Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Well, I’m afraid I’m still not with you, sir, because, I mean, if a Russian attack was not in progress, then your use of Plan R – in fact, your order to the entire Wing… Oh. I would say, sir, that there were something dreadfully wrong somewhere.
General Jack D. Ripper: Now why don’t you just take it easy, Group Captain, and please make me a drink of grain alcohol and rainwater, and help yourself to whatever you’d like.
[Mandrake snaps to attention and salutes]
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: General Ripper, Sir, as an officer in Her Majesty’s Air Force, it is my clear duty, under the present circumstances, to issue the recall code, upon my own authority, and bring back the Wing. If you’ll excuse me, sir.
[He finds the doors locked]
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I’m afraid, sir, I must ask you for the key, and the recall code. Have you got them handy, sir?
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No, I don’t think I do, sir, no.
General Jack D. Ripper: He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
I’ve noticed a dispiriting fact recently while observing the phalanx of retired talking-head generals parade before the cameras of our corporate political programs. Whether it is Gen. Batiste, Gen. McCaffrey, Gen. Zinni, or Gen. Downing, they all respond to every question with the same mantra.
Russert shows a graphic that Iraq is losing the economic equivalent of the city of Detroit every four weeks (due to emigration). McCaffrey says, “Well, the important thing for the American people to understand is the importance of victory and the catastrophic implications of defeat.” Never mind that these responses are always non sequiturs. The salient point is that the Generals have no answers. The only thing they seem to agree on is that we must keep trying, keep fighting, and keep dying. They are not very good at explaining why we must do these things. They do not hash out the likely downside to American interests if we suffer ‘defeat’. Rather, they just declare that defeat would be bad, perhaps very bad.
Sometimes they take a stab at it, deploring the resultant ‘loss of prestige’, for example. Or they might declare that defeat will ’embolden the enemy’. What they don’t do is explain how fighting for six more months, or eighteen more months, will lesson the fallout from our defeat. In fact, by framing the alternatives as binary (all or nothing, victory or defeat) they wind up offering no plan for mitigating the fallout. It’s as if they have been dumbed down to the level of a Karl Rove political talking point.
And I wonder what the point is of them making television appearances if this is the best they have to offer. They seem to be proving Clemenceau right, that war is too important to be left to the generals. One wonders whether they think the ‘terrorists’ are going to sap our precious bodily fluids.
We just had an election, and it will be two years before we have a chance to have another. But, if the Washington Establishment doesn’t begin to engage in some serious introspection, not just about the Iraq War but about the last fifty years of consensus foreign policy, the next election will be considerably more hostile to incumbents than the last one (and to both parties). There are consequences for failure, for overextension, for fiscal mismanagement, for becoming a rogue nation in the eyes of the world. The midterms were a mere canary in a coal mine.
Iraq is not Vietnam. We will not just take a mulligan. Our standard of living is going to suffer. Our ability to travel is going to suffer. And hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of people are going to die (think Cambodia on steroids) as a result of the broken state of Iraq. I know there are no easy answers. But we need some people to grow up and act like adults. Talk of victory is empty drivel, utterly beside the point. What we need now is talk of mitigation. How do we limit the fallout? How do limit the bloodshed? How do we prevent major economic shockwaves?
The threat of terrorism, even on a 9/11 scale, pales in comparison to the economic and humanitarian risks unleashed by our invasion of Iraq. The neo-conservative vision has failed totally. It has not failed in part. It has not failed due to a lack of forces, planning, or resolve. It failed strategically, and it failed utterly. And in failing, it disturbed and unraveled our entire post-World War Two foreign policy posture and strategic thinking.
Talk of victory is just insulting.
version of how things really are…
You really DO have to be a complete, boot-licking asshole to become a general in today’s armed forces.
C’mon, here…
This is not rocket science.
A-The networks are run by the corporations that have a financial interest in “staying the course.” Why do they want to do this? BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL MAKING TRILLIONS OFF OF THE SITUATION!!!
B-The government is also owned by the same interests.
C-The armed forces are a branch of the government.
D-The amoral (but quite shrewd) assholes in power at the top of the corporate food chain hire progressively LESS shrewd assholes to run the government, the armed forces AND the media.
And WAY down the food chain, you get…”retired” (Therefore unsuccessful on the level of staying in a position of corporate power once they leave the service) generals making a little extra bread being the same assholes they were when they actually had a gig.
Duh.
“RETIRED”.
As in “RE” (once more).
And “TIRED” (All wore out.)
RE-TIRED.
Why do you WATCH this crap?
NEWSTRIKE!!!
Goddamnit.
AG
Mr. Gilroy, Good take on RE-TIRED. I likened what you meant to “Retread”,
putting a new “rubber” on the same old dick. I was watching these retreads a few minutes ago discussing whether “we” should kill Al Sadr.
One said it would be a good idea to do that if he resists arrest. The other retread says we shouldn`t make a “martyr” out of him.
When are people going to really see these “retreads as simply “bald re-tires” causually talking of assasination on a world platform.
“Why do you watch this crap?” I like to see the sheet music, so I know how to improvise.
Its all about the politics of “who lost the war”. None of these self-styled experts and neither our political leaders are willing to call a spade a spade. Bush unleashed anarchy in Iraq. The US military does not who it is fighting on any given day. Sometimes its a faction of the Mahdi militia at other times its one of the Sunni factions. The Iraqis are going to fight it out for power. The US military is caught in between with no strategy, with no end game and no exit.
While chaos reigns in Iraq, US soldiers die and get wounded every day and so do thousands of Iraqis.
There is no leaders with courage in America today willing to accept responsibility. Hopefully in January the Dems will start shining a spotlight in Congress and the American people can see the cowards in daylight.
is not an option! Come January we’re taking the mulligan. You don’t have enough troops to go big, that hardly makes going long much of a possibility unless you’re talking out of your ass either baby 🙂 The paid for TV generals can talk out of their ass because it isn’t on the line right now. They can just make shit up and they do. Even the guys with their asses on the line make shit up but at least they sweat a lot and their fingers start swelling due to the stress.
the question remains is that day now?
We including our incredibly poor officer corps have a simplistic cartoon book, super hero, hollywood b-movie vision of war. We really fail to see that war is fought to achieve a political or economic end and if that end is not achieved we have lost. We seem to believe it is like some sport game where if you win all the company level up enounters you win the war. We have lost in Iraq badly and instead of prnacing around pretending we are unbeatable and hence cannot have lost our politicians of all shades and our useless generals should accpt recponsibility for the defeat they have led us to, and then examine why we were defeated and learn from it. Sadly we never botherd to do this after our clear defeat in Vietnam. The failure to examine the real reasons for our defeat have led to thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thouands of dead foreigners. Are we destined yet again to make the ludicrous claim that our invincible military only had to be withdrawn because of lack of support at home or will we be honest and admit what really went wrong. I have my doubts that there is any will in the civilian and military leadership of our once great country for anyone to admit the truth let alone take responsibility for their actions.
As much as the generals want to appear to have freed themselves from their restrictions as Active Duty officers, they just won’t endanger their futures! And these folks are the folks that were running our vaunted military!
It was a joke and it will be a joke. The simple fact is that Ike gave us probably the first warning!
The Military/ Industrial complex will do and say anything to maintain their power and given the known involvement of the bush family (not to mention the unknown ties), all I can say is :there is trouble in this country- big trouble!