I find this highly amusing in a deeply black comedic sort of way considering Markos’ complete insensitivity to Kathy Sierra’s situation last year:
The more [Hillary]’s attacked on personal grounds, the more sympathy that real person will generate, the more votes she’ll win from people sending a message to the media and her critics that they’ve gone way over the line of common decency. You underestimate that sympathy at your own peril. If I found myself half-rooting for her given the crap that was being flung at her, is it any wonder that women turned out in droves to send a message that sexist double-standards were unacceptable? Sure, it took one look at Terry McAuliffe’s mug to bring me back down to earth, but most people don’t know or care who McAuliffe is. They see people beating the shit out of Clinton for the wrong reasons, they get angry, and they lash back the only way they can — by voting for her.
The vote for the two “change” candidates outstripped the vote for the two “experience” candidates. I’m with change. I have no interest in seeing behavior that, in essence, helps the status quo.
That’s our Kos: Defender of Women’s Rights from time immemorial, unless, that is, you happen to be someone who receives rape and death threats online. Then you should just STFU and take it like a man. By the way, Kos is only bashing people who criticize Senator Clinton because he doesn’t want her to win. He could give a flying fig about the media’s misogyny. I wonder why ….?
And yes, that’s a rhetorical question folks.
Well, you know Markos has always been a staunch supporter of those “Women’s studies” types…
ugh.
why bring that whole ugly episode up?
has Kos misbehaved lately, or is it just a need to criticize his percieved hypocrisy?
On that issue, I actually side with Kos. I think you were shrill. He made a lazy post after an absence from the blogosphere. It was dumb and insensitive. That’s it.
Yep, dumb and insensitive. And no apology was ever issued.
I have family who were raped and received threats of death if they ever told anyone about it, so maybe this is a little more personal to me. Maybe I am overracting. Maybe I’m obsessed with the perception that Kos is a misogynist himself (one that many others share).
Guilty as charged.
Had the man owned up to his stupidity and admitted he was wrong you never would have heard about this again from me. That he failed to do so after a very broad based appeal from around the blogosphere makes his comments today about all the people in the media bashing Hillary actually helping her both highly ironic, and deeply hypocritical.
So it’s not forgotten.
Some Democrats are not here just to win elections. Some Democrats actually care about what a Democratic majority will do once elected. And some Democrats consider the purview of the party to extend beyond the income and benefits status of middle-class white men.
Actually, it went beyond dumb and insensitive. It was, as with so many other Kos statements, a chillingly clear expression of a deeply ingrained misogyny. It might have been dumb and insensitive if it was an isolated incident instead of part of a long, long series of incidents.
And Steven is right. Kos message today boils down to, “Don’t antagonize the feminists or Hillary will win.”
While I am no fan of Hillary, I tend to agree with his sentiment that you have highlighted. I didn’t pay much attention to the other situation where he didn’t support a victim but what’s one got to do with the other? The other victim wasn’t savaged by the media non-stop for a whole day in front of millions of people. The two seem a bit different. By the way, I’m not a regular reader of the Orange Satan, either, so I have no allegiance to him.
I don’t disagree that misogynistic attacks against Senator Clinton are uncalled for. I just find it ironic that Markos’ is all in a snit over behavior that in essence resembles his own attitude toward women.
The other victim wasn’t savaged by the media non-stop for a whole day in front of millions of people.
No. Just death threats.
Not similar at all.
Kos, what a Mook he acts as if Hillary has already locked up the Democratic Nomination. I say sink her political ship while she still overboard in the water. If she wins the Democratic Nomination..well then we can start making donations for a sleep over in the Lincoln Bedroom.
P.S. I would like to know where the 1st Lady was when Bill signed the Immigration Reform into Law in 1996. All of todays horrendous immigration problems have their roots in the evil Immigration Reform signed into law by Bill…where was the caring Hillary then?
I don’t want Hillary to be President. I’ve never been shy about saying that. And most of my attitude toward her is based on her performance as my Senator from NY.
Her record in the Senate is fair game in my opinion. I think her husband’s record is also fair game, to the extent that she has presented herself, or continues to present herself, as the “restoration” candidate. If she backs away from this approach to campaigning than I am less inclined to hold her responsible for all the dumb things Bill Clinton did while in office.
What’s clearly not fair game are misogynistic and sexist attacks against her by the media, which I think all of us agree should be off limits.
Off limits for sure!
It is only on the political philosophy and the stances on the issues which it inspires that a candidate should be evaluated. This notion is enough to start an antiHilllary campaign with totally disregard whom else would get the nomination.
However, you must be aware of the subtle racial overtones of her crying or near crying in New Hampshire. Here this poor white lady being run out of a political race by a strong competent black man. I see her emotional thing as a staged event and had some the previously mentioned underpinnings.
that this is snark.
Didn’t Michelle Malkin or someone from that gang come out and accuse her of trying to manipulate things with the “calculated tears?” It may have been staged for all anyone knows. And the media fell for it and beat Clinton to a pulp for 24 hours. They really let out their pent-up hatred for Hillary, didn’t they? Even Nora Odonnell and Andrea Mitchell were swinging the axe at Hillary yesterday afternoon. Vicious. Perhaps that did it for her. I don’t know.
Full Disclosure: I do not support Hillary. Not. One. Bit. But I did feel pity for her yesterday.
I didn’t sense that the racial overtones theory is correct, but it would have been enough for her to play up to the male dominance slant, especially when Edwards piled on.
The bill didn’t go far enough. You’re claiming that denial of social services to illegals is “bad”? I don’t think so as evidenced by the massive problem we have today.
Forgetting for a moment that the comments came from Markos, which includes all the of excess baggage, both direct and peripheral, real and imagined, that rides on his every word in many areas of the blogosphere; I believe his broader point has validity.
As Greenwald points out today.
Your point on Markos’ double standard is understandable. But I didn’t get the impression he was “bashing people” simply because he doesn’t want her to win, though that is obvious to anyone who reads him. I took his point much like GG did.
The mainstream media and Clinton detractors should maybe be careful what they wish for and the methods they use to achieve their ends. They are liable to get the polar opposite of what they desire. The fact that the heads of the Village Idiots and pundit world are spinning today speaks volumes.
Well I agree with Glenn Greenwald. Hard not to, since he’s almost always right, lol.
While Kos will never admit it, I think he did learn something from the whole Kos-is-a-misogynist-jerk blogswarm. While it has been a long time since I read Kos, so far as I know he has never since dissed women’s issues. Not just Kos, but Armstrong, Stoller, and Bowers all seem to have learned something. No longer do you hear of women’s issues being dismissed as a fringe issue.
When he writes post after post about how all of the Democrats who are not for comprehensive immigration reform magically “hate brown people” and enables his roving troll gang to attack them.
Now he magically calls out the brazen sexism on the blogs….but only after realizing it’s so bad that it’s generating support for Clinton? Right.
Damn straight it probably pissed off a hell of a lot of women who then ignored policy and voted to Clinton over this. The sexism pisses me off and when I see a wave of it, I’ve even had sympathy for Condi Rice. Stick to policy and the issues here.