I know it’s hard to understand, but the threat of terrorism isn’t like the threat of losing an election. You can win 70% of the vote, but if 5% of the population is unreconciled to your victory and is willing to commit and facilitate acts of random and targeted violence, you can have chaos. You can think of al-Qaeda as an organization made up of a small group of (mostly) Saudi and Egyptian political dissidents whose primary concern was opposition to their country’s regimes and those regimes’ tight relationship with the U.S. government. They were specifically outraged by the basing of U.S. soldiers and airmen within the Saudi kingdom. Toppling Saddam Hussein and stationing U.S. troops in that country on a more or less permanent basis was not an intelligent way of dealing with political opposition to the Saudi and Egyptian governments. It just added a new grievance by placing unbelievers in another Muslim country known for its Holy sites and shrines.
The New York Times Editorial Board seems to understand this:
The United Nations resolution authorizing the American role in Iraq expires at the end of this year. Since December, the two governments have been quietly negotiating their own deal.
Despite the importance of this issue, the White House is refusing to divulge details of its position. But according to Iraqi leaders, who went public with their complaints this week, Washington has been insisting on keeping more than 50 long-term bases in Iraq. The Iraqis also say that Washington is insisting that American forces have a free hand in launching military operations when and wherever they want.
If true — and a lot of this sounds disturbingly plausible — the Iraqis are right to object, and so should Congress and the American public.
These steps appear calculated to keep American troops in Iraq indefinitely — exactly the wrong course for both countries. Any talk of long-term basing rights, in particular, will only feed popular resentments. And the suggestion that America is prepared to continue the war indefinitely will, once again, relieve Iraq’s leaders of any pressure to take responsibility for their own security or their political future.
Part of the problem for John McCain is that he is advocating a policy that is designed to make it safe for American troops to stay in Iraq for 100 years. And he is trying to use metrics like the monthly casualty rate to argue that things are getting safer and thus progress is being made. But Iraq is still a lethal country for our troops and its population will never be reconciled to foreign occupation.
Moreover, we’re trying to negotiate a deal with a popularly elected government. It’s always possible for the Iraqi government to call off future elections, but as long as they are scheduling them (and they are), we have to recognize that politicians tend not to do things that are wildly unpopular in their districts and provinces.
And, for our own domestic political purposes, the problem for Bush and McCain is that they simply cannot articulate a rationale for an ongoing military occupation of Iraq. People can understand an effort to provide enough stability for the Iraqi government to take over for our soldiers, but they can’t understand why we are negotiating to have over 50 permanent bases in Iraq. The American people don’t support such a policy any more than the Iraqi people do. For this reason, Bush and McCain simply refuse to acknowledge what their policy is or to discuss any merits it might have. The New York Times concludes:
What makes this all the more confusing is that in recent months there has been some tentative progress in Iraq. American and Iraqi casualties have declined, and there are signs that the central government is beginning to assert its authority against Shiite militias in Basra and Sadr City and against allies of Al Qaeda in Mosul. Mr. Bush and Mr. McCain cannot have it both ways: insisting that American troops must stay if things go badly, and that they must stay if they go well.
Mr. Bush should start preparing now for an orderly withdrawal — and for a strategic review of America’s relationship with Iraq. Since he stubbornly refuses to do that, he should negotiate an extension of the United Nations mandate and leave any deal on future American-Iraqi relations to his successor.
I commend the New York Times for pointing out the inconsistencies in the policy, but they are beating around the bush. It is now evident that the policy hasn’t been to eradicate tyranny or to promote democracy or to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. The policy has been to establish permanent military bases in Iraq. What’s not clear is why.
“The policy has been to establish permanent military bases in Iraq. What’s not clear is why.”
Bush’s denial to the contrary. It was, is, always has been the oil…including
The Caspian Sea and all it holds
AND more to the NYTimes piece:
Thinkprogress provides this snippet and video from CNN that if it pans out, McSame Bush will be left on the limb and Obama’s mission to bring the troops home will be an easier do.
And they’ll ask us to leave. This is not Saudi Arabia where the royals need to have us defend their wealth. Iraqis hold a different mindset; another of the some things the neo-cons overlooked.
BTW, notice it is termed “security agreement” bypassing Congress – once again they’re being conned.
It is about something far bigger and more sinister than oil. It is about establishing unquestionable world dominance. Control of oil is only a means – a step along the way, as it were.
Read the manifesto of the Project for the New American Century. That spells it out very clearly.
“Obama’s mission to bring the troops home will be an easier do.“
Obama’s mission is NOT to bring the troops home – or at least that is NOT his intention, as he himself has stated.
Obama fully intends to continue the occupation indefinitely, with a “residual force” that is estimated to be between 50,000-75,000 strong, and will include combat troops with combat missions.
PLEASE people, do not be satisfied with the pretty sound bytes that feed your happy fantasies. Obama has spelled out his plan for Iraq, it is to continue the occupation with a lower, more tolerable profile.
unless you care to provide some hard copy, this is Obama’s published plan found under Issues – Iraq
That’s one factor in Bush’s push to have an indefinite long term Status of Forces/Security Agreement that’s been rejected by Maliki
Those 50,000-75,000 troops you cited as remaining in Iraq will be needed in Afghanistan-Pakistan – now setting up for the world’s greatest problem. That’s bankable.
The Soviets with 500,000 troops did not prevail. U.S and NATO can’t succeed with only 60,000 at current levels.
Given developments in Iraq over the last 36 hours, we’ll be asked to leave.
So, you quote the PR material on Obama’s campaign website to prove your case? That’s like quoting from an advertisement to prove that McDonald’s hamburgers are the most nutritious on earth.
Obama has spelled out his plan for Iraq in various interviews and speeches. He is engaging in sleight of hand – some rather brazen – in his statement on his website. To wit: “Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq.” You see, once the new president takes office, he will not NEED to build any permanent bases in Iraq, because the permanent bases are there now, having been built by the previous president. What Obama has NOT said is that he will not USE the already-built permanent bases.
And what kind of sleight of hand is involved in his promise to remove “all combat troops” within 16 months when he has listed the “missions” for the troops that will remain, some of which are obviously combat missions? Has he said he will not bring any troops INTO Iraq while he is withdrawing those one or two brigades a month? To the best of my knowledge, he has not.
And by the way, Obama has voted FOR every single war/occupation appropriation bill. Oh – except for the last one. He conveniently did not show up to vote that day despite the fact that he was IN Wash DC.
If you think I am making it all up about Obama’s non-withdrawal “withdrawal” plan, you might be interested in look at this article.
You should also take a close look at this from April of this year:
“A key adviser to Senator Obama’s campaign is recommending in a confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.“
That should get you started. Let me know if you need more.
And by the way, Obama’s voting record, and his Iraq non-withdrawal “withdrawal” plan are virtually identical to what Hillary’s were, which is why I did not vote for either of them in the primary, and probably will not vote for Obama in the general (and no, I will not vote for McCain, of course).
Look, Obama is a politician like all other politicians, and can be trusted and taken at his word exactly to the same degree as any other politician – i.e. not at all.
Washington Post:
Professor Juan Cole has more on Maliki’s visit(s) and comments:
the resolution for Iraq is via Iran.
anyhow, we’re placing our focus on the wrong piece of real estate. We need to engage Iran, one-on-one. We had their cooperation right after 9/11 and then we turned to demonizing; disputing their legal rights under the NPT.
It’s this that will bleed us –
Afghanistan; a daring prison assault and prisoners escape- four US soldiers killed overnight and and its twin, Pakistan. Here sits the greatest problem for all the world and it’ll be a surprise.
The fuse has been lit. We, on behalf of the PNAC gang, struck the match. The Soviets had over 500,000 troops and could not prevail. NATO and the U.S. think they can succeed with only 60,000.
Note your agenda. Iraq won’t be on the stove.
Cheney. Halliburton. Oil.
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Bush (sr.) – Carlyle – Saudi contracts
Paying for the fuel price
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
We should all heed closely this very plausible blog posting from very knowledgeable, very well-connected Iraqi Ra’ed Jarrar:
“58 bases? I don’t think so
“the “media leaks” about the U.S.-Iraqi treaty are fishy.
there is a huge Iraqi public and parliamentary opposition to signing any treaty with the U.S. while Iraq is occupied, but what has been happening lately is that some U.S.-backed Iraqi puppets have been manufacturing a parallel fake crisis in this way:
1- leaking exaggerated information to the media: The Iraqi and U.S. negotiators want to set the bar low by claiming there are 58 bases, so that when they announce the real draft with say 5 bases it will sound reasonable and it will make the negotiations look legitimate.
2- Creating a fake opposition front: U.S.-backed Iraqi puppets, who are openly for permanent bases and indefinite occupation, have been giving strong statements against the U.S. intervention to steal the thunder of the real opposition. Then in a few weeks the same people will tell us that they’ve reached to a mid-way solution that will respect Iraq’s sovereignty.
It seems that the majority of the media have taken the bait. I personally don’t think there is any real negotiations taking place. There is a final draft the U.S. and Iraqi “negotiators” are trying to market, and they’re going to announce it very soon.
Whether the U.S. government wants to leave 200 bases or 1 base in Iraq, the Iraqi resistance to the foreign occupiers will not change. It is not a matter of “troops level”, it is more about “occupation presence”.
the only way to end violence in Iraq is to set a timetable for a complete withdrawal of all foriegn occupiers that leaves no bases, troops, or mercenaries behind.