We may have gotten to the point where the president is so unpopular that the people automatically adopt positions opposed to whatever he says. Take stem-cell research:
President Bush’s pending veto of stem cell research legislation comes at a time when public support for such research is at an all-time high.
Most Americans long have backed stem cell research — 58 percent or more in ABC News/Washington Post polls since 2001. That’s peaked, at 68 percent support, in the latest ABC/Post poll to measure views on the issue, in April.
Pretty soon, this crap won’t even play with Bush’s base.
While 80 percent of Democrats and 70 percent of independents support stem cell research overall, that falls to 49 percent of Republicans. Similarly, more than three-quarters of liberals and moderates alike support stem cell research, compared with 47 percent of conservatives.
I think we need one more vote in the Senate to override Bush’s veto.
Vote all you want but ya ain’t getting this bill passed. Forget about it. We ain’t got the balls to do what is necessary so Lets just watch the paralized, diseased, crippled invalids slowly wither and die. That is what the bastard wants. It is cheaper and he and his lying partners can make more money. Simple. The “progressives” and the Dems are so full of shit that the smell can be inhaled as far as the borders of this putrifying country.
“No Balls at ALL, No balls at All.” What a stinking tragedy.
Well, the great experiment failed. Its back to the robber baron time. Or maybe it would be better to call it the plantation time. Maybe that would be a little more fitting. Now lets all practice– Ya sir Mistah….
ok.
“Bush Vetoes Stem Cell Research…Again”
No shit?
“I think we need one more vote in the Senate to override Bush’s veto”
Would that be a Webb vote? A Casey vote? You know, the guys that the democrats needed to elect to take back the majority? The majority needed to….damn….
Push it BooMan. We’re on a roll now. The fast track to a kinder and gentler theology in government.
….and then there’s Iran
Casey, not Webb.
Thanks for educating me. But it’a pick your poison kinda Congress, ain’t it? Webb would be one of the Iran’s got nukes crowd. He’s not as lonely, unfortunately, as Casey and the theologians are. We all have to die sooner or later. It’s just a matter of how. A slow death, like my quadreplegic brother who awaits the fruits of stem cell research, or we all go in a blaze of glory with Holy Joe and the military guys.
Well, you know that I was opposed to Casey’s candidacy in the primaries and you also know that we won the Senate by one seat. And, honestly, I would rather have Casey than Harold Ford.
As for Webb, he is definitely not interested in rolling back the American empire. On the other hand, I kind of like having quirky moody politicians around to make everyone a little nervous. He might want to leave his gun at home from now on though.
Quirky, moody politicians who make people nervous like say, Nixon? Who was the American negotiator who told the Vietnamese delegation that his boss was basically a nut and he wasn’t sure what he’s do during the peace talks?
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Thing is though, back then at least the Congrees was aware of their responsibilities to their employers and to the Constitution, and as tough as it was, they upheld their oaths.
Right now we’re on the brink of some horrific shit and all of our hopes, well some of us, not me, are in the hands of a few slimey pretenders to the true democratic creed and those who insist that more is better. As shrill as BillPa’s and as apocalyptic as Lathorseman’s comments sound, they are a lot closer to reality than some mythical democratic majority that we all need to work towards to save our hides is.
and it’s a sincere one …
If one believes that “The more things change, the more they stay the same,” what does one do?
Fight for change?
Super, you have always seemed to be someone fighting for change. Good!
But if you believe the statement quoted, you are committed to believing that the more successful you are in your own endeavors, the less likely it is that your ends will be achieved.
Which, if I’m reading correctly, is close to what you’re claiming of BooMan.
Carry on.
I’ve shifted my focus no3reed. I’m fighting for different things now. Well actually, I’m fighting for the same things, the survival of my family, as I was before. Just not putting my hopes on people and institutions that don’t have my family’s interests at heart. I don’t see anything anymore that gives me hope that this course we’re on will be arrested by the democrats, no matter how many we (I) waste votes on. I’m trying best that I can to plan a little ahead for the worst. Doesn’t mean I’m going all survivalist or Koresh.
As far as BooMan goes…
Here’s what I think. He has his heart in the right place, okay? But he’s wrong as far as I’m concerned, and at some point you have to ask yourself, what are our responsibilities when we continue to promote an institution that has shown no ability, let alone will, to intervene on our behalf? I know I’m not the only one who realizes that we’re fairly well screwed right now and I don’t consider myself especially psychotic either.
I’m doing the only thing that I can right now, and that’s sticking close to home and changing, or at least protecting what I can.
It’s a little early in his career to be comparing Jim Webb to Richard Nixon. Frankly, I see very little that they share in common beyond a certain surliness.
I agree that things are getting quite iffy, especially in the Middle East. But I don’t agree that this all would have happened if we hadn’t had our country taken over by BushCo. Sure, some things like global warming would be just as much of a concern. But I can’t get with the idea that there is no difference between Bush and Clinton or Bush and Gore or Bush and pretty much any Democrat.
The more discredited Bush is, the more losses the GOP takes, the less likely that we will see some kind of revival of Bushism down the road. Hopefully he will be less of a model than McGovern. And McGovern would have been an excellent model.
He’s a newbie in the Senate but he’s been around a long time. He’s a product of the Cold War generation and that’s his connection to Nixon’s views on American preeminence. He’s not even a democrat.
Our country was just as much taken over by BushCo. as it was surrendered to him and his bosses. Sure, he stole some votes here and there, but it never should’ve been close. Not in the America that some of us envisioned to still exist. He’s a symptom, not an aberration. Ried said something in the last couple of weeks that revealed him once and for all for what he represents. He basically said that the democrats had set the bar too high when they told American voters that they could stop the war. How can I trust a man like that? I wanna know. He’s full of shit and he can’t even sell it anymore. He may as well as spit on my wife and kids as far as i’m concerned. And there sure ain’t no McGovern around the corner anytime soon, even if such a principled person could get elected in the land of the terminally underwhelmed.
Goodnight
I’m sorry you are so pessimistic. We’re up against institutionalized consensus and entrenched power. No one said this would be easy.