Marc Ash, Jason Leopold’s editor at Truthout.org, still stands by Leopold’s story that Rove was indicted by the Grand Jury:
This is our report to our readership. Our primary sources for this report are career federal law enforcement and federal government officials speaking on condition of anonymity. This report was developed under the supervision of all of Truthout’s senior editors, which should be taken as an indication that we view this matter with the utmost seriousness.
For the record, we did reach Kimberly Nerheim, a spokesperson for Patrick Fitzgerald, and asked her these questions: Did a grand jury return an indictment of Karl Rove? Did Patrick Fitzgerald send a fax to Robert Luskin similar to that described in recent press reports? Is Patrick Fitzgerald’s probe of the Plame matter still ongoing? Her response to each question was identical: “I have no comment.”
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The Rove indictment story is way beyond – in terms of complexity – any other story we have ever covered. In essence, we found out something we were not supposed to find out, and things exploded from there. We were not prepared for the backlash.
On Tuesday, June 13, when the mainstream media broke their stories that Karl Rove had been exonerated, there were frank discussions amongst our senior editors about retracting our stories outright. The problem we wrestled with was what exactly do we retract? Should we say that Rove had not in fact been indicted? Should we say that our sources provided us with false or misleading information? Had Truthout been used? Without a public statement from Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald we felt that it was premature to retract our report.
After spending the past month retracing our steps and confirming facts, we’ve come full circle. Our sources continue to maintain that a grand jury has in fact returned an indictment. Our sources said that parts of the indictment were read to Karl Rove and his attorney on Friday, May 12, 2006. Last week, we pointed to a sealed federal indictment, case number “06 cr 128,” which is still sealed and we are still pointing to it. During lengthy conversations with our sources over the past month, they reiterated that the substance of our report on May 13, 2006, was correct, and immediately following our report, Karl Rove’s status in the CIA leak probe changed. In summary, as we press our investigation we find indicators that more of our key facts are correct, not less. […]
What appears to have happened is that – and this is where Truthout blundered – in our haste to report the indictment we never considered the possibility that Patrick Fitzgerald would not make an announcement. We simply assumed – and we should not have done so – that he would tell the press. He did not. Fitzgerald appears to have used the indictment, and more importantly, the fear that it would go public, to extract information about the Plame outing case from Rove.
Yes, it does appear that Truthout was used, but not lied to or misled. The facts appear to have been accurate. We reported them, and in so doing, apparently became an instrument. From all indications, our reports, first on May 13 that Rove had been indicted, and then on June 12 when we published case number “06 cr 128,” forced Rove and Luskin back to the table with Fitzgerald, not once but twice. They apparently sought to avoid public disclosure and were prepared to do what they had to do to avoid it.
So, it seems they aren’t backing down, nor are they disclosing their sources. I don’t know how to take that, frankly. In one sense, I admire them for standing by a story they clearly believe was true when it was written. Leopold’s credibility has been called into question by a number of incidents (most recently, the allegations by Joe Lauria in the Washington Post that Leopold has been impersonating him). Yet, Ash and the rest of the Truthout editors continue to assert that they were right on the facts when they published Leopold’s story that Rove had been indicted.
Were Truthout and Jason Leopold used by Fitzgerald and his office to obtain concessions from Rove, as Ash contends? I have no idea how to evaluate that claim. It would be nice if Fitzgerald’s office would clear that up, one way or the other, by going on the record regarding the facts as reported by Leopold, but to date Fitzgerald hasn’t had any desire to do so.
Thanks, Steven. Yes, an intereting story. What’s really sad is we may not know what really happened for another ten-thirty years, judging by other such scandals.
The fact that Patrick Fitzgerald has not himself denied the indictment continues to interest me.
I stumbled across this last night – probably old news to most of you, but it was news to me:
I can certainly imagine ways for Leopold to have been right – although of course imagining doesn’t make it so. What if, for the sake of argument, there really had been an indictment? Those can stay sealed for a long time. There’s no mandate to make that public. What if Rove had been given 24 hours, and some other counterpressure was brought to bear on Fitzgerald? An appeal to him as a Republican to not make that public until after the mid-term elections? Or a threat to use the above argument re the Constitution to negate his whole investigation if he didn’t let Rove go?
Blackmail has long been a standard for those in power. It’s been used forever by those with the power to use such. I’ve often wondered if Fitzgerald would be allowed to conduct an honest investigation. I’m very impressed by his work so far and think he’s certainly capable, intellectually, of getting to the truth. Is he capable emotionally and morally of keeping up the fight if he’s faced with some pretty awful choices? I’d like to think so. I hope so. I hope he’s not being threatened in any way. But I can’t put anything past this administration. They are the worst set of thugs ever to step foot into the Oval Office, and blackmail would seem to be just their style.
Everything I’ve heard about Fitzgerald — and I will admit that I don’t follow Plamegate 24/7 — is that he’s not subject to partisan pressure. He might be subject to pressure in a different direction, though.
I have to wonder if the dots might not connect in a way similar to this: Rove is the President’s man. It’s pretty well known that the President’s people and the Vice President’s people are not on particularly good terms. In fact at this point I wouldn’t be too surprised if the President’s people want Cheney out and are willing to go to great lengths to get him out.
Now if Rove was scheduled to be indicted, maybe he and his lawyer cut a deal: In exchange for Rove’s complete cooperation, he would give Fitzgerald everything he needed to go after Cheney.
It’s speculation, of course, but the whole thing is a black box, and the best we can do is guess what’s going on inside it.
But then there’s one element that seems to be overlooked in all this: The special prosecutor doesn’t hand down the indictments. The grand jury hands down the indictments. So something may be going on with the grand jury that we don’t know about. And again, I’ll admit I don’t know the inner workings of the process, so I’m probably just once again exhibiting my natural talent for going on at length while having no idea what I’m talking about.
And again, I’ll admit I don’t know the inner workings of the process, so I’m probably just once again exhibiting my natural talent for going on at length while having no idea what I’m talking about.
Join the club. 😉
Still, Omir, you tell a good story.
This is what I get for posting early in the morning.
What I meant to say was something like “In exchange for immunity from indictment, Rove would cooperate fully with Fitzgerald’s office and give him everything he needed to go after Cheney.”
I shall now go practice ritual defenestration. That, or get on the bus and head for work.
Does no one see the impropriety of using anonymous sources to cover a scandal that came about because of anonymous sources?
At this point Jason Leopold’s integrity os not the issue anymore. The issue is Truthout’s integrity and credibility. They are risking a lot to keep pushing this story. I can’t see any reason for them not to have issued a retraction at this point, unless they are really super convinced that their sources were and are telling thge truth and that they were right to publish what they knew.
That said, it seems to me they still misjudged the case. They went to bat on what they had to know was going to be a very controversial story based solely on what their sources were telling them. They should have gotten independent confirmation of all the facts from multiple sources and documentary evidence. It seems to me they jumped the gun, and that even if their sources were telling them the truth, they set themselves up for what happened next.
It could be that the original article was accurate and everything else changed after it was published. If that’s the case, they should stand by it’s accuracy.
My point isn’t really one that goes to the accuracy of the story, but to the extent they had enough proof to run the story. Here, it seems to me they didn’t. It’s a fine line, I’ll grant you, but when you go against the Bushies, and especially Rove, you better have everything locked up tight regarding the facts you are reporting. I don’t think they did that here, so that when Luskin came out that his client no longer was a target, they could say, Oh yeah? Well here’s a copy of the indictment with your name on it.
I think they jumped the gun, and even if they had the story right (and they may have it right) they screwed themselves by not waiting for documentary evidence and/or a statement from Fitz confirming what they were told by their sources.
If this is your standard for using any source as a reference these days then it wipes out most of what we get. They may have jumped the gun and possibly caused any court action to be sealed or altered but they can’t (and shouldn’t) surrender to Rove’s PR people.
No. I see the irony of it though.
Here are just a few elements to consider. These are offered for consideration on the assumption that all participants are acting honestly but guided by human nature.
Judge Walton was named to his current position in Oct 2001 by GWB. He has redacted his own financial disclosures, the ones required by law, and it’s the subject of action forced by Sibel Edmonds. Also shown in this is the use of secrecy and court to conceal information and block proceeding.
If Ms Edmonds ran into this as a whistleblower, how can we expect to accurately know the dealings concerning the highest levels of office?
I believe TruthOut and Leopold until they are proven wrong in their original claims. A statement from Luskin and an ambiguous statement from Fitzgerald isn’t proof they were wrong.
Why should we trust Luskin all of a sudden? And I wouldn’t expect a statement from Fitz until the deed is done — whatever the deed is. OTOH, we’ve seen bushco trash journalists who disagree with them. They’ve hated Dan Rather for years, and look what they did to him! With Leopold’s backaground, I expect he’d be an easy target. Just based on overall reading of informed lawyers, I think Fitz is after Cheney. Maybe Rove rolled on Cheney after he was indicted but before he was charged?
Interesting times for speculation!
…and a deal is not a deal (denied by Luskin) unless the terms are specified by all parties. This would allow a ‘cooperate and we’ll see what we can do about not filing charges against your client’ to not be considered a deal.
A ‘deal’ in this case would probably be something closer to a (specific) plea bargain type deal that Luskin could deny.
Parsing is an art being perfected these days.
My money is on the possibility that indictments have been filed but BushCo put a halt to it on National Security to avoid any trials….per-emptive pardons, seals or secret filings.
Seems to me there’s a HUGE unexplained anomaly in Fitzgerald’s refusal to comment at this point. Rove’s lawyer made a statement purporting to be fact: there was no indictment. What would motivate Fitzgerald not to confirm the lawyer’s public statement? Whether TruthOut got it right or not, there’s obviously something major still going on.
As song as we’re doing baseless speculation, I suppose it’s possible that there was an indictment and the Regime invoked some kind of “homeland security” scam to keep it sealed and secret. That would leave Fitzgerald in the position of having no choice but to say No Comment even while the Rove shysters can tell whatever lies they choose with full impunity.
Sheer speculative fantasy? Of course. But that’s what happens when public matters are hidden from view. I hope even more wild speculation rips through DC like wildfire, ad infinitum. Sometimes gossip becomes democracy’s last remaining defense against high crimes.
We haven’t seen hard evidence that Rove was indicted. We haven’t seen the letter from Fitzgerald to Luskin. We don’t have Fitzgerald’s statement on either matter.
That’s about all that’s certain, as far as I can see. Which is nothing.
Truthout claims there is a sealed indictment. Has the existence of a sealed indictment (though obviously not who is indicted) been verified?
What I don’t understand is the idea of a sealed indictment. How long can an indictment remain secret? Isn’t failure to enforce a law a violation of the law? To me it seems like getting all the evidence for an arrest warrant, and then throwing the warrant away.
Isn’t failure to enforce a law a violation of the law?
Gonzales? Walton?……hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
sorry about that. This administration writes their own laws.
But I;m talking about Patrick Fitzgerald’s grand jury indictment, if it exists. How long can it remain sealed under the law?
Considering the ways that have been used by this administration to maintain control through secrecy, my guess is indefinitely. I would also guess that any major indictment would be pardoned and sealed forever.
Sorry it took so long to round up a decent example. Here’s a link to a good article that’s recent.
Confronting secret evidence