When can we call it genocide?
As reported by Juan Cole, planning for Israel’s attack on Hizbollah and Lebanon had been in the works for at least a year. The Israelis were only looking for an incident, any incident, to justify their attack. Hizbollah provided the excuse for an assault when it kidnapped 2 Israel soldiers in response to Israel’s actions in Gaza. Instead of the limited response from Israel that typically follows such incidents, Hizbollah’s own leadership was surprised by the extent of Israel’s aerial, naval and ground assault. An assault, not only against Hizbollah forces, but also against many civilian targets in Lebanon that seemingly have little if anything to do with Hizbollah. Attacks which have “officially” killed well over 300 Lebanese civilians (we don’t really know the true death toll at this point) and maimed countless others. Attacks which have caused billions of dollars of damage to buildings, factories, offices, bridges and other infrastructure destroyed by Israel’s missile, bomb and artillery campaign.
When similar attacks were implemented by Serbia’s armed forces and militias against Muslims in Bosnia, the world community was quick to condemn those actions as atrocities. Indeed, the euphemism employed by Serbian news media, “ethnic cleansing” to describe the Serbs’ murderous actions in Bosnia soon acquired a connotation essentially equivalent to that of genocide. Yet, to date, similar actions perpetrated by Israel in it’s attacks on the Lebanese civilian population, including the bombing of ambulances and other vehicles filled with civilians trying to escape the war zone, and it’s use of terror weapons like white phosphorus (which I wrote about here, yesterday) have been defended by the likes of Alan Dershowitz as morally justified acts because the civilians in Lebanon may be guilty of supporting Hizbollah, and thus need not be granted any consideration for their safety to which “normal” civilians are entitled. In short, we are seeing a defense of Israel’s slaughter of the Lebanese which assumes that the Arabs who live there are something less than fully human.
Doesn’t that argument strike you as obscene on its face? Isn’t that the same justification Osama bin Laden gave for attacking American civilians on 9/11? What makes it wrong for Osama to use that excuse, but not Israel or the United States (remember Fallujah)? Killing people based on their ethnicity or supposed sympathy with your enemies smells like genocide to me, no matter what rhetorical perfume you use to cover up the stench.
(cont.)
According to Steve Clemons at The Washington Note, at least one former National Security Advisor, and senior American foreign policy strategist, Zbigniew Brzezinski, believes that what Israel is doing in Lebanon is not only poor strategy but also amounts to an atrocity:
I hate to say this but I will say it. I think what the Israelis are doing today for example in Lebanon is in effect, in effect–maybe not in intent–the killing of hostages. The killing of hostages. Because when you kill 300 people, 400 people, who have nothing to do with the provocations Hezbollah staged, but you do it in effect deliberately by being indifferent to the scale of collateral damage, you’re killing hostages in the hope of intimidating those that you want to intimidate. And more likely than not you will not intimidate them. You’ll simply outrage them and make them into permanent enemies with the number of such enemies increasing.
Brzezinski is right. Israeli indifference to the scale of destruction and human misery it is causing is tantamount to a crime. He employs the metaphor of “killing the hostages” because he doesn’t wish to be anymore frank, I imagine, and run the risk of being accused of anti-Semitism. But I’m more than happy to provide the word he left out when describing this indifference to the fate of the Lebanese people. That word is Genocide, and we shouldn’t be afraid to use it in this instance. Let’s look at the definition of the term set forth in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, shall we?
The Convention (in article 2) defines genocide as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
I’d argue that clauses (a), (b) and (c) currently apply to Israel’s actions in Lebanon (and in Gaza, as well). Remember, this action was planned long ago by Israel, and they only waited for an opportune moment in which to implement their “strategy.” They knew what the consequences for civilians would be once they started bombing, but disregarded them, or found them not relevant to their purpose. Is what Israel is doing equivalent to the Holocaust or Rwanda? No, but their actions meet the definition of genocide: they are killing members of a national group (the Lebanese), they are causing members of that group serious bodily and mental harm, and they are imposing conditions on Lebanon that are designed to bring about Lebanon’s and the Lebanese people’s destruction, at least in part. No matter what you think of Hizbollah (and I believe them to be the moral equivalent of the IRA) Israel’s actions have not been limited to responding to Hizbollah’s terrorist attacks, but have expanded to include the demolition of Lebanon as a nation state.
Does Israel have the right to defend it’s borders and it’s people? Certainly. However, that right does not extend to a reckless indifference to the murder of innocent civilians, whether in Gaza, the West Bank or in Lebanon. That isn’t a policy for eliminating terrorism, it’s a policy for breeding more terrorists. So, even from a strictly pragmatic standpoint it is a senseless, misguided approach. But without question, from a moral standpoint it is indefensible, regardless of how Mr. Dershowitz and other apologists twist and turn in their ludicrous and mean spirited attempts to justify the killing of Arab men, women and (most horrifically) children.
That’s genocide in my book.
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
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From Wikipedia
I like this paragraph:
From something I wrote (that eventually became part of a paper I presented):
Now that is a complete definition!!
With regard of the Lebanese, Israel is not looking to kill all Lebanese. They are seeking to destroy those who are part of Hezbolah. They do not seek to kill lets say christian Lebanese.
The problem with the definition of Genocide is that a part of that definition has benn left out. Political clensing is no longer genocide as it was when the term was first coined. Guess it no longer matters that the first victims of the Holocaust were ALL for political reasons. Maybe the cold war justified dropping the political genocide as a crime against humanity
with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
You can make an argument that Israel’s actions match some of the other criteria, but there is no evidence of genocidal intent.
This makes no more sense than the common argument among the more rabid partisans of Israel that Hezbollah’s actions are genocidal because they have the intent of getting rid of Israel. In that case the scale actions don’t come close to the level of genocidal, regardless of intent. Though if you take a literal, minimal reading of the clauses – killing – check, serious bodily or mental harm – check…
I guess life is easier when you can see the world in black and white.
I find it hard to ignore nearly 60 years of consistent and deliberate Israeli policy aimed at removing Palestinians from Palestine ethnic cleansing), destruction of Palestinian social institutions, and at the extreme flat denial of even the existence of the Palestinian people (not to mention their humanity). When Israeli leaders say that there is no such thing as a Palestinian, thus denying the existence of several million people, the intent seems clear.
“A land without a people” . . . what were they, then? Wild dogs (a common IDF slang)? Ambulatory rocks?
Israeli objectives and intent are clearly genocidal . . . they are restrained only by world opinion and the threat of world response. Israel has had 60 years to “do the right thing”, and undo or compensate for the injustice done to the people of Palestine, and they have done nothing but oppress, enslave and kill. Plenty of “evidence of intent” there . . .
Deward Hastings:
Deward Hastings2
The only difference between you and the Israeli hard right or commenters at places like LGF is the target of your hatred.
I rather like the “Golden Rule” as a guiding concept . . . Israel has shown us for 60 years (in its treatment of the Palestinians) how it wants to be treated . . . I think it’s time.
“Treat others as you want to be treated”. Nope, nothing there about punishing others for the way they treat people. Someone needs to work on their reading comprehension.
about the “Golden Rule” and applying the same policy to Israel that Israel has applied to Palestine that you find “hateful”? How . . . peculiar . . . that you would call “hateful” even the suggestion of doing unto Israel what Israel has done unto others. How . . . peculiar . . . that (in your view) it is “hateful” if done to Israel, but not “hateful” if done by Israel.
Racist, much ? ? ? I argue for equal treatment, the Israeli right argues for Jewish exceptionalism, and you imagine the two to be the same?
How . . . peculiar . . . that (in your view) it is “hateful” if done to Israel, but not “hateful” if done by Israel.
When I said I saw no difference between you and the Israeli right I did not mean it as a compliment – neither to you nor them.
but nice try at changing the subject from double standards and genocide and the Israeli sense of “entitlement” (which you seem to endorse).
Rather like changing the discussion of Israel’s deliberate killing of UN observers to hand-wringing over how that awful Mr. Annan said “apparently deliberate” . . .
Your comments are not very coherent, but it seems clear to me that don’t understand what the Golden Rule means at all!
It doesn’t mean treating others the way they treat you. It doesn’t mean a tit for a tat, as you think.
It means treating others as you would have them treat you. That makes all the difference in the world! Thus, even if they do evil to you, you are supposed to return goodness and kindness.
The Golden Rule is a foundational principle in virtually all major religious and ethical traditions, not just the Abrahamic faiths.
The great philosopher Immanuel Kant glorified the Golden Rule with the fancier expression called the Categorical Imperative: Never act unless you can will that all others should so act. If you work it out, that’s identical to the Golden Rule.
As to the topic at hand, as a lawyer I think it’s stretching it to call Israel’s actions in Lebanon “genocide.” However, I have no problem calling them OUTRAGEOUS WAR CRIMES that are NOT JUSTIFIED and are WILDLY DISPROPORTIONATE and amount to COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT RIGHT ON PAR WITH THE NAZIS!
Moreover, they have a character that is quite unusual for Israeli action–they are really amazingly stupid.
One could stretch the argument to say that the Israelis are knowingly trying to ethnically cleanse the Lebanese Shias. They are, indeed, literally trying to starve them. But I think it weakens the attack on the Israelis to use the G word.
I speak as a person who has always previously favored the Israeli side. I don’t think Israeli is at fault for the plight of the “Palestinians”–the fault lies with the neighboring Arab powers. But Israeli is damn sure at fault for the current atrocities.
for the purpose of argument, anyway, what’s wrong with a “literal” reading ? ? ? “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Why should one not read that as a prescription for how to treat Israel? Why should Israel be treated differently? Has not Israel given us an abundantly clear view of how they “do unto others”? Had Israel treated the Palestinians the way they believe Jews should be treated there would be no “Middle East problem. And no, the “Golden Rule” is not “turn the other cheek” . . . that’s a different teaching (which probably does not apply when facing tanks and F16s).
And how are the “Arab powers” responsible for the plight of the Palestinians? It was not “Arab powers” that expelled them from their homes and land. Why didn’t the US (the prime sponsor of the Israeli land grab) take in those Palestinian refugees who opted for emigration rather than returning home? Why would you think Palestine’s (Arab, Egyptian, “Pan Mediterranean”, Christian, Muslim, Copt or whatever) neighbors should be responsible for taking in the refugees that Israel created? How is anyone other that Israel (and Israel’s sponsors) responsible for the refugees?
Gosh, that’s really not even close to coherent.
As to your first paragraph, a universally recognized principle like the Golden Rule has a universally recognized meaning. You can play with the words all you want, but it’s just word play. And it detracts from your entire argument. And no, the Golden Rule is indeed the same teaching as turn the other cheek.
As for my comment about the Arab powers, I suggest that you should read some history before pretending to know it. In the period right after World War II, during the breakup of the European colonial powers, there were massive displacements of peoples around the globe. In the Middle East, that included approximately a million Jews who were forcibly driven from their homes in Arab nations throughout the Middle East. We don’t hear about them, because they all just migrated to Europe and the United States. The numbers of “Palestinians” who were displaced in the early years of the state of Israel was smaller, but their problem has constantly grown to the point where it is the major thorn for Israel. One can rant all one wants about Israeli brutality, and there’s a lot to that argument. But it usually misses the reality that the neighboring Arab countries (Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, and others) easily could have absorbed the “Palestinians.”
I put Palestinians in quotes, because that’s a brand-new concept in the world. For centuries in the Middle East, it was just Arabs and other ethnic groups living commonly under the Ottoman Empire, with no nationalities. The Arabs displaced by the creation of Israel WERE Egyptians and Jordanians and Syrians, and could and should have been united with their families and clans in the neighboring Arab countries. But those countries refused to accept them, for the prime evil purpose of making martyrs out of them in order to cause harm to Israel.
That happens to be a matter of plain historical fact. I say this as an immigration lawyer who has represented several stateless Palestinians. You can be an Arab born in any of those Arab countries. Your father and mother can have been born in those countries. But if your grandfather or grandmother was a “Palestinian,” then you are a Palestinian until the end of time, with no right to reside in your country of birth, no right to work in your country of birth, no right to enter your country of birth (Jordan, for example, or Kuwait, or Saudia Arabia, or Egypt, etc.), and no citizenship in your country of birth.
If it wasn’t for this outrageously discriminatory and blatantly political oppression by their fellow Arabs, the Palestinians would now mainly be living peacefully as Jordanians, Egyptians, etc. Thus, I lay a major share of the blame on the Arabs.
As for the rest of your second paragraph, it is not true that the United States was the “prime sponsor” of the “Israeli land grab.” As you probably don’t know, the Israelis sure didn’t do a “land grab” of most of Israel–most of that land was lawfully purchased by immigrant Jews in the 19th century. But I do agree with you on one point–the United States could have helped a lot more by taking in more Palestinians, especially in the 1950s.
My own preferred rendering of the “Golden Rule” is Hillel’s: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor”. Given that formulation, it is pretty obvious (at least to me) that (a) Israel has been violating the Golden Rule for many years, and (b) the sort of “turnabout as fair play” that Dennis proposes would likewise violate the Golden Rule.
I suppose someone might believe in retribution as a theory of justice. In which case, Dennis’s proposal would perhaps be considered “just”. Perhaps Dennis’s rule might be stated as, “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor, unless they have done it to you first, in which case, have at it.” But to argue for retribution and label it “following the Golden Rule” is simply to argue in bad faith.
only for treating Israel as Israel has treated others. If Israel has done no wrong then no wrong would be done to Israel, eh? One could expect Israel to be pleased at being treated as well as they have treated their neighbors (and the Palestinians).
So what’s with the upset at my suggestion? Are people saying that yes, Israel has behaved badly, very badly in fact, but that it would be awful, just awful, if the same were done to them? How would you suggest that the admitted bad behavior be dealt with?
First, let me apologize for mistakenly referring to you as “Dennis” in my earlier comment. I wrote it about an hour before I headed off to sit for the last day of the bar exam, so my brain was a bit addled. At least I got the first two letters right; let’s hope I did as well on my exam!
Second, I don’t think Israel has done no wrong. (That’s a gramatically awkward sentence, but I hope you get my drift). Nor do I believe that Israel has treated its Palestinian and Lebanese neighbors at all well. As I indicated in my previous comment, I believe Israel has, repeatedly and persistently, violated the Golden Rule, especially and most grotesquely in its treatment of the Palestinians, and also, in both the current and previous military actions in Lebanon, against the people of that country.
I presume you agree, and that you share my opnion that Israel’s conduct has been reprehensible. If so, it is a little disingenuous to deny that you are advocating retribution when you call for Israel to get the same treatment in return.
Maybe that’s OK. I don’t personally believe in retribution. But I can’t deny that it has a certain raw appeal. And I certainly can’t say that, if I’d ever been treated as harshly as the Palestinians have been by Israel, I wouldn’t change my mind and become an ardent retributionist.
As for how to deal with Israel’s bad behavior, I won’t pretend to have a good answer; or even a half-assed answer. I just don’t know.
I like the subject line . . . in so many ways it goes right to the point of “interpreting” the “Golden Rule”. Is it a prescriptive for behavior? Should it be read as a “guideline” for how some particular “actor” wants to be treated (the obviously provocative line I’ve taken to smoke out the hypocrites)? If it suggests “reciprocity” for good deeds does that become “retribution” if deeds are bad?
If Israel were a good actor would we call a response in kind “retribution” or would we call it a “reward”?
It’s back to that “exceptionalism and entitlement” thing . . . aka “racism”.
Best wishes on the bar . . . first “the issues”, then “the law” . . . (but you knew that <g>).
to relieve yourself of your ignorance . . . it’s probably not your fault that all you seem to “know” is zionist propaganda, of the most rabid sort.
“Palestinians” are the people who lived in Palestine, descended of Canaanites and a couple thousand years of “mixed Mediterranean” migrants . . . Phonecians, Greeks, Romans, Syrians, Egyptians, Persians Turks, Hebrews and even Christian crusaders and some Arabs. Taken together they were the people of Palestine. The only reason they left Palestine in and around 1948 is that they were expelled as part of the theft of their land by immigrant Jews to create “Israel”. That has nothing to do with WWII (Palestine was British throughout the war), and has nothing to do with anything that happened anywhere else after the creation of Israel. Nothing excuses the expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and farms . . . and your “defense” of that expulsion is despicable. Your racism is palpable when you say that someone who’s family lived in Palestine for a thousand years should just uproot and move to Jordan or Egypt because they are “Arab”.
A little bit of the “history” (of which you seem to know even less than you presume I know) can be found free at:
http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html
or you can spend $20 and get Benny Morris’s book “Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001”. A more extensive reading list is available at the cactus48 site, and at others like electronicintefada.
And your assertion that European Jews “purchased” Palestine is simply comical . . .
I need to “relieve myself of my ignorance.” It’s “not my fault that all I seem to know is zionist propaganda, of the most rabid sort.” Some of my assertions are racist. Others are comical. Others are despicable.
Are you familiar with the concept of projection? (Let me spell it out for you: you’re spewing insults that you unconsciously know to be true of your own self. It would be helpful for you to read abot this.)
I’m the one actually representing and helping stateless Palestinians. You’re sitting at home in your shorts, typing on the Internet and foaming at the mouth. Your black-and-white view of the I/P crisis is tragic and pathetic, and it leads to nothing but bloodshed.
Oh, and nothing I said amounts to a “defense” of expulsions of Palestinians. Your reading comprehension is inferior.
“The Arabs displaced by the creation of Israel WERE Egyptians and Jordanians and Syrians, and could and should have been united with their families and clans in the neighboring Arab countries.”
You also wrote:
“nothing I said amounts to a “defense” of expulsions of Palestinians.”
Oh, really?
Your silly pop psychology and fashion commentary demonstrate both the depth of your understanding of origins of Israel and the sincerity of your desire for a just resolution of Palestinian claims.
http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html
Fashion commentary? You need a psychiatric examination.
You also need some training in elementary logic.
You also need some training in elementary honesty, because you ignore my central points.
Patzer.
Your argument would make sense only on the premise that Israel has followed the Golden Rule. Could you please explain why you think that it has? Please note that “Do unto others as they do unto others” isn’t at all the same thing. It warrants exchanges of eye and tooth removal services.
regarding Israeli disregard for the “Golden Rule”, or any other moral guideline. If so then you may be right . . . that Israel is without any moral foundation whatever. That would, however, justify treating Israel even worse than Israel treats others . . . a position I regard as a bit extreme.
That’s quite a leap of interpretation and logic.
By Lemkin’s classic definition we’ve definitely got plenty of evidence that Israel is behaving genocidally. One of the things that I think would help with any discussion of genocide would be to get away from the intangibles (such as “intention” which is damned difficult to ascertain) and to focus more on behavioral outcomes which can be measured. I could care less about the alleged “intentions” of any state that systematically destroys the infrastructure, cultural practices, livelihoods, lives, etc. of a target group of people. Usually such “intentions” are alleged to be entirely benign (as some form of “manifest destiny”, “national security” and the like) and the perpetrator state’s elites and much of its rank and file tend to be in denial about the actual genocidal outcomes they’ve inflicted.
By Lemkin’s classic definition we’ve definitely got plenty of evidence that Israel is behaving genocidally. One of the things that I think would help with any discussion of genocide would be to get away from the intangibles (such as “intention” which is damned difficult to ascertain) and to focus more on behavioral outcomes which can be measured. I could care less about the alleged “intentions” of any state that systematically destroys the infrastructure, cultural practices, livelihoods, lives, etc. of a target group of people. Usually such “intentions” are alleged to be entirely benign (as some form of “manifest destiny”, “national security” and the like) and the perpetrator state’s elites and much of its rank and file tend to be in denial about the actual genocidal outcomes they’ve inflicted.
I disagree. What Israel did in 1948 clearly matches Lemkin’s definition (though what the Arab states were trying to do also does), however, your argument basically amounts to saying that any armed action that systematically violates the laws of war equals genocide. For example – the Marxist rebels in Columbia – routinely kill civilians both deliberately and through reckless indifference and they routinely target infrastructure – are they a genocidal group? How about the Iraqi insurgents in the first two years of the war, that is before the sectarian civil war heated up? They also routinely killed civilians and sought to destroy infrastructure with the intent to make the place ungovernable. Should we see them as genocidal with respect to even the Sunni Arab population?
In seeking to expand the definition of genocide to fit what the Israelis are doing in Lebanon you’ve also covered most insurgencies of sufficient strength. Judging from what I’ve read of you before I’d imagine that was not your intent, but what’s good for the goose…
I agree with Marek that it isn’t genocide because there doesn’t seem to be an intent to kill civilians. It’s more like negligent genocide, the Israeli leaders seem indifferent to the precautions necessary to minimize civilian casualties. They’re not seeking out Arabs so much as they just don’t seem to care who dies.
That said, it’s a distinction without a difference in my eyes, this “war” is still sick, disgusting and counterproductive. Pointless violence only begets more pointless violence.
because there doesn’t seem to be an intent to kill civilians
Civilians are the main target.
They are using white phosphrorus now.
We are seeing levels of atrocity the German Nazis never achieved.
No we are not. That’s is absurd on its face.
In the second world war white phosphorus was not used against people. By anybody–Nazis included.
Civilians are the main target.
How do you know who they’re targeting? If civilians were the “main target”, the level of killing would be several magnitudes higher.
We are seeing levels of atrocity the German Nazis never achieved.
No. That’s like saying a cockroach is larger than an elephant. Factually, it just isn’t rationally arguable.
I think we have to be more careful in throwing around the “g” word. Israel’s actions here just do not meet the standard of genocide in extent or intent. Abominable as they are. they do not compare (yet) with, for example, Darfur. The concept of genocide is too essential to be devalued and trivialized by association with lesser crimes. In a way, playing the “g” card gives comfort to Israel’s leaders by shifting the debate from their criminal actions themselves to whether they reach the level of genocide. Since they clearly do not, that tends to end the debate.
The Lebanon attack does, I believe, constitute collective punishment, which was, ironically, a favorite tactic of the Nazi occupation. Israel is essentially killing 200 Lebanese for each soldier kidnapped. It’s contemptible, pointless, and destructive to Israel and its US clients, to say nothing of the Lebanese innocents who are paying the price. It doesn’t have to be genocide to be an abomination.
Oposing Leiberman is the right thing to do. We need to oppose Hillary for the same reasons.
Anyone still read his column? Today, for the first time, he appears to “get it.” He says, “One wonders what planet Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice landed from, thinking she can build an international force to take charge in south Lebanaon without going to Damascus and trying to bring Syria on board.”
“Whoever goes for a knockout blow will knock themselves out instead.”
And ends by saying, ” Syria is not going to calm things in Lebanon, or Iraq, just so the Bush team can then focus on regime change in Damascus. As one diplomat here put it to me, ‘Turkeys don’t vote for Thanksgiving.’ “
The way in which supporters of Israel have so successfully managed to cast critics as anti-Semites — to the point that people are actually afraid to speak — is really a masterpiece of public relations.
I can only imagine the firestorm that would erupt if someone, somewhere, uttered the forbidden word that most accurately describes the Israeli attitude towards Gaza, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and southern Lebanon:
Lebensraum.
commits it. That is US policy. How have we gotten to this point? But then again we used to recognize the Khmer Rouge after the Vietnamese ousted them. Oh and we surreptitiously armed them too.
So I guess we dont care care about genocide at all.
I vote for keeping the word in reserve to maintain its potency. Using it to describe the present conflict will only change the topic to the use of the word and whether it applies — a distraction. Then, if you succeeded in applying the word to these attacks, what word of greater force would we use to describe the systematic capture and slaughter of men, women, and children of a particular race with the aim of exterminating them?
What word would you use, then, to describe this:
“”There is 100 percent damage,” Ateereh said. “They destroyed the building completely, but that wasn’t enough for the Israelis. They then used their Caterpillar bulldozers to churn up everything and mix all the documents with the soil so that nothing is able to be preserved,” Ateereh said.”
Read it all, tell me what was intended:
http://www.counterpunch.org/toensing07272006.html