I was a little girl at the time, I could have been more adament, I just didn’t know…
I had a counselor once, male, (sorry SS), tell me I was not raped. I felt like smacking him in the face. I still do to this day. There is really no way to describe that situation, as much as I recognize how ‘benign’ mine was, it was still a violence against me. And it continues to be, against women, and I hate that. As much as I hate to hate anything, I do hate that.
But thank you to all for sharing. I do feel it is important to do so, so that our stories are not lost…
This is a continuation of the tragedy rape is. There is so much shame involved but little in the way of blame. Even though it was a family friend who raped me when I was nine and even though his mother walked into the room and caught him and even though my parents saw my bloody clothes and bruised body we never spoke of it. It was as if a nice hot bath took care of it and washed it away. The fact that my parents didn’t insist on him being prosecuted adds to the shame I was willing to take on. It definitely added to feeling less safe in the world.
Actually, what my parents said was, “why did you let him do it?” My mother also told me when I was 16 that there was something about me that made men want to have sex with me, it was the way I walked or the way I talked but it was definitely me that was at fault.
I/ still do to this day. There is really no way to describe that situation, as much as I recognize how ‘benign’ mine was, it was still a violence against me./
There are so many reasons why rape is not spoken or or even acknowledged by young girls and women. The fact that few rapists serve prison time. The fact that the finger is pointed at the woman, what was she wearing, was she drinking, was she flirting, what was she doing to make a man do that?
I also die a little inside each time I hear women say their rape was ‘benign.’ There is nothing benign about any rape. It doesn’t matter what the circumstances are, it is a violation of your sense of self and of your body. It is violent. It is every bit as horrific as any other rape.
It’s amazing that any of us become vital, sexual, passionate, joyful women. The deck is stacked against us but somehow we rise to the ocassion and beyond, we live to see the day we talk about it in the hopes that someday we will live in a country that doesn’t turn it back onto us but that does something to stop the violence.
I’m so damned proud to be a woman. I feel blessed every single day to have been born a woman. I think we’re friggin’ fabulous, we’re magical, we’re majestic and often that is in spite of the things that have happened to us. That is the miracle.
I am so damn proud to be a woman, and to celebrate that. Yes, very true… For all the shit that we have taken, I wouldn’t have it any other way. Yes, it’s violent, always is. But dammit, that’s not going to get me down. It might have in a past life, but not now… No fucking way. We are miracles… Always will be…
What a man! Makes me hopeful about the future.
from as much as you have, and have a family. I treasure you!
I had a horrible job one summer while I was in grad school. The company I worked for had a contract to take closed DCFS (Department of Children and Family Services) case files and index them by mother’s name and children’s name. As part of that project, we had to read the files to determine who the children were and who the mothers were.
My childhood was no bed of roses, but I was horrified by what I read. I read about children being beaten, raped, burned, and murdered, often by their own parents. I read about abandoned babies who were born addicted to crack and who died, unloved and unnamed, in incubators. I read about a little girl who was locked in a closet for years, about children with improperly healed fractures, malnutrition, lice, and scabies. I read about mothers who had themselves been in the foster care system, mothers whose problems condemned their own children to the same fate.
To all those people who yell and holler about the unborn, the stem cells, the zygotes and the fetuses, I have one question. Where were you? Were you out protesting abortion and birth control while a little girl was being raped? Were you telling a reporter about how precious children are while a little boy was being beaten to death with a baseball bat? Were you stuffing you face with post-protest pancakes while a child starved in a dark closet?
Until these people show they give a damn about the women and children who are already in this world, their arguments fall on my deaf ears.
True and intense words you’ve written.
I’ve said for years that we need to take child abuse and bring it out of the closet, the awareness of it is buried in this society. We need to make it 3D, up close and personal.
IF we manage to do that, we can end it.
The current system hides the info you talked about from the general public. Why is that? The current system presumes that “it can’t be stopped”. That all we can do is “manage” and “document” the problem.
This is entirely wrong. It’s wrong because it condemns endless generations of children to being abused. It’s wrong because it sells our potential as humans short: This is the country that ended slavery.
We ended slavery — we can end child abuse. It’s just a matter of setting the goal and working towards it, instead of endlessly putting blinders on ourselves, and bandaids on the problem.
in the lives of children. Each and every one of us must reach out to those children around us. Whether it’s volunteering in a school, or simply helping the kids of neighbors, or helping an agency that helps kids.
We MUST do something directly to help kids. We can’t wait for society to get this in a big way.
As my first comment said, the very premise that our social services are founded on is broken. They’re NOT fixing things, they’re intimately involved in a dance that maintains the status quo.
We need to act ourselves.
There’s a girl who lives a few blocks from us who is almost 13 now. She and my youngest daughter were very close friends. There were a couple of times when my daughter came home with little comments about her friend telling her that her Mom was hitting her. Something that both my wife and I endured as kids that never got passed on to our kids. Anyway, I guess it was during a sleep over one night that the girl told my wife about some of the things her Mother did to her. My wife having been left unprotected by her own Mother to her childhood abuser decided that she would try and do something for this girl. She called child protective services on the family. They determined that the girls stories were made up. I’m not sure they are right but the result was that our daughter was no longer allowed over there nor was the girl permitted to have any contact beyond what was required in schooll, with our daughter. Our daughter was devistated by this. Especially when she thought she was doing the right thing. We reassured her that she had done the right thing. Another side consequence of this incident was that our older daughter, who was friends with a classmate who’s family rented an apartment from the original people was told, her family was told, that our older daughter wasn’t allowed over there either, otherwise they risked eviction.
Real nice huh?
Personally I think the girl was being abused. That’s obvious just in the way her Mother lashed out at our children.
So there are risks to getting involved, but there are bigger risks to the child who is being abused if you don’t get involved.
Your daughter did the right thing, and you did the right thing. She might need a few years and maybe to become a mother until she knows for sure that she had to tell.
by the power of your words, your story
as I tried ineptly the other day to say — you have a remarkable talent, through the story, the personal, of making human & real the abstract
(or again today)
congrats (sounds weird)
thank you (smarmy)
I’ll just respectfully slip off into the silent shadows . . .
I just want to add this to the discussion that has been ongoing here with this diary and the first one.
What if the men that are trying to ban abortions completely, the very ones who dictatorially tell us if we’re the victims of rape or incest, or if our health will be compromised or if we are in danger of losing our lives, that none of those matter, what if those men used all their power, connections and wealth to end violence against women in this country?
What if those men stayed up at night pondering how to decrease the numbers of women who suffer at the hands of men? What if they thought the statistics were beyond the pale, what if they took to heart that 9594.5 women are beaten every single day in this country by their husband or significant other? What if they couldn’t stand knowing that every five minutes a rape is reported in this country? What if they did the math in their heads that only 20% of rapes are ever reported?
What if those men spent their lives, their political capital in waging a war against the men who beat and rape us? What if those men told their lobbyists to stop sending them to Scotland to play golf but instead insisted they lobby for the abolishment of rape and violence in this country?
What if their faith told them to stop the violence in God’s name?
What if they started to work for us instead of against us? What if their war was to protect us instead of sacrificing us?
Now wouldn’t that be something?
I’d like to see a world wide one like that.
My thoughts exactly, my good man, wouldn’t that be something?
It was mostly men, in the beginning, who got me through some of the bad stuff. The women I turned to were’nt the most… liberal women on earth. I had a fantastic boyfriend, who knew and he was almost the one I married… LOL … anyways there are some great guys out there who are teaching their sons, who are reaching out and standing up π I embrace them and encourage them to fight with us and educate their male friends.
But to add to your point: Here’s my two pennies. Alot of those “men” who are so opposed to abortion for any reason are, let’s face it – bible belt zealots. And their bible is pretty violent when it comes to the treatment of women and children. I know I know not all see the bible that way. But let’s face it – the Christian bible is fucking barbaric. We women just by BEING are evil. So their G-d or idea of G-d isn’t going to direct them to anything positive.
I’m still in shock that SD thinks rapists should have rights to their victims fetus. Rape isn’t about sex or about procreation. It’s a crime of violence, a crime of trying to exert control and power over another.
People who think rape is about sex – what were you wearing?? – should ask why most are little old ladies who get their brains bashed in while being raped.
I’m sure those lovely folks in SD are sure that “their women are the type to get themselves in such type of trouble”… ACK.
Again thank you for this healing avenue of tears and triumphs.
I think one solution is to not settle for less than. We’re at war. War against the Red Regime.
Janet … I love this.
I think one solution is to not settle for less than. We’re at war. War against the Red Regime.
That says it all, brava.
I had my children pre-Roe, the last in 1972 just before the SCOTUS decided that women had the right to choose. My first daughter was planned – and as soon as I was pregnant (and trapped by his view), my now ex started running around and being a less than ideal husband. I remember standing at the bathroom mirror, crying and pounding on my stomach in hopes of causing a miscarriage. It didn’t work. After she was born, I adapted. He left for a while and then came back – at the time (the late 60s) divorce was still a iffy prospect and something that had never occurred in my family, so I stuck it out. In the old saw, I’d made my bed, so I had to lie in it. By the early 70s, I’d had enough and was almost ready to leave, when I found that the pill had failed me and I was once again pregnant and trapped. That time I not only tried beating my stomach but I can remember one very cold snowy night when I seriously thought about walking out into the cold to the end of the street into the old orchard and quietly going to sleep. Suffice it to say that my love for my eldest kept me there. It took me another decade to finally leave and get away from a man who felt that my body was his property to use any time and any way that he wished including what is now known as marital rape. My daughters are grown now – they both have Master’s degrees and are successful in their chosen fields. I have a granddaughter. I don’t want any of them to ever feel the suffocating feeling of being trapped by their body or by being a woman. I’ve voted my uterus for the last 26 years since the GOP decided that women were second class citizens. I identify myself as a fiscal conservative, a social moderate and a flaming liberal on women’s issues. Thank you for your diaries.
I have an update on the girl my son knows who is pregnant and doesn’t want to tell her parents.
She has told people that, since our state requires parental permission for abortions, she is planning to stop eating and smoke a lot.
This is the kind of thinking that immature kids resort to when they feel trapped. As abortion care becomes more difficult to obtain we are undoubtedly going to see young girls trying all sorts of dangerous things in an attempt to force this thing out of them. That’s how they think.
Obviously I am going to do what I can to see that she is at least informed as to her choices. I don’t feel I can do anything more, but I may rethink that depending on what else I hear.
Another member of the sisterhood here. My "sex education" (and training about my role as a female) ran from age 6 to age 13, with refresher courses provided via rape at age 16, and 32. The last resulted in a pregnancy I’m grateful to say ended itself in a miscarriage.
Until the day comes when men are not setting all the rules and roles for everyone, I do not see this changing. Until enough men step up to change other men I don’t see this changing. Until there is a deep and lasting shift in the power imblance between men and woman , I don’t see this changing.
Until then, women are not safe in America and that is a flat out fact.
Caliberal, I’ve waited to comment here. I’ve read your powerful diary. And though I am a man, I do understand what you are saying.
This story began some time ago, early in my marriage. At that time, my wife and I had discussed our preferences regarding children. She stated her desire to have 2 children, I indicated that I wanted one. We left it at that as we were not anywhere near ready to become parents.
After some years of marriage, my wife and I were able to finally conceive our son. While he was still very young, we were surprised to find that we had again conceived. And my wife began to panic. Though she had originally wanted a second child, she found that one child was already too much to handle. She had no desire for another. But I too found that I had changed. After experiencing the love I felt for our son, having a second child had a great appeal to me. In fact I wanted that child very much. But I recognized that I could not force this child upon my wife. And I did not want her to carry guilt for any decision she might make. So, I never offered an objection, never stated my true feelings. Until recently She had only the vaguest sense of my thoughts. And even then when we discussed it years after the fact, I curtailed my statements. Thankfully, she has moved past this with seemingly no lasting effects.
I still sometimes think about the sibling that my son might have had and feel a sadness. I do not share these feelings with my wife.
I posted about this previously in a comment to a Madman diary some time ago, after many comments had been made in the thread. I actually lashed out at Second Nature and Marisacat for comments that seemed insensitive at the time. Perhaps I was being too sensitive. Funny, how of all the comments I’ve made at this damned blog, I can’t get the ones from that thread out of my head.
I remember that and I made an insensitive remark before you wrote of your experience. I felt bad about it in light of your experience and it made me think more about the feelings that men have and how it feels to be excluded from that decision. I still think that it is exclusively a woman’s decision, but I can now be more thoughtful about the man’s feelings.