This is a follow up to my diary Being an Atheist in America, which I wrote yesterday morning. There were a lot of thought-provoking responses in the comments, but with over 200 of them, I didn’t try to comment back because the responses would be too buried to be able to continue a discussion. One thing that I saw a couple times, phrased in different ways, is some people saying they have no problem with Atheists, but they are not fond of the “religion is a fairy tale and we’ve grown beyond that” condescension that some display. I saw some of that on display yesterday, and I’m sure I visibly winced a number of times. I think people of all viewpoints, especially those who find themselves targeted, scapegoated, or dismissed by Bush administration policies, would do well to learn how to speak respectfully to and about each other. Because there are some scary, driven, and well organized people in charge these days, and they don’t have any of our best interests at heart. Some quotes below the fold…
I’ve started a transcript of Melvin Lipman’s (President of the American Humanist Association) talk here. The following is an excerpt.
Timothy LaHaye–anybody ever hear of Timothy LaHaye? (Some laughter) The author of the Christian fundamentalist Left Behind series, was on the Jerry Falwell show about six months ago, and he said, “We’re in a religious war and we need to aggressively oppose secular humanism; these people are as religiously motivated as we are and they are filled with the devil.”
Karl Rove, Bush’s chief political strategist at a meeting of the theocratic Family Research Council in March of this year, spoke about the “war on secular society”, and he said, “We need to find ways to win the war.” And so, it’s a war against us, and we need to fight back in this war.
Another Bush administration adviser Paul Weyrich said, “The real enemy is the secular humanist mindset, which seeks to destroy everything that is good in this society.” It’s nice to know that we’re so powerful. (Laughter)
In 2003, speaking to the Christian Coalition, Alabama Governor Bob Riley, spoke about a “more important war than the war in Iraq”. He said the war against secular humanists is “a war for the absolute soul of this country”. He called for a “crusade” to restore the Christian character of America.
Well, friends, I think we should be prepared for a crusade. It’s creeping up slowly. It’s like the analogy of the frog in water, you’ve probably heard, that if you put a frog in lukewarm water, the frog will just sit there. And then you start turning up the heat little by little until it starts to boil, and it’s too late. The frog is unconscious and can’t jump out.
Changes are not made all at once. We’re not going to have a government that takes away our rights not to believe all at once. But we’ve got to see the signs. We’ve got to see what is happening, and we have to be prepared to defend ourselves.
Last year, after a close Senate vote to approve her nomination to the Federal Court of Appeals, and she was approved, California Justice Janice Rogers Brown said that people of faith were in a war–they keep using that term war. She said they’re in a war against secular humanists, who threaten to divorce America from its religious roots. Brown complained that America has moved away from the religious tradition on which it is founded, and to which we need to get back.
In June 2002, responding the the 9th Circuit’s courageous decision concerning the Pledge of Allegiance, George Bush, the second, our president, said “I will only appoint judges who know their rights come from God.” Now Article VI of the United States Constitution specifically prohibits the use of any religious test for any public office. But I guess our president can legitmately claim complete ignorance of the Constitution as an excuse. (Laughter).
Crossposted here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/30/84059/1401
I suspect that statements like these from all those fundamentalist TV pundits are merely designed to whip up the frenzy while (Oh surprise!) the collection plate is being passed around again. Thanks Renee;-)
Atheists are the only group of people in this country that have no chance of serving in public office. There are probably only one or two districts in the country where an atheist can admit their atheism and win.
So, there is a tremendous amount of prejudice. It is easier to win in politics as a homosexual than as a non-believer.
I’m still working on the transcript of this event, but, yes, that came up a number of times, both during Lipman’s talk and in the Q and A afterwards. One woman in the audience said that coming out as a lesbian helped her muster the courage to come out as a Humanist. That really caught my attention–that telling people you were gay could be easier than telling them you are an Atheist/Humanist.
From Melvin Lipman’s talk:
We tend to live our lives separate from our Humanist identity, while others, literally, wear their identification on their sleeve or around their necks, or on the bumpers of their cars.
I’ll be transcribing and posting more of his talk in a bit, but speaking of things to put on the bumper of your car, you can find some below.
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve heard that the fastest growing religious group in the US is people who are not religious or at least don’t consider themselves to be a member of any particular sect.
You mention atheists being condescending in your diary, but to be honest I think that atheists have ceded far too much to religion in the past. You can question just about anything, but when it comes to matters of faith, most atheists won’t press the issue. Why does nobody publically say that George Bush is batshit crazy for claiming he talks to God? If anything, I think atheists bite our tongue more than we should because we don’t want to offend someone, no matter how insane their beliefs may be.
I think there needs to be a visible and vocal atheist presence out there because there are a lot of people who think that religion is bunk, but don’t want to come out of that closet. I think knowing that there are other atheists/agnostics/skeptics out there and knowing that you aren’t crazy to think that way is important for people, especially for kids. Maybe that would help reduce some of the stigma and make people realize that some of our most respected citizens past and present considered themselves to be atheists/agnostics/skeptics.
And Deists as well and since I looked up the definition I thought I would include it,
Yeah, that’s something that those blowhards talking about the “religious foundations of the country” don’t ever really like to mention. The Founders would be disgusted, I’m sure.
I agree. And I am so sympathetic to what you say, which is what the speaker said in his talk. But take a look at this excerpt:
Look at the parts I’ve bolded. I think they kind of work against the “we are not intellectual snobs” claim. I absolutely believe in separation of church and state, and I’m terribly concerned about the direction our government is taking. But if you’re looking for allies, if, as he often repeated, a big part of your goal is to get the public to be aware that “we’re nice people”, then the condescension sort of makes your job harder.