I would very much like to pray that as I spun around last night and attempted to volley the football on the goal, I did not severely sprain my ankle. I’d like to pray I won’t be out two to six weeks while my team, Chivos Viejos, fights on in the summer season. But I know that praying for such things will not make them so.
Resigned to a lethargic Saturday, I crutched into my den, elevated my leg, and started to finish a book I had heretofore greatly enjoyed: The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight by Thom Hartmann.
The book was originally published in 1998 and updated in 1999 and again in 2004. It is broken down into three parts. Part one focuses on a broad survey of the current state of our ecology. It paints a depressing picture of where we, as a species, find ourselves in relation to our biosphere. The book’s ability to clearly paint a picture often overlooked by humans locked into their cultural and commercial viewpoints reminded me of a non-fiction version of Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. It is perspective shifting and powerful. Scary.
Part two continues along the lines of Quinn’s fictional work, as it lays out the anthropological and cultural history. It traces our 200,000 year journey of evolution on the African savanna, through the development of a malignant agricultural society, leading to a technological world run on coal and oil and growth leading to overpopulation. The culture that is killing us and thousands of other species, as if we were an out of control bacterial colony in a petri.
It is in part three of the book, as Hartmann attempts to address how humankind might address these crises, where I have become disenchanted with his work.
Modern works of physics are given surface analysis and shot through with whisps of spirituality. Consciousness, he seemed to be saying, can shift and we can save ourselves.
I was unsettled. After reading Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion last year, I have been embracing my inner atheist. In fact, I would have to say I am becoming an extroverted atheist. And upon seeing magical thinking, even from left-leaning environmentalists, my skepticism started to rear up.
I read on.
Until coming to this passage:
No matter how overwhelming the problems of the world may seem, you do have an effect, even if nobody ever knows what you’ve done. For example, prayer has been demonstrated in double-blind, scientifically controlled experiments run at Harvard University to speed healing, even when the people praying and the people healing don’t know each other, have never met, and are located in different parts of the world.
The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, Hartmann, 2004 ed., page 244.
This struck me as factually inconsistent with my previous learning. I had been giving Hartmann the benefit of the doubt until page 244. I did not bother to even look for footnotes or attribution. But this statement, conflicting with my own education on the issue, jumped out. I looked for a source and found that there was no note or reference to the studies Hartmann cites, beyond his own prose, which appeals to the impressive sounding “scientifically controlled experiments run a Harvard University.” I mean, who could question that.
Old injured football players on a boring Saturday, I suppose.
I don’t know what study Hartmann was referring to. And to be sure there have been a number of attempts to show some positive power of prayer. But without showing his underlying work, Harmann has earned my scrutiny. What study? And how is it flawed?
In my own search for studies about the efficacy of prayer, I came across this study by Dr. Herbert Benson, a Harvard Medical School graduate. When the patients do not know if they are being prayed for or not, there is no effect. Oddly however, those who knew they were being prayed for actually did worse, by a statistically significant margin. Tough god they had, poor souls.
Of course, I don’t mean to suggest human caring in whatever form might not boost the spirits of a knowing recipient, and in some way affect the psychology of a patient for the better or worse. But praying to the imaginary and magical sky god will not heal us. Not our heart disease. Or our environment. Or our sprained ankles.
I think it is especially meaningful that no one would think to pray that an amputees’s leg will grow back. Even magical thinking has its limits. Limits designed to protect the illusion.
And this is not to crush human hope. We might wish madly for scientific advances that allow our good doctors to regrow or re-attach limbs. We might hope our good minds may advance technology to defeat the problems that very technology has advanced upon us.
But it will happen with great human effort and ingenuity, not simply magical thinking.
And so it is with heavy heart that I will stay off my ankle, keep it iced down and wrapped, and elevate it over my heart. I will be positive and hope to return to action by mid-June and not mid-July. And I will miss the Old Goats until the old ligaments realign my old joint.
For the record, I got an assist on the play, but we lost the spring championship game anyway.
Thanks for keeping them honest, Joe, and hope you heal quickly (that’s about as spiritual as it will get with me) – prayers or not.
Thanks. I’ll never be ready for tomorrow’s game. But who knows.
Shucks Joe started out thinking this would be a good read then poof Thom Hartmann won’t be on the shelf. Hey I read The God Delusion I think Dawkins comes closest to my thinking. Harris freaks me out sometimes.
Thanks for the review and all the book reviews on the blog recently. Its appreciated especially from people who share my beliefs.
I would not wholly condemn this book. The first two parts were interesting and well done. The third part is also interesting. I’m just not thinking some raised consciousness is going to change the energy and we’ll all be okay. I believe we are going to try to solve our problems or not, and the solutions we may try will work or not.
But don’t let me keep you from reading it.
Hi Joe, man any kind of foot/ankle problem is bad. I know because my neuro-muscular problem(genetic)started in my feet and there is little worse in my mind than being literally hobbled by foot pain and not being able to get around properly. And to that end most people push things and try and walk or do more than they should to soon and not heal properly. What am I getting at, well it’s advice(which no one ever takes anyway)to try and not push it and use feet well ankles to soon.
My inner atheist is sending your extroverted atheist the Great Spaghetti Monster’s wishes for the fastest recovery possible.
Not walking sucks. For sure.
I try to play pretty easy, so I can play again another day. But it was the championship. And the ball. It was there. And I was there. And. What are you going to do.
Thanks for the well wishes. I’ll play again for the Goats. This is not career ending.
I am not pleased you have an injury, however, I feel like I am benefiting cause it is a pleasure to read you again.
Interesting topic.
Two links that might offer something:
Belief and Biology
Stroke of Insight…
I have wanted to ask some thoughtful atheists some questions, being a believer in something which I cannot explain nor understand. Actually, I figured that as no one knows God-no god, I could make up whatever I wanted.
Do atheists believe in spirituality? If so, what is an atheist’s spirituality connected to? How would an atheist describe/define spirituality? How about soul? Soul music? Soul food? Soulful?
What do atheists offer as “the” or “a” purpose for human life? Is there one?
Off topic: Ordered your new book 😉
This will be a quick answer because I have to be somewhere shortly but the questions are good ones.
Each person can only speak for themselves as to why they believe something. I don’t see atheism as a negative or as a non-belief but as a positive belief in the Now.
For me, I don’t think about being spiritual but I suppose you, well I could say that I believe there is a spirituality in being connected to the earth, our planet and wanting to help reverse the environmental devastation that is being done to it. No matter how practical I would say that is a spiritual quest.
I guess that would also tie into the meaning of life or purpose in life-to help live and create around you the best world possible because the here and now is all we have.
The Golden Rule continues to be the simplest yet easiest for anyone to understand-Do unto others as you wish done to you….and you can expand that to include not just people but all living creatures and the earth itself.
Wish I had more time to think this through but have to go.
Hey Tampopo. Very good to see you.
Enjoyed reading those links.
I do not know if I have good answers to your questions. I don’t know that I’d be considered a thoughtful atheist. But I’ll give you my answers.
Do atheists believe in spirituality? I wouldn’t presume to speak for “atheists” as a whole. I’m a relative newcomer to this tribe. But as I go along, I tend to believe less in spirituality, and I do see it as a similar kind of thinking that is used by the religious. And I think that is kind of a bummer — to take all mystery out of things — so I don’t do that. I just look at the unknown things as perhaps one day knowable. Things to ask questions about. Things we may answer one day, to the extent we can reach that understanding within the bounds of our biological units (or however we might alter these units technologically). I very much enjoyed the first essay you shared and would place myself very nearly with the thoughts of the author/speaker — although far less eloquent and educated.
Since I do not really “believe” in spirituality, other than as a concept I observe in most of the other humans I communicate with, I don’t know that I can describe it. It is what I see others doing or saying about it. And often times I do not agree that those folks who are living it or describing it are experiencing much other than a psychological experience they are verbalizing to me. But I’m usually a pleasant listener on these topics. And I don’t mind listening. It is interesting.
As for “soul” — this is a term I embrace as an artist. It is that individuality in us — that is perhaps yet unexplained. That is how I use the term personally. (And I very much liked your first article’s reference to this — and the fear of it being explained away). I like that there is mystery. But I tend to think that as we examine each individual mystery, we might be able to understand it better and better in rational terms. And redefine our understanding as human knowledge increases — getting a better and better picture of what drives these individual intangibles in our personality. I like how Chomsky has used the term “generative grammar.” I can say I even know what it means in objective terms. But to me — it always makes me think of where the words in my head come from. The particular phrasing that makes me sound like me. I see voices in people’s writing. But I really don’t think this is “magic.” I suspect it is a very complicated process that is totally understandable by future humans — should they survive. Or may even really well educated humans of today.
Purpose of life. Personally, I do not believe it. I use the words good and evil. I think the thoughts good and bad. But I tend to be very relative in my thinking. And I just do not think there is a purpose in life — beyond those we assign through our own psychology.
Thanks for the order, too. Hope you enjoy. Good talking to you.
Thanks for your response.
Skeptical Inquirer is a very good magazine which challenges all kinds of beliefs, research, practices – primarily looking for good science.
The Efficacy of Prayer is from 2000. I could not find another review of prayer research which was written in July/August 2006.
“Afterwards, you’re a genius :faith, medicine, and the metaphysics of healing” by Chip Brown (1998) was a humorous account about Brown’s exploration into less than mainstream practices and researchers. The title comes from his meeting with a professor doing research at the University of Las Vegas (yes, funny comments in the book on that). To paraphrase, “Exploring the unusual, you are considered a kook until you find something – afterwards you’re a genius.”
Speaking of goats.
Check out the water studies done by Japanese researcher Masaru Emoto. He has several books at Amazon.
I find this stuff interesting because we all share the water one way or another.
Everybody believes what he wants or needs to. I’m a believer, but I don’t think my prayers or good thoughts can undo your injury. I hope the FSM will help you survive and benefit from this unexpected event.
Get well soon.
I lived a long time as a human prone to what I would now call magical thinking. Most of my life. And subjectively, I will admit to lapsing to that way of thinking frequently. I am as easily self-deluded as the next person. But when I get to putting on the critical thinking hat, a mode I’ve adopted more and more as I age and learn, it appears to me that most times the things that seem on their face to be irrational are capable of some rational explanation.
What I like about my own emerging world view is that it does not preclude anything. What I like about a scientific of critical approach is that it asks questions and seeks provable explanations for what is unknown. There will always be more questions. There will always be the unknown. And perhaps limits to human understanding.
Fun things to think about. When you can’t go outside and play.
Hi Joe. Sorry to hear about your ankle. I hope that you are back on it soon. Some people find comfort (or something) in prayer, I never did. But other parts of that book do sound very interesting.
When you mention that those who knew they were being prayed for, did not heal as well as those who weren`t, or didn`t know, I think I know why.
If I was hurt & wishing I got better as fast as possible, & then was told, people were praying for me, I might assume, “Holy crap, I`m much worse off than I thought.”
The worrying, morphs into full blown depression. You now wish you hadn`t been born, when some one says you could be “born again”.
Hmmn, sounds like magical thinking to me.
So, I believe your leg will be better soon, & hopefully this little fun took your mind of the pain.
I think your theory may be what they actually posited as a theory to explain the data in the study for the abstract I linked.
Intrepid Magical Thinking person, me, stops by to make a comment. . .well, you knew I would have to, didn’t you?
Just as you and all others can only factually speak to your own experiences, I can only speak from my own personal experiences.
Coming from my bits of information in the study of psychology, I feel it is surprisingly clear that What we “think” or “believe” about anything powerfully directs our lives. It has been so for me in my personal experience of life here.
When I believe that there are limits and prohibitions on me and my potential in any endeavor. . .there are. When I have come to operate from the place of limitless potential I find that things seem to work out almost “magically” for me. Aren’t I lucky? I don’t have any faith or belief in luck. I do believe that all things offer me an opportunity to find a better way. . .yes, even those crappy, painful, distasteful experiences of life have value for me to understand more, see more deeply, expand my knowledge, move forward with more information.
Do I have illnesses and difficulties in my life to overcome or make the best of? Of course I do. I’m living on the same planet all of you are (at least most of the time, LOL). In my view, it is not these occurrences that are determinate, but it is what I do with these things that matter. What my view or perspective is, is what makes the difference.
Just one of hundreds of incidents in my life (I’m currently writing a book about the amazing number of them) is the reality or fact that I have NO cartilage in both of my knees. . .since the 1990’s. I was in increasing, unending and excruciating pain for several years, I was almost unable to make it through my working years to retirement because of it. I took the arthritis meds prescribed. . .they worked for exactly 2 weeks. I had arthroscopic surgery, which lasted about 3 years. I had injections of syn-visc (a horribly painful procedure) that lasted exactly 2 months. The prognosis was double knee replacement. There were no other options. Heavy doses of pain killers and anti-inflammatory meds helped very little.
The doctors wanted to schedule the surgery right away. I said no. Wasn’t going to happen. So what the hell was I thinking? I was in so much pain I could not sleep more than 1-2 hours a night and then I had to get up and walk or limp around my house crying in pain. I was pathetic.
Why did I go that route? I just knew deep within me that there was another, better way for me. Didn’t know at that moment what it was or would be, but I knew.
Reiki, EMF balancing, Theta level Healing, Bowen Therapy. . .all things I knew nothing or very little about at that moment came knocking on my door (almost literally)within a few months of my decision and from people I hadn’t even met yet.
Even after the welcoming of the people into my life that had experience and training in these modalities, I didn’t really know much about them nor have any particular unshakable belief in them. But I did know that together in concert with the other things that we were cooperatively involved in my “problem” would be taken care of.
It happened magically. . .I know how some of you hate that concept or smirk at the thought of it. . .and that’s fine with me. I have no desire to change your views or thoughts. These were the right ones for me. On New Years Eve 2001, I got down on the floor to do something at a little gathering of these friends. Now what I could have been thinking with that is a mystery because if I ever got down on the floor I could never get up without the help of at least 2 people and it was extraordinarily painful even with the help. It just didn’t enter my mind.
When I was done I just got up and walked (not limped) across the room to my chair. People stopped in their tracks, everyone was looking at me with an odd silence.
“Wait a minute, how did you do that?” someone finally said. That was the exact same moment that I became aware of it.
Six months later, I was hiking trails in the Teton Mountains with a group of friends. No more pain. No more inability to get comfortable enough to sleep. No more limping. Magical. Or so it is to me.
I still have no cartilage, and doctors cannot fathom how I can walk and or not be in excruciating pain. The X-rays verify I have bone on bone in both knees. I just am very grateful to the energies of the universe that it is so for me to be so mobile and free from pain and able to move about freely.
Am I just plain “lucky?” Am I somehow more deserving than others? Not at all. I have learned how the “energies” or physics of the universe work and how I can align my own “energies” with the things I desire for my well-being. Anyone can learn the same things should they wish to. Doesn’t take anyone special or out of the ordinary to do as I have and so many others have.
I honor each persons choice of what they believe and use to create their perspective of their lives. I am not at all interested in “converting” anyone to my way of thinking. Only you know what works for you. I know what works for me. Always happy to share if any are interested, otherwise. . .let’s all just carry on and find a place that feels fabulously happy for us.
Hugs and Blessings
Shirl
You might enjoy the book “Constructive Thinking” by Seymour Epstein.
After some discussion on how to learn to think constructively (not merely “positive thinking, which can be naively positive, rather “constructive” to balance realistic view of the world with positive attitude) .. he then covers personality types that are prone to illness and even cancer (I’m pretty sure with references to authors of studies). And THEN, best yet, covers how the mind can heal the body, documenting his wife’s use of meditation and modalities that are akin to Reiki to heal her terminal cancer. They documented the progress of the tumor shrinking, and documented the progress halting when she took a break to help her daughter get married, and the progress resuming when she got back on the meditation path that she set out to follow.
He’s very well structured in his writing, he disses (constructively) on “purely” magical thinking, and yet he balances his skepticism with research on how and why constructive approaches to thinking about our situations and about the motivations of others can lead to success in life.
In a sense, it’s almost like “The Secret” .. but for empirical athiests, who need research, and action steps they can take for themselves.
I’ve read so many books over the years I can barely remember who and when, but if I feel drawn to it I will give it a glance.
As for the mind healing the body, I have read numerous books on the topic from psychology, physics, metaphysics to a plethora of ancient spiritual texts. . . the one I like to recommend to others from the “reality world” is Dr Bernie Segal’s “Love, Medicine and Miracles.” I’ve seen healing in action so many times I would be absolutely unable to deny that it is valid and that it works.
I love to talk about things as “magic” and “miracles” because it makes me smile and those more inclined to “realism” or “reality” find it easy to poke fun of such remarks, so we all get to smile.
As for “The Secret” I have scanned it, not really read it fully, but I have accumulated much more in depth and constructive information about The Law of Attraction than is contained there over my 25 years of study. I have found what works for me in all areas of my life and I am quite well pleased with it. Always open for an expansion of concepts, but most people’s version of what reality is and mine are worlds apart. That’s okay. We are all just where we are and what gets us through and leads us to a fulfilling and joyful life is exactly where we each find our answers.
Everyone has their own way of finding what is true for them. . .whatever it is that works is great.
Thanks for your comments and interaction.
Hugs
Shirl
It is in part three of the book, as Hartmann attempts to address how humankind might address these crises, where I have become disenchanted with his work.
Modern works of physics are given surface analysis and shot through with whisps of spirituality. Consciousness, he seemed to be saying, can shift and we can save ourselves.
Shorter version: “It’s time to say your prayers.”
I am sure you can figure out what THAT means! :/