(cross-posted at Deny My Freedom and Daily Kos)
I’m going to preface this entry by saying that I live in New York, so I feel I have some right to speak as a constituent of Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY). In addition, the reason why the title of this entry is Why I would vote for Hillary Clinton is simply this: I attend college in Pennsylvania, and I feel that my vote in the 2006 midterm elections will be much more valuable to Pennsylvania’s Senate Democratic nominee, Bob Casey, then it will be for Clinton, who is going to easily cruise past her primary challenger, Jonathan Tasini, as well as her eventual Republican opponent in the general election.
Many in the blogosphere do not like Hillary Clinton. It’s a strange shift from the hearty support that the former First Lady drew during the 1990s, when many on the left applauded her for being more than your typical president’s wife. To me, the sources of this anger are largely twofold: first, many are upset with Clinton’s position on Iraq, particularly that she refuses to recant her 2002 vote to authorize Bush to use military force against Iraq. The tone of her reasoning certainly won’t win her any love from many of us – including myself:
Still, Mrs. Clinton has not backed away from her initial vote, a stand that has helped her avoid the sort of flip-flopping charges leveled by Republicans at Senator John Kerry during his 2004 presidential campaign, even as it has complicated her effort to distance herself from criticism that she was a war supporter.
“You know, you don’t get do-overs in life or in politics,” she said in an interview in late June. “You have to be a grown-up. I take my lumps.”
Of course you don’t get do-overs, but there’s nothing wrong with admitting mistakes – something the current occupant of the White House has been loath to do. But what that excerpt brings out is the second reason why many on the left do not like Hillary: they see her as someone who has slowly shifted to the right in preparation for a presidential run in 2008. Whether it be her hawkishness on matters of national security or a perceived rightward shift on abortion, many feel that she has abandoned her liberal roots in order to appeal to centrists around the country. Anytime Clinton is questioned about a potential presidential run, her campaign always sidesteps the question and states that she is focused on her re-election this year. When you see Time run a massive story on the possibility of Clinton ’08, though, it almost seems like it’s inevitable that she will run, much to the chagrin of progressives and liberals in the grassroots and the netroots.
I am no fan of Hillary Clinton. She is a card-carrying member of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), an organization that I revile for their hostile, dismissive attitude towards the netroots. Her hawkishness disturbs many of us who believe that the current conflicts in the world must be solved through diplomatic, not military, means. But if I were voting in New York this year, I would be pulling the lever for her on Septemer 12, even if I am more in line with Jonathan Tasini’s views – and below are my reasons why.
Who is Jonathan Tasini?
I consider myself to be fairly informed about politics. However, I didn’t have a clue about Jonathan Tasini’s background until I went to the Wikipedia entry on him. His own campaign website doesn’t have a biography of what he does. So for those of you who may be in the dark about him, here’s a bit about Tasini:
Jonathan Tasini (born 1956) in Houston, Texas, is the current president of the Economic Future Group, a national consulting group in the United States. He is a strategist, organizer, activist, commentator and writer, primarily focusing his energies on the topics of work, labor and the economy. He writes most frequently for the popular labor and economy blog Working Life. He is currently challenging incumbent Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic primary.
From 1990 to April 2003, he served as president of the National Writers Union (UAW Local 1981). Tasini’s term as NWU president was quite controversial and divisive; some members blame him for failing to act properly when members began to notice problems with the union’s health insurance program. Ultimately, the insurance company was unmasked as a fraudulent operation and went under, leaving members with unpaid bills and no coverage.
Some members stood by Tasini, who remains the union’s president emeritus, while others bitterly criticized his leadership skills. The union began suffering a severe dip in membership during the later years of his term and has not recovered.
Tasini was the lead plaintiff in the case of New York Times Co. v. Tasini, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in June 2001) in favor of the copyright claims of writers whose work was republished in electronic databases. He is also the president and executive director of the Creators Federation.
This little bit draws into question just how competent Tasini is. It appears that under his watch, the union that he led suffered a great deal from declining membership and from being linked to a fraudulent insurance company. There doesn’t appear to be much love from members of the NWU:
With the reputation of the Tasini-Menaker regime having tarnished the NWU throughout the writing world, how badly will this hinder the NWU’s organizing efforts–efforts that President-elect Colby has promised to make a priority? The arrogance and power-hunger of the outgoing regime (one can hardly term it `leadership’) has crippled the NWU, something it can ill afford as it struggles to gain members and revive itself as a primary and indispensable bulwark against the global corporate onslaught. How will the new organizing VPs encourage writers to reassert their role in the struggle? How will we undo the damage? What’s in all this to attract new members to the cause of writers in particular and labor in general?
Taking a look at Tasini’s stances on the issues, there is much that the grassroots would support: immediate withdrawal of the troops from Iraq, impeachment of both Bush and Dick Cheney, pro-gay marriage, and anti-death penalty. The positions he takes appeals to liberals like myself who would be more inclined to vote in a primary election. But while his positions on national issues are excellent, how good is his grip on local issues in New York? Being a senator is a position of national prominence, but it is replete with local politics. Clinton has worked hard to ditch the notion that she is a carpetbagger, connecting with and surprising people in New York, particularly residents in the more conservative upstate region. Her issues page highlights what she has done for the New York. An excerpt from the Time article shows how she familiarized herself with the military presence in the state:
This year the Republicans couldn’t even find a credible candidate to take her on, in no small part because of the inroads she has made in more conservative upstate New York. There are other unlikely places where she has won friends and admirers. When Hillary was first elected, General John Keane, then Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, sought an audience, hoping to acquaint the new Senator with some of the Army’s priorities in her state, including West Point and the perpetually deployed 10th Mountain Division, based at Fort Drum. It didn’t entirely surprise him that it took three months to get on her schedule or that, once he did, her staff called his twice to remind him that she couldn’t spare more than 15 minutes.
When he finally got in to see her, however, the meeting did not go as he had expected. For starters, it lasted 45 minutes. “She committed immediately to West Point and the 10th Mountain Division, with follow-up on-site visits,” he says. “But it was her enormous depth of knowledge about the military and her sincerity about our people which surprised and disarmed me.” As First Lady, Hillary told Keane, she had traveled the globe and had often been able to see parts of the world that security prevented her husband from visiting but where the U.S. Army was always present. “She had an extraordinary grasp of our military culture, our soldiers, our families and what it was like for them,” Keane marvels.
Another favorable personal recounting comes from The New Republic:
But, if her relationship to Elmira at the start of her campaign was tenuous at best, since then the town has become emblematic of just how intimately Clinton has gotten to know the geography, politics, and personalities of upstate New York–and how well upstate New York has gotten to know her.
Sitting in a living room adorned with pictures of Clinton posing with various members of his family, Elmira City Council member and former Mayor Jim Hare ticks off all the local places she has been: Bradley Farms, the Hilliard Corporation, Granny’s Restaurant, the warplane museum, Brand Park, Elmira City Hall, Light’s Bake Shop, Mandell’s Restaurant. “She shakes hands with people, and they come away very impressed,” says Hare, a moderate Democrat. “She’s not the demon they thought she was.”
Recently, the New York Times did a profile of Tasini. He hardly comes off as someone who can easily work the crowds and pick up supporters:
Tramping across picnic blankets before the outdoor movie in Bryant Park on Monday night — “Take off your shoes,” people yelled — Mr. Tasini drew skeptical glares as he bellowed: “New York Democrats? Any Democrats here?”
Here and there he was invited to make his pitch: that Senator Clinton “supports criminalizing flag-burning,” “supports discrimination against gay couples on marriage,” and “supports the Yankees even though I’m the lifelong Yankees fan.” He was clearly grateful for any attention.
Out of 20 voters who talked to Mr. Tasini, about half said in interviews afterward that they would consider voting for him. Among those were a group of young female voters, a demographic that the Clinton camp views as part of its core support.
The same Times article begins with a reference to Ned Lamont and his victorious surge to the Senate Democratic nomination in Connecticut. Lamont was able to gain popularity among the grassroots because he went to town committee meetings, really got to know the local issues well, and had an outstanding background – a successful small business executive who has volunteered his time as an after-school public school teacher. Jonathan Tasini’s most notable accomplishment appears to have been driving a national union into the ground.
Hillary Clinton is a team player
It may surprise you to know that Hillary was once president of a College Republicans chapter. However, as long as she has been a Democrat, she has been a staunch supporter of the Democratic Party. Her move towards the center has led to some improbable alliances, such as those with former House speaker Newt Gingrich on the issue of health care. But she has never used her position as a Democratic senator to lash into the Democratic Party. And although she may be shifting her position on Iraq more slowly than other prominent Democrats, such as Senator John Kerry or former senator John Edwards, it is clear that she is recognizing that the war is becoming worse the longer we stay there, or that the political winds are shifting, or both. She voted for the Levin/Reed resolution that stated the Bush administration needed to formulate an exit strategy. More recently, Clinton has called for Donald Rumsfeld’s resignation – a move that comes better late than never. Some gripe over Hillary’s corporate ties, but she supports net neutrality, even though an official from her husband’s administration, Mike McCurry, does not – and says so in an extremely hostile manner. And if one looks at Clinton’s Progressive Punch scorecard, she does surprisingly well – she is ranked 10th overall. That’s higher than either Russ Feingold or John Kerry.
I do not have exact figures for the amount of money that Hillary has given to other Democrats, but it’s sure to be a decent amount, given her prodigious fundraising skills. On her political action committee’s website, she is raising money for all kinds of Democrats – whether they be for shoo-ins such as Dianne Feinstein, incumbents in a tight race such as Daniel Akaka, challengers such as OH-Sen Democratic candidate Sherrod Brown, longshots such as TX-Sen Democratic candidate Barbara Ann Radnofsky, and netroots favorites such as NY-29 Democratic candidate Eric Massa.
Joe Lieberman got in trouble in Connecticut not solely because of his position on Iraq. It’s for writing editorials that blast those in his party and for being an egoist of the highest order. Although Hillary endorsed Lieberman during the primary, afterwards, she endorsed Lamont, donated $5,000 from HILLPAC, and more recently, offered to raise more money along with lending Lamont one of her senior advisors, Howard Wolfson, for the duration of the campaign. This is what being a good Democrat is about; even though they may differ on Iraq, they are nearly identical on all other issues. Lieberman, on the other hand, is throwing the Democratic House challengers under the bus now that they support Lamont.
One also questions just how good of a Democrat Jonathan Tasini is. He hailed Lamont’s victory as a sign that his campaign would gain traction, but shortly thereafter, he criticized Lamont:
“I, frankly, differ with Ned Lamont,” he told WNYC’s Brian Lehrer. “You know let’s be honest, Ned Lamont is not a progressive Democrat. Ned Lamont’s position on war has shifted a number of times…. Ned Lamont’s position on the war did shift and I don’t see his position as being the same as mine.”
It seems rather disingenuous to criticize the person one hopes to follow to an insurgent victory in a Democratic primary. The general feeling one gets from Tasini is that he knows he has no chance at getting any sort of real support in the primary. He has no money and no real support from the grassroots. All that he is getting from this is free publicity, perhaps to rehabilitate his public image after his unceremonious departure from the NWU.
Conclusion
As I said above, I’m probably more aligned with Jonathan Tasini on the issues than Hillary Clinton has been. But as a Democrat, I would not be able to, in good faith, vote for someone who doesn’t present himself as genuine political candidate or as a good representative of the Democratic Party. Hillary is a very good Democrat. Do I want to see her be president? No; I think we need someone who is less hawkish in charge of repairing our diplomatic relations with the world after the Bush administration leaves town in 2009. But as a senator from New York, she gets my full support.
Psi, I wanted to tell you that you impress me beyond belief with your insight and grasp of the political situation. I am only hoping you are getting even more young people like yourself involved at some level. This is a great piece on why Hillary does deserve our support as a Senator. Except for her vote on Iraq, she is one of the best bets America has in a Senator who will work for the people while not ignoring her own constituents.
I won’t vote for her. She has been a moderate Republican at best.
I recognize that she is assured victory, and Tasini may be no angel, but there is value imo in a protest vote.
Her Voting record is more liberal than most Democratic Senators.
Bullshit.
check the record. Except for Irag, she has a great voting record.
I don’t mean to get in the middle of this, but that strikes me as a pretty huge except.
what has she done on healthcare? Wait, I know, they aren’t in power so she can’t do much, right? Somehow, though, she’s found the time to raise mountains of corporate cash. She’s found time to cozy up to Murdoch. She paraded before cameras to push Republican-like initiatives against FLAG BURNING. Found time to bitch about video games.
She’s a showboat, all flash and no substance. She votes endlessly for more money to kill, but does nothing to help vets harmed by their own government. She is a shill for the war criminals in Tel Aviv. HOW IS ANY OF THAT “LIBERAL”?
She’s liberal like Joe Lieberman is liberal. Nothing but empty votes so that she looks good on interest group scorecards, yet NO demonstration of real leadership. You people who go on and on in the Big Boy Blogs about Lamont are merely helping reinforce a cadre that continues to render this party worthless when it comes to the genuine needs of the people. If you really cared about liberal values, you’d be helping to put pressure on Vichy Dems like Clinton.
Just because I like Hillary’s record on some things does not make me a vichey democrat. You check out the work I do on campaigns and then talk to me about what type of democrat I am. You read my dairies or talk to me but don’t attack me when you don’t know a damn thing about me!!!
wasn’t calling you a Vichy, but rather Hillary. Conflate the two if you want, but personally I don’t take criticism of candidates I support with criticism of me. To do so feels a little like idolotry.
I know that very liberal and passionate people make the decision to swallow their reservations and continue to support hacks like Hillary. I know that there are strong arguments offered for doing so. I’d counter those with pointing out that supporting Vichy Dems like Hillary has gained the left nothing, but rather hurt our cause.
Supporting faux liberals, who demonstrate their progressivism only w/ empty votes WITHOUT offering genuine leadership or new ideas serves only to help the right continue to make gains. I voted for the lesser of two evils for many years. I feel foolish now for having done so, and I would suggest to others that they might feel more empowered if they walked away from the broken leadership of this broken party.
Follow your conscience, but don’t take my impassioned critique of clueless politicians so personally. We’ll never have the vital conversation that the left so desperately needs to have if we only mimic the Republicans’ tendency to create cults of personality.
nice hit piece. Well done. I hope it gets you up another rung of the ladder on your next campaign.
that’s just obnoxious. He was actually too kind to Tasini.
Lets see, a hit piece in the Likudist NY Times and New Republic. Hmmmm …
He is a clown and a fraud.
Any jackass can craft positions more to the liking of progressives than Hillary’s. That doesn’t make you a good candidate to represent New York.
It should not surprise you that New York politicians tend to be very pro-Israel, which is not synonymous with being a Likudnik.
Hillary, if she has a history, has a history of being a little too cozy with the Arab side of the equation for the tastes of some of her constituents. Remember, god forbid, when she kissed Mrs. Arafat?
Remember when she ‘prematurely’ called for a Palestinian state?
So now she is working double time to make up for those even-handed miscues.
It’s part Hillary being a classic Clinton and part the nature of being a NY pol.
But none of that makes Tasini a Hillary, a Moynihan, a RFK, a Javits. He’s just a little hustler with a history of deceit and incompetence.
as opposed to a BIG hustler with a history of deceit and incompetence, a la Billary.
She kissed Mrs. Arafat how many years ago? Being a rabid hawk backing Likud IS NOT the same thing as serving ALL of her Jewish constituents, but merely serving a very rich, loud and vindictive special interest group, one which enables the right-wing war crimes and land grabs in Israel.
You have a wonderful ability to see only the bright side of centrist hacks whose ONLY redeeming qualities are their insider access and willingness to kiss corporate and establishment asses.
I am not interested in defending Hillary. But people shouldn’t get it in their head that the answer is Tasini.
so a vote for your values, ESPECIALLY to protest your current Senator’s betrayal of those values, is fruitless? How exactly, then, do you force a politician to change? Giving them more money when they betray you doesn’t make much sense, does it? Voting for them when they sell you out only ratifies what they’ve been doing. So how, exactly, do voters make war hawks like Benedict Clinton change their behavior. Begging, maybe?
I watched a panel discussion on CSPAN right after that hack Kerry went down to his well-earned defeat. Joe Conason told a story about a confrontation between a labor leader and FDR at the beginning of their alliance. The labor leader was complaining to FDR that he wasn’t doing enough to help working people, asking him what his organization could do to help their people, to get FDR to do more. Conason said that FDR looked the man in the eye, and said, “MAKE ME”.
There are three ways to make a politician to do something:
WHICH one do you think regular liberal voters have available to them, the only one that they have available? Given Hillary’s VERY wealthy owners/benefactors, little $50 Act Blue donations don’t matter for squat. She doesn’t seem to actually believe in ANYTHING, so that leaves threatening her job. Believe me, if Tasini comes in with 20% or 25% of the vote, reinforcing the narative that the base of the party has had enough w/ the warmongering, Senator Clinton will at least pretend to pay more attention. If she doesn’t, a stronger run than predicted makes challenging her NEXT time more viable, while having the added bonus of seriously weakening her argument to be the Presidential nominee.
THERE is some realpolitick for you, from someone too often described by people as some kind of “purist” or “single issue voter”.
we have a lot bigger problems than Hillary’s attempts to Thatcherize herself. Tasini is a buffoon. Put Spitzer up against her and I’ll get very interested. Until then, I’m content to have her in the Senate. A passive vote for ‘other’ in the primary is fine by me, I just don’t want people thinking Tasini is some kind of Paul Wellstone that deserves their passionate support. He’s not. There are a lot of writers that would like to see him in shackles.
Chuck Pennacchio was a great guy that would have made a great Senator if he could have broken through the media blackout and raised real money. The same cannot be said of Tasini, even though their positions are similar. That’s all I’m saying.
Hillary “Thatcherizing” herself is part and parcel of the problem. Everytime supposed “liberal” Democrats adopt rightwing formulations of the issues, the ratify those formulations. Bill Clinton did as much or more to rip the safety net out from under the poor than Reagan EVER did, and he did it while reinforcing the Republican idea that the poor are lazy good-for-nothings who must be forced to lift themselves up, and his wife is every bit as bad. She is no worse than most of the rest of the institutional party. Lieberman is just the most vocal about helping the Republicans and their patrons, but Clinton, Reid, Schumer, Emmanuel etc all quietly betray us every bit as much as Lieberman. It’s the kisses we DON’T SEE that are really destroying this country.
Oh, and Spitzer would be getting nowhere w/o the support of Hillary’s machine, count on it, and they certainly won’t let him run against her, ever.
Once again, you are out of your element.
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Spitzer is going to get over 70% of the vote and likely swamp at least 3 Republican seats in Congress.
Spitzer is Superman and Moynihan’s machine is irrelevent. And Hillary used Moynihan’s machine to get elected. She didn’t have one. Now she probably has a good team together, but she hardly needs it.
ooooo, a lazy sports metaphor to explain a man who’s doing well after many years of good work as AG, a man who DOES work with and does still need the Moynihan/Clinton machine. Maybe he doesn’t need it as much as others would. Perhaps in time he won’t, but he’s where he is now party b/c he cultivated that machine.
I lived in NYC for a decade. I’m well aquainted with the politics there.
There’s a great deal of difference between the politics of NYC and the politics of NY overall.
I know that as well, and I also know that’s Spitzer’s base is at least partly in the City and the near suburbs.
Sorry, I bow before your superior wisdom and will shut up now. You’re plainly wise beyond your years and my 20+ years as a voting citizen and observer of the politics of this country has left me utterly clueless. Apparently the two decades of triangulation and the gradual destruction of the New Deal and rollback of Civil Rights gains weren’t REALLY aided and abetted by the Democrats. I was mistaken. The politics of both the state of NY and NYC were beyond my ken as well, and apparently are working better than I thought.
Thanks for the schooling.
There’s no need to be an asshole, which, quite frankly, is what you’re being. I’m trying to have an honest conversation here, and you’re being a prick.
Too kind? Quoting the Lehrer comment out of context… to make Tasini look bad… that was too kind? Esp when, given the CONTEXT, it was perfectly reasonable to say Lamont is a moderate… esp after Lehrer mentioned that Lamont himself and his NYT endorsement describe him as such… and after Lehrer quoted Lamont as saying he would endorse Hillary over Tasini — the true blue progressive — cause she’s a team player and endorsed the no-date Levin res on Iraq… oh puhleeze… but then, like I said, ya had to BE there… in the context and all.
When one wants to do a hit piece, as MM called this, one does snip out of context and blockquote it as if .. as if what? Oh, I guess to show tasini cant share the progressive pie with others, wants it all for himself? Nah, ‘taint Tasini wot does that… it’s the allegeged progressives themselves, who push away the plate of pie, or pretend to swallow but then spit it into their napkin to show the players (DLCed) they aint REALLY all that.
As for his union leadership,I did beaucoup research on that. I recognize that quote Psi chose… it is from one disgruntled member of opposition faction. But on the other side, Tasini did have the position for 13 years… does say something, no? He increased membership threefold under his tenure, won a landmark case for writers, and he did follow the correct procedures re the insurance scam, and red flagged the problem as soon as he was told of the scamming. He was reviewed by a neutral oversight committee re the actions he took during the entire period and the report gives him a clean bill of health.
I thought you were a progressive Booman? Against Iraq war. How could you possibly say what you just said, that he should have gone harder on him? What is your justification for saying that?
Speaking of justification, when Hillary appeared on MTP, she said, sanguine as all get out, Oh, I have always believed in regime change. That was justification for her upcoming IWR aye in Oct 02. Yes, regime change. How many countries would be justified in doing “regime change” on our sorry-assed nation by waging either preventive or retaliatory war on YOU and ME thanks to thinking like HERS in our govt over the past half century, climaxing in US imperialist disaster in the ME presently? A shitload, if they thought they could get away with Hillary’s despicably breezy justifications for making (illegal, unnecessary, barbaric)war. That and the WMD that er might uh may um just possibly could be there. Fuck.
Fuck her. And her permanent bases too. And her Murdoch fundraisers and Time Warner 100k goody bag. Hillary gets tons of corporate money, health, telecommunications… She is a true DLCed establishment player with deep republican roots, so it is easy for her to dip back into home turf. Play Ms Thatcher Americanus… for 2008 …
And good on Tasini for stepping up to give progressive NY Dems a place to go and a voice for peace (Lebanon and Iraq… next stop Iran… etc). He is a good blueprint for others to follow in the party, not someone to be reviled as alleged progressives insist on doing, like in this diary. Not eating your own if you dont really own it I guess…(ie, progressive values)
As a NYer and lifelong Dem, a progressive Dem, I cannot but say I will NeVER vote for Hillary again. Or Schumer, who says he’d still do this war on Iraq… even knowing what we know… on Lebanon too, and the I/P… “representin” us on the Hill.What a duo of foreign policy creeps and failures, rotten spots on the big apple, are our two senators.
At least Tasini actually responded to concerns about the healthcare issue he did not create at the NWU, whereas Hillary was so AWOL on Iraq war concerns, she was reputed to have met with zero anti war groups and was mocked with “It takes a bomber to raze a village” on pamphlets in NYC. Rightly so. Yeah, Psi quotes how impressive she is on the military. I know. I wrote her my concerns on the war and all I got in return was a gushy valentine, an ode of a salute to the armed forces USA that would give “the mighty eagle soars” a run for its money.
She. Did/Would. Not. See/Hear. Opposing. Views. On. The. Most. Important. Issue. Of. Her. Tenure. For. Our. Nation/World.
She is not fit to represent us.
Tasini, whatever his flaws,is a far far better choice.
But please do tell us why this aint so… and why Psi wasnt hard enough on her…
I’ve never seen such hostile words from another BooTribber, so I have to say this: what the fuck is this about? I’m speaking as NY resident. I have no intention of supporting a presidential run by Hillary, but I think she’s the best person for the job as of now.
And for the record, I have never worked for any campaign. All I have ever done is volunteer ground work, whether it be for Kerry, Hoeffel, Corzine, or Lamont. I’m also in school for a completely different subject than anything politically related. So please don’t accuse me of some sort of political opportunism where there isn’t any. Thanks.
I’m a NY’er too and Hillary will not be getting my vote. Tasini serves a purpose here. We know Hillary will win this election but she needs to be taken down a few pegs to show we are displeased with her and if she doesn’t shape up this will be her last term. Winning the primary by a smaller margin sends an extremely important message to her and the Democratic Party here in NY. Someone needs to put the brakes on her and a vote for Tasini in the primary is the ONLY thing she will understand.
A vote for Tasini in the primary will also make her think twice about keeping her stance on the war if she steps out on the national stage as it is not playing well at home.
To give Hillary a huge victory in the primary is downright silly, a wasted opportunity to let her know you don’t like her nearly well enough.
A vote for Tasini may send a ‘message’ to Hillary. But I won’t vote for someone just to ‘send a message’ to their opponent. I’d like to have a positive reason to vote for someone. Tasini’s negatives, most of which consist of his absolute gutting of the NWU under his 13-year dictatorial rule, outweigh his progressive positions. As Booman said above, anyone could have the same policy stances that he does. He’s not that special, and he has not proven in the past that he has the capability or the personal qualities needed to be a senator.
That’s why he won’t get my vote. I have a problem with Hillary’s hawkishness, but she has been a good senator for NY. I joke all the time about upstate NY being irrelevant, but she has done a lot of good work for the region.
okay, so you’ll reject someone who advocates actual progressive values because of his history running his union, but you’ll embrace somebody who supports endless war and profiteering?!?!
Hillary has been good for some big businesses and rich people in NY. That’s it. She’s done squat for that state otherwise (transplanted citizen of NYC here, by the way).
And Hillary is counting on you feeling that way, that’s why she hasn’t even deigned to debate her Democratic opponent which is a completely arrogant slap in your face as a voter.
You must not mind being a battered Democrat in NY, count me out. I’ll make a final decision in November but in September Tasini is by far the smarter way for a Progressive to make themselves heard in the primary.
I have no argument with that. Vote for whomever you want. I only want to make sure people understand that it is nothing more than a protest vote, and that Tasini is not genuine. I would rather have Hillary hold that seat because she can actually hold it.
As for Hillary’s Thatcherization, that is part of their calculation. They are very pleased to be getting hammered from the left. She has totally beaten back the idea she is a fringe radical leftist. She needed to do that. It’s part Clintonian politics, part facing reality, part NY politics.
Moynihan pissed me off occassionally, too. Schumer infuriates me on a regular basis. D’Amato was a complete idiot.
I’d be happy with Hillary as a Senator from New York that doesn’t have Presidential aspirations. It is those aspirations that are driving her stands on many issues. But I expect all NY pols to piss me off on a regular basis.
I hate triangulation and I refuse to reward it. Why should I take the fucking NEw REpublican’s word for it that Tasini isn’t genuine. I like his views and I like him.
I have little respect for the NyTimes or their reporting, and none what so ever for the New Republican.