The LA Times is reporting that some rx’s are costing more under Medicare D(isaster)!!!
Martin Brower was reluctant to enroll in Medicare D(isaster), but he did. When he went to pick up his rx’s, he found out that they would actually cost him more than he had paid w/o Medicare D!
When Brower, 77, plunked his official card on the counter at Costco to pick up his regular prescription, however, he got some disturbing news: His monthly supply of blood pressure medication would cost less if he didn’t use his Medicare plan.
The plan allowed him a maximum of 30 pills for $1.32 each. Without it, he could get 100 pills for $1.13 apiece.
Brower is no longer using Medicare D(isaster), as the plan saves him nothing.
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Seniors who are reasonably healthy, middle-class and do not take a lot of expensive rx’s — realize that after premiums, co-payments, coverage gaps and other costs are figured in, the Medicare D(isaster) drug prices are little better, and sometimes worse, than prices at a lower-budget pharmacy.
Former president of the California Pharmacists Assn., Ralph Saroyan, assumed that he chose the best plan for his mother as she needs some expensive DAW rx’s. However, that Medicare D(isaster) plan’s affiliated pharmacy claimed its reimbursement wasn’t enough to cover name brands, only generics. In addition, Saroyan realized that the co-pays were $18 for each monthly maximum of 30 pills, plus the monthly cost of the premiums. If those rx’s were purchased w/o Medicare D(isaster) they would cost $25.
Pharmacists are unable to tell what a plan’s so called “negotiated price” is until the rx billing is entered into a computer. Prices vary according to which plan, which formulary, if a rx is obtained via mail order, and if it is generic.
A review by the Senior Action Network, a grass-roots advocacy group in San Francisco, found that Costco’s prices on the top 100 drugs used by Medicare beat prices of all 48 plans in California in more than half the cases.
According to David Grant, the network’s health policy director,
“Seniors still ask, ‘How come the drugs cost more with insurance than if I just go to Costco and buy them?’ ‘Why is it better to pay more and get less?’ “
According to a report released by Henry Waxman,
Prior authorization requirements, step-therapy provisions, and volume limits by the vast majority of Medicare drug plans restrict access to formulary drugs. The Medicare data show that 97% of plans place either prior authorization or step therapy requirements on at least one of the 100 most popular drugs, with the average plan restricting access to over 10% of the popular drugs listed in its formulary.
This is what troubles most people, as is the requirement of Medicare D(isaster) that a person try generic rx’s, as opposed to what his/her dr. wishes to prescribe.
In addition, a Washington Post-ABC poll, discovered less than a third said they were saving a lot, and 26% said there were no savings.
CMS still insists that millions are saving money, and Medicare D(isaster)’s value can’t be measured strictly comparing rx prices, but also must include insurance coverage against illness/injury. Also, according to Leslie Norwalk of CMS,
The plans offer “meaningful and affordable” coverage and catastrophic insurance protection for as little as $2 per month in some states.
If one’s rx costs are more than $2,250 a year, he/she lands in the “doughnut hole,” and would be fully responsible forresponsible for the list price for rx’s. Under most Medicare D(isaster) plans, the “donut hole” is in effect until a one spends up to $5,100. 38% of all enrollees would fall into the “donut hole”, according to a study by the Commonwealth Fund, a nonprofit, nonpartisan foundation. The study also found that only 14% are expected to need catastrophic coverage.
Smaller surveys have found that better discounts overall are available outside of Medicare, such as at Costco, Drugstore.com, and particularly in government programs operated by the Department of Veterans Affairs and Medicaid, which negotiate volume discounts.
In January, the Democratic staff of the House Committee on Government Reform found that some Medicare D(isaster) plans were charging more for 10 top brand-name drugs that averaged 2% more than at Costco in Los Feliz, 4% more than at Drugstore.com, 61% more than in Canada (which caps prescription prices) and 78% more than the other federal programs.
Stephen W. Schondelmeyer (a professor of pharmaceutical management and economics at the University of Minnesota) discovered that Medicare plans’ prices did not differ much from those of typical retailers in one Minnesota ZIP Code.
AARP spokesman Steve Hahn,
“Not all plans will be cheaper all the time, but we’re looking at the overall mix and the value of the insurance. It’s very difficult to come up with a program for 44 million that would provide the corporate coverage you or I are used to for $5 to $10” co-payments.
No, it is not! Four words: SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE!!!
Here is another suggestion, Steve, address this: This is the second time LA Times noted that the AARP endorses the AARP MedicareRx Plan, operated by UnitedHealthcare and obtains undisclosed royalties for enrollments. Earlier, Larry Noble, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, has called for the AARP to make a full financial financial disclosure regrading that marketing arrangement.
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Hi Kid..especially good diary and roundup of the whole cost mess of getting drugs under this D for Disaster Plan.
Thanks. Are you doing ok?
Actually I had to go to the dr. 2 weeks ago for my 8 month blood panel to be done. Monitoring my b/p, cholesterol, thyroid, liver from the Ultram I take and so on. Which always come back ok…I take the lowest dose possible for the b/p and cholesterol-mine is the kind manufactured by my body not my diet which has always been almost completely cholesterol free food…just the way I’ve eaten for the last ten years or more.
Anywayyyyyyy….I happened to mention something about how my foot pain is so severe(has been for at least 30 years)that I almost never leave my apartment.(also have been numb for almost 20 years due to the nerve damage)..now I’ve mentioned I don’t like doctors more than once so seeing this doctor get all excited about thinking he could really help was a bit strange..while I was extremely skeptical but he went and got free samples that will last 2 months and gave them to me. He was just so excited it was kinda weird and it got me kinda of excited also …and I quite literally told him if this medication didn’t work like he said I was going to come in and shoot him..ha..He said he’d deserve it-if it didn’t work..like I said a bit strange.
He told me it was neurontin and I said that had been tried with me(about 8 years ago to no effect) and he insisted this was a vastly superior new type neurontin and it would work…sooooo we’ll see.
Of course the next thing is if it does work-and god I hope it helps-is if it will be covered if I get a prescription for it..I imagine it is extremely expensive. The time I had it prescribed 8 years ago for a month my sister had to pay for it-cost 260 dollars for one month..then it didn’t work.
I did find out this doctor thinks this whole drug plan is a disaster and he hates the fact that it is so confusing for old people so that’s a plus in his favor.
Well, I guess I rattled on quite a bit today didn’t I..and hope you are doing ok also.
It is the son of neurontin, released just as neurontin went generic (pure coincidence, of course). 😉
Lyrica was introduced to the market with a huge promotion: little cards entitling the bearer to a week’s supply absolutely free!
For some people, it works better than neurontin, and I hope that will be the case with you, and that no entity will oblige you to take neurontin for several weeks before agreeing to pay for it.
Other people say they cannot detect an improvement over neurontin.
My personal experience with it is that it “kicks in” faster than neurontin, but does not last as long, and because I require such an astronomical dose, and Lyrica is so new that there are no studies regarding higher doses, they prefer to give me neurontin, which can be taken by the pound as long as the patient does not object to being heavily sedated.
Given a choice of the “symptoms” of peripheral neuropathy and heavy sedation, guess which one I pick? ;D
Hi Duct..yes that is what it is..75mg’s twice a day. So what dosage do you take Mr. Niven.. I took one yesterday when I got home and one today so far…has made me a bit dizzy and I suspect more talkative.
My feet are not only numb but the nerve damage is starting to cause muscle wasting in legs. The real problem starts with the fact that my metatarsal arches under ball of feet do not work at all-don’t know how to explain it but it feels like no padding and knives coming up through toes-has been that way for almost 40 years-long before feet went numb. I have orthotics in shoes to relieve or help relieve that particular pain or I couldn’t walk at all. Why I haven’t been able to barefoot for over at least 20 years..
I am feeling lightheaded and as stated I think it’s making me extra talkative but hopefully not too boring. Talking too much about one’s health can start to make peoples eyes glaze over I know.
I have to be careful with any new drug also as this neuro disease somehow causes many bad reactions to drugs. Lot of them you can’t take so any new drug is always kind of a crap shoot.(I’ve ended up in the ER a few times due to drug reaction due to this neuro disease).
(I’ve ended up in the ER a few times due to drug reaction due to this neuro disease).
I’m glad you’re being careful, choc. That happened to me once with a new antibiotic (I suspect due to my autoimmune disease) and the ER doc was a real jackass about it.
She was all, “It’s not the drug.”
So I asked, “Well, what is it then?”
“I don’t know, but it’s not the drug.
“How do you know it’s not the drug?”
“Because that would be rare. Go home and take your next dose.”
Of course, a cursory search on the internet led me to the drug’s manufacturer, which clearly explained in terms even I could understand that my symptoms were most definitely being caused by the drug. ::eye roll:: My bill was almost $500.00 to be in the ER that night.
Because that would be rare
One of the problems that I have had w/my epilepsy is that when I was in my teens, I had a rare toxic reaction to an antiiconvulsant. And that reaction eliminated God-knows-how-many other anti-convulsants, as they were contra-indicated in case of reaction to a that particular rx.
Be careful.
Thanks, Street Kid.
I just could not understand why the woman seemed to think that a rare reaction was impossible. It made no sense. After it happened, I called a friend of mine who’s a doctor and she told me to get off that drug, and to tell my GP and pharmacies to mark down that I was allergic to that whole category (the ‘myacin family of antibiotics), and I followed her advice.
I can’t take them either! They are contra-indicated w/one of my anti-convulsants.
hey you sound like we may have had the same brand of stupid ER doctors(ha did I mention I hate doctors?).
I was still trying to work when this happened to me. I was in severe foot pain among other things and I had just taken a new med at work. I started to black out and face was going numb. Someone called my sister who came and rushed me to the ER. (I had not been diagnosed at that time with this neuro disease yet)Anyway the ER doctor checked heart rate etc etc while I was basically out of it…yet I thought I heard him say to my sister-‘take the drunky home and when it wears off she can go back to work and continue taking her pills’.
My sister got me out of there and said that yes that is what that prick said…when I called my doctor his nurse told me to flush the pills down the toilet.
I have since found out that when I am in the throes of basically a neuro attack my trying to take meds is very iffy. If in relative calm periods-like now-taking meds isn’t quite as problematic but still have to be careful. There’s a whole list of drugs you can’t take with this disease including mega doses of certain vitamins.
Grrr. That makes me so mad. I’m so sorry you were treated so badly! And it’s extra scary when you’re already sick and undiagnosed. I wasn’t diagnosed yet either when my thing happened, and while my ER doctor didn’t say anything, I suspect she thought I was high on something.
I have an anti-doctor bias, too — which I really wish I didn’t have, but after becoming chronically ill and then being chronically treated like crap by so many of them, it’s hard to avoid. You know how it is. Everyone who’s chronically ill knows how it is.
And I have the same thing with iffy reactions to meds when I’m in flares. It’s so common you’d think they’d be more aware of it. I want to make some snarky comment about how maybe they’re too busy going to fancy-shmancy Big Pharma conferences in the Caribbean, but I don’t want to offend the good doctors, and I have faith there might be some left…somewhere.
Damn, I lucked out–I got a good dr. who feels that the best thing for this country would be a single payer health care system.
Thanks Indy, and I wish I could say that was the worst I was ever treated but it isn’t even close. I’ve even had several doctors say flat out I was lying about my symptoms(this when my sister had to half carry me into doctors offices) or accuse me of being hysterical. There idea of hysterical is apparently to tell them that no I’m not lying…nor is my sister as she was included in this. Still not the worst story either. Except all that crap ended up in my so called medical records-which are a real joke of misinformation, mistakes and outright lies or personal shit like saying ‘she came in reeking of cigarette smoke’-so what asshole.
Oh I totally know what you mean, chocolate ink. A few have said the same thing to me.
And back when I was still undiagnosed, I once saw my GP’s (she’s not my GP anymore) husband, who was also her partner at their family practice, to get a refill of the xanax that his wife rxed for the horrible anxiety symptoms I used to have. (I now know that was due to high thyroid that they failed to diagnose.) And the man told me to my face that I was drug-seeking. What an asshole.
I was the one who finally figured out my autoimmune disease, and then I went in and demanded tests, which they fought me on, but when they finally gave me the tests, they came back diagnostic. I was much more gracious about it than I should have been.
I have to go pick up my records next week to take with me on my move back east, and I am afraid to even look in there.
Oh, you wouldn’t believe one of the problems that I have been having–this is so insane, it is unbelievabe! Due to my tbi, I have lost some range of motion and on my right side. I am also right handed. Anyway, I have trouble writing w/a pen/pencil and paper. On a computer, I am fine.
And, what is giving me the most trouble is when writing by hand is that I can’t write on lined paper, or official forms w/a bunch of lines or boxes on it–visual spacial perception is also limited–like a government form. Aslo, when I hold a pencil/pen and write by hand, it is too difficult. Seriously, that takes a lot out of me. I actually get a bit of a headache a/o floaters (sometimes) which are specks of light flashing in front of my eyes, when trying to do so.
To make a long story short, the holding of a pen and writing at the same time is what I can’t do. I have had to ask people to fill out paperwork for me, if I do it myself, I get a bad headache, or I miss a few things. That doesn’t happen on a computer.
Anyway, whenever people see traumatic brain injury, they automatically think that I need more tbi rehab and therapy and I don’t. I am just so sick of dealing with this nonsense, but all I want is more computer training, and I can’t get it!
They say one thing and do another. And expect me to be what I am not. Yeah, I have a tbi, but I am a hell of a writer. Focus on what I am good at, as opposed to looking for something that isn’t there.
Yes, you are one hell of a writer, and it is all the more impressive that you do what you do through the nature of your disability. I am so grateful to you for your coverage of the Medicare D(isaster), and I agree with Ductape, you really should be given some kind of serious award for it — if the award came with cash, you could use it for the computer training! 🙂
Thanks. Remember saying to DF at one time that w/all of the writing that I have been doing, I have never felt more productive in my entire life. Think that I may have finally found my niche.
Depending on which rx’s you take and what for, you may have to even be careful of what you eat! I can’t eat grapefruit/drink grapefruit juice as it neutralizes a different anti-convulsant and, as a result, it has no effect. (Doesn’t really bother me, I’m not that fond of grapefruit anyway.)
Another thing that you have to be careful of–some organic/herbal remedies, such as herbal tea, believe it or not. Double-check w/a pharmacist, I do. St. John’s wort is also contra-indicated for me w/a different rx that I take. (Almost bought some tea once!)
Think I got this pretty much down pat now, at least I hope–when in doubt, ask!
Good advice, Street Kid! It’s always good to ask someone who knows.
I learned that lesson the hard way, lol. I had a really bad reaction to St. John’s Wort and it made me so miserable that I am super careful about everything now. Plus, I’m allergic to soy, which is in practically everything so I’m obsessive about reading food labels, which helps me avoid sketchy things.
that is so true about certain foods and more importantly all those over the counter herbal and other home remedies. Many, many do not mix well with prescription drugs. As I mentioned even certain mega vitamin doses can actually cause more nerve damage for me.
I bought some multi-grain bread that had hops in it. Threw me for a loop, as hops also are contra-indicated!
There is a certain degree of brain fog, I make a lot more typos, etc. but it does take the edge off the discomfort, so the world can suffer through the typos. 😀
I only have numbness in some toe tips, talk as much as you like, you must practice for your old age, when you will, like me, have a responsibility to detail your every ache and pain, ill and pill to all who can hear your voice.
Don’t let those glazed eyes shut you up, do you have any idea how many people in the US are sleep deprived?
If you can master the art of rambling on endlessly about this or that body part, and all the various oses and opathies that it proudly boasts, you just might be helping those eye-glazed victims to obtain needed REM sleep, thus performing an important community health service and preventing auto and power tool accidents.
I don’t get the brain fog, even though I take a lot of rx’s. I’m resistant. The amount of anti-consvulsants that I take could knock another person for a loop, but not me. When I had to have surgery a few years back, the anesthiesologist was amazed that I wasn’t knocked out. I was just sitting there and chatting w/him. Had to give me another injection of something to knock me out for surgery, actually a larger than normal dose, IIRC, and it took longer than it was supposed to to take effect. Remember him saying, “Oh, you’re one of them.” (anesthetic resistant people)
the dentists order extra tanks when they see my name on the appointment book. 😉
last time that I went, I had to have a tooth pulled. Anesthetic wasn’t kicking in and the dentist had to take another patient before it took full effect!
Good grief-I’d be completely out of it I think with that dose-although sometimes that can be a good thing.
At least you gave me a laugh for the day and it’s always hard for me to laugh when talking about health, doctors etc.
I just took my second pill and am feeling a bit quesy and out of it again.
Now if only I could put myself to sleep…that also is a effect of my medical problem..in some people it causes extremely severe insomnia and I have bouts of that with more moderate sleeping problems all the time.
As to age I’m getting up there Mr.D..if anyone was keeping track I’m closing in on 60…which is always a damn shock to me when I look in the mirror I can tell you that.
wet dirt from the out of doors. If that does not take it away, stop taking it and tell your doctor it makes you queasy, and can you please have some compazine.
Nobody knows why certain anti-convulsants reduce neuropathy pain, or why they work better on some people than others, some people don’t even have to take any narcotics, they work so well.
I hope you will get over the queasiness by grounding yourself with dirt, and that the (son of) neurontin will be enough by itself.
I have to take 80 mg of OxyContin and I forget how many percocet 10s, and yes, it would knock most people (and elephants) out, but I am a grizzled old terrorist, and so it just makes me a bit foggy and increases typos, occasionally I have forgotten dates of things that happened a long time ago, or small details of things that happened not so long ago, but especially on warm days, the phone feels very pleasant against your ear after being refrigerated for a little while.
Nobody knows why certain anti-convulsants reduce neuropathy pain, or why they work better on some people than others, some people don’t even have to take any narcotics, they work so well.
That is not being taken into consideration under any medical plan. Insurance carriers are just looking at the costs and nothing else. I mean, a less expensive rx just won’t work for some people, like I said, mine have to be DAW. And my father was the same way!
According to my pharmacist and from other things that I have read, that is more common than realized. And no one is paying attention to that or taking it into consideration.
And, no one knows why some people are resistant and others aren’t. There is just too much that is still unknown about the human body.
your way…crossing fingers, toes, legs, and eyes that this is something that will work and improve your life.
Peace and Blessings
Still hanging in there.
Medicare D(eath) and Medicare D(ollars):
To reduce the number of non-profit/revenue stream producers, while at the same time increasing revenues of the pharmaceutical companies.
The second of these goals is already being accomplished, and the first will soon follow, as the non-producing units slated for elimination are priced out, gently guided by market forces toward their final destination.
Don’t forget the insurance carriers as well.
Just posted this one! MSM is pushing the hurry up and enroll type of articles now. But, it is possible to extend the enrollment period!!! It’s all here!
Thanks for talking about this medical stuff today-in my life away from this community other than my sister I don’t like to talk too much about my medical problems. Although people around me know about it it just gets to complicated sometimes or they just don’t understand. I look perfectly normal and healthy which I’ve mentioned before therefore I must be ok, right….
Duct, I’m feeling better now..but I’ll keep the dirt solution in mind. It’s funny but I have either a low tolerance for certain drugs or a very high tolerance for some-the trick has been finding out which is which.
Indy, do check your records carefully…if there are mistakes at least you will be aware of them..don’t know how far you’ll get at getting them corrected(I couldn’t).
Kid..the thing about your hands and writing really hits home. I’m the same way, for different reasons of course..I have lots of nerve damage in hands/arms and this makes the arm and hand muscles not want to work for very long when I try to write anything. Which I avoid at all costs. Writing more than a few checks is about it for my hands then they just give out…and also tires me out and I then can’t think. Computer is much easier although if I make too long of a post like this one, my arm lets me know I’m overworking the muscles. Downward pressure whether it’s my hands, legs even chewing becomes a problem.
My plan is to pick up all my records, go through them, pick out any notes that are wrong and shred them. 😀 The new doctors only really need my lab work and MRIs and stuff like that, and I know that’s true so if any of them argues with me, then I will keep looking for another doc.
Thanks for talking about this medical stuff today
Anytime, chocolate ink. Once I’m re-settled in Ohio, I’ll have new email, and I’ll make sure you have it. You can always feel free to drop me a line anytime you need to blow off steam or whatever.
Thanks Indy, I’ll keep that in mind.
I am in a battle w/a bureaucracy. And, those are difficult, if not impossible to win. Boston Joe gave me some advice earlier that I probably should have taken. Maybe it’s better late than never.
would be better for you. There are people typing who can’t move their hands at all, surely there is one that requires less muscular effort.
I use a low vision one, the keys all have huge letters. 🙂
Hey Choc, you might do well to look into the Dvorak keyboard. Physically it’s the same as a regular keyboard, but the keys are laid out differently. For one thing, the vowels are all in a row in the “home position” under the fingers of the left hand. The majority of the letters you would use when you’re typing are on the home row, which will minimize the amount of stress you’re putting on your hands and wrists.
And the best part is, you don’t have to buy a new keyboard unless you want one with the keycaps in the Dvorak position. All you have to do is tell Windows you want to use a Dvorak keyboard, and you are in business.
The downside of course is that you have to retrain your hands and brain to use the new layout instead of the old familiar QWERTY layout, but if it will keep your hands and arms from hurting, it’s probably worth it.
Just something to think about.
thanks for that idea, I’ll keep that in mind. Retraining my fingers and brain after all these years would probably one of those deals that is supposed to keep your brain alert-maybe a win/win situation.
I also look perfectly “normal” and I get the same damn thing–you don’t look like you have anything “wrong” w/you. And I have heard that from social service, “You’re one of those people that is trying to cheat the system.” I hate that. And, for me, the not being able to write is the most difficult, hell, for me a computer is a necessity. Especially constantly being told to go online and look for stuff, such as Medicare D(isaster).
I am really glad to have had the chance to talk about all of the medical stuff as well. Thanks to all, as it did me a lot of good.