If we are going to instigate the process to remove Dick Cheney and George W. Bush from office, we are going to need the quiet go-ahead from at least eighteen Republican Senators. It’s premature to judge what our chances are because it won’t really begin to become clear until the oversight committees start their work. But it is not too early to see where we are right now.
It is my contention that the GOP can take Bush and Cheney down at any time. All they need is for Republicans that work within the various agencies to leak the right paperwork or suggest the right people to subpoena. But before they are willing to do that, they will need to be convinced of the necessity of replacing Bush and Cheney. This isn’t a matter of arguing over the impeachability of this or that specific charge. This is a matter of the Republicans (or a significant minority of their caucus) becoming convinced that the nation cannot afford another two years of Bush and Cheney guiding our foreign policy and ruining the GOP brand. I believe that there already exists a rump in the Senate that is willing to consider impeachment for specific national security reasons. They do not believe Bush and Cheney are capable of leading us out of Iraq or that they can lead us to ‘victory’. These Republicans are realists who see the Presidency as essentially bankrupt and paralyzed. I have little proof, but I think we can put the following Senators into that category.
1. Chuck Hagel
2. Richard Lugar
3. Arlen Specter
4. Gordon Smith
5. Lindsay Graham
6. Olympia Snowe
7. John McCain
8. John Warner
I think the real question is whether they are ten more GOP Senators that can be convinced their best interests lie in removing the administration. Here’s a list of who I think might eventually join in what is essentially a vote-of-no-confidence coup. The list is heavy on senior Senators. These are the people have been in Congress a long time and are not from the post-Reagan generation of hyper partisanship. They may be bedrock conservatives, but their experience could lead them to put the country over their President. I think this possibility will become more likely after Bush lays out his new way forward for Iraq. I anticipate that the new way forward will garner little to no true enthuisiasm within the GOP caucus and will cause a wave of panic.
9. Pete Domenici
10. Orrin Hatch
11. Ted Stevens
12. Robert Bennett
13. Thad Cochran
14. John Ensign
15. Charles Grassley
16. Jon Kyl
17. Richard Shelby
18. John Sununu
19. John Thune
20. Susan Collins
I anticipate that a lot of people will take a look at some of the names on this list and think it preposterous that they would ever support removing the President and Vice-President from office. But it is important to remember that the administration is simply not listening to advice. They are not really consulting Congress, they are overruling the judgment of their military commanders, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the conclusions of our intelligence agencies and the Jim Baker-led Iraq Study Group. If they decide to come out for a major escalation, that is when the wise old men of the Senate will begin to take a serious look at impeachment.
The job for the Democrats is to make it clear that we will not start an inquiry of impeachment until we have reached agreement with a bloc of 18 Senators about a caretaker government. An impeachment inquiry must be based on three elements.
1) A consensus view within the Senate that we simply cannot afford two more years of Bush and Cheney in charge of our foreign policy.
2) That the impeachment inquiry is not an effort to take the White House out of Republican hands, but only to take it out of Bush and Cheney’s hands.
3) That the process will be fair and articles will only be voted out of the House Judiciary Committee if they are warranted by high crimes and misdemeanors.
It is my belief that once the GOP agrees that Bush and Cheney are too big of a foreign policy liability to remain in office that evidence can by produced that directly contradicts Bush and Cheney’s representations, and calls their truthfulness and law-abidingness into such question that impeachment will not be a political liability for anyone. For one example, the NSA could leak evidence that clearly shows they have been spying without warrants on American phone calls, and that it had nothing to do with, or was not significantly limited to suspected terrorists. I admit that that belief of mine is largely one of faith. But I have a high degree of confidence in my hunch.
Impeachment is a tool for removing executive officers that are not fit to remain in office, for any reason. If Bush refused to show up for work he could be impeached for it. If he became incapacitated, he could be impeached for it. In this case, he has lost the ability to lead, he is showing dangerous psychological tendencies, and the country can’t wait for a functioning presidency until his term of office is up. In this situation, the duty of the Congress is to replace him. And since Cheney has all the same problems and is showing all the same tendecies, Congress must take radical and unprecedented steps.
However, having said that, the actual articles of impeachment must have more legal basis than asserting the President has lost his credibility and is pursuing bad policies.
We will see what oversight turns up. The important thing to remember here is that we are not going to convince 18 Republicans to impeach the President AND the Vice-President over upholding the rule of law (barring really damning revelations). We are going to convince them on two wholly practical considerations:
1) Bush and Cheney are incapable of directing our foreign policy and not acting responsibly as commanders-in-chief.
2) Bush and Cheney are destroying the GOP brand and hurting the party’s future political prospects.
These two facts, and they are increasingly accepted by Republicans (at least quietly) as facts, form the basis for a consensus.
It is not about revenge or gaining political power or, ultimately, the rule of law. It’s about doing what is absolutely critical for the well being of the country.
Go below for an excerpt that kind of shows the mood in the Senate on this issue.
For a solid Republican who had originally voted for the war, the words spoken by the senator, Gordon H. Smith of Oregon, on the evening of Dec. 7 were incendiary and marked a stunning break with the president.
“I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day,” Mr. Smith said. “That is absurd. It may even be criminal.”
But the real impact of the address came not just from Mr. Smith’s words, but from the way he delivered them. His somber cadence resonated in a way that made political Washington take notice, transforming him into one of the most talked-about Republicans heading into the new Congress.
After acknowledging that he had been “rather silent” on Iraq since voting to authorize the war in 2002, Mr. Smith said he was rising “to speak from my heart” because he had witnessed “the slow undoing of our efforts there.”
“I remember the pride I felt when the statue of Saddam Hussein came down,” he said. “I remember the thrill when three times, Iraqis risked their own lives to vote democratically in a way that was internationally verifiable as well as legitimate and important. Now all those memories seem much like ashes to me.”
“Many things have been attributed to George Bush,” Mr. Smith said, “but I do not believe him to be a liar.”
He continued, “He is not guilty of perfidy, but I do believe he is guilty of believing bad intelligence and giving us the same. I can’t tell you how devastated I was to learn that in fact we were not going to find weapons of mass destruction.”
Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, stopped short as he was walking out of the chamber to listen to Mr. Smith. He was so struck by the speech that he called him to congratulate him, an aide to Mr. Kennedy said.
A White House official also quickly called Mr. Smith to discuss his speech, Mr. Smith said in an interview.
Before his speech, Mr. Smith had last garnered national publicity with efforts to pass legislation to prevent suicides among youths after his son, Garrett, killed himself in 2003, on the day before his 22nd birthday.
But within days of the Iraq speech, Mr. Smith emerged as a new spokesman for an endangered political species: the moderate Republican.
In the process, Mr. Smith may have signaled that some moderate Republicans in the Senate are poised to break openly with the White House on the war, just as President Bush is seeking a new strategy to deal with the bloody stalemate in Iraq.
Only three or four senators were in the chamber when Mr. Smith spoke, but his speech has been replayed repeatedly on cable news and on the Internet and has had reverberations throughout the Republican Party.
For some, the speech helped crystallize the post-election anger many Republican lawmakers have for the Bush administration and its conduct of the war, which they believe cost them control of Congress. In the aftermath of his speech, Mr. Smith said he heard from several other Republican senators who he said agreed with his views.
“I sensed a cold shoulder or two,” he said. “But many of my colleagues said, ‘Boy, you spoke for me.’ ”
Senator Olympia J. Snowe, Republican of Maine, said, “I think Gordon sort of struck a chord, and his speech represented a manifestation of frustrations that exists among many of us, not just moderate Republicans but all Americans.”
“I think for some, that speech was a tipping point,” Ms. Snowe added. “It was a reality check. We have to admit that something has gone terribly wrong.”
But other Republican lawmakers argued that Mr. Smith’s speech was not representative of most Senate Republicans’ views.
“I don’t believe it’s true that a lot of Republican senators are ready to break with the White House on Iraq,” said Senator Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire. “I don’t think the views he expressed represent a significant number of senators in the Republican caucus.”
Thanks for putting out a list of where those votes might come from. I still don’t agree with you that enough Republican Senators are going to wake up and realize what they have been doing to destroy our country and impeach Bush and Dick for us, but it does give good food for thought.
I also think that if articles of impeachment are drawn up it will for something new, not something that the Republicans in the Senate knew about and approved of. As of this moment, the most likely charge is contempt of Congress for his failure to respond to Congressional supeana.
I should do this as a stand-alone diary, but here is what I envision.
You have the heads of the Armed Services committee, Carl Levin and John McCain, as well as Foreign Relations with Biden and (i think it will be) Lugar. They are sitting around trying to forge some kind of sanity with people like John Warner and Chuck Hagel and Chris Dodd. These are people that are thinking about becoming President, that take our foreign relations and the state of our armed services very seriously. And they can kind of all agree that there just isn’t anyway forward with Bush and Cheney. They feel it, they are being told that by the Joint Chiefs, the Pentagon, the intelligence services, our allies, and it is just unavoidable.
That’s when they figure out how to put one of their number in the Presidency. Maybe they can conncince Lugar or Warner to do it, since they aren’t running for the Presidency.
That’s the genesis. It is essentially a coup.
But it is a coup that is in the best interests of the nation and that can be carried forward in a constitutional way.
They get together with Reid and discuss their concerns. Reid talks to Pelosi and says that she should go ahead and set Conyers free.
They also use their allies in the Pentagon and CIA to make sure they have the goods to put Bush and Cheney out of office.
It’s all very diabolical, but it is the only responsible thing for them to do.
Wasn’t Nixon really just a damn coup too?
The big difference between what Boo is describing and what happened to Nixon is that there was a vice president who was able to take over back then. Today we’re talking about sweeping both the president and the vice president out of office, to be replaced by an interim government. I wonder if Boo’s plan would even be constitutional. How would they get away with passing over the speaker of the House I wonder?
before Nixon left? Maybe they’ll figure out how to get rid of Cheney first?
If Cheney goes, does Bush get to pick his replacement? If so, then that wouldn’t work, though you got me excited for a second. 🙂
I don’t think getting rid of Cheney first is an option. Bush is around-the-bend crazy, but he would know that for him to accept Cheney’s resignation and then for him to appoint a replacement meant he was next to be removed, and his failure to agree would delay the process.
Bush’s craziness takes the form of never admitting he was wrong or that he has failed. Replacing Cheney would be such an admission. To avoid failure, Bush attempts “Hail Mary” plays to go around those who are in his way. (The “Surge” idea is such a “Hail Mary” play. He refuses to withdraw, and to remain at the same status is no longer possible – for American politics. The decision has to do with Bush’s mental state and American politics. Nothing in Iraq matters to him unless it is in his way.) I seriously doubt he could be trusted to choose an “acceptable” VP.
But if both Bush and Cheney are simultaneously removed, Nancy Pelosi become President. (Next after Speaker is the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, who Wikipedia informs me is expected to be Robert Byrd.) Nancy could then appoint a Republican VP and keep Bob Gates and Condi Rice. I’d expect a Democratic or a civil servant NSC chief, though, to coordinate between them.
Losing Pelosi in the House would be a problem for the Democrats. I don’t think Steny Hoyer is in her league. If she turned the job down, it would go to Robert Byrd. I assume she could turn the job down. I think the Republicans would trust Bob Byrd, and it would be a great way for him to go out and finish his career.
I am assuming that any solution that requires agreement from Bush or Cheney will be a non-starter. Bush can’t be trusted, and I’m not sure about Cheney.
Then once Cheney is impeached, then Bush will have to appoint someone that he congress will ratify before he is also impeached. The alternative would be for Pelosi to become president Bush will not let that happen nor will the Republicans in the Senate.
It is interesting to consider who the Senate Republicans would put forth as a President pro-tem though. When you start thinking about Warner or Graham as potential 2 year presidents, then impeachment starts to seem possible.
Bush is around-the-bend crazy, but he would know that for him to accept Cheney’s resignation and then for him to appoint a replacement meant he was next to be removed, and his failure to agree would delay the process.
Sometimes people write to be funny, but what I write here is something I solidly and firmly believe!
The right wing of the Democrats, who are all running for president, will not allow discussion of impeachment. PERIOD!
They do not want the news cycle being all about Bush and failure when they want to propagandize a positive election message.
There will be no impeachment because the right wing leadership of the Democratic Party will not allow it.
Where Bush went wrong
I don’t think it’s so much that you have to get senators like Stevens and Hatch on board as it is you have to convince the people they listen to, to whisper in the Senators’ ears that no matter how bad they think the anti-GOP bloodbath in ’08 is going to be now, if Bush and Cheney stay in office it will be much, much worse. Maybe even paint pictures of a veto-proof Congress doing things like enacting universal single-payer health care, cutting defense appropriations by 20%, excise taxes on income and profits above a certain level, reinstating tariffs on foreign imports, legislating Southern Pacific out of existence (thereby removing the personhood of corporations) and the like. The worse for corporate America, the better for driving home the message. (It’s irrelevant whether they actually would do some of these things — it should be enough that corporate America thinks a veto-proof Democratic Congress could do them.)
This should be especially effective with Republican Senators who are up for re-election in ’08.
To misquote Patton, grab them by their wallets and their hearts and minds will follow.
I have written something like this at other times and other places but I think when it comes time for re-election or thinking about the election after many months of investigations the Republicans will be begging for impeachment in an attempt to cleanse their party and stop the investigations before every Republican is found to be corrupt. Before that happens I envision the defection of many Republicans to the Democratic or Independent parties.
If instead of impeaching Nixon the rest of the administration was investigated the Cabal supporting Bush would consist of people that were not involved in corruption from previous administrations. I don’t know if having new corrupt bureaucrats supporting this administration would be an improvement or not but it would be different.
I envisioned McCain’s phone call to Pelosi, “What’s this shit that you decided to not investigate? Are you insane? We won’t stand for it I tell you!”
of the moderates. He is now too busy selling his soul to each and every wing nut he can find so he can follow in Bush’s footsteps. I think McCain and Lieberman will occupy the same corner of hell eventually and both of them will just have to deal with the other!
I think it’s more simple than that though. Only 12% of Americans are even close to getting on board with this escalation in Iraq but W still looks like he doesn’t give a good god damned……he is destroying his party in a way no other Republican has ever come close to between Iraq and the spending policies of his Administration and puppet congress. I can’t believe how angry some of the Republicans around me down here are about the out of control spending. Even if they went for this Iraq bunk the spending sprees have them livid! Nobody is going to want to be associated with Bush and Cheney when Congress reconvenes in January. You picked the first Republicans that will take the dive I have no doubt, but when Murtha, Conyers, and a few others start getting a little more airtime and then there will be the investigations. I hate to say it but the land I live in loves itself nothing better than a good scandalous investigation, they talk it to death like it’s American Idol. You know that Bush is going down. The public basically despises him and they have only begun to hear the truth.
I think W is beginning to look a bit, um, defeated lately…how much longer do you think his “I’m still Decidering” mantra is going to work for him? He’s in deep shit, he spit on Daddy’s ISG cleanup team, and now he’s faced with having to dig his own way out of the steaming pile he created or drown in it. And his only answer is to pretend he’s making an educated decision based on reality.
He deserves everything that his own bad karma is bringing to him. And I hope impeachment and a trial are part of it.
Personally, I think someone should shove a couple of firecrackers up his behind parts and laugh an evil demented laugh when the fuse meets the powder.
On bad days I think scary things like white phosphorous. What comes around goes around doesn’t it? I am a Buddhist so I’m supposed to understand that concept but not supposed to make special White House suppositories in my spare time darn it.
White phosphorus? We’d need a Youtube of that one. 🙂
You might not want to see that, even if it is W. If there is enough oxygen it would be like watching his flesh melt from the inside out. I save the mental image only for my worst days.
Although, after reading “Bush on the Couch” I rather strongly suspect that being thoroughly discredited before the end of his term would be something Bush is not sufficiently emotionally adaptable to deal with. He’d have to either admit he was wrong, or nuke someone or commit suicide. I don’t think he can live after facing how very wrong he has been. I guess a fourth choice is for him to go totally around the bend into a completely delusional state. The last would bring the XXVth amendment into play, of course.
The military in August of 1974 were concerned that Nixon would make one of those choices, so they passed orders down that no commander was to act on orders from President Nixon unless they were countersigned by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The same orders would have to be in place towards the end of any impeachment process on Bush or Cheney.
Impeaching both at once would be interesting. There would be no Vice President to take office as President, so Nancy Pelosi would become President. Our first woman President. You think that might be why she is planning to be so nice to the Republicans after they were so nasty to the Democrats? So the Republican Senators would trust her and agree to impeachment?
Just a thought.
An impeachment inquiry must be based on three elements….
2) That the impeachment inquiry is not an effort to take the White House out of Republican hands, but only to take it out of Bush and Cheney’s hands.
I don’t see that kind of flexibility. Under the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, next in line to succeed the President and Vice President is the Speaker of the House — Pelosi. That factor is bound to affect senators’ decisions.
As I understand it, the speaker of the house does not actually have to be a member of the house, so the house can elect a speaker at any time and have them succeed to the Presidency.
It would be unusual, though. In effect, it would be election by Congress (granted, a step above our experience of election by the Supreme Court).
For anyone wanting to read more, there are FAQ answers by the Office of the Clerk of the House.
“Although the Constitution does not require the Speaker to be a member of the House, all Speakers have been members.”
Such a deal — for a Republican to succeed an impeached Bush & Cheney — would require the Democrats to vote for a Republican to be Speaker, member of the House or not. Given the Speaker’s powers, it’s hard to imagine. Would Pelosi not have the votes to keep herself as Speaker, should someone else be proposed?
This is a very tough call. The Republicans (all of them, no exceptions) have been complicit in the crime against America that is the Bush administration. If they are going to get on board, they have to be assured that there will be no payback for that complicity. They are in the same place as collaborators in France after 1944. Mitterand is a good example. He protected officials who sent French citizens to Auschwitz to the day he died. The United States made a decision to bring people like him and much further to the right back into the fold, mainly to forestall the Communists. The problem here is that the ‘Communists’ in our situation are the Democratic Party. The Democrats cannot demonize their left wing — i.e. us — and expect to win elections.
As between an impeachment combined with selling out the Left and no impeachment with eternal disgrace for the parties concerned, I hold for eternal disgrace.
Don’t forget Trent Lott: he’s been waiting patiently for revenge ever since they threw him under the bus and gave the majority leader position to Frist. Lott bears grudges that would make my 94 year old grandma tremble in her boots. And let me just say that my grandmother didn’t speak to my mom for nearly 30 fuckin’ years.
These senators that boo have identified don’t want to impeach, but if things get really bad (they attack Iran, etc.) they may have no choice.