Parents and citizens have been fighting a war. A war that has been engaged upon our children. The Red Regime’s No Child Left Behind has destroyed educational funding but it has accomplished one thing. It has allowed for the systematic stalking and molestation and is some cases actual kidnapping of our children.
Now… the Army of One are going after our disabled students.
From the Oregonian – An Army of one wrong recruit
Autism – The signing of a disabled autistic 18 year old Portland despite warnings reflects problems nationally for military enlistment.
This is what our country has become!?!?!?
“Last fall, Jared began talking about joining the military after a recruiter stopped him on his way home from school and offered a $4,000 signing bonus, $67,000 for college and more buddies than he could count.
Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice.
Recruiters in Portland and nationwide spend several hours a day cold-calling high school students, whose phone numbers are provided by schools under the No Child Left Behind Law. They also prospect at malls, high school cafeterias, colleges and wherever else young people gather.”
What is wrong with this country???
“Last month, Jared came home with papers showing that he not only had enlisted, but also had signed up for the Army’s most dangerous job: cavalry scout. He is scheduled to leave for basic training Aug. 16.”
I am so filled with rage.
Next time I see that piece of shit recruiter in the grocery store, the one that looks at me with such hate… I’ll give him an earful the military hadn’t trained him for.
These are not heros. They are warpigs “just following order?? Fuck them!
This is WAR!
[Free Jared Action Page http://tomjoad.org/freejared.htm]
Editing isn’t working: http://tomjoad.org/freejared.htm
Jared Guinther is a nice young man. He would make a nice neighbor. He is also moderately to severely autistic. This diagnosis should disqualify him from military service. First because it is doubtful he knows the risks he is taking. Secondly, because it is unlikely that he would have the ability to protect his comrades who will come under attack. Lastly, no one should be recruited for a war of aggression that was based on lies and deception.
Read the article and take action. Call the recruiters who misled and fraudulently permitted Jared to sign-up.
Eastport Plaza Shopping Center
4000 SE 82nd Ave, Suite 1100
Portland, OR 97266
503-257-9950 Ask for Cpl. Ronan Ansley or Sgt. Alejandro Velasco.
P
A word of caution. Do be advised that Sgt. Velasco has exhibited violent and inappropriate behavior, so keep that in mind if you are approaching him in-person.
Or you may send a message to the spokesman for the U.S. Army Recruiting Command
Email: Douglas Smith (502) 626-0164/0172
Demand that:
1. Jared be released from any commitment to the U.S. military.
2. He receive the funds fraudulently promised him for signing up. $4,000 for education.
3. That disciplinary action be taken against Cpl. Ronan Ansley and Sgt. Alejandro Velasco for their disservice.
With autism is he legally responsible for signing that contract – or can his parents override it?
They are really desperate now.
She said she begged Velasco to review Jared’s medical and school records. Brenda said Velasco declined, asserting that he didn’t need any paperwork. Under military rules, recruiters are required to gather all available information about a recruit and fill out a medical screening form.
“He was real cocky and he says, ‘Well, Jared’s an 18-year-old man. He doesn’t need his mommy to make his decisions for him.’ ”
This is totally ridiculous. I knew recruiters were desperate, but my god how far will they go.
“Brenda said she spoke to Cpl. Ronan Ansley and explained that Jared had a disability, autism, that could not be outgrown. She said Ansley told her he had been in special classes, too — for dyslexia.
“I said, ‘Wait a minute, there’s a big difference between autism and your problem,’ ” Brenda said.
Military rules prohibit enlisting anyone with a mental disorder that interferes with school or employment, unless a recruit can show he or she hasn’t required special academic or job accommodations for 12 months.
Jared has been in special education classes since preschool. Through a special program for disabled workers, he has a part-time job scrubbing toilets and dumping trash.”
We must stop this insanity on all fronts. The military and the Red Regime have too much power. This boy will die in Iraq.
No, Jared needs lying a sack of shit to do a mind-fuck on him so that the recruiter can make his monthly quota.
There are no more words…
For some reason we’re supposed to tip toe around the whole “Support the Troops” issues… so as to appear like good citizens. Wouldn’t want to be seen as not supporting the troops.
Support what exactly?
Yeah, I support they get their benefits, that their care and prosthetic reasearch not be cut. I support bringing their asses home.
I KNOW that the lawlessness, the war crimes, the prison abuse, torture, the revenge killings aka Haditha for ONE example… was a sympton of the non-agenda and the illegal occupation.
But that doesn’t mean I have to support lawlessness, war crimes, prison abuse, torture, revenge kilings. Because I deman accountability doesn’t mean I’m out there spitting on the troops.
I will wage war against the recruiters as they are lying to our youth to add fodder for the war machine. I will not “spit”. I will instead use my voice, the pen and the Constitution to fight them and what they are doing. Bush, his administration, their tactis and YES their lying recruiters do not have my support.
I will NOT be threatened into silence by the overwhelming fear tactics of “you don’t support the troops”.
Stop the killing.
Supporting the troops by any definition other than the extreme wingnut version doesn’t include supporting this kind of behavior from recruiters. I would guess that the vast majority of soldiers think recruiters are lying weasels too. Certainly every one that I have ever talked to does.
Thank you Shalimar, my husband who served…calls them “pieces of shit”.
This whole thing has eaten away at my husband’s soul. This is not the military he signed up for. He says he doesn’t recognize any of it at all. Haditha is what finally got him to march.
I’m retired military and retired long before any of this ever started. Even when I was in, I’d tell the new guys, this isn’t the military I joined.
The military I see now is nothing like what I saw and felt when I was in.
At this point they’ll do anything to get enough candidates to complete their quotas.
I am trying to figure out why a recruiter would even think that a person with autism could function in a combat military environment to begin with. These actions reflect a lack of character and it is sad to see. I hope that these recruiters receive bad conduct discharges since they can not follow the rules and regulations.
They don’t care. As boran2 said, they’ll do anything to meet their quota. If they don’t meet their quota their performance reports go down and they catch hell from their higher ups. They figure if the guy can sign his name then let the military doctors make the decision if they able or not. They figure it’s not their job to know if the guy will get himself and others killed. It’s their job to get a signature.
They Don’t Care!
Being a retired military officer, I just believe that “honor, commitment, trustworthy, and obedience,” mean NOTHING any more. I feel so ashamed and hurt that the current corp of military recruiters are stooping so low when they KNOW that they have rules and regulations that MUST BE FOLLOWED!
I agree with your observations but I just feel so hurt and disappointed!
Your post is almost for word what my husband has said about so many issues around the military. This is not the military he knew when he was enlisted.
He is now marching with Veterans for Peace.
It is so sad to believe that our military is losing their moral compass. I guess their actions reflect the leadership and that is disheartening to know.
If this continues, a real accident will occur and the results could end destroying lives for no reason. I fear there were more of this kind of dishonesty until a real leader steps in and demands real change.
This is one case and the article mentioned a few more. I’m betting there are thousands more of the military going after kids who should never be considered. It’s hard not to believe that the reason for recruiting these kids is because they are seen as the perfect cannon fodder.
of how the “insurgents” were using nmentally disabled kids as suicide bombers? Oh how this country rallied that we should kill all those terrible insurgents for doing such a heinous thing as using disabled kids… I wonder if the same people will be as upset of this? Probably not.
I am just sickened and so angry. Portland is having a huge counter-recruitment march…
May 8 – March and Rally — End Military Recruitment Abuse
5:00 pm
Starting at the fountain in Holladay Park on NE Multnomah
between 11th
and 13th avenues.
The group will be marching to the military recruitment center on Broadway between 13th and 14th and then to the Blanchard Education Service Center
at 501 N Dixon. We will be attending the School Board meeting in support of the resolution to End Military Recruitment Abuse.
Children, Students and Parents are especially welcome to join us!
For more information contact Recruiter Watch PDX
To go to this, I’d have to take both my kids on a school night and there’s a chance this could get ugly…
I won’t even try to tell you what to do, particularly since I know you will do what is best.
But if you do go, be really careful.
I double checked and the person’s name listed on the CodePink mail as the contact wasn’t the same “M” that I know. I thought maybe her and I could run up together. But it’s not the same person. …
I want to go soooo badly. But the one “oath” I’ve taken… .is that I will not endanger my kids. Sure they march in the Friday Rallies but those aren’t high arrest. And they don’t get ugly even if some “citizen” starts hollering at us to get our terrorists asses out of their country.
I just don’t know what will wake up America?
The draft?
Dead bodies of protesters on American soil??
What? ((((Andi))))
I believe that what will work is what you are doing — keeping the message in front of the American people. We’re very slow learners — we have to be told over and over.
Oh yeah, the other big thing is for republicans to lose a lot of seats in the fall elections.
because I’ve been trying to forget about it, but my husband’s son (I will not call him my stepson – he’s a sociopath) is due to get out of jail next week after serving 6 months for a dozen B&E charges, possession of a controlled substance, credit card theft, credit card fraud – can’t remember what else.
He tried to join the army before he got sentenced and they said to come back after he served his time and they’d see. He’s been getting calls ever since at his mother’s house. Apparently they’re still interested in this thug. Oh. My. God. This guy with a weapon is bad news.
Bad new but if they do take him, we can hope they will ship somewhere far, far away.
Yeah Andif, but what about the people who live “somewhere far, far away.”
Maybe he can be shipped to an uninhabited desert island 🙂
for a moment — getting someone who has been in trouble out of the environment where they get in trouble can sometimes make a big difference (though I doubt that the military is the place to try this).
They don’t have any choice but to lower their standards. Who else would volunteer for military service after 5+ years of Bush?
My brother enlisted in the army in 1999. He tried to get into the air force like his dad (my step-dad, who retired as a colonel) but they turned him down because he had too many speeding tickets. I’m guessing their pool of applicants isn’t quite so large these days.
“Sick bastards, we will have to make sure that Wesley is protected by all means at our disposal and any that may not be also.”
Perhaps you remember this article about Axel Cobb from Sedro Wooley, WA, a mild-mannered kid who happened to get snookered by a military recruiter. Despite telling the recruiter over and over that they weren’t interested, they kept calling and calling, until they managed to get their hands (pretty much literally) on Axel and haul him to a processing office in Seattle, whence his mother had to go rescue him before the Mariners bullied him into signing.
I read the description of this event and think, the Marines would have killed him. If he didn’t die on the battlefield, the gentle soul who mistakenly answered the phone would never be seen again, to be replaced by some shell-shocked man-kid too old for his body.
Make no mistake, if the get their hands on Wesley they will kill him. Do everything you can to keep them away from him.
And if you go through Seattle on the way out of the country, make sure you stop by to say goodbye.
That’s what I was alluding to about kidnapping.
This administration is all about killing kids. Either via the war, sending them to war, starving them, keeping or making them sick… or by drowning.
Make no mistake, Wayne feels very strongly about recruiters. They are very near the bottom of the Bush outhouse.
I would die before one of those war bastards got their greasy fingers on my kids.
Yeah, I don’t want to hear any more, ever, about how libruls are “baby killers.”
Every single one of those 2,400 servicemen and -women who are never coming home again . . .
Every single Iraqi who dies needlessly because of our adventurism . . .
Every single person who comes home missing pieces of their arms, legs, or mind . . .
Every single one of those people was somebody’s baby.
So I don’t want to hear it, Mr or Ms Chickenhawk Dogooder Libruls Kill Babies Type Person.
Here is a thought about a potentially effective counter-recruitment tactic…
What if military-aged persons contacted their local recruiter and feigned interest in exploring a military career?
The person would talk to the recruiter, politely listen to the recruiter’s presentation, make appointments and not show up, reschedule and show up, ask questions, remain polite but noncommittal, ultimately decide not to enlist.
The whole point would be to waste the recruiter’s time and energy. An hour spent recruiting somebody who is not interested is an hour NOT spent recruiting some impressionable teenager who may be receptive to the recruiter’s deceptive claims and imagery.
If enough persons do this, it would clog the recruitment system, demoralize the recruiters, and obstruct the war machine.
I still wouldn’t want to have one of these goons with my contact information. I see your point, but they can be very persuasive, they can be very underhanded, and it almost takes an act of Congress to get them off your back.
So I’d start researching ways to clog the system that don’t involve personal contact if this is what you choose to do.
Note: This post for entertainment purposes only. (Meaning I’d be highly entertained at the thought of a bunch of recruiters chasing their tails.)
sent the contact information for the 101st Fighting Keyboardists? They sure seem gung ho on Bush and his war(s)… 😉
DJ, if I was any closer, I’d be there to ride herd on the kids…and to bail you out of jail if necessary. (Hmmm, when I finally find a group I’m interested in joining, maybe organize an Emergency Child Care committee, so those who can’t march can at least watch the kids of those who can…)
Hopefully we’ll have these warmongers and their ilk out of office and in jail by the time your oldest is of cannon fodder age…then again, I’m sure you’ve taught him the value of a well-placed “F- you” when approached by military recruiters and other undesirables… 😉
Take several deep breaths, and just imagine that the Oilers are military recruiters in disguise so you can cheer when Ville gets another hit… 🙂
Thanks Cali! We try to teach our kids to not be violent… and we teach them to not talk to strangers… and then the freaking military can just walk right up to them and insult them, “How many push ups can you do? I bet you can’t do any” right at the fucking cafeteria!!!
they follow them along the streets. In malls. They are predators.
I don’t know. Anything to keep them from stalking our kids.
There have been a few accounts of them telling students who don’t show up for appointments that they can be arrested. Kids make the appt in front of all his friends… and then THINKS and decides not to go… then gets harrassed by Army of One.
DJ…you’re gonna love this. Olbermann just made the recruiter in this story his worst person in the world award.He skewered him big time. Told the whole story…WHOOT!!
Whooot!!! I missed it, been watching the kids while they were oustide.
(((KEITH))))
Imagine!!! an autistic man being followed home from school – takes a test and told he’ll be giving money.
My son HATES this war… but tell him he’d be like James Bond and I shudder to think…
Fuck Bush and his Bastards of War.
Jesus Christ! What the fuck is wrong with this country? Freaking recruiter who did this needs to get one-way ticket to Tikrit. Keep him or her there until war is over.
But BJ…don’t you know that is exactly why they choose to be recruiters. That way they don’t have to go to war and just send the disabled. This makes me beyond sick.
Yup they are sick fuckers. There is a huge protest/march going on right now in Portland. They are marching from this warpigs recruiter station to a school board meeting in progress. VFP and others.
There is a recruiter who goes to the local store I do. I have a coat that has a few pins on them. CodePink, Unreasonable Woman, and a VFP pin. He saw me and gave me a look of such hate. Pure poison. that My husband, a former bad ass in the military – although not a scum ass recruiter – instinctively put his arm out to protect me.
Next time though… I’m giving him a taste of free speech. I’ll show him what freedom is.
Angry Mothers From Hell
kids who can’t walk. Can’t walk?? No matter, that leg will be ripped off due to a unarmored humvee acckydenty.
Blind?? No matter. Someones gotta be bait.
Janet,
I have some links that may be of some interest, and help in the future.
Read them when you have a chance.
Leave My Child Alone
No Draft, No Way
How to protect your child from the coming draft
Draft Resistance
Northwest Veterens For Peace with a link for draft counseling, CO status, help for students, etc…
Peace Out
CodePink has a great list to help parents and students out. But they still come after the kids. They’re like monsters in that way.
It’s Veterans For Peace who are marching tonight to the school board. Those guys are true heros.
When will this madness end? I truly think it will be when there’s a draft and/or the bloodshed of anti-war protesters here.
When will it end? I tend to believe your last sentence unfortunately. And I think it will get much worse, before it gets better. Even with all the help out there, there’s not much to do in the end, other than becoming an ex-patriot. Even that won’t be easy, because fewer countries are offering amnesty for deserters, and future draft resistors.
My instinct tells me, in a very big knot in my stomach, that this fall is going to be a bad time around here. I hope not, but my instincts rarely fail me.
Rock on DJ
You know me – and how I’ll always try to be the cheerleader for optimism, but I too am gearing up for the likelihood that waging Peace will involve the bloodshed of wonderful people. you and I both looked at DC with an eye of hope and… dread.
You may someday be an expatriate. Don’t think the thought hasn’t entered my head. But you will never, in a million years, be an ex-patriot.
WE are the patriots. WE are the ones who keep the spirit of 1776 alive. WE are the ones who are trying to make America greater than what she has been allowed to become. Never forget this.
Oops,
It was late, and confusion seems to set in earlier and earlier every day as I get older ;o)
I’m feeling less patriotic these days when I see what’s being done in my name, and my allegiance has been shifting more towards a global patriotism. Though the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are inspiring documents, rarely, if ever, have those document’s ideals been matched with deeds. We’re all learning here. Expatriate, expatriot…to me they are becoming one in the same.
Sounds like the way my brain is working, or sputtering, these days sometimes.
As for the rest, we’re not perfect. Far from it. But I think one workable definition of patriotism could be “a love of one’s country and a desire to make it better.” FSM knows the US isn’t perfect. Never has been. Probably never will be. But I think the rise of the weblogs might be one of the best things ever to happen to this country, because not only are bloggers filling the mandate of “real journalists” to uncover corruption, fraud, waste and criminality in government, we put the rest of our government and others running for office in the future: We’re watching you, and if you abuse our trust, we’ll come down on you like a sackful of anvils, and we won’t give a damn what party you belong to.
But I understand your frustration and sorrow. Like I said, I’ve felt it myself, but for here and now, I’m staying and fighting.
Those links need to get big time air play — e.g. at Kos, here, and everywhere else on the Net you can find to post them. In August. I mean, it’s important now, but August is when parents need to tell the school to keep their hands offa my kid.
there was someone actually justifying this action, defending the recruiters (they knew the recruiters, one was home from Iraq with PTSD, the kid wasn’t in special classes for a couple of years, blah blah blah)…but to me, it’s unjustifiable and indefensible.
What’s the difference between these guys luring an impressionable kid in with a promise of money and glory, and a pedophile luring a kid in with a promise of candy and love? Well, the second is a crime…but in the end, both kids are equally screwed.
(Sorry if that’s a little graphic, but that’s the way I’m feeling right now…these kids are adults in name and age only — they’re too young to drink, but according to the military, they’re not too young to kill…)
I’d better get to bed before I piss off more folks…
Probably the same people I pissed off a few weeks ago. They were Laughing It Up and I found it offensive. They are the ones who see this all.. how did they put it?? As a “GAME”. And that is why they are losing their support base. And I fear that is why some are turnging their backs against the troops.
When your cries against the government attrocities go unheard and basically are bound and gagged, these people will show their anger at the illegal occupation and the attrocities of it to the only ones left… the ones who are lucky to come home.
Yes, NCLB is basically NAMBLA for the military.
Back with PTSD so they make them recruiters??? Oh lovely. This is turning into such a Mission Fuckomplished.
That’s exactly what this is only it is a Lite version which use the stalking and brainwashing techniques of the Moonie’s and similar religious cults.
Here’s the Wikipedia link on Press Gangs: Impressment
Good Point MirrorMind, thank you.
I wonder why they don’t recruit from all those right wing support bases… like some churches and book burning events?
here is that you have the 5% who own and control most of the world enlisting the world’s poorest people to fight each other in “Noble Causes” while they rob the store blind.
The whole premise of war is never about what poor people want the most. (Ie… A living wage, peace, a little security and most of all the least amount of government interference in their lives.)
Instead war is always about what the rich spoiled scam artist wants the most which most of the time is wealth and power, even though they have more than anyone can spend or enjoy in 10,000 lifetimes.
These people never progress beyond the playground mentality of kindergarden. (Those were my Pop Bottles Man! A comedy skit by “Cheech and Chong”)
Look at the Senate and Congress right now. They are both so self absorbed in petty bickering that nothing important ever gets done in the interest of the common good of All Americans.
Real issues such as health care, maintaining a viable economy for the benefit of the common good and numerous other issues that directly affect people are side tracked time and again by petty crap such as flag burning, gay marriage, family values and other unimportant fabricated BS.
The concept and idealogy of government is outdated, mired in a history of failure after failure. The governments we have today are dying a slow death while everyone else (corporations, the everyday person etc…) has moved on and accepted the advances in science, technology and the humanities that have brought the world to the 21st century.
Governments are the stone that keep the human race from growing up and acting like responsible adults.
“Hi Busy Pinkers,
The Recruiter Watch PDX rally and march to the School Board to get recruitment abuse out of the schools was spirited, with about 70 people by my count. We hope to keep going and growing.”
The people downstairs in our apartments are former military, too. He just got out of Iraq. I first met him as I was returning from my car with a CodePink t-shirt on. He shook my hand and said he hated Bush and that the guys over there loved CodPink. He works for the same compnay my husband does. Their kids play with mine outside.
Today while walking back from the bus stop I saw his wife outside with their dog. And she looked a bit shaken up. She asked if I could hear the yelling last night. Nope. She said that her husband saw the report about the recruiter cheating an autistic boy and that they were talking about my son, me and this whole fucked up war.
She said that he was so angry. That he dumped all of his military belongings out. That he yelled that he is ashamed he ever went to Iraq. That he ever was in the military. That they can’t kill enough kids overseas so they got to come here and try to kill autistic teenagers.
I told her about Mother’s Day. I told her about the Friday Rallies… I told her about Veterans For Peace. I told her – that he shouldn’t be ashamed.
one more Veteran for Peace, it sounds like — maybe you and the spouse should invite them along next time you go downtown for a Friday rally, then stop off at one of Portland’s many brewpubs to find some additional common ground… 🙂
Or if they’re not ready to make the committment, at least they can watch the kids when you go off to a rally… 😉
the guys over there loved CodePink
You know, this is something that doesn’t get brought up nearly enough. There’s a lot of ranting and railing about how you and I and all of our commie pinko traitor friends are giving aid and comfort to al-Qaeda by telling the truth, which of course is a load of dingoes’ kidneys. What about our support for the soldiers over there by telling them: You’re not alone, we know how screwed-up your situation is, and we are supporting you the best we can — mostly by trying to get you out of a no-win situation.
I called the number above and asked for Velasco. The line was definitely answered on speaker phone. I got an echoey-tinny “WHOSE SPEAKING!”
I said – from memory
A mother of an autistic student. And I don’t want you or your military coming anywhere near my son. My husband is former military and we are disgusted with you hunting down an austitic student the way you did…
he tried to interrupt I went on
Don’t you ever come anywhere near either of my kids. Using children for cannon fodder for your sick games and quoata… ( I stopped because I didn’t want to cuss)
Your disgusting behavior has taken a huge toll on the troop support and morale of people trying to stop this war and still support the troops.
more noise…
Hear me now. Stay. Away. From. My. Son. This … makes me sick.
Have a nice day.
and I hung up. I called on my cell…
Way to go, DJ! I’ll bet he’s gotten a bunch of those calls by now. Speaker phone? What a wimp.
Not sure… I was able to get through right away. However it is lunchtime now..
Hey you….for all the times you speak out, even when you’re shaking. For protecting your son, and all of our sons….
Thank you
Man, I thought I was going to cuss… LOL But I didn’t. I probably would have come off better if I had just let it loose. I’m rather incredible with that as I get on a roll… rather than when I have to slow down and make sure I’m in check and not dropping f bombs.
Well Janet, I was rather cowardly and didn’t read this diary yesterday cause I had a feeling it would be be pretty awful…and would turn into one of my blue rants here.
Today I seem to be beyond that-some days I get so angry I can’t rant-anyway I’ll just agree with what everyone else has said..and yes these recruiters are truly sick fuckers…they certainly are the one with the disabled minds and obviously have not a drop of humanness(is that a word?)in their twisted little fucked up souls.
Everyone hug the kids in your family and I hope to god this miserable monstrosity of a war bush unleashed can end as soon as possible so the troops can come home and start to heal as we all will have to.
tonight I’m taking my kids to a CodePink work party to finish up the Mother’s Day event “materials”. The irony of taking my son who is also autistic to it isn’t missed on my widdle head. 🙂
All they’d have to tell him is that he’d be like James Bond… and he’d sign up. What Velasco did and what the Army are allowing is disgusting.
When the call to service is distorted by recruiters
A beautiful pink woman sent the article my way 🙂
“The Army is in a tough spot, but it makes its position worse by knowingly taking advantage of vulnerable people. Not only do unqualified recruits pose risks to the Army’s own troops, but they undermine the public’s perception of the military and its methods. And that is a shame.”
Randi Rhodes is reading this article about Jared on Air America right now. Excellent work getting the word out!!
Thank you SanDiego Dem! Hooray for Air America!!!
Got the word early this morning.
There was so much outcry from the public…
Thank you for justice and decency!!!!!!
But the fight still goes on. We must protect all from dying for this “Noble Cause”.
Autistic Army recruit won’t serve
On my way to City Hall today for the impeachment resolution.
That’s wonderful news Janet.
As usual, be careful.