I was impressed by Clinton’s speech as a political act. My thoughts related to what I thought she was attempting to accomplish with her speech and I emphasized her goals and agenda, and what the speech did to advance those, more than what it may or may not have done to benefit Obama. From the comments to my prior post, I get the feeling that some of you think that I allowed her speech to convert me into a Hillary supporter for Vice President. That is not the case. So, to clarify my thought process, some further remarks are in order.
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First,
I do not want Clinton as the Vice president, and I hope Obama doesn’t either. However, she isn’t going away, and she will want something in exchange for dropping her scorched earth campaign and getting herself, Chelsea and Bill out on the hustings stumping for the Junior Senator from Illinois. I have to think Obama and she came to some meeting of the minds during their tête-à-tête at Feinstein’s house on Thursday night, even if that agreement is contingent on what she does for him from here on in. And she did deliver a good speech yesterday as the first down payment, on her part, for whatever it is she does want.
Second,
Obama strikes me as the kind of person who has a unique ability to bring former enemies into his camp and get them working with one another. The analogy I’m making here is to Lincoln, obviously, who filled his cabinet with all his rivals within the party. It was a high wire act on his part, but it also made each of them responsible for the performance of his administration, and it kept them close where he could keep an eye on them and prevent their ambitions in check. I suspect we could very easily see the same thing happen with a President Obama, with Edwards, Biden, Richardson and maybe Dodd all appointed as cabinet members.
Now the Clintons present a unique challenge in this regard. Both can either do great harm or great good for an Obama administration, and both would be valuable assets in the general election campaign. Both still remain ambitious, Bill for the sake of his legacy, and Hillary for her continuing political career. In my mind the best way to deal with them is to harness them to Obama in some fashion. So what can he offer them?
Bill is probably the easier of the two to handle. He can be given several opportunities that might appeal to his vanity and play to his strengths. One might be an appointment as the next UN ambassador. It’s a role he would play well. His popularity overseas, his formidable people skills and his relationships with many of the world’s leaders would be definite assets for the job.
He might also be offered a position as Obama’s special envoy to the Middle East to work on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Clinton was unable to complete his own peace plan when Arafat couldn’t or wouldn’t deliver the Palestinians. I suspect nothing would appeal to Bill more than the challenge of finding a lasting peace after Bush made such a hash of Israeli Palestinian relations through a combination of neglect and enabling the worst excesses of the Olmert government in Lebanon and Gaza.
Hillary is the harder nut to crack (no pun intended). She will want a high profile position even if the Vice presidency is not an option. In her concession speech she made universal health care a point of emphasis, mentioning it numerous times. One option may be to create an unofficial cabinet level position as Health Care Czar. I’m certain Hillary Clinton would like to remove the glaring failure of her health care plan during her husband’s administration. At the time she was seen as a parvenu. Now she is a well established Washington player, and like it or not, Obama cannot accomplish what he wants to do by ignoring the way the Washington game is played.
Third,
Unlike Bush, Obama will not come into the Oval Office with a solid bloc of mindless radicals behind him, willing to march in lock step to his orders, and willing to bully those in the party who believe differently to get with the program. He has no intimidating force like Tom Tom DeLay in the House who can deliver every member of the party either out of loyalty or fear, and no toady like Frist in the Senate. And unlike Bush, he won’t benefit from the trauma of 9/11. That was a one time event, and its effects can never be repeated. He won’t get that rally round the flag moment when he takes the oath of office in January, 29009. Instead, Obama will be forced to work with shifting coalitions of competing interests both within his own party and among Republicans.
Between moderate/conservative “Blue Dogs” in the House, old time politicos like Hoyer, Conyers and Pelosi in the House, a stratified and pompous group of egos who rule the Senate like Reid, Byrd, Rockefeller, etc., and progressive factions in both houses that seem unable to effectively advance their own agenda on policies both foreign and domestic, Obama will have his work cut out for him if he hopes to achieve the goals he has set for the country in this campaign. He will need to make collaborators out of former (and current) adversaries. He won’t have the benefits of simply stamping his foot and watching all the Democrats fall into line, as a petulant and spoiled George W. Bush was able to do all too often with the Republicans.
For better or worse, the Clintons represent a significant faction of the Democratic Party, one now in decline, but hardly eradicated by any means. Something will have to be done to ensure their cooperation with, and willing effort on behalf of, Obama, both now during the campaign and after he becomes President. It will be one of Obama’s most difficult challenges as a politician in the months and years ahead to see that both the Clintons and their followers work for his vision of the Democratic party and America, not against it.
One option may be to create an unofficial cabinet level position as Health Care Czar
I understand that Tom Daschle may want that spot. Soooooooo the woman who tried to undermine Obama doesn’t get it.
Hilary hasn’t demonstrated administrative prowess in any field, most notably her failed health care attempt and her campaign.
Give her something flashy that has not power.
You exaggerate the influence and importance of the Clintons. Anything they can do, someone else can do just as well or better. Sorry, there is little reason to kowtow, even out of feelings of deference. I don’t mean they should be punished in any way or completely ignored. They are where they are, let them stay there. Bill Clintons as UN ambassador, as if the job is grabbag giveaway. No. Health care. After the way Mrs. Clinton managed her campaign can she be trusted with health care. Her primary campaign anno 2008 was just as bungled as her health care project anno 1993—15 years later! Let them stay where they are and not be given the status of the special case, which they are really not. The Clinton era has ended. At least I hope so. We are not here to pay any debts they may think they’re owed. Bill Clinton’s presidency was stellar: NAFTA, media consolidation, sex scandal, what else? The economy also doesn’t look so great in hindsight because all the roots of what we’re seeing now can be traced back to then: market bubbles, cheap money, hype, what else?
After John Bolton, I think we need a high profile UN ambassador to help resurrect our image there. Bill fits that bill.
John Bolton had/has a rather high profile, strangely enough. He can often still be heard quacking on the BBC World Service: former U.S. U.N. Ambassador John Bolton. After we look beyond a high profile and image, the U.S. is well advised (by me!) to find a man or woman of substance. Bill Clinton just needs too much attention: a vain clown. The world is not interested in image, anymore, slick PR, it needs substance, then more people around the world will automatically think better of the U.S. and no will moan about the Clintons anymore. As I said, let them stay where they are, and, I add, let them figure out for themselves where they are. Obviously I feel passionately about this subject.
Steven D,
The Clinton era has ended. Let it be. Obama has a wealth of talent to call on.
First the Vetting is an issue.
Thanks to Vanity Fair, “The Comeback Id,” GOP would love to have the Clintons in the VP spot. As former president Jimmy Cartter puts it: The worst of both worlds.
Notice I write of them in the plural. Bill will not release the donors list (all those foreign nationals for his foundation and library. They under-reported their income. I could continue. Let’s leave it there.
Obama does not need this distraction.
Bill can’t be controlled. Hillary’s top aides told The Telegraph, UK that Bill will be all over Hillary’s administration and it will be difficult to find anyone who’ll take the post of Secretary of State because Bill can pick up the phone and call Gordon Brown.
The Clintons on the ticket voids 47% of voters including moi…and that’s before you factor in the AA voters who are not quick to forgive. We don’t need to keep an eye on the Clintons.
No. No. No. to a unity ticket.
Obama is not a boy to be ddictated to.
Obama can’t go back on his message and NO ONE should push the Clintons unto his plate.
I’m not pushing them onto his plate. But one way or another he will have to deal with them and their supporters who must be wooed back into the fold. I honestly believe they aren’t going away and how Obama handles the Clintons will go a long way toward how successful a campaign in the general he can run.
Steven D, I did not mean to imply you were doing the VP pushing.
Anyone noticed that before Clinton conceded, Obama had to sit down with her? That’s an affront I’ve never witnessed in politics. Ever.
Obama has been effusive in his praise of Hillary. He can’t be made to get down on his knees and beg. She is not deserving of the praise. Think Scaife. Enough already.
We forget too soon the divisive campaign Hillary waged…so it’s her responsibility to bring her supporters to the table even if she has to work 24/7.
Does anyone seriously think Hillary’s supporters will not come around? – They’ll risk the continuation of Bush’s policies.
CAUGHT ON VIDEO
H. Clinton’s greatest constituency is the media and the corporatists who have been financing her family. If Clinton is cut off from power within an Obama administration her value reduces to that of a senator who’s not the lead dog in the pack in Congress. Not a bad way to making a living, but you certainly can’t declare genocide on Iran over a three-day weekend.
Right now the media keep trying to pump her up but that’s been pretty much played out in less than a week. The various memes to make Clinton important (for ex, the “I’m a woman and I’ll never vote for a Dem/Obama/a man/a black person ever again”) are becoming less and less compelling, even looking more and more like garbage out of Republicanistas’ mouths.
Obama owes Clinton nothing but a thanks for a history-making race. My only quibble, Quentin, is that soon after Super Tuesday the Clinton camp switched from winning to wounding Obama. She couldn’t win so she was taking one for the team.
Give her a seat on the healthcare task force. Put a name card in front of it.
And she’s turned out not to even be a good manager. She’s like a bulldog.
I really don’t care what the Clintons do. All I want is no more “czars.” What’s wrong with the word ‘secretary?’
Can’t we get away from the idea that people need to be exalted?
Hillary tried for the most important political job and she lost. She and Bill already have their places in history, but can still serve.
It must be remembered that they are all public servants. To my mind, anyone who wants to change history and gets carried away with their own self-importance is a cheney.
No more of those please!
I got the impression that the Drug Czar was the guy who was in charge of getting drugs into the country. The Drug Lords were the guys who served the Czar.
Boy, were you wrong — everybody knows the Drug Czar doesn’t bring the drugs into the country, he just he just makes sure it’s exceedingly profitable to do so.
I’m not sure that I agree with the keep your friends close and your enemies closer school of thought. And it’s remains unclear why being the rich junior senator from New York State is seen as some kind of cute-rate cosolation prize. She will likely have the job as long as she wants it and will continue to have high visibility. I understand your thinking Steven, it just seems too much like a reward, something of which both Hil and Bill are totally undeserving.
Should be cut rate, certainly not cute rate.
I understood your meaning.
Now there’s a good point here — does Clinton deserve anything? We may all agree that the answer is no, but as Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven reminded us, “Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”
A single-digit salute, raised high.
I read it all Frenchified “cue-tay rah-tay” and had to wonder about it.
I wouldn’t bet on it:
‘She will likely have the job as long as she wants it…’
But you can take the following to the bank:
‘She…will continue to have high visibility.’
Give her a job on FOX News. She can sit next to Ferraro.
I feel a lot of sympathy for Obama. He’s going to have to deal with externals (Blackwater, Iraq, global warming, M.E., economy) which are all hugely knotty problems. And at the same time he’ll have to be trying to get the Democratic party in harness and functioning as a kind of unit.
The poor man is going to have his hands full. I believe he’s up to the job, but he’s going to be very busy. Especially since we don’t know the full extent of the secrets of the Bush/Cheney regime. The stuff that has leaked has been horrifying enough….Lord knows what they still managed to hide.
Maybe my brain hasn’t kicked in yet today, but I can’t think of any former prez who has been named to a political job such as ambassador. Special envoy, maybe, but having any Ex in a real government position like ambassador seems like a conflict in the making, especially with an ego like Bill’s in the mix. Bad idea. He already got to be prez — he doesn’t need to be placated. Forget him.
To say nothing of the Dems.
As to the larger issue, I think any appointments should be made on the basis of ability, not trying to game the power system. Hillary has plenty of ability and would make a great Sec of Education, for example. As I said earlier, I’d even be fine with her as VP, but her primary tactics would make her a huge drag on the campaign. Obama needs her to work for him on her own, not as part of his “team”. He should not even hint at appointing her to anything until he’s elected.
Obama’s first rule and I guess only rule when he started his campaign was ‘no drama’. I’m thinking that alone would rule out any kind of his calling on either Clinton for some high profile role in his administration.
Both the Clinton’s seem to be the definition of high drama. I don’t have any clue how Obama will or will not deal with Hillary but given the fact that his administration is going to have so much to deal with I’m thinking he won’t want the added drama if he appoints Hillary or Bill to any high profile job-too much attention would be focused on them personally by the media. I don’t want any kind of media frenzy surrounding what they might be doing even if it happens to be something good.
And I wouldn’t trust them not to undermine Obama(see look over here you really should have elected me president)
However Obama has proven himself to be politically savy and tough and maybe he can find some slot for Clinton that would appease her supporters but a slot that would insure little or no public recognition.(although doubtful she would take a position like that but then he could say he offered)
Although I don’t think she deserves anything after the campaign she ran.
I think she’d be great on the Supreme Court.
Totally disagree. She has limited courtroom experience, isn’t a legal scholar. SCOTUS shouldn’t be a consolation prize for anyone.
Has anyone noticed the circular din being created in the media? It goes like this:
I keep seeing these articles and I ask myself, “How come no one gives a sh*t about McCain’s VP?” After all, he’s been presumptive for months now.
What is the difference between the Dems and the Repubs?
Here’s why I think what is is:
With every day H. Clinton recedes into history. More former Clinton supporters who had thought they wouldn’t vote for Obama shrug and say, yeah, whatever, and return to being Dems first. It’s the media that wants Obama to choose Clinton. They don’t particularly give a damn who McCain’s running mate is.
Why should the media be rooting for Hillary? Because the corporatists are rooting for one of their own. Always good to have someone in your pocket from both columns. If Hillary is VP then the corporatists and their media dogs can really work on smearing Obama off the top of the ticket, or if worse comes to worst, the powers-that-be can do Obama sixties-style. But if Obama puts someone to his left on the ticket, especially someone who might actually follow through prosecuting the Bush lawbreakers, then they can’t shoot, plane-crash, poison or scandalize him to death.
I’m not sure how good Obama will be as President, but it appears he scares the hell out of the corporatists, and that in itself is an endorsement.
Bob, I don’t know if the media wants Clinton as VP, but I do think Clinton wants something, whether that is Veep or not, and the best way to get whatever she wants is to 1) help Obama and 2) keep her name in play for the only thing the media focuses on right now which is the Veep slot. As for why they don’t care about McCain’s veep, I think most of them don’t believe McCain is going to win, though they’ll do their best for him. Besides, who among the Repub candidates for veep is as much of a celebrity as Hillary. Remember, a lot of this is infotainment driven. Chriss Matthews response to Terry McAuliffe last month was telling when Terry was on one of his little rants about all the pundits wanting Hillary out of the race. We don’t want her out he kept saying, she’s good for ratings.
So, for the media its simpler than we try to make it. HRC is the celeb angle, the one angle to keep people watching their shows now that the primaries are over. Because McCain and Obama will not be doing much until the conventions roll around, and it is Summer. People are sick of politics at this point. Only a Clinton saga has any media appeal (both for those who love her and those who love to hate her).
As for what the Clintons really want? I don’t know, but I doubt it’s the Veep slot even if her supporters want that for her. But if she does want it, she’ll have to convince Obama she and Bill are more of an asset than a liability. The only way to do that is by camapaigning avidly for him over the next 3 months. If she doesn’t, that’s a good sign she isn’t serious about being grabbing the Vice presidential ring.