One of the reasons I love Booman Tribune is because of the wonderful people here who are free to challenge and wrestle with issues, and to try their best to walk in a person’s shoes for a perspective not their own.
Of the many, many wonderful folks who post here, Supersoling’s voice is one I greatly respect. And he asked me a question that elicited such a deeply-felt (or for the more cynically inclined, totally wordy) response that I wanted more space to expand upon how I felt.
I feel like this diary is serving as a kind of political confessional. It is by far, not my best writing. I’m not advocating answers, just giving my response. I’m sort of surprised at the depth of feeling. It was only one man’s honest question, after all, not a slam or a provocation. But it was a good question, and one that allowed me to name my frustrations–I hope, for the last time about this subject of this primary–all of the attitudes that surfaced; my belief that it was made to be divisive purposefully; and how I’m trying to make my way through the muck of all that.
The question, in part was this (Super’s full post is here):
…from my perspective it’s difficult to communicate what I think about this and other racially charged aspects of this election fully so far simply because I’m not black and there is, at least it feels to me like there is and I could be wrong, an unspoken restriction on how far one can take the conversation when you’re not black. It feels like there’s an automatic disqualification of opinions coming from anyone not living and walking in those shoes. That could be just my own trepidation.
But it could also be in part, and again, this is my perception, that there’s a pretty thin hair trigger at play here from the Obama side, and especially from many of his supporters who are black. It’s easy to see how someone who doesn’t support him or even merely questions his qualifications could feel browbeaten into silence because of the real instances where charges of racism are being leveled indiscriminantly. I’ve seen white bloggers all over the place qualifying there remarks upfront as a way to preempt being called racist in the same way I’ve seen many bloggers who are nuetral between Obama and Clinton and now Obama and McCain qualifying criticism of Obama by stating their opinions aren’t evidence of any support for Clinton. That charge has been made against me several times now here on this blog. Even after stating unequivocally that I’m supporting Cynthia McKinney. Three days ago I was judged here to be an Obama hater, and thus untrustworthy because I didn’t fully love him enough. And that from a white person. It’s like it’s become the default response for many of Obama’s supporters. And when it happens enough it can lay waste a person’s reputation. Worse than that though, it creates an unbridgeable divide.
And this is my response.
You’re probably right in that it feels like a minefield for people who genuinely don’t see eye-to-eye with Barack Obama politically–nothing more, nothing less. It’s probably easier for me to respond to you because I feel like I know you. And supporting Cynthia McKinney probably helps in my estimation because I frankly believe it takes more balls to support her. Now the Honorable Cynthia McKinney–now THAT’S a woman, though she is not perfect (I know how she treated her staff, and that wasn’t pretty), I nevertheless feel has been screwed by the party.
Hillary Clinton, OTOH, has not. Not buy a country mile. Or 10 of ’em. And I find it very telling that most of the die-hards say they will support McCain, rather than McKinney.
In my experience, when it comes to dealing with whispered racism, it’s very much like pornography–I know when I see it. Sounding “taller on the telephone” because, for the person you’ve just met in person, you did not “sound Black.” People expressing surprise in your talents and abilities. And on and on.
What is universal is that it is quite independent of ideology: conservative, moderate or liberal/progressive, it matters not.
[Minor aside: if you saw Syriana, you’ll remember that scene when the Jeffrey Wright character stood up in the meeting, and you could hear a pin drop, right? Mr. AP and I laughed our asses off at that scene, with a predominantly white audience that was quiet. I’m sure many thought it inappropriate. But we laughed because we’ve been there in one form or another when you’re underestimated and frankly, unwelcome.]
It also doesn’t matter if your last name is “Clinton.” Sure, the Clintons like Blacks…as far as we know–i.e. Vernon Jordan–but let’s not forget the ways they’ve pull race out of their ass when they needed it covered. See also: Sistah Souljah, Ricky Ray Rector, Dr. Joycelyn Elders, Lani Guinier, welfare reform and draconian drug laws.
Their attitude is quite like Joe Biden’s fresh and clean moment. I described it this way in January:
I’m going to try to be careful here, because I don’t want to generalize, but here’s my take. There is a wariness among SOME (not all) African-Americans when dealing with SOME (not all) white liberals and progressives. There is a very real sense that SOME (not all) are very willing to act when it’s clear the object of that action is subordinate–acting on behalf of children or teens for example. And that person is sincere about what they are doing. But that attitude changes when an African-American is not subordinate to them (by age, economically, by mgmt rung, etc.). That’s when those patronizing “slips of the tongue” come to the fore.
Kinda like Joe Biden and the “fresh and clean” thing. I know Biden’s record. I know he’s not a knuckle-dragger. But when faced with the prospect of dealing with an African-American on the same level–a senator running for president–it was if he couldn’t quite wrap his head around it. Thus his “gaffe.”
[For the record, I’m not looking for stilted Kumbayah conversations; I only wish we can all be brilliant and screw up and have that elicit a normal response, not one based on relative levels of melanin.]
So when I hear But he’s unqualified!, I really have to wonder. Is it because his experience is somewhat different from the standard Washington prerequisites that we’ve become accustomed to over the last quarter century or is it something else? Because honestly, the Constitution is quite clear on the requirements. And when it comes to experience, he really does have more than she does.
Yes, she’s smart, but she also married smart and had a US Senate seat handed to her.
So sure–they didn’t mind him so much when they didn’t perceive him to be a threat. Hell, he may have even been seen as good veep material. They probably admired his gumption to even mount a campaign that would surely lose.
And when he started winning? Oh, look–it must be sexism that’s holding me back! And while I’m making excuses…let me pander to hardworking white people. Look, I’m sorry, Black folks…nada personal. But this is my destiny. And ya know…you’re such a forgiving lot. I’ll make it up to you by patting a CBC member on the head. Oh, alright–I’ll show up to church in October and leave a big donation in the plate. There. Friends? Thanks.
And since that didn’t work and she came up short, it seems that even being a United States Senator is now somehow beneath her. She, and only she, must be made SC Justice or Majority Leader or some such as recompense. As if there’s no one else that is talented and able to make positive contributions in the party. It completely chafes my ass.
For me, it’s this simple: I did not, under any circumstances, want a Clinton Restoration. I didn’t want it in 2004; didn’t want it this year. A Clinton Restoration meant the return of Terry McAwful and the “coordinated campaign” at the DNC that did not give a half a damn to anyone on the ticket except for the presidential. It meant the return of triangulation. It meant the return of the DLC. Opening the floodgates to tired hacks like Dick Morris and Mark Penn.
Frankly, I do not understand this stupid tripe that she somehow is this Feminist Avenging Shero and that her candidacy was about avenging the injured feelings and bruised egos of the Gloria Steinem/Geraldine Ferraro set. And Barack Obama was the perfect foil for it. It is literally ludicrous on its face.
They want to beat up on men? Start with the insipid Mark Penn. And include a few licks for her husband.
First, Penn: who in their right mind would hire that stupid hack, anyway? Why are they so enthralled by him? She had someone who wrote a good bit of the DNC rules on her campaign (The whiny Harold Ickes, who always seems to get screwed by the Clintons, only to run back and ask, “May I have another?”) but didn’t use his knowledge? She didn’t know or care about caucuses? About Texas? WTH?????
And B. Clinton. “Mis-speaking”? Bullshit. As president, your every word, comma and sigh has meaning. I’m supposed to believe that Bill suddenly forgot that fact on the campaign trail? Why don’t they beat up on him?
OK, leave the husband out of it–beat up Mark Penn. But oh no, it’s much easier to take it out on Obama. Why?
I mean, you have her blogosphere supporters trying to spin “shuck and jive” (the turd bouquet from Andrew Cuomo) as a “neutral” term used for all types of politicians. Do a Lexis Nexis search and see if that’s factual. Not!
B. Clinton and Jesse Jackson–like you think he and the rest of her supporters somehow didn’t know that “Jesse Jackson” is a boogeyman for A LOT whites, and that Barack’s achievement could be minimized, because you know–we’re just Black folks…who cares?
Look, both Bill and Hillary knew they could get away with it–or thought he could get away with it. And why? Because they’ve done so before. Well, where are they going to go? With the repubs? They’re not going anywhere. Same as liberals/progressives.
I have seen this triangulation with my own eyes, Super. And I don’t begin to give a damn that it just bit them on the ass. In fact, I’m rather tickled by it.
There has been a lot said about sexism by H. Clinton’s white women supporters. And when they couldn’t find any evidence of it by his campaign, they made it up: he said “periodically” (are you kidding me?); he gave her the finger, he played “99 Problems” (but a b—- ain’t one) at a campaign rally (which must be the ultimate in dog whistles since no one can actually provide evidence of this) etc. But they not only IGNORED her race baiting (to be kind) statements, they ignored her when she was just straight asshole-ish, i.e. “do you need pillows?” and lying about his pro-choice stance (showing that they care more about Hillary than choice which is unacceptable)
Don’t even get me started with Steinem (yeah, let me know when she or her mother ever had to count the number of bubbles on a bar of soap like my MIL had to when attempting to vote) and the vile Ferraro who conveniently tried to take down Obama using the same language she used against Rev. Jesse Jackson 20 years ago.
I’m sure it was a coincidence.
Or come up with the fiction that somehow, someone who is worth $109M, was handed a Senate seat and a political machine is somehow oppressed and somehow (even richer) had the nomination stolen from her. What the fuck ever. “Stolen” implies ownership. I’m sorry that it was an actual competition. And she lost.
As the Clintons have said themselves in other contests…”Nothing personal. It’s just politics.”
Which gets back to the suspicion that I have of the “bow down to get my vote crowd”: Obama learned the rules. Followed the rules. And somehow, that’s not good enough? Eyed with suspicion?
Now where have I seen that before?
Clearly, I feel very foolish because for all these years, I thought the women’s movement spoke for me. Ha! I am duly chastened and will clearly have to be more mindful and discerning. I just hate looking foolish.
And here’s another thing: I am tired of being criticized for being passionate about a presidential candidate, esp. one Not. Named. Clinton. What, is there a law? WTH is so wrong with inspiration?? Can I just be flippin’ inspired–for once??? This is the first time that someone I was passionate about won a nomination.
Is he perfect? Unless his name is Mr. AP, then he doesn’t even come close.
But my evaluation is that he is more progressive than our other candidates and more effective (maybe with the exception of John Kerry, who is flippin’ outstanding on the stump–for Barack Obama. It’s almost painful to watch because the man on the trail now is one that may have won then). And given that he started his entire operation from scratch 16 months ago, and has led it well, I am more than confident in his leadership skills.
There will be positions that I won’t agree with him on, but pragmatically, he can’t be “perfect” and be taken “seriously,” especially after a steady 30-year diet of right-wing speech, worldview and values.
But it is a start. We have to start somewhere–and I choose to start with electing President Barack Obama.
I’ve worked with people for common purpose even if I didn’t support, agree with or vote for the candidate. Some of her die-hards plainly believe that they are too good for that.
There’s a lot of upside to an Obama Administration, including the SC, federal courts–heck, he can strike the Mexico City policy (a.k.a. the “global gag rule”) the next day by Exec. Order. That’s just the beginning! I don’t know why that’s not exciting and hopeful, for women here and also around the world. I really want people to examine their attitudes and what we all have to gain–or lose more of–in the aftermath of this election. In spite of it all, I want to work in common cause and with common purpose.
But know this: We will win this thing with or without them.
Update [2008-6-15 9:56:23 by AP]: I forgot to define the Mexico City language/policy: Also known as the global gag rule, it denies federal funding to NGOs that provide or even discuss abortion. The link is provided above.
The global gag rule can be rescinded by Executive Order as soon as Obama walks through the door at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Update [2008-6-15 9:56:23 by AP]: I’m not sure why I don’t see the link, but click here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Policy] to learn more about it.
Update [2008-6-15 10:22:45 by AP]: I just fixed the link. Bad coding on my part. Sorry about that. Clearly, I am out of practice!
But I just had to get this out. Sorry it is so long. Believe it or not, I did go back and edit and remembered to add links. But I hope to bury this after today.
Because we won, now we have no choice but to win.
Yup. Damn skippy.
Exceptional diary AP.
Kudos. Just exceptional.
I’ll leave it there.
a 4 is inadequate.
I agree, great diary AP.
Well, you may not be entirely satisfied with your essay, but I very much appreciate your effort. What you describe is very much my perception as well with regards to what has transpired.
Obama ran a very clean primary and there is no equivalence between her campaign’s racism and his campaign’s ‘misogyny’. Others may have expressed sexism, but I did not see that as driven from the campaign.
I agree that he is the most progressive candidate, but he will inevitably be forced to take pragmatic positions. If the down ticket race goes as Booman predicts (ie, a Democratic landslide) then the amount of camel chow to be eaten should be bearable.
Yup.
And thank you!
I love it AP, thanks.
On editing – we always see what’s supposed to be there instead of the real thing, because we already know how it is.
You better believe we all put the word ‘win’ into your last sentence for you.
Thank you, and thanks for the catch. I was sleepy at the end of it! 🙂
I also added a link about the global gag rule. Can’t believe I’d leave that out.
Your link is not working for me. It could just be me – I’m old, slow and often confused.
Could you please contact me at myballerina at plantationcable.net, I’d like to ask for your advice in an activist project I’m working on.
most rational and poignant diaries I have ever read here. I do feel that this primary was set up to be very divisive and you can bet your sweet ass the general will be even more so.
For me, Obama is this generations JFK/RFK. It is high time we had a candidate that is cool, calm and collected. One that doesn’t need to use threats or dirty tricks or negative campaigning of any kind. One that stays focused on why he is really there and checked his ego at the door. One that has integrity and hope and all kinds of cool. This is what I have been waiting for for 40 years. And I don’t give a rats ass what color his skin is.
Thanks so much AP for your honesty and great words. You are a star in my book.
Is a shorthand, too. It means that the candidate (Barack Obama, in this case) hasn’t been “beaten in” to the Washington gang. He hasn’t been so compromised by big campaign contributions from lobbyists and PACS that they can completely predict what he’d do.
In the minds of gang members, the induction (beating in) is an assurance that the new gang member will tow the line. From that standpoint, Obama is inexperienced and not qualified yet. Until he had been forced to violate his principles for campaign qualifications, they certainly couldn’t trust him.
Hi AP :o)
I’ve just now had a chance to skim over your diary, but have to run out for a while so I can’t make any informed response, even if a response is needed :o)
But I will thank you for your kind words up top. There are still a few people in my world whose integrity by far overcomes any disagreements we might have between us. You occupy space in my world :o)
And really, wherever we might see things differently it surely would never be an obstacle to continueing to feel about you the way I’ve always felt about you. And those feelings begin and end with respect.
Hi super. AP’s quote was of yours was welcome. I’ve been reading but not posting concerning Kucinch/Obama and McKinney. I’d write something then delete it.
I don’t know about anyone else but that quote seems to sum up exactly how I feel and could never have put into words myself that thoughtfully and eloquently.
I went so far as to go get a Green Party registration card awhile ago but haven’t been able to make myself fill it out or make a clean break from the democratic party. At this point you could say I’ve become a qualified Obama supporter-I’d like to ‘hope’ but I go back to his senate record(nothing wrong with it just not kucinich enough for me)and I wonder. And here we go with that qualifier-anyone who knows me in real life(and hopefully here)wouldn’t accuse me of being an Obama hater(or racist)simply because I have reservations about him and how I feel. I keep hoping that this campaign has given him a chance to see the country, to grow in himself and form more progressive ideas when or if elected. Not discounting the real racists out there I think he does have the ability-so rare-to really unify the country for the better. To change things but as Obama has said to change the mindset itself about way we see things in this country.
I keep going back to C.McKinney myself and it does seem she will get the Green Party nod for nomination.
Don’t know what quote you mean, but I’ll take your word for it :o)…and thanks I guess LOL!
I want to be straight you know…that I really didn’t mean to imply that people on this blog were guilty of calling sceptics haters. That particular reaction…I’ve only seen here once and I’m not sure it was meant for me directly but in a vague, round about way for anyone not fully behind him. Obviously that’s no way to address a person who has questions about his readiness and so on. It certainly won’t win over any converts, that’s for sure.
I’ve had my problems with this blog. Some of those problems I was guilty of creating. But for a quote, unquote democratic blog most people here are pretty open minded toward people like me who can’t support democrats anymore, particularly presidential candidates.
Going third party has it’s drawbacks you know, because the reality is that no third party will have much of an impact anytime soon. But when you get as frustrated as I am with democrats it really doesn’t make sense, at least it doesn’t to me, to keep on going back for more punishment. With McKinney at least I know she won’t hold anything back. She never has. That’s what I like best about her. She gets straight to the heart of the problems. She points out inconvenient truths that for whatever reason democrats consistantly fail to do. I’m so sick of being lied to. So sick of mealy mouthed bullshit. I want a fighter. If she’s nothing else, she’s a fighter.
No worries, there. It’s just that by the time I finished typing and hit “preview” I realized I typed a diary-long response!
But I do I hope I answered everything. The Dems could use your help (shameless plug) but I absolutely respect why you can’t right now. When there have been too many broken promises, it begins to become a hot stove–you’re not about to burn your hand again.
I also had to take a breather from my local Dem group, and folks are still wondering where I’ve been. It wasn’t the group, but the gutless wonders who comprise our local elected officials. (((Sigh.))) Their mendacity and idiocy was assault on my sanity.
Anyway…
I also hope you had a fantastic Father’s Day. We went home last weekend because we have our family reunion coming up in less than a week, so I know I’ll see him in a few days.
I’ll check back in later. Mwah!!!! 🙂
Hi,
you know, Fathers Day actually sucked this year :o/
My Uncle who still lives with me is disabled with emphysema, among other things. We do our best to take care of him but he’s not been taking care of himself lately. He’s eating less and less and seems to be getting weaker at an accelerated pace these last few months. He’s a young man really. In his mid 50’s. But I swear he looks like 70. I know he’s depressed about his situation. And I’m stretched to the limit just taking care of my own family by myself. Not that he’s neglected in any way. He has the essential things he needs, so I don’t understand the rapid decline.
Anyway, I guess he finally caught what I’ve had for almost two weeks now, a respiratory infection. Add that to emphysema and it’s no wonder he was having such a hard time breathing that we went ahead and called an ambulance for him this evening. They’re keeping him for tests tomorrow and I’m hoping to get a chance to talk with the social worker there tomorrow because I think he needs care that we can no longer provide. He has full medical coverage and I’m hoping, maybe in vain, that some other arrangement might be found that would benefit him more and at the same time remove a burden that I’m no longer able to bear. That might sound cold. I hope it doesn’t. But he was here for what I thought was a temporary stay with my Father when my Father passed away, almost three years ago now. I’ve sort of inherited him…and the problems that go along with caring for him. I’m more or less supporting him. A grown man. I haven’t known what to do. What can you do? You just get by the best you can and sort of go with the flow, waiting for however it’s going to shake out to go ahead and shake out. Maybe this is the time.
Then there’s the kids :o) They all went their own ways today. I guess that’s normal when they’re almost grown up. Things change, but I haven’t changed! LOL
What are ya gonna do? :o)
Whew!
How’s that for getting things off my chest?! :o)
So…I’m not sure where my question from yesterday, which I saw more as a statement of how I see some things fits in much with what you’ve written here. maybe what I said provided a good place for you to get some things that have been eating at you off your chest. That’s cool. As a third party supporter I’ve tried hard and done my share of failing, to remain somewhat neutral when talking with supporters of Obama and Clinton or trying to point out things that bother me or even just asking questions about their positions on different things. I think that I may come off as partial to Clinton sometimes for different reasons. One could be that I comment here on this blog most of the time and this being an obvious Obama blog chances are I’ll be exchanging ideas with his supporters. Another reason I think is that, and this is something I need to look at, I’ve felt protective of her from time to time when I’ve seen attacks on her that aren’t limited to her politics. I’m a bit of a throwback I guess in that I’m quicker to jump to the defense of a woman when I see her being unfairly attacked because I was brought up to think that women were somehow less able to defend themselves. I know, the intentions might be good, but the result is sexist. It’s obvious that she can defend herself just fine. But still I’ve felt bad from time to time seeing some of the things said about her and more than that, the level to which some people take the attacks. And that has happened here. And a lot of it has seemed unfair. A lot of it is unfair. Now remember, I’m no political supporter of hers. I just think that attacks on her should be limited to the facts about her shortcomings and her failures and unfitness to be president. Certainly any instance where racism has been used by her campaign should be and was vigorously attacked. As it should be if it comes from Obama’ss campaign. What Jesse Jackson Jr. implied after New Hampshire stands out here to me.
I think though that she’s accomplished a lot of good things in her life. But I, like so many here, am sick of the Clinton culture as well. I just don’t think she’s a ghoul. Nor do I think that she deserves to be treated as if she’s a leper. The declarations I’ve seen, even here, to not only defeat her in the primary but to utterely grind her into the dirt and banish her from the human race disturb me. It reminds me that a lot of people aren’t really focused on, or forgetting about the rest of the real ghoulish shit that’s happening all around us. Stuff that’s the result of the complacency of a lot of democrats, not just Clinton. And that includes Barack Obama. He’s not stood against one war funding bill since he’s been in the Senate, so far as I know. I want to know why.
So, because I’ve engaged more with Obama supporters just as a fact of the environments I’ve been in it’s the reactions from those people that are foremost in my mind. I haven’t really posted on any so called “Hillary Blogs” so I can’t really talk too much about the way her supporters react to honest questions. I have seen though some of the ugliness on some of those blogs, and it’s just as disturbing, more so even, as what I’ve mainly experienced. As far as I’m concerned, it’s ugly all over. Just depends on where you look.
Btw, there is and end to this comment, eventually! :o)
This brings me to what I thought my comment to you yesterday was about, from my perspective, taking everything I’ve just said above about different environments into account. This really uncomfortable trepidation I’ve felt whenever I’ve made comments critical about Obama. Much of this feeling I have comes from so much stuff that I’ve read on other sites and kind of incorporated into my field manual for how to engage his supporters and what to expect. But even if I haven’t directly experienced much of it, the effect of what I’ve seen at other places, in a wide enough and frequent enough way has had a chilling effect on my willingness to get too deep into criticism of him. Like I said in yesterday’s comment, some of it might be my own bad perceptions and to be really honest I won’t discount the possibility that I could be projecting some still embedded from my childhood racist misgivings of my own into that environment. But I’m trying really hard to be rigorous and reflective enough to be able to make the distinction. All I can do there is to keep my eyes and ears open. To listen carefully if a friend, like you, points out issues and behaviors that might not be as initially visable to me as they are to you/them. Lots of us still have a lot of work to do and I’m no different.
The only other thing I want to say is that I’m hoping that more of his supporters will heed his call to take the discourse to a higher level. Clinton is out now. She doesn’t count anymore in the equation. But more ugly shit is on the way for sure, and it’s likely to be worse than what’s been seen so far.
I wish none of these talks were necesarry because
I really do want to buy the world a coke! LOL :o)
I’ll confess right up front that I’m not in the mood to discuss politics, but your first couple paragraphs about your uncle and his illness got my attention.
My mother, a rather disagreeable woman who never quite warmed up to me, is at what I can only assume to be the end of her life with emphysema, COPD, whatever they are calling it these days, after sixty years of smoking. Since I am the lone out-of-town sibling, all of her care has fallen on my siblings, my sisters to be precise because my lone brother somehow manages to avoid these kinds of things. From what I hear it is very difficult, frustrating, stinky, thankless work driving her around to her various appointments, relaying medical information to several different doctors/clinics, making sure she understands instructions, laying out her meds each day, helping her with personal care, keeping her condo clean etc., all while she shows no actual warmth and very little appreciation.
And I am so damn glad to be 600 miles away and missing out on all of it. I feel guilty for that sense of relief, but it is unquestionably there. I thought I’d feel sadness, and I’m sure I will when she’s gone, but so far it’s just pure relief.
So I admire like hell your devotion to your uncle, who did not give birth to you, and who you seem to have taken very good care of to this point. And now may be the time to turn over that care to those who are better able to handle his increasing medical and personal needs. Focus on those kids who are quickly to leave the nest.
I’m sure everything will come to a conclusion soon enough. I can’t bail on the guy, so I have to make the best of it.
In the mean time I have to focus on what’s important. And that is to continue building this 20 ft. fence around the nest so the munchkins can never get away! Hang on!! I see one trying to go over the fence right now!!! LoL! :o)
I love to see something that seems truly from the heart and this one fits that space for me. Thanks, AP!
Great Diary AP. I always thought the experience argument was actually on Obama’s side because the more you work in this town, the more beholden you become to special interests and party leaders. Therefore, the less time Obama has had in DC is actually a strength.
Huffpost sees smoke signals that harbors controversy.
Obama brings Solis Doyle into his camp
oiy, oink.