Update [2006-3-23 8:47:5 by howieinseattle]: Matt Stoller says this in
“Mattering on Censure”—
I’ve been in and out of meetings and the gist of what I hear is that the conventional wisdom on censure is moveable. Senators were stunned and angry that Feingold didn’t tell them what he was going to do (and that he called them spineless), but they are moving to the need for a strong investigation. This is still not enough. Glenn Greenwald has a post on this. The President broke the law, and the Republicans are scurrying away from warrantless wiretapping as quickly as they can. Now, the extent to which he broke the law isn’t clear, because there has been no investigation (the GOP is stonewalling that, of course). But that he broke the law is clear, and a censure would demonstrate clearly that the Senate takes its oversight role seriously. And a censure does not preclude an investigation.
Jane has a way for us to make an impact on this. Show up. It’s recess week and Senators are at home. You can make a difference here.”
Stoller quotes Jane Hamsher, who says showing up in person will add to the messages they are receiving in support of censure and will demonstrate that we are not “just keyboard phantoms spamming them with email.”
“Anybody who didn’t see Russ Feingold on the Daily Show tonight needs to do so (Crooks & Liars has the video.) He truly comes off as a man who has the confidence of knowing he did the right thing when everyone around him was doing the Bob Shrum shuffle into the center, standing up for what he believed in while others were too preoccupied with calculating their own political futures to bother.”-from the post on Firedoglake.
And here’s a blurb from the AP story in The La Crosse Tribune(WI) :
““A lot of your Democratic colleagues are reacting as though you’re Jack Abramoff and you have a casino you want to talk to them about,” Stewart joked, referring to the disgraced lobbyist.
Feingold, who has accused his Democratic colleagues of “cowering,” said it was important for the party to show some backbone.
“How many times are we going let George Bush and (Vice President) Dick Cheney say, ’You guys don’t support the troops. You’re not patriotic,’ and let them push us around?” asked Feingold, whose appearance was via satellite from Milwaukee. “We have to stand up to them.”
Stewart played a clip from a recent news conference of House Majority Leader John Boehner, in which the Ohio Republican said of Feingold, “Sometimes you begin to wonder if he’s more interested in the safety and security of the terrorists as opposed to the American people.”
After the audience groaned, Stewart asked, “How long have you been working with the terrorists, and are they nicer than they seem?”
“Oh no, they’re a bad bunch,” Feingold said, laughing.
Feingold conceded that a member of his own family questioned the proposal.
“My daughter called me up and said, ’Dad, what are you doing? This thing hasn’t been done since the 1830s,’ so it takes some explaining,” Feingold said.
“That’s what I like about you, senator,” Stewart said. “You’re kicking it old-school.”
I knew I was missing something while spending the evening editing a paper a couple students and I will be presenting in a couple weeks. So it goes. Thank goodness for Crooks & Liars!
That’s great. I wish we could get a Feingold-Obama ticket for 08. At least they wouldn’t be afraid to challenge the rigged outcome.
OBAMA!!!???
Whadda you…KIDDIN’ me or what?
He’s got a picture of Chuck SCHUMER plastered on his bathroom mirror.
Check him out.
The Not-So-Great Compromiser.
Really.
Why?
Just because he’s black, young, fairly intelligent and good looking?
Please.
You want a good black running mate for Feingold?
John Conyers.
In fact…let Feingold pay HIS dues for a while and run Conyers for President, Feingold for VP.
(I know…never happen. He’s too old. He’s too…well, lets’s face it. He’s too old-school middle class activist black. Too MLK Jr., not enough Fresh Prince of BelAir. What BULLSHIT!!!)
Obama.
PLEASE!!!
AG
you’re being a prick again, AG. Double standard? You bet. You can be a prick to me, but I can’t let you be a prick to other members.
You can make a point about Obama without being insulting to people that like him.
I insulted no one.
I called no one a fool.
I did not curse.
I wrote only “Whadda you…KIDDIN’ me or what?”
In MY neighborhoods, that’s a legitimate question, expressed in a legitimate way.
“The YANKEES!!!? Whadda you…KIDDIN’ me or what?”
I simply expressed myself idiomatically. And strongly.
I called no one a prick, either.
Check YOURSELF out, BooMan.
Where I’m coming from, “Whadda you…KIDDIN’ me or what?” will more than likely get you a jocular answer.
However, calling someone a prick could get serious.
Quickly.
Check YOURSELF out.
AG
relax. try to be less of a Bronx jeerer.
I have to modilfy my Jersey attitude all the time.
Why?
Modilfy your Jersey attitude?
Why?
Be yo’se’f.
The first and greatest lesson of jazz.
AG
You know…I was about to go do my REAL work, but this just lodged in my craw so I’m going to have to have some more to say about it.
Obama is a PERFECT example of why your precious Democratic Party is headed straight for the tubes, BooMan.
Change the shape or the color of the cup and pour the same compromised water into it once again.
The New Yorker
“I haven’t read it” (Obama)
What is HE??? Kiddin’ me, or WHAT!!!???
“”I haven’t read it” my ASS.
And then you get on ME for pointing this out?
Pointedly.
Idiomatically.
But NOT insultingly. (Except perhaps to Obama, who could USE a swift kick or two.)
Please.
The whole Democratic PARTY could use some idiomatically correct straight talk.
You want to win in ’06?
’08?
Put someone up there who will turn, look the Rats right in the eye and say (perhaps a VERY slightly censored version of) “You LYING MOTHERFUCKERS!!! You child-killing, thieving, prevaricating, incompetent sons of BITCHES!!! How DARE you try to steal this country out from under the noses of the working people who built it!!!”
Do THAT…and you will win.
Big.
Truman-style
“I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.” Harry S. (The Buck Stops Here) Truman.
RUN ONE TRUE MAN (OR WOMAN) UP THE FLAGPOLE AND THE WHOLE DAMNED COUNTRY WILL STAND UP AND SALUTE.
Do not, and you can kiss this country’s ass goodbye.
Enough prevarication, BooMan.
Whadda you…KIDDIN’ me or WHAT!!!?
AG
The number of Republican voters that would vote for that ideal (Feingold) is staggering.
I hope that isn’t snark, rumi.
Because it’s true.
Let me tell you…in the white, working class heartland…???
Bush’s so-called BASE?
They know a four flusher when they see one.
They voted for BushCo because they presented a less four-flushing front that did GoreCo and KerryCo.
DemRatCo.
Bet on it.
Better four flush bluffers. That was the only difference.
Give ’em a truth-teller?
Someone who is REALLY “on their side”?
They’ll hear it.
In a heartbeat.
Landslide time.
AG
…Give ’em a truth-teller?
Someone who is REALLY “on their side”?
They’ll hear it.
In a heartbeat.
Landslide time.
Yup. I could see this some time ago and a lot of the current talk is familiar to what I served up that became skeet.
😀
I’m just glad to hear it now.
Me too.
AG
Russ is the one, if anyone can be. His censure resolution called bullshit on everyone and forced the issue into discussion. He also forced all of the players to take a stand one way or the other. He’s taking the stand of representing us.
I was wrong though in thinking more mainstream politicians would have come around by now. They just keep on handing over their lunch money and knocking on the inside of the locker door.
RoR
Yup.
Mainstream media. too.
Google Headlines (2PM, EST, 3/23/06):
Activists rescued in Iraq
Basque separatists renounce violence
Dell-ienware: Dell Buys Alienware
Sony online gaming to debut with PS3
Bonds homers, Soriano plays left field
Inside Denzel
Humans a hostile host to bird flu
Commonwealth Games
Basque separatist group ETA
Gordon Brown
Sonia Gandhi
Abu Ghraib Norman Kember
Adam Vinatieri
Windows Vista
Players Championship
Zacarias Moussaoui
Western leaders step into case of Afghan Christian convert
Ferry service off-schedule for week
Kansas lawmakers override veto on concealed guns
Sonia quits Lok Sabha and as NAC Chairperson
Sgt. Michael J. Smith sentenced to six months
Etc., etc., etc.
And finally…
Low Polls Have Bush Stumping for Support
Search the first 10 stories of all 193 related…first 10 “in order of relevance” (1,137 related stories in the Bonds homers, Soriano plays left field section, by the way. Bread and circuses, baby. Bread and circuses.) for the word “Feingold”?
Nada.
Zip.
Mostly approvingly slanted stories, including this great old hit from the Ayn Rand songbook, courtesy of the “liberal” NY Times:
I mean…MAYBE they’re making fun of him. But I think not, myself, Aunt Hilda in Great Neck ain’t gonna get it anyway.
The fix continues.
ONLY way to break a fix?
Drag it into the daylight.
Or disobey the Bosses’ orders.
And win.
Risky, that one.
As in “Bada-BING!!!”
We shall see…
All too soon, we SHALL see.
AG
How possitively refreshing; someone who isn’t afraid to put his balls on the line. Go ahead, call him unpatriotic, call him a terrorist sympathizer, it’s not going to work anymore.
If there is any Democrat who knows what it takes to “Lance the Boil” of corporate theocracy from our body politic it’s Russ Feingold.
from the new york observer
I hope that ppl finally get a clue! Good article to reinforce this thought.
Good diary. hugs.
thanks, I needed that.
…and then we find this from our lovable KEN the boy in the wonderland of republican hogwash. They are worried…I can see it, hear it, smell it!
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Dear xxxxxxx,
The word is out. Their position is clear. Last week, Sen. Russ Feingold floated a reckless plan to censure the President, and some Democrat leaders have ecstatically jumped on Feingold’s bandwagon.
And, if they gain even more power in November, they won’t stop there.
Feingold says that censure actually represents “moderation” and calls the terrorist surveillance program an impeachable offense. Dick Durbin, the number two Democrat in the Senate, fails to rule out impeachment if Democrats retake Congress. Iowa Democrat Tom Harkin is talking “high crimes and misdemeanors.” And 31 House Democrats are calling for a committee to look into impeachment. Their leader? John Conyers, who would become House Judiciary Committee chairman under Democrat control.
The Democrats’ plan for 2006? Take the House and Senate, and impeach the President. With our nation at war, is this the kind of Congress you want? If your answer is a resounding “NO”, I need you to make an urgent contribution to help us win this fight.
http://www.GOP.com/WinThisFight/
Democrat leaders’ talk of censure and impeachment isn’t about the law or the President doing anything wrong. It’s about the fact that Democrat leaders don’t want America to fight the War on Terror with every tool in our arsenal. Your immediate action will send these reckless Democrats a message and help preserve our Republican majorities.
http://www.GOP.com/WinThisFight/
And what happens if we stand on the sidelines, and give the likes of Russ Feingold, John Kerry, and John Conyers control of Congress? Here’s what the The Wall Street Journal says: “In fact, our guess is that censure would be the least of it. The real debate in Democratic circles would be whether to pass articles of impeachment. … [E]veryone should understand that censure and impeachment are important — and so far the only — parts of the left’s agenda for the next Congress.”
http://www.GOP.com/WinThisFight/
The world is watching. Using every tool at our disposal to fight terrorists should not be a partisan issue. Democrats should to be focused on winning the War on Terror, not undermining it with political axe-grinding of the ugliest kind.
Sincerely,
Ken Mehlman
Chairman, Republican National Committee
P.S. Russ Feingold’s censure resolution and Democrat talk of impeachment have raised the stakes for 2006. Make your contribution, sign the petition, and help make sure this fight is won.
http://www.GOP.com/WinThisFight/
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make sure to save that letter, Brenda. It will be a keepsake, for sure.
….and then there is this too, booman, from fact check.org
RNC Mischaracterizes Feingold’s Censure Resolution
A GOP radio ad falsely characterizes Sen. Feingold’s censure resolution as reprimanding the President for pursuing Al Qaeda
March 21, 2006
Summary
A GOP radio ad accuses Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin of proposing to censure President Bush “for pursuing suspected members of al Qaeda,” which isn’t true. Feingold has stated he supports wiretapping suspected terrorists. His measure would censure Bush for ordering wiretaps on US soil without a court warrant, for failing to notify all members of the Senate and House intelligence committees, and for “efforts to mislead the American people” about the legality of the program.
Analysis
The Republican National Committee (RNC) released the radio advertisement on March 21. The RNC would not disclose how much they spent on the ad, but an RNC spokesperson said the advertisement is scheduled to run for a week on Wisconsin radio stations.
RNC AD: “Censure”
Announcer: September 11th changed our country.
And it changed how America responds to terrorists.
President Bush is working to keep American families safe.
Passing the PATRIOT Act which has disrupted over one hundred and fifty terrorist threats and cells making sure the US is monitoring terrorist communications.
But some Democrats are working against these efforts to secure our country, opposing the PATRIOT Act and terrorist surveillance program.
Their leader is Russ Feingold.
Now Feingold and other Democrats want to censure the President. Publicly reprimanding President Bush for pursuing suspected members of al Qaeda.
Some Democrats are even calling for President Bush’s impeachment.
Is this how Democrats plan to win the War on Terror?
Call Russ Feingold and ask him why he’s more interested in censuring the President than protecting our freedom.
Paid for by the Republican National Committee not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee http://www.gop.com.
The Republican National Committee is responsible for the content of this advertising.
The ad characterizes President Bush as “working to keep American families safe,” while accusing Sen. Feingold of leading Democrats who are “working against . . . efforts to secure our country.” The ad claims that “Feingold and other Democrats want to censure the President. Publicly reprimanding President Bush for pursuing suspected members of al Qaeda.” That is a false characterization.
Mischaracterizing the Censure Resolution
When Feingold introduced his resolution to censure the president on March 13 he stated clearly on the Senate floor:
Feingold: No one questions — no one questions — whether the government should wiretap suspected terrorists. Of course we should and we can under the current law.
He also stated in a March 12 press release :
Feingold: This issue is not about whether the government should be wiretapping terrorists — of course it should, and it can under present law.
The resolution would censure Bush for the way in which he ordered wiretaps, not for the wiretaps themselves. It would condemn him for “unlawful authorization of wiretaps of Americans within the United States without obtaining the court orders required ” (emphasis added), and also for “failure to inform the full congressional intelligence committees,” and for “his efforts to mislead the American people” about the legalities of the program.
Feingold and the PATRIOT Act
The radio ad says the PATRIOT Act “has disrupted over one hundred and fifty terrorist threats and cells,” a claim that rests solely on statements from the Department of Justice and which hasn’t been independently verified. The ad also says Feingold is leading Democrats in “opposing the PATRIOT Act and terrorist surveillance program.”
The surveillance program is separate from the Patriot Act, however. It is true that Feingold has twice opposed enactment of the PATRIOT Act. In 2001, Feingold was the only Senator to vote against the original act and in 2006 he was one of ten Senators who voted against the bill that renewed the act with modifications. Feingold says on his website : “the [PATRIOT] Act contains many provisions that are needed to help protect our nation against terrorism,” and says he voted against the act because “the bill went too far in allowing the government to obtain personal information about law-abiding Americans and in undermining constitutional rights and protections.” As for the surveillance program, as we’ve noted, Feingold does oppose the nature of Bush’s program but not surveillance of suspected terrorist.
Who is Calling for Impeachment?
The ad also says that “some Democrats are even calling for President Bush’s impeachment .” That’s true, but there aren’t many. Rep. John Conyers introduced a bill last December to create a select committee to “make recommendations regarding grounds for possible impeachment.” As of March 21, Conyers had attracted 31 additional sponsors.
Republicans hope to convince voters that Democrats intend to impeach the President if they gain control of Congress. Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said March 20 on CNN’s Situation Room: “the [impeachment] talk originally came up from a number of different people, including John Conyers, a gentlemen who if the Democrats took control, would be the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. And what I think is important for people to understand is this is their agenda.”
— by Emi Kolawole
Sources
Congressional Record, 13 March 2006, S2011-S2015.
“Feingold Introduces Resolution Censuring the President,” Press Release. 12 March 2006.
“Fourth Year of War in Iraq Begins; Could Democrats Launch Impeachment Campaign Against Bush?” The Situation Room. CNN. Transcript. 20 March 2006.
“RNC Release New Radio Ad Entitled ‘Censure’.” Press Release. 21 March 2006.
U.S. House of Representatives, 109th Congress, 1st Session, H.Res. 635, Proposed 18 December 2005.
U.S. Senate, 109th Congress, 2nd Session. Senate Vote No. 29
U.S. Senate, 109th Congress, 1st Session. Senate Vote No. 313
U.S. Senate, 109th Congress, 2nd Session, S.Res. 398, Proposed 13 March 2006.
I watched last night and positively, without a doubt think we need to get on the phones to our reps 24/7 until they get behind Russ. How can there possibly be only three Senators that will stand together on this. It is time the Dems stopped letting the Repugs define them.
Also, the Senate is on break this week and at home. If you live near their offices pay them a visit in person. Russ speaks for me. If he does decide to run in 08 he has my vote. I so respect what he is doing…putting truth and justice, country and constituents before politics and what he can get out of it.
At the end of his interview last week with Russert he was asked if he was going to run in 08. Russ replied(paraphrasing) Tim, I would gladly give up running in exchange for holding this administration accountable. What a True Patriot looks like to me!
You’re missing it, aloha.
You write:
“How can there possibly be only three Senators that will stand together on this. It is time the Dems stopped letting the Repugs define them.”
There is only one major party, now.
The DemocRatpublican Party.
If you needed ANY more proof of this…and you really should not, after the “Dems” ran and hid during 2004 election theft and aftyer all they almost all hopped on the Iraq Invasion boat…then here it is.
There IS an “opposition” party that is contained within the mainstream DemocRats…Conyers, Feingold, a few others, maybe Dean if he wasn’t so committed to trying to save the party from itself…and there is a HUGE opposition voter base just WAITING to erupt given a viable candidate.
Which I will GUARANTEE the DemocRats will not provide.
Our only hope is that SOMEONE…and Feingold looks like the man, right now…will see this and sweep the primaries and FORCE the party into some form of real “opposition”.
Which would be a task that made Hercules’ pissing clean of the Augean stables look like a minor achievement in comparison.
Failing that…or realizing the relative impossibility of ever achieving that goal, given the depth of control that corporate money already has over the party…the only other chance is a third party.
THE NEW PARTY IN ’08!!!
We shall see…
AG