There is a remarkable disconnect at the moment at BT with what is happening in Washington. Booman has consistently advocated impeachment, but there is no mention on the front page that yesterday, John Conyers had activists demanding that he initiate impeachment proceedings—who were engaged in a sit-in in his office—arrested.
Rep. John Conyers, venerable member of Congress, finally chair of the House Judiciary Committee,is a man who worked with Rosa Parks in Alabama and who hired her on his staff after he won election to Congress in Detroit. Years in Washington DC change a man. Yesterday Conyers had 48 impeachment activists, including Gold Star Families for Peace founder Cindy Sheehan, Iraq Veteran Against the War activist Lennox Yearwood and Intelligence Veterans for Sanity founder Ray McGovern, arrested for conducting a sit-in in his office in the Rayburn House Office Building. The three, together with several hundred other impeachment activists who packed the fourth floor hallway outside Rep. Conyers’ office, had come to press Conyers to take action on impeachment…
After nearly an hour of talking with Conyers, a clearly angry Sheehan emerged together with Yearwood and McGovern, and announced to the waiting throng in the hall that Conyers had told them “impeachment isn’t going to happen because we don’t have the votes.” Sheehan said Conyers had insisted that the best thing was for Democrats to focus on “winning big in 2008.” To volleys of boos and hisses, the three went back inside Conyers’ office suite, where they were joined by some thirty other supporters, and all were subsequently arrested, at Conyers’ request, by Capitol police, who cuffed them and walked them off for booking. Several of those who sat in refused to walk and were carried or dragged out of the Rayburn Office Building, as the activists in the hall chanted “Shame on Conyers! Shame onConyers!” and “Arrest Bush, Not the People!” It was a disgraceful scene wholly unworthy of a dean of the Congressional Black Caucus. (David Lindorff)
About 47 of us spent 8 or 9 hours yesterday in jail for protesting a man who, at least when he woke up yesterday morning, only thought of himself as on the side of those who protest power.
While hundreds of us lined the hallways outside Chairman John Conyers’ office, one of his staffers approached the door to his office but was unable to enter. The place was wall-to-wall media inside, with Cindy Sheehan, Ray McGovern, and Rev. Lennox Yearwood giving a press conference in Conyers’ office in his absence. They’d gone in to speak with Conyers, but it would take him quite a while to show up.
The staffer was annoyed and complained to his colleague “It’s bad enough they shut the office down with phone calls.” Another staffer, this one rather pleased about it (the police, too, were on our side and three of them quietly accepted Impeach Bush and Cheney shirts), told me they were getting a pro-impeachment phone call every 30 seconds. They were also flooded with Emails and with thousands of faxes yesterday. But the message was not getting through to the Congressman.
He and several staffers met with Sheehan, McGovern, and Yearwood. It was a heated discussion. Conyers began by proposing to discuss impeachment sometime in August at a town hall meeting. We’ve been doing those for years. We held a huge one in Detroit in May that Conyers agreed to speak at. He showed up and left before it started. Yearwood, Sheehan, and McGovern told Conyers his time was up.
What was Conyers’ objection to moving forward on impeachment now? Well, he said, if he were to do that Fox News would go after him and accuse him of being partisan. I kid you not. The Democratic Chairman of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee is basing his decisions on whether a Republican cable TV station would approve. As Cindy Sheehan told me outside the jail last night: “If I based my decisions on Fox, I would never do anything.”
As long as Conyers is working for Fox, maybe our next sit-in needs to be in their studios.
But Conyers expressed another concern as well. He’s concerned about his legacy. I wish there were a kind way to tell him that he is about to flush it down the toilet. Conyers’ judiciary committee staffers, who were in the meeting yesterday, including Ted Kalo, Perry Appelbaum, and Jonathan Godfrey, produced a year and a half ago one of the best reports summarizing and documenting the crimes of Bush and Cheney. Conyers is aware that Bush and Cheney are killing people every day that he refrains from fulfilling his oath of office. He knows that nearly a million Iraqis and 4,000 U.S. troops lie dead already. He knows that this president and vice president kidnap, torture, and murder human beings. But when pressed to act with the urgency appropriate to saving lives, Conyers replied that our nation has always killed people and that he wasn’t “going to play politics.”
It looks like the rupture between the peace movement and, more generally, the movement to restore democracy to America and the Democratic Party is coming to a head. Conyers, previously associated with the civil rights movement, has definitively taken the side of the unitary executive against the American people.
[UPDATE:] If you don’t think there is a disconnect, just imagine how the Right would react if a Republican congressman ended a meeting with representatives of an organization advocating the “rights of unborn children” by having them arrested.
Had anyone decided to write about this yesterday, like, for instance, yourself, I’m sure it would have been read, rec’d, and commented on…..probably would have made it to the front page, had it been written well enough.
But, now that you bring it up, thank you. BooMan has been consistent in his backing of impeachment, and in the process has given the whys, wherefores, and why nots, along with his opinion. I see no disconnect.
Conyer’s was perfectly willing to set up a sit-down with Cindy et al, but they refused. They insisted NOW. It seems like a direct civil disobedience action was planned, and executed. Which, in my opinion, is a good thing. The more, the merrier. Your interpretation of Mr. Conyer’s response, however, seems limited, at best.
Why would Mr. Conyers agree to anything, right there, and then? Had he agreed, the “caving in to the radical” meme would have been in play. Not good poker, I would think.
The Dems are not the enemy, I don’t care what anybody says. Government moves slower than its Citizens, always has, always will.
There’s going to be a boatload of stuff happening over the next 18 months, ending with, a Government controlled by the Democrats. I want impeachment to be included, but if it doesn’t, History alone will impeach the lot of them. Congressional investigations, and indictments will provide the facts for all to see. Nixon wasn’t impeached, look at how he is perceived. I am sure Bush will go down as WORSE than Nixon. I was there then, and now is definitely worse.
The Sleeping Giant of America has woken up, stay tuned, the Repubs are in for a very very bumpy ride.
Save the torches and pitchforks for the Republicans…It may even come down to that, but it won’t be because of the bloggists…it’ll be because The American Citizen will have simply said…”No More”
I didn’t know about this yesterday.
What I am outraged by is not that Conyers didn’t immediately agree to what Sheehan and the others he met with want. It is that he had the protesters arrested.
The civil rights movement made extensive use of sit-ins. Now Conyers uses violence—police force—to squash a sit-in by people merely demanding that he carry out his Constitutional duty.
Why couldn’t Conyers have allowed a few demonstrators to stay, without making any promises? His arresting them is a clear indication that impeachment will never happen, if he has any say in the matter, no matter what the people want. That when it comes to choosing between the people and democracy on the one hand and the powers that be on the other, he sides firmly with the latter.
Thus, I can’t understand your sanguine attitude toward the Democrats at all.
He DID take a few aside, and they didn’t like his offer to set up a meeting. Cindy and others then decided to disrupt, as civil disobedience. That’s fine. There ARE consequences to civil disobedience, whether they are planned for, or not. Ask me, I’ve been there. Better yet, don’t ask….lol.
I am so very,very,very far from sanguine, don’t let rational words fool you!
PS:..I’m not sure it was Him that had them arrested, but if they were disrupting the work of the office, it may have been….dunno. Maybe the Capitol Police decided the matter….
According to David Lindorff, the protesters were arrested “at Conyers’ request”. I don’t see how they could have arrested in his office without his approval.
These are not smelly hippies that he had arrested! They are Iraq war veterans and ex-CIA analysts, among others. Having them arrested shows that he is not willing to carry on a dialog with his base.
Thank you for that bit of info…I was not aware…nevertheless, you are reading into Mr. Conyer’s motivations, and extrapolating way out there (unless proven otherwise of course).
Since I was a hippie type back then, and remain so today, I kinda resent the “dirty” adjective! Typical of so many today, who forget how far we have come because of those 60’s radicals, and culture warriors. And I ain’t saying we’re done yet, either….
I did not in the least mean to disparage hippies! I guess I should have put the phrase in scare quotes, but I thought it would have been clear that I was being sarcastic. What I wanted to say is that the protesters weren’t students (although there were probably some there), but among others, people who have worked in serious jobs inside the Beltway.
By having them arrested, you are telling them that as far as you are concerned, they do not have a seat at the table when it comes to deciding how this country is going to be run.
I know…i was being funny too….I guess that’s why we don’t have comedy shows on HBO….
But I will reiterate…Civil Disobedience has its consequences.
All of the people involved knew damn well what was going to happen. I even read one diary yesterday, that praised Conyer’s for doing his part in this action, knowing full well it would help more than hurt.
“Civil disobedience” is the wrong frame. Why did these people commit civil disobedience? To try to get Conyers to do his job. The main thing they were demanding is that he stop holding up Kucinich’s articles of impeachment against Cheney: and that is something that a majority of Americans wants, as recent polls show that most Americans want Cheney impeached. Furthermore, the Consitution requires Congress to impeach the president if he commits grave abuses of power: it does not leave this to the political discretion of congressmen. Thus, the frame should be that Conyers has used police power to keep him from having to listen to people telling him what the American public wans him to do. This was a brazen act of contempt for American democracy.
By blocking impeachment, and now treating the vanguard of the Democratic Party in this demeaning, insulting way, with a display of brute power, Conyers has shown that he respects the will of the American people no more than Bush does.
If you want to deceive yourself, get Kossified.
Let’s see…”smelly hippies”, “kossified” …Anybody trying to discuss something that doesn’t quite agree with you, deserves some emotional tag…Normally, I allow the Diarist the last word, after all, it’s his Diary…but this just doesn’t cut it.
Vent your anger against the Republicans, not your own side. It’s the Republicans who are obstructing Justice.
It’s the Republicans who aren’t allowing votes to happen. It’s the Republicans who are allowing the Divine Presidency. It’s the Republicans who are fighting a class war against us. It’s the Republicans who support Party over America. It’s the Republicans who have mismanaged everything they touch….etc, etc, etc.
Conyer’s credentials give him the benefit of the doubt, still. And I also support Cindy’s action of Civil Disobedience. Doing ANYTHING right now, is okay by me. But my whole being tells me to rail against the true enemies of Democracy, not our friends, as human, and as flawed, as they may be.
Can’t you understand: by taking impeachment off the tables, establishment Dems are Bush’s and Cheney’s friends, not ours. Dems have an absolute majority in Congress, which is all that is required to impeach. Thus, it is the Democrats who are allowing the Divine Presidency, not just the Republicans. If Bush got impeached, his presidency wouldn’t be so divine anymore, even if the Senate didn’t convict him.
Also, Congress still controls the budget, so by caving in to Bush in May, your friends have made possible the continued slaughter of Americans and Iraqis. Some friends.
And to repeat, when I used “smelly hippies”, I was being sarcastic. That is to say, it’s not I who think hippies are smelly, but the establishment—your “friends”.
If Conyers were really our friend, he wouldn’t have had the protesters arrested: that’s not something one does to one’s friends. If a person in power is sympathetic to the cause of people committing civil disobedience, nothing says that he has to use force against them. Can’t you see that?
You really are brainwashed.
I hope you’re right, but the Donks are cowards.
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From what I know at least Cindy Sheehan started the whole thing and most of the “establishment” would have her name erased from the history books.
Gee, in my “golden” years I might have the chance to re-live those anti-establishment hippie days of the past. Dude, it’s a wheelchair bong, cool.
In past months I can recall far more fervor and passion of debate over a stupid 911 ABC “documentary”.
Is even the “power” of the internet fading away?
It’s not just Cindy Sheehan. Lennox Yearwood, who represented Iraq Veterans Against the War and Ray McGovern, who founded an anti-war group consisting of former CIA analysts—who also attended the meeting with Conyers—were also arrested, as was David Swanson, who runs Democrats.com and also created the After Downing Street Web site.
So there is a movement. But the media wants to present it as if it’s just Cindy Sheehan.
Yes, passion certainly seems to have faded on our side. It’s as if since our party is now in control of Congress, we must try to make a good impression on Fox News.
I don’t think it’s just Faux but all media. I formed this opinion over ten years ago during an expat assignment.
I honestly think it’s time to stop obeying the laws, they obviously don’t.
…I’ve been trying to keep up and I support Sheehan and McGovern and am desperate for some action against the criminals who have hijacked our government, but I also think there is an argument that Sheehan and Co. have put Conyers in an untenable position.
We just don’t know all the factors that he is dealing with, but I think based on his record we can trust him.
Sheehan and Co. decided to put Conyers head in the noose, and I understand their choice, but their tactic was also an assault upon one of our greatest advocates and supporters.
I can easily see being in Conyers position the choice that he had to make which was to deal with the choice that they gave him.
Either introduce articles of impeachment NOW or we will stay here until we are arrested. He is totally on our side and we know that but he can’t introduce articles of impeachment right NOW for reasons that we have to respect, and so he has to opt for the other alternative, which is to have them arrested.
I just don’t think putting our allies such as Conyers on the spot is quite the right strategy, though I can understand why it was chosen as a desperation measure.
Let’s not eat our own, here.
I haven’t trusted Conyers ever since he introduced a bill, together with James Sensebrenner, to cripple computers and other digital devices so that they could not output video in analog form. Anyone who acts to turn your own computer against you, serving as a lackey of Hollywood studios, is not “one of our own”, in my book.
This latest move of Conyers’ is just par for the course. There is no excuse for having members of your base arrested simply for demanding that you do what a majority of Americans wants, or for selling out American citizens to the entertainment industry.
Well, as I say I am not the expert, and I won’t pretend that I wasn’t dismayed about the arrests. Definitely a low point all the way around. I’m grateful to Sheehan, McGovern, and friends for their courage.
Does the worm turn? John Conyers has been one of our greatest allies, and one of the only voices in the wilderness over that past six years.
The John Conyers of 2007 is far removed from the John Conyers of late 2004, early 2005 that took it upon himself to travel to Ohio with a delegation of concerned representatives to invstigate and take testimony about the election fraud against John Kerry. He is far removed from the man who initiated and held hearings in the capitol basement with Cindy Sheehan, Joseph Wilson, and other families of killed soldiers to investigate the Downing Street Minutes. He is far removed from the man who attended the Sept. 05 anti-war march in DC. And he is a lifetime removed from the John Conyers who was instrumental in the threats of impeachment that forced Richard Nixon to resign. He’s always been one of the good guys. But as far as I’m comcerned, if he’s not part of the solution, he’s part of the problem. And Cindy Sheehan has been forced to confront the real obstacles to the restoration of the Constitution. This isn’t about waiting to hold another town meeting hall or what Fox News has to say about any of this. It is a catostrophic failure and collapse of political courage and sense of duty by those who were delivered into power by us to do their jobs. To realize that we made a decision and tasked them with carrying it out. And to see Conyers, of all people, towing the party line, is truly disheartening.
Ray McGovern has a piece about Conyers in Counterpunch today. He notes that Conyers started out their meeting on Monday by proposing that they hold a town hall meeting, having completely forgotten that McGovern participated in such a meeting in Detroit just last May, to which Conyers showed up but then left before it actually started. McGovern suggests that Conyers is simply too old to be an effective congressman any more.
All true, SS (and I read McGovern’s article, thanks for the link Alexander) but Conyers still has a line of credit with me.
Politics is such a fickle game. Today’s revered hero becomes tomorrow’s reviled villain overnight.
I’m embarrassed by the arrests and wish they hadn’t happened, but I still think we have to keep everything in perspective. For example, there are many congress critters who would never even have let demonstrators in the door, let alone meet with them for over an hour. I would say most.
There have been many times in my life when I haven’t gotten the right answer, but if the question is important enough, I just keep asking and you would be amazed how often this strategy works, as long as I remain civil and play by the rules.
I’m embarrassed by the arrests and frustrated by Conyers attitude about impeachment, but I don’ think this is the end of the story.
If I were Conyers and people who used to be so respectful and appreciative turned hostile overnight because I wouldn’t (or couldn’t) capitulate to their demands ON THE SPOT, I would be sorry I had ever stuck my neck out for them to begin with.
Bitterness is not our friend.
Maybe Conyers is “too old” or getting senile as McGovern so uncharitably suggests, but maybe he knows things that we don’t know and maybe he is actually in the impeachment process but he can’t show his hand right now for reasons best known to himself. We don’t know everything about his situation, we don’t know everything and everyone he has to answer to. I hope he will come out with a statement and explain his actions.
Just having finished The Assault on Reason (sorry, I’m a bit behind on my reading) I have a better sense of what we’re really up against with this criminal administration, it’s very scary stuff.
So rather than turn our backs and start reviling Conyers, I say honor him for what he has done for us in the past and just keep on asking the question until we get the right answer.
Keep the faith!
It sounds to me by the way McGovern described the meeting that Conyers was a little condescending in his offer of a town hall meeting when he’d already left them hanging at a previous meeting that he didn’t show up at. That, or he truly is becoming too old and feeble for the responsibilities of his job and completely forgot his broken promises. I’ve had the opportunity to see McGovern up close twice and Sheehan three times now, including briefly speaking with her. These aren’t shrill and pushy people who go around disrespecting senior congressmen and screaming their demands. They are calm, honest, and deliberate. Besides, Conyers had to know they were coming. It’s been known for weeks now.
Bottom line,
they weren’t there in a selfish, tantrum throwing demand that an airport or prison not be built in their back yard. They are there to demand that he and congress meet and defeat the most ominous and dangerous challenge to our national integrity and survival that’s ever come along imn our country’s history. I read that 800 more soldiers and marines, not to mention the countless Iraqi’s, have been killed since the democrats took power and pledged to end the war. What’s that now, 7-8 months? To listen to a former standard bearer, who’s made promises to you to stop this out of control president, turn around and tell you that the only way to end this nightmare is to elect more do nothing democrats in 08, which is what, 16-18 months away, and untold thousands more deaths of soldiers and Iraqi’s….well.
Then to give you the ultimate slap in the face and ask your staff to pull up your appointment schedule and see if we can fit this mother of a dead soldier into his busy lineup, someone who’s already broken an engagement….I suggest that it’s Conyers who is asking for more than he’s entitled to ask for. That it’s him who is breaking the rules. How long should we all wait patiently for them to reveal their secret impeachment plan and , god forbid, moisten their powder? How many terrified and homesick soldiers should calmly read about and listen to that kind of mealy mouthed bullshit while they wait for the next sniper, IED, or mortar round to take off their head? Maybe Conyers should gp to Iraq and pull out his schedule book and ask a soldier if he can put off his homecoming a few more weeks or months. Because that’s what he’s doing, indirectly.
If anyone should be arrested by the capitol police it should be the entire membership of the Senate and the House. Both parties, because neither serves the will or the needs of the people.
Couldn’t agree with you more and — as you know — I fully share your anger and disgust with the whole desperate tragedy we’re in right now.
“They are there to demand that he and congress meet and defeat the most ominous and dangerous challenge to our national integrity and survival that’s ever come along in our country’s history.”
Exactly.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that we have to use what we’ve got, for better or worse. John Conyers may not be Martin Luther King, but he’s just about all we’ve got right now. My sense from reading Al Gore’s book — as horrendous as his vision is — this is just the tip of the iceberg. I’m sure he knows much more than he’s telling, and I’m sure it’s ugly. And Conyers knows these things too.
I totally respect and honor Sheehan and McGovern and am totally grateful for their leadership in these dark times. And I’m not going to defend John Conyers. But he’s between a rock and hard place and till I know everything that he knows, I’m not going to start abusing him. either. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Yes, the democrats have not done what we hoped since they got into the majority, and we can assume that they’re incompetent, negligent, failures and target them with our scorn. Or we can assume that it’s a work-in-progress and they know what they’re up against and they know what they’re doing. I still think they want what we want, so I write letters and send emails and faxes and do what ever else I can to help it along every day.
These are dangerous times.
“We must all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”